My Morning Jacket

ok, I couldn't go, so make me feel like I was there.  How did it all go down?

I'll start.  I've seen MMJ 8-10 times in Louisville, and this was by far my least favorite show.  The music was alright, although the setlist included most of my least-favorite MMJ songs.  Oh, well...

First disappointment - from where I was sitting off to the side - for a good portion of the show, the sound reminded me of listening to a cassette in a cheap car stereo and turning up the volume as loud as it can go - really muddy and distorted.  It was probably due to the acoustics of the venue.  Also, what's with the excessive use of the strobe lights aimed at the audience?  Combined with all the smoke, it just gave me a headache.

Biggest disappointment for me - smoking!  It's a non-smoking venue.  I confirmed this with the security guards.  There is no ventilation system as far as I could tell.  (The venue probably should have done more to convey this to the people at the concert.)  But, people were smoking EVERYWHERE - it was like a smoke-filled bar.  And security did absolutely nothing about it.

When I bought tickets for myself and my 8-months-pregnant wife, I assumed people would follow the rules and not smoke in a non-smoking venue.  When you go to see a symphony (in a non-smoking venue), you take it for granted that people won't be smoking.  Why should this be any different?  So, I'm sitting in seats way off to the side, next to my very obviously pregnant wife, with 2 kids behind me (roughly 10 years old) with their Mom.  No less than 3 people sat down right next to us and started smoking!  If you're not going to follow the no-smoking rule, at least don't sit down right next to a pregnant lady and 2 young kids.

The smoke got really bad, so we left after about an hour of MMJ's set.  So, overall, I was disappointed with the show, but not because of the music.

My first time seeing Wax Fang - I was impressed and would see them again.

OK, I'm done with my venting. I'm sure I sound like a cranky old man.  I hope everyone else enjoyed the show more than I did.

-Scott

sorry to hear you had a disappointing gig... that's so crap that the smoke made you & your wife leave early scott, i've been in similar situations and it can get unbearable. even crapper that it was supposed to be smoke-free... particularly bad for your wife too!

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I'm sure I sound like a cranky old man.

yes, you do.

QuoteNo less than 3 people sat down right next to us and started smoking!  If you're not going to follow the no-smoking rule, at least don't sit down right next to a pregnant lady and 2 young kids.

Honestly, you should have said, "Excuse me, but my wife is pregnant and you're smoking right next to her.  Do you mind?"

Holy crap, you can go see a rock and roll show at a non smoking venue?  I had no idea.

There was a lot of smoke, but I must say, from the floor the show was absolutely fantastic. Run Thru was the standout of the night for me, though Magheeta (my No. 1  MMJ song) gave it a solid run for its money.

For some reason every time I'm at a GA concert I end up next to an incredibly loud and obnoxious group of high school kids. They were gone by Wordless Chorus (which was just a lot of fun) and not a big deal.

Great show. Good enough to join this message board just to say how good it was.

This was my fourth time seeing the Jacket, and I have to say it was the best. The venue wasn't great but I got their early and was in the second row. They came out behind a white sheet that covered the entire stage and played the intro to OBH, when the song kicked in the curtain dropped and they were already rockin out. It was nuts! I look in front of me and the fellas are just going at it and Jim has on these ridiculously awesome skeleton boots!!! I look behind me and their are 25 beach-balls, some shaped like sea creatures bouncing around. It was a great atmosphere from the front. The setlist was pretty jamming, and Dancefloors was by far my highlight. I thought Carl might loose his mind during that song.  Although, Phone Went West sounded great too. Dahhhh I still cant hear anything out of my left ear and I can't speak, but I could care less. It was a great show. They had amazing energy tonight. To top of my great concert event, I caught one of Carl's picks at the end, which has the monkey logo and his signature printed on it. Ahhh, sorry for the long post, I just am still on a high. Bottom line, it rocked...alot!

QuoteHoly crap, you can go see a rock and roll show at a non smoking venue?  I had no idea.

The NorVa in Norfolk, VA is non-smoking, all ages. We saw kings of Leon there, very cool.

"Honestly, you should have said, "Excuse me, but my wife is pregnant and you're smoking right next to her.  Do you mind?""

I did ask them politely, and they all stopped smoking.  I just thought it was surprising that you'd sit down next to a pregnant lady and 2 young kids in a non-smoking venue and then start smoking.

"Holy crap, you can go see a rock and roll show at a non smoking venue?  I had no idea."

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic...?  Aside from a bar, what indoor venues hold rock concerts and allow smoking?  If the venue isn't ventilated, doesn't offer ash trays, and isn't even allowed to allow smoking, why would people be allowed to smoke?

Regarding the sound - I'm sure it was better up front, and the beach balls and giant curtain looked pretty cool.  

The smoke was a real issue.  I'm not a wuss about such things,  but I'm pretty sure I experienced the equivalent of smoking a pack last night.  I ended up almost passing out - I had to drag myself out of the arena during Dancefloors to keep from falling down.  (Granted, the alcohol and whatnot didn't help, but I've never had a problem with any of that before - only tobacco)

As for the strobe lights, I thought they were amazing.  I had this flashback to being a kid at Showbiz pizza, and they had this room where kids could dance around under a strobe light, tripping naturally.

Wax Fang is great.

Nashville to Kentucky was the highlight for me - it was beautiful - full band.

QuoteHoly crap, you can go see a rock and roll show at a non smoking venue?  I had no idea.

Sat. night is gonna' be non-smoking.   :D

The show was awesome, though the smoke was quite unbearable... too many little kids smoking bad weed every other song. I had to step out on the last few songs as it was difficult to breath. A positive to that though is that I got to meet Scott and Jake of Wax Fang. I bought a cd and they signed it for me. Great guys and I look forward to seeing them again.

I opted not to take my slr camera because of size and so kids wouldn't throw up on it and took our point and shoot canon, I paid for that mistake. Not too many salvagable shots but here's a few of the opening OBH...

Opening of One Big Holiday from behind the curtain...
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when the curtain fell...
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The Curtain FALLS?!?!?!

Oh man, I would have nutted myself if I got to see that.

That sucks about the smoke though, you guys.  And as for getting stuck next to obnoxious high school kids, I totally hear you on that.  When I saw shows during high school, I hated those kids (from my own generation, how embarrasing!!) who would just talk through the whole thing and do stupid shit.  Dorks.

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So what's the green stuff below Patrick's bass drum?

It was great to see them play and give so many the opportunity to see them play, but the venue itself sucks.  Not an intimate feel and not friendly to sound.  I would rather see them play the palace.  Southgate House/Bogart's up in Cincy would be awesome as well

Their performance was awesome though.  Amazing energy and played for a little over 2 hrs.  Some of the saxophone portions played out really well

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So what's the green stuff below Patrick's bass drum?

Fake grass, the stage was decked out with plants and rocks and the bear in a red suit as well as carosel horses... and they threw blew up animals like octopuses and crabs and owls out in the audience. I grabbed a deflated owl on the way out. I'll take a picture of it later if need be.
Off to turkey day!
Everyone have a great Holiday!

I guess it's just because backwoods Missouri is a bit behind the times, but every show I have ever been too has been thick with smoke, and since I quit 5 years ago (this january ;)) I have had to leave my clothes in the garage when I get home becuase they stink so bad.  I feel your pain, I just am surprised that anybody is surprised.   Sounds like maybe it was worse than normal though.

On a seperate note, what about the squalis puppets.  Did they make an appearance?

QuoteSounds like maybe it was worse than normal though.

On a seperate note, what about the squalis puppets.  Did they make an appearance?

Yeah, when I say I nearly passed out, I mean it.  I couldn't see and I barely made it to the edge of the crowd and pulled myself along the railings to get out of there.  I don't know if I'm allergic to tobacco or what, but it was bad.

The Squallis puppeteers were there dancing before the show, and the 21 santas, too.  The puppets disappeared when the show started, but the Santas remained interspersed throughout the crowd.  One or two made an appearance playing in the horn section for a couple of Wax Fang songs - incl. a cover of 'Stand by Me,' which also featured Jim on guitar and 2 violins

I was at the Gardens last night. As always, I thought it was a great concert. Nashville to Kentucky and Lay Low were my two personal favorites on the night. I fully understand the complaints about the smoking. I actually smoke and I could barely stand all the smoking going on in the building. I do my best to keep it at a minimum during shows out of respect for others.

We had a Jim James sighting before we even got to the show. We parked right in front of the Gardens and walked to 4th Street Live to get some beers. As we were heading down the sidewalk I looked up and there was Jim just walking down the street by himself. Unfortunately, he wasn't wearing those crazy KISS boots yet.

Overall, it was a great show but because of the venue it was not as good as last year's show at The Palace.

I loved the show. It was a great experience. The smoke did get to me, but I didn't let it get in the way of my experience!

Wordless Chorus and Dancefloor were probably my two favorites of the night.

Meat & Gravy :
http://leonewsblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/mmj-giblets-gravy-and-lots-of-meat.html

Grilled Turkey:
http://www.leovia.com/?q=node/3206&PHPSESSID=8079a50afdb18726c0b8aba70e0936dd

the show was amazing
the smoke wasnt an issue, if youve been going to any shows for any length of time. It amazes me that people..a)complain about things like that at a general admission show
b)forget that there are GINORMOUS smoke machines bellowing out clouds for hours, too

personally, nothing short of an anvil dropped on my head couldve interupted my bliss last night.

my girlfriend and I were about 12 feet from the stage...right center, and the sound was pretty good, considering that Louisville Gardens is def NOT an acoustic-friendly venue.

opening with One Big Holiday was great.
to me...that and Gideon were high points.
but, and maybe it's just me, when I'm swept up in that energy and soulstorm, there is no 'less good'.....
 there is only 'more incredible'

some drunk girl tried to pick a fight with me about halfway through the set because I was 'too close' to her. she pushed me and hit me in the stomach, even though at the time I was standing behind my girlfriend with my arms around her.
I told  her that that was an unfriendly way to make an introduction, and that 'you should smile, we ALL have more fun when we smile'. 20 minutes later, she apologized and her and her boyfriend smoked a kind fatty with me.
Now THAT'S fucking teamwork

I'm so proud of these boys.
I used to go see them play when less than 100 people were in the club.
with the love they put into their art, they deserve all the success in the world.

it will ALWAYS move

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personally, nothing short of an anvil dropped on my head couldve interupted my bliss last night.

Now that's the spirit!  Thank you!

Yeah, I love the way you handled the drunk girl situation..........some of us need to get together and teach a class on concert behavior 101.  

Lesson 1.  RELAX!!!!!!!!!

You're here to have fun and enjoy the music.  If someone tries to give you some lip.....smile and say something nice.  If someone is right next to you is talking during the begining of Don Dante..........simply ask them "Exscuse me, but would you kindly SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!  and remember smile while you say it.  :D (ok, mabey we need to work on that one)

On the subject of asking people to kindly shut the fuck up just check out Jeff Tweedy's dvd "Sunken Treassure"  he has a monolouge right before he does "Is That The Thanks I Get"  that pretty much says it all.  You would LOVE it Tracy!!!

"the smoke wasnt an issue, if youve been going to any shows for any length of time."

I disagree.  Apparently, you're a smoker, so smoke might not bother you much.  My wife and I left early as a result of it.  Smoke bothers me, it made another poster almost pass out, and it is quite harmful to my pregnant wife and soon-to-be-born son.

"It amazes me that people..a)complain about things like that at a general admission show"

I think you missed my point.  General admission has nothing to do with it.  Would it "amaze" you if people complained about someone smoking in a non-smoking movie theater?  Or the non-smoking section of a restaurant?  The point is that this was a non-smoking venue.

I've been to many shows in bars that allow smoking.  When I decide to go to such a show, I know ahead of time that I will be exposed to second-hand smoke.  It is my choice to attend such a show.  This was a non-smoking show.  Thus, I think it's quite reasonable for me to assume that it will be smoke-free, and you should not have the option of smoking there, whether it be a cigarette or a "kind fatty."  

Just as I make a choice to attend a "smoking" show at a bar as a non-smoker, you make a choice to attend a "non-smoking" show as a smoker.

Second-hand smoke is especially bad for people with asthma, pregnant women, babies, children, etc.  These people know that there will be smoking at a show in a bar that allows smoking.  So, they don't attend such shows.  Should these people avoid all events at non-smoking venues, because others might want to break the rules and smoke there?

"b)forget that there are GINORMOUS smoke machines bellowing out clouds for hours, too"

I'm pretty sure that smoke is non-carcinogenic.  It doesn't stink, it doesn't make my clothes stink, it doesn't make my eyes water, and it doesn't give anyone cancer.

"smoked a kind fatty with me"

So....how do you feel about all the asthmatic people, pregnant women, and children in attendance?

-Scott

I love Phone Went West, and they played that.  But Just One Thing and Run Thru were the highlights for me.  Just One Thing especially.  That song is so beautiful, even more so hearing Jim's "ahhhh ahhh ahhh ahhh" live.

Did anyone else see the MMJ-themed Maker's Mark ad?  I thought it was pretty cool.

(http://www.smugmug.com/photos/112412132-M.jpg)

Kory - as a fellow photographer, I think your pics came out great, considering they were taken with a point-and-shoot camera.  If you have any other good pics, you should post them in the gallery.  I took some pics with my rangefinder camera that I brought with me, but at first glance, they didn't come out too well.  If I can get some of them to look decent, I'll post them.

-Scott

Quote"the smoke wasnt an issue, if youve been going to any shows for any length of time."

I disagree.  Apparently, you're a smoker, so smoke might not bother you much.  My wife and I left early as a result of it.  Smoke bothers me, it made another poster almost pass out, and it is quite harmful to my pregnant wife and soon-to-be-born son.

"It amazes me that people..a)complain about things like that at a general admission show"

I think you missed my point.  General admission has nothing to do with it.  Would it "amaze" you if people complained about someone smoking in a non-smoking movie theater?  Or the non-smoking section of a restaurant?  The point is that this was a non-smoking venue.

I've been to many shows in bars that allow smoking.  When I decide to go to such a show, I know ahead of time that I will be exposed to second-hand smoke.  It is my choice to attend such a show.  This was a non-smoking show.  Thus, I think it's quite reasonable for me to assume that it will be smoke-free, and you should not have the option of smoking there, whether it be a cigarette or a "kind fatty."  

Just as I make a choice to attend a "smoking" show at a bar as a non-smoker, you make a choice to attend a "non-smoking" show as a smoker.

Second-hand smoke is especially bad for people with asthma, pregnant women, babies, children, etc.  These people know that there will be smoking at a show in a bar that allows smoking.  So, they don't attend such shows.  Should these people avoid all events at non-smoking venues, because others might want to break the rules and smoke there?

"b)forget that there are GINORMOUS smoke machines bellowing out clouds for hours, too"

I'm pretty sure that smoke is non-carcinogenic.  It doesn't stink, it doesn't make my clothes stink, it doesn't make my eyes water, and it doesn't give anyone cancer.

"smoked a kind fatty with me"

So....how do you feel about all the asthmatic people, pregnant women, and children in attendance?

-Scott

I',m sorry...I thought there was a band playing music.
I wasn't there to weigh pros and cons of cigarette smoke.
Lighten up.....or get bootleg live videos.
This was a concert. Certain things are and always will be expected and tolerated.
People like you are the reason the Dead stopped playing here when they did.

...always something to complain about, no matter how wonderful whats going on around them is.


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This was a concert. Certain things are and always will be expected and tolerated.

Music venues in Los Angeles are completely 100 percent smoke free. And I think that's the case in New York City too.
So no bro, certain things wont always be expected and tolerated.

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Music venues in Los Angeles are completely 100 percent smoke free. And I think that's the case in New York City too.
So no bro, certain things wont always be expected and tolerated.

this aint LA or NYC bro

we make cigarettes and bourbon

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QuoteI guess it's just because backwoods Missouri is a bit behind the times, but every show I have ever been too has been thick with smoke, and since I quit 5 years ago (this january ;)) I have had to leave my clothes in the garage when I get home becuase they stink so bad.

OK I HAVE to bust you out her BH. You told me you quit 3 years ago, remember cause I asked you about it when I saw you smoking :o ;D

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OK I HAVE to bust you out her BH. You told me you quit 3 years ago, remember cause I asked you about it when I saw you smoking :o ;D

Damn did I say three?  Well honestly, when I was writing on here I had time to think about it I came up with five years. Because I was going to quit if the Rams won Super Bowl 36 and then they actually made to the Super Bowl and lost so it was so close I had to quit anyway.  (My stupid reasoning was that if the Rams won, I would be so happy that I wouldn't need to smoke.  But obviously it backfired and I was twice as miserable.)  4 years 10 months to be more accurateTime flies.  Your sharp.  You should be an FBI agent. ;)

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 4 years 10 months to be more accurateTime flies.   ;)

Quit = discontinue, stop, cease, give up, quit, lay off
 ;D

I swear, that was probably about the 10th cigarette I've had in the last two years!

It's OK really, the cardinals just won :-/  you can smoke for a year and it won't count  ;)

okay, this was my first mmj show.  yeah, the venue SUCKED and people smoked like friggin freight trains.  but it rocked so hard, that stuff didn't matter.  my only complaint was that they didn't play bermuda highway, which is my personal fave.  other wise, a kick ass show.

what's with the excessive use of the strobe lights aimed at the audience?  Combined with all the smoke, it just gave me a headache.

people were smoking EVERYWHERE - it was like a smoke-filled bar

The smoke got really bad, so we left after about an hour of MMJ's set.

There was a lot of smoke

The smoke was a real issue...I ended up almost passing out

the smoke was quite unbearable

I could barely stand all the smoking going on in the building

Music venues in Los Angeles are completely 100 percent smoke free. And I think that's the case in New York City too.  
So no bro, certain things wont always be expected and tolerated.

 people smoked like friggin freight trains

Hey!! What the fuck ever happened to rock n' roll? There's no crying in rock n' roll!!

jjeeeezzz

Quotewhat's with the excessive use of the strobe lights aimed at the audience?  Combined with all the smoke, it just gave me a headache.

people were smoking EVERYWHERE - it was like a smoke-filled bar

The smoke got really bad, so we left after about an hour of MMJ's set.

There was a lot of smoke

The smoke was a real issue...I ended up almost passing out

the smoke was quite unbearable

I could barely stand all the smoking going on in the building

Music venues in Los Angeles are completely 100 percent smoke free. And I think that's the case in New York City too.  
So no bro, certain things wont always be expected and tolerated.

people smoked like friggin freight trains

Hey!! What the fuck ever happened to rock n' roll? There's no crying in rock n' roll!!

jjeeeezzz

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QuoteDid anyone else see the MMJ-themed Maker's Mark ad?  I thought it was pretty cool.

(http://www.smugmug.com/photos/112412132-M.jpg)

Kory - as a fellow photographer, I think your pics came out great, considering they were taken with a point-and-shoot camera.  If you have any other good pics, you should post them in the gallery.  I took some pics with my rangefinder camera that I brought with me, but at first glance, they didn't come out too well.  If I can get some of them to look decent, I'll post them.

-Scott

Yea, I saw those MM banners, I was impressed!
I've got a few more decent ones I'll send along to Riny but looking back I wish I had my Nikon with me.

hahahaha...
man i hate to burst bubbles, but strobe lights, smoke, loud noise... that's what makes it fun!!!!
and i'm pretty sure you can't "die" from second hand pot smoke!!!  but you can get "sorta high" for free!!!!
but seriously... no 2 hours of a rock show is going to kill even the most asthmatic folks out there!!  period!!
if you see 1 show a month, you'd never kill yourself cause you went to shows.... i think smoking is an essential part to rock n roll... like it or not, the rock n roll attitude has always been a "live in the moment, worry about consequences later" sort of thing... i know it's not the best way to live day to day life, but it's great for escaping... and thats why we go to shows... to escape!!!  i'm a quitting smoker, but i say, "SMOKE EM IF YOU GOT EM!!"
none of this was meant to be rude by the way.

That MM banner is Just Scary!!!!!!!  Also, I was starting to wonder if MMJ even played last night............and the Cardinals winning the World Series adds another ten years on to all their fans lives (period)

this show was amazing.  the stage, sound, and general feel was killer.  the band sounds tighter and more polished than ever.

granted, the Gardens is a venue stuck in 1978 and always will be, but that's part of the charm, no?

to all the people crying about the smoking-Jesus!  Fuckin' A.  Jesus man, would you take your pregnant wife and children to Headliner's?  No??  Why not?  

Your favorite band is playing in our hometown and there's always someone to complain endlessly about some detail they didn't like.  A song that wasn't played.  Some asshole talked too loud.  People were smoking weed.  BFD.

This was by far the least smoky show in a long time.  The Gardens is huge and big enough to handle the crowds of the past where EVERYONE was smoking.  

On a personal note, those damn bartenders should have advertised they were selling doubles...DAMN.  I was so fucking drunk by the middle of the show...oh so very drunk and still hungover...apologies to Jeremy and Tony and Mrs. Antoniostrohs for my drunken blatherings....

GREAT fucking show.  One of my favorites.

Okay, sorry guys.  Next time I lose vision and end up stumbling to the first aid tent at a show I won't 'cry'.  Sorry I'm such a pussy.

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MUSIC REVIEW
One big holiday show from hometown band
By Marty Rosen
Special to The Courier-Journal


By Marty Rosen
Special to The Courier-Journal



The Squallis Puppeteers loomed large at the My Morning Jacket Thanksgiving Eve concert at the Louisville Gardens on Wednesday night. As they bobbed through the crowd, drums banged, trumpets screeched, and a couple of members of the Louisville band VHS or Beta served as deejays, spinning a celebratory mix of punk, pop and funk.

Wax Fang, another Louisville outfit, warmed up the crowd with richly layered guitar rock and dark, vivid lyrics -- "A heart is a bomb, sitting inside your chest," sang leader Scott Carney.

And then, after a herd of 21 Santas swarmed through the crowd, it was time for a triumphal homecoming for the headliners. Since 1999, when My Morning Jacket released its first CD, critics have likened the group to Neil Young, pegged it as a jam band and linked the guys to sources in southern rock and alt-country.

Such comparisons are fair enough, as far as they go. But after Wednesday night's performance (in support of the recently released live album and DVD "Okonokos"), descriptions seem utterly inadequate to describe the sheer power of what must be one of the best live rock bands in the world.

Visually, My Morning Jacket mixed DIY aesthetics with arena histrionics. At first, the members' backlit silhouettes were projected on a white scrim that billowed like a massive bedsheet.

Then, as it collapsed to the floor, leader Jim James opened with the exquisitely apt "One Big Holiday," with its inchoate vision of a rocker's life: "From this town we'd escape, if we holler loud and make our way."

Many of James' lyrics have an elusive, impressionistic sketchiness about them, like emotional shopping lists compiled in a dream; others have an edgy prophetic force that mixes surreal images with exhortations as personal as they are political ("Gideon").

He delivers them in a voice that encompasses a vast range of timbres, turning instantly from a thready, pensive baritone to a chilling falsetto war cry.

But in the end what makes My Morning Jacket a brilliant live band is the surgical rigor with which James, Carl Broemer (guitar, saxophone), Two-Tone Tommy (bass), Bo Koster (keyboards), and Patrick Hallahan (drums) stitch themselves into the musical fabric of their material.

On Wednesday night, their improvisational process sounded more like Beethoven than the Grateful Dead. Time after time, over the course of a generous two-hour show, they took a minuscule motif – two notes here, an angular rhythmic figure there -- and from these tiny materials they constructed vividly detailed, sharply elaborated sonic structures that roared, sobbed and satisfied.

The bartenders were selling doubles !?  Good lord, I could have been drunker. I was done with my beer by the time I got back to my seat. I thought bartenders knew that people who drink beer like to drink lots of it. Oh well.

Wednesday night was fucking great. I live in Louisville and have for all of my 36 years. Louisville Gardens is hollowed ground for more rock shows than you can imagine. I started going to shows when I was six. The Gardens make up a pretty decent portion of the greatest shows I've seen. I've been to 250-300 shows at the Gardens, and roughly 1400 shows in the last 30 years. I guess thats about one a week. When I was a kid, it seemed there was a show at the Gardens every day. With that said, the venue is a dump. It's always been a dump, but it's our dump, and many wouldn't trade those memories for a new swanky downtown arena.

Okay, now the smoking nonsense. All of you PC cock jockies need to lighten up. If you don't like smoke then don't go. It IS that simple. I don't go to McDonalds and then bitch becasue it wasn't as good as a filet. We are talking about rock and roll. Smoking and drinking go hand in hand. The problem with the non smoking zealots who are taking away our freedoms is that while it's okay to get blitzed out of your mind at the show, and drive home, you can't smoke a few during the show. It's okay to hurt someone else, but we won't let you hurt yourself. It's asinine. BTW, I'm not even a smoker. I'm just someone who likes his rock and roll dirty. If some of you think Wednesday night was bad smoke wise, then you've never been anywhere in this town to see a show.
This is rock and roll to it's very core. If you don't like it, then get the fuck out of Louisville, we're just fine without you. This is how we do things. Bourbon, broads, music and nicotine. It's what we are, and that's the way we like things. The best thing about Louisville is the lack of pretentiousness among most of the people. You don't get that feeling in most other cities. Leave us alone, and we'll leave you alone, and most of the time we can all get along.

It is so cool that MMJ represents this wonderful city so well. They were incredible. Dancefloors rocked like a California earthquake, and Golden was bittersweet. I missed not hearing Bermuda and Heartbreaking, but geez, how many can they play right? It was a great show all the way around, and the people I brought were blown away. I met a ton of people from out of town, and they couldn't seem to be having a better time. The people on this board who say the show was lacking in any measure have no idea what it means to enjoy a good ass kicking concert.

Sorry to vent, but some people just grate.

"This was a concert. Certain things are and always will be expected and tolerated."

I'll decide what I want to expect and tolerate.  As I said before, I think it's quite reasonable of me to expect a smoke-free environment at a non-smoking show.  I don't think I should have to tolerate smoking at a non-smoking show.  (A "smoking" show is a whole different issue.  But, this was a non-smoking venue.  I don't care if they allowed smoking in the past at concerts at Louisville Gardens.  They don't now.)

"People like you are the reason the Dead stopped playing here when they did."

Um, OK...?  Because we all know how the Dead were firm supporters of smoking in non-smoking areas....?  I don't get it.

"this aint LA or NYC bro
 we make cigarettes and bourbon"

Right, this isn't LA or NYC.  It's Louisville, and Louisville has a smoking ban that currently includes Louisville Gardens.  And Louisville just passed a comprehensive smoking ban that will soon include all bars and other such places.  So, Louisville is quite similar to LA and NYC in this regard.

"man i hate to burst bubbles, but strobe lights, smoke, loud noise... that's what makes it fun!!!!"

No one complained about loud noise.  I complained about strobe lights, because it's just not my thing – I wasn't trying to say they shouldn't have them – I was just saying I don't particularly enjoy them.  

I disagree with you that smoke "makes it fun," and I know a lot of people who would agree with me.

"and i'm pretty sure you can't "die" from second hand pot smoke!!!  but you can get "sorta high" for free!!!!"

I guess some of your post was in jest, because you can't seriously think that secondhand pot smoke is a positive thing for others.  Do whatever you want in your own home, in your car, outside, etc, but I don't want to unwillingly get "sorta high," and I don't want my pregnant wife to unwillingly get "sorta high" at a non-smoking venue.

"but seriously... no 2 hours of a rock show is going to kill even the most asthmatic folks out there!!  period!!
if you see 1 show a month, you'd never kill yourself cause you went to shows.... i think smoking is an essential part to rock n roll..."

I agree – secondhand smoke is very unlikely to kill me.  Drinking a glass of urine every month is also unlikely to kill me.  Just because something doesn't kill me doesn't mean I'm OK with it.  I never mentioned the possibility that I might die as one of the reasons I don't like to be around secondhand smoke.

"like it or not, the rock n roll attitude has always been a "live in the moment, worry about consequences later" sort of thing..."

This is totally fine if the consequences don't affect other people.  But, secondhand smoke DOES affect other people, even if it doesn't kill them.

"i'm a quitting smoker, but i say, "SMOKE EM IF YOU GOT EM!!"  
none of this was meant to be rude by the way."

I consider smoking in a non-smoking area to be rude.

"to all the people crying about the smoking-Jesus!  Fuckin' A.  Jesus man, would you take your pregnant wife and children to Headliner's?  No??  Why not?"

Did you read my previous post?  I don't think you get it.  No, I would not take my pregnant wife to a show at Headliner's, because it is currently a venue that allows smoking, and I know that in advance.  Louisville Gardens, on the other hand, is NOT a smoking venue.  So, I would take my pregnant wife there, based on the very reasonable assumption that people shouldn't smoke in non-smoking areas.

Would you light up a cigarette inside a grocery store, elementary school, or a clothing store?  No??  Why not?

"This was by far the least smoky show in a long time.  The Gardens is huge and big enough to handle the crowds of the past where EVERYONE was smoking."

I agree – this show was less smoky than a show in, say, Headliner's.  That is not the point.  I don't care how big Louisville Gardens is, or how it handles smoke.  It's currently a non-smoking venue.  Why can you not respect that?  It's very inconsiderate to smoke around non-smokers in a non-smoking area.

I'm glad you enjoyed the show and had a great time, but your smoking had a very real negative impact on my enjoyment of the show.

" If you don't like smoke then don't go. It IS that simple. I don't go to McDonalds and then bitch becasue it wasn't as good as a filet."

I don't see how this is relevant.  It's a non-smoking venue.  Would you call me a "PC cock jockey" if I "bitched" about someone smoking in a library?  

"The problem with the non smoking zealots who are taking away our freedoms is that while it's okay to get blitzed out of your mind at the show, and drive home, you can't smoke a few during the show. It's okay to hurt someone else, but we won't let you hurt yourself."

Who said drinking and driving is OK?  I am very much against drinking and driving, and I haven't heard anyone here try to justify it.  In what way is this an argument for allowing smoking in a non-smoking area?

-Scott

QuoteOkay, sorry guys.  Next time I lose vision and end up stumbling to the first aid tent at a show I won't 'cry'.  Sorry I'm such a pussy.

Oh wow it was that bad?  That almost sounds like nicotine poisoning!

And just for the record not every life time Louisvillian thinks Louisville Gardens is hallowed ground.  I think it sucks and I hope they play at The Louisville Palace next year :)

"I hope they play at The Louisville Palace next year"

Agreed.  I prefer the Palace as a venue, but I can (somewhat) appreciate the history behind the Gardens.  Although I'm too young to have attended shows there in the 70's or 80's, I saw Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, and some others there in the early 90's, and I have great memories of those shows.

"If you don't like it, then get the fuck out of Louisville, we're just fine without you. This is how we do things. Bourbon, broads, music and nicotine. It's what we are, and that's the way we like things."

Yikes!  I somehow missed that the first time I read this post...

Another "for the record" - not everyone in Louisville is the same, and not everyone in Louisville likes "bourbon, broads, music, and nicotine" (although I happen to like a few of those).  We're all different.  

I hope no one leaves Louisville.  Especially for a difference of opinion.  No one is right all the time, so I think having people with different views on different subjects is a positive thing.  

-Scott

I thought this thread was for reviews of the Louisville show? Maybe the smoking discusson should move to the American Lung Association forums.

Here's a few pics I took with the crappy camera on my phone. I took a ton of pics but not many turned out good at all.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38891830@N00/304606425/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38891830@N00/304370822/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38891830@N00/304370826/

In regard to the Makers Mark - One Big Holiday banners. I thought they were cool. In fact, I thought they were so cool that I drunkenly tried to bribe the girl behind the bar to give it to me. Needless to say, it didn't work.

They're doing fireworks now :o

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/38891830@N00/304370822/)

 8)

 "I assumed people would follow the rules and not smoke in a non-smoking venue."

Hello,  I am from Lexington and we are smoke-free.  However, there are such things as signs that were posted the NEXT day, every five feet in every building in the city.
I was surprised to see no "NO SMOKING" signs anywhere, and believe me I looked up, down, around, and upside down!  Did I ask A security guard if I could smoke, HELL NO!
They are usually the one's at outdoor shows that tell me to put it out.  So I might have been the first person to light up a cigarette and gave everyone else the idea.  One person in particular asked me if I was in the smoking "section".  I said "I guess"  So, my advice to whomever is disgusted with cigarette smoke is to  inform Louisville Gardens to put up signs or make one yourself and hold it up at the show like people do.  

great show, because I was able to smoke! and no one complained, to my face anyway!  Being from Lexington, I feel like a criminal when I find an indoor place to smoke.  Forgive me for taking advantage of Louisville Gardens' failure to notify out-of-towners about the current smoking regulations.

so let me get this straight; some people were bothered by the smoking?

Quoteso let me get this straight; some people were bothered by the smoking?

Ha. Ha.

And, in other news, someone needs to steal one of those Maker's banners for me asap.  ;D

Alright, lets quit the bickering about shit in the past and look at these pictures and (when it's done processing...) watch this video!

http://www.youtube.com/v/ptUk6CAdVxQ

Video Link...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptUk6CAdVxQ

My flickr site with photos of the show...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/koryjohnson/

I hate youtube... the sync of audio and video is not right after they convert it to their format. As well as the fact it looks like shit now...
Here's the original...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ko116e

hey kids...
not to KNOCK anyone here, but it's really funny there is a big argument on this board... i've been a part of many band boards, but this one is my favorite... sorry people can't get along sometimes...
i agree that it IS important for people to have a difference of opinion on subjects as well... but namecalling is sorta stupid.. (not that i'm calling anyone stupid :) )
anyways, sorry that the venue said "non-smoking", but i've been to TONS of "non-smoking" venues. there has been a LOT of smoking at each one... sorry to burst your bubble, but rawk n roll and smoking are gonna be hand in hand, REGARDLESS of the rules of the venue!!
sorry, but that's the way it is... personally i like it that way.

Quotehey kids...
not to KNOCK anyone here, but it's really funny there is a big argument on this board... i've been a part of many band boards, but this one is my favorite... sorry people can't get along sometimes...

Yeah.  I've enjoyed posting and reading posts here for the last several years.  I'm not sure why there's been so much shittiness lately, but  I don't really want to be a part of it anymore.  Guess I'm just not rock and roll enough.  

So goodbye to those of you who deserve it, and fuck off to those of you who deserve that.

seriously, who really gives a flyin shit about the smoke.  talk about the SHOW people!  the awesomeness of the band--that's what i wanna see people talkin about.

Loved it, they ran was my favorite.  did not care about smoking.  wished it woulda never ended.  wished he also stole the makers mark banner.

QuoteI hate youtube... the sync of audio and video is not right after they convert it to their format. As well as the fact it looks like shit now...
Here's the original...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ko116e

I know what you mean! Ck out my one and only youtube submission under bonnaroo lowdown which I think the video portion is decent but Jim's vocals are way out of synch. which makes it suck ass.

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Yeah.  I've enjoyed posting and reading posts here for the last several years.  I'm not sure why there's been so much shittiness lately, but  I don't really want to be a part of it anymore.  Guess I'm just not rock and roll enough.  

So goodbye to those of you who deserve it, and fuck off to those of you who deserve that.

PLEASE do not leave!  :'(  You have been a very important contributing member since I have joined and I have always enjoyed reading and respecting your submissions.

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Yeah.  I've enjoyed posting and reading posts here for the last several years.  I'm not sure why there's been so much shittiness lately, but  I don't really want to be a part of it anymore.  Guess I'm just not rock and roll enough.  

So goodbye to those of you who deserve it, and fuck off to those of you who deserve that.

there is no need to leave!  come on man, let's just put this to rest and move on.  agree to disagree and all that shit.  i think we have learned one thing.  louisville gardens definately needs to get a better ventalation system.   And I hope Scott sticks around as well.  How 'bout that Louisville Cardinal basketball team, huh?

Alright this is my first post long time fan.  To be honest I was slightly dissapointed with the show. This is my third Jacket show but my other two shows were Bonnaroo 05 and 06. I honestly dont think I will ever see a better show than Bonna 06.  This was my first Garden's show and I loved the venue. I loved the old style.

What I wanted to ask was.....How many people did you see pass out. 5 people passed out around me, (just dropped to the floor) two of them were in my friends group....I saw some other friends there later who said they also saw several people pass out. I have been to several concerts and seen several people pass out but not this many at one show...It kind of gave me bad vibes all night after my good friend passed out 5 minutes into Wax Fang.

Sorry to hear that - passed out from what? Heat? drugs? drunk? smoke?

I did see two people go down
but, in all honesty, they were both shithammered from one substance or another

okay, maybe my hungover ramblings were a bit much...

nobody should leave.

i agree to disagree on this topic.

it was a fucking A 1 right excellent show.

the broken blood vessels in my eyes make me look like i'm a crackhead...still have them since the show!

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Yeah.  I've enjoyed posting and reading posts here for the last several years.  I'm not sure why there's been so much shittiness lately, but  I don't really want to be a part of it anymore.  Guess I'm just not rock and roll enough.  

So goodbye to those of you who deserve it, and fuck off to those of you who deserve that.

is there a doctor in your house tonight?
if there's a wrong we can make it right
 ;)

lighten up
opinions will differ, its the way life works
but we , at the end of the day, all still have this beautiful thing in common

i hate to see scott go, but i know how that goes.  we'll miss ya!  Hope you decide to come back someday.

buncha pics just arrived in the gallery.

ive been to four shows now, and the show at the gardens def. isnt my favorite, but it wasnt terrible either.  i say this only because of amount of younger kids that we there annoying me. i blame that on the fact that the university of louisville had let out for thanksgiving break, so alot of people were out of town. the sound wasnt that good, but thats not their fault. the venue isnt the greatest by far. i was in the front row in front of two tone and carl. i was also disappoint by the lack of enthusiasm of the crowd. alot of them didnt really know the songs. it just seemed like the crowd, on a general consensus, was juvenile.
the opener with the white curtain blew me away, by the time the curtain fell, my heart was ready to explode.
run thru, was for sure the best performance. completely mind melting. nashville to kentucky was also incredible, but funny thing is, the crowd didnt really seem to know the song and were confused. at least everyone surrounding me appeared to be. i screamed out really loud when they started playing it, expecting everyone else to as well, but everyone just kinda stood there in confusion.
i heard people complaining about the smoke. i didnt have a problem with it, but honestly, what can you expect?
over all it was terrific. the show at the ryman was over-all better. but two tone and jim coming over and acknowledging my enthusiasm by leaning over and rocking out with me proved that they truly are the greatest band. period.

QuoteSo goodbye to those of you who deserve it, and fuck off to those of you who deserve that.

Missed all of this, sorry to see you go Tundra, hope you think about coming back  :(

Did anyone notice that Danny Cash was on the keys for the last song with Wax Fang?

QuoteDid anyone notice that Danny Cash was on the keys for the last song with Wax Fang?

I notice a keyboard player and thought it was just a band of three but not that it was cash... that's nice!

Did anyone get any pictures? Especially of he crowd? Call me self centered but I love seeing pictures of myself lol.

I didn't look for this online, I just scanned it in... old school!
Right click and save it to read it larger or right click, open in new tab/window...

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a couple issues i had with the louisville performace.

1) they have been playing the same setlist ever since Z was released, mix it up for gods sake! no surprises, no covers, nothing special there.

2) acoutics were awful due to the awful choice of venue. that place was disgusting. it  was to big and to empty and too many drunk jackass talking through the whole show.

3) i still don't understand why mmj won't play 2 nights at the Palace or headlinders yet they play 3 fucking nights in san francisco. am i the only one who prefers to seem them in a smaller club?

4) the all ages thing was a joke. fucking grade school kids running around and shit.

Quote2) acoutics were awful due to the awful choice of venue. that place was disgusting. it  was to big and to empty and too many drunk jackass talking through the whole show.

I didn't go, that's basically why, the Louisville Gardens is a horrible venue.  I think it's the worst place in Louisville to see a show.  

Quote3) i still don't understand why mmj won't play 2 nights at the Palace or headlinders yet they play 3 fucking nights in san francisco. am i the only one who prefers to seem them in a smaller club?

2 nights at the Palace would be freaking AWESOME!  You are definitely not the only person who would prefer to see them in a smaller venue.  The sound is always better in those smaller places and it definitely seems more intimate.  

jeeez folks, enough already about how bad the venue was, how lame the set list was, and how young the crowd was. This is about rock n' roll man! Get to the important stuff!!

HOW BAD WAS THE CIGARETTE SMOKE???

Chicago was non-smoking and security enforced  it.  I hated it cuz it was harder to sneak a toke.

Im with Scott on the strobe lights.  Strobes should be directed at the band not the audience.  I couldn't see shit from the balcony.

i dont see why its unreasonable to expect a non smoking venue to be smoke free......but then again people ARE assholes (see this thread for samples he he he) and will often do what they want when they want regardless of the rules.

unfortunately smoke machine smoke IS carcinogenic in certain amounts.  the smoke machine at sparks back in the day had a warning on the side about overfilling the room with smoke.

um and buddy, the grateful dead did NOT stop playing here due to smoking issues.  from what ive heard they quit playing here because the cops hassled them and arrested members of their crew every time they played in town.  though im sure technically it had something to do with "pot" smoking at least some of the time.



now that the bs is out of the way, and for it i apologize....

the show was ok.  i was a santa and had a lot of fun.  the crowd was kinda fucked though.  the whole all ages thing was kind of a drag in a way.  i saw all of these WASTED kids just actin a fool.  

3 songs into wax fangs set a kid in front of us started projectile vomiting....bro, pace yourself.

the cute couple (maybe 16/17) making out in front of us during all of wax fangs set ended up out in the street in front of the venue as i was leaving shit faced out of their minds.  the boy was walking in traffic being an asshole and screaming at his girl while his girl was on the sidewalk screaming her head off.

i saw a LOT of people eat pavement.  the last one was a guy about 8 feet from me.  he landed ON his eye socket.  i heard/felt the thud and everyone of his friends just kinda stood there except one who grabbed the security guy.  they helped him up and the first aid personell walked him past me and he had a knot above his eye that was about as big around as a silver dollar and jutting about 2 inches off his head.


dont get me wrong.  i like to party as much as the next person....but fucks sake people.  ill say it again, PACE YOURSELVES!

the sound sucked...but its the gardens and i expected that.  wax fang was FUCKING GREAT!  they are my fav louisville band these days.  the jacket were playing great.  we left just after dondante though as my girlfriend was feeling ill and still trying to get over her tonsilitis.  we had just seen the show at the ryman about a week earlier though and we got in free since we were santas so i didnt feel like i missed too much.

i gotta agree though with the two shows at the palace idea.  that would be fucking great.  and...goddamn it, now im a cranky old man but i sure could have done without a bunch of wasted 16 year olds all around me.  HEY YOU KIDS!  GET OFF MY LAWN!

I'm fighting my better judgement about saying anything, but here goes.  I was right in front of Jim with only one person in front of me before the railing.  This sounds like it would be kick ass, but here's my beef:

1.  The setlists are really unconcious.  If they read these boards (but why would they?  That would be a little egotistical) they would see that the highlights of the shows have by and large been the older tunes.  i.e. They Ran (which was sweet) and Nashville To Kentucky etc.

2.  Shut up about the all ages deal.  I'm 22 and didn't enjoy the 10 or so high school kids passing a bottle of kool-aid and jack back and forth, yelling at all their friends and holding up their phones the whole show to take pictures, but the older fans have to accept that this is a quickly growing band.  Exposure means a wider variety of fans.  

3.  The smoking thing, it happens.  I smoked for 5 or 6 years and as a result welcome the second hand stuff because I don't smoke anymore.  What are you going to do?  I can't think of anywhere in this country where it is legal to smoke weed, but it has happened at every single concert that I have ever been to, and I've been to a few.  

Bottom line - this is an awesome band, but they need to re-evalute their setlists and such to please the audience.  I have seen Bob Dylan 3 times, and Pearl Jam 2 times.  They don't even come close to repeating setlists.  That's why they can still make a living touring.  People want to be surprised.  If I go see MMJ one more time and hear the same Dondonte - Run Thru to end the first set (which I know that they didn't do at this set but they have done a lot) and Anytime and Magheetah to close, it will be the last time for a long time.  

All this said this is still one of my favorite bands in history and I mean that sincerely.  Step it up a little though.

OR, start your own rock band and play what the fuck you want to. And yatz, I hope the next time you see the Jacket they play Don Dante and Run Thru back to back to back to back. Just for you. For 2 hours solid, nothing but those 2 songs.

tired of the complainers here.

really tired of all the crybabies and complainers

Long live rock, and what it used to stand for.

Good grief,  out.

I just can't friggin' believe somebody would complain about the setlists.  Really?  Seriously?

There are 2000 people on this board (if that really) and they all love hearing the rarities.  Believe me, it's my highlight as well to hear those songs.  But the band isn't playing for 2000 hard core fans.  If you were a casual fan and it was your turn to see them for the first time, wouldn't you want to see Dondante/Run Thru?  I don't want to start another 10 pages of arguments, but Bob Dylan and Pearl Jam have like 357 albums each and have been around for 286 years.  (OK so that is bit of an exageration)  MMJ has already covered about 75% of their album catalog in a matter of 15 or so shows.  They are known for doing covers, just not in the last 15 shows!    

If they didn't play Dondante tonight, there would be 20 people who would come on here and complain.  Wah! Wah! Wah!

Having said all that, you have every right to complain all you want, but that's just no way to go thru life, ya know?

QuoteOR,

tired of the complainers here.

really tired of all the crybabies and complainers

Seems to me the biggest crybaby and complainer around here is you Tracy.  People ought to be able to have an opinion even if that opinion is that an mmj experience they had that was less than orgasmic.

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Seems to me the biggest crybaby and complainer around here is you Tracy.  People ought to be able to have an opinion even if that opinion is that an mmj experience they had that was less than orgasmic.

I think the difference in me is I'm just having a rip roarin', good ol' time and could give a monkey's about any of it.

now, just where did I leave my disclaimer...

im sorry to disagree but most bands play the same or similar sets within a given leg of a tour.  im sure there are bands that vary, but every time ive gone out on multiple dates of the same leg of many of my favorite bands tours ive seen close to if not exactly the same show each night.  its not their fault im a super geek who follows them from town to town.  the sets are set up to be played to a different audience each night.  though im sure the jacket played a lot of the same songs i seriously doubt the set list that night was the same as the setlist the year before which was the last time they played in louisville.

also.  im a cranky old man and will complain about them thar joo-vee-nile dee-ling-kwits as muchn as i do see fit.

but that being said, all complaints aside, i wish there were more chances in louisville for all ages kids to see shows.  though, responsibly.  maybe lv gardens wont get in trouble but kids getting wasted at your venue CAN get the venues, promoters, and bands in trouble.  it just sucks when a minority fucks things up for the majority thats just there to enjoy the show.

QuoteOR, start your own rock band and play what the fuck you want to. And yatz, I hope the next time you see the Jacket they play Don Dante and Run Thru back to back to back to back. Just for you. For 2 hours solid, nothing but those 2 songs.

tired of the complainers here.

really tired of all the crybabies and complainers

Long live rock, and what it used to stand for.

Good grief,  out.

Yikes your a feisty one.  As a matter of fact I do have my own band, we do play whatever we want, and I do not think that it is unreasonable for me to air my opinion, be it complaining, whining, sobbing, whatever you want to call it.  All that I am saying is that it didn't live up to my expectations.  That's my opinion and that's all that I want it to be.  It is my understanding that with this be an open forum, I am allowed to, as a registered user, voice my opinions on a band who I have given a good deal of money to in the past couple of years.  I am happy that you would like them to play Dondante and Run Thru for 2 hours just for me.  I honestly feel that that would be quite interesting.  So sorry for offending you, if that is in fact what I did.  You did not really state a position on what I said other than saying that you hope the oposite occurs for me.  

As far as my reference to Bob Dylan and Pearl Jam, yeah they have been around for a lot longer, yeah they have a lot more songs, what's wrong with hoping that MMJ will espire to the level of established professional touring acts such as these.  I was up front the past two years at Bonnaroo and was literally blown away both years, '06 being the best show I have seen in my entire life...did I mention I've seen Bob Dylan, Pearl Jam, Mars Volta, Radiohead.  I have seen what I think this band can do, and I have played live music for six years and understand that everyone has bad nights.  All that I am saying is that I thought this was an off night for them.  I didn't ask for my money back.  I didn't say I was sorry I went.  I was honestly quite happy that I was there and had a pretty good time.  I honestly do not know why it is a big deal that I did not enjoy the show to whatever standard you feel I should have.  This is a great band that I think had a bad night.  I think.  I think.  Ok.

P.S. - I enjoyed that you referenced The Peanuts in light of your disgust with me and the other whiners, and my Icon in particular.  Have a wonderful day.

I'm in it for the soulful experience, the reception and expulsion of energy and vibes, the explosion of joined commnunity. I'm in it because these guys can make me briefly escape from the chaotic lives of the homeless people I work for, the EVERY DAY grind. They release and capture my soul.

I am not in it to critique the set lists or "profesionalism"of the band, wondering if moves A,B,C and D will merit critical worth and hoping the band will "step it up". I see what these guys put into their music every time they take the stage and that's enough for me. And it's that simple for me. That's why I'll drive a couple of hours to see them play THE EXACT SAME SET LIST on consecutive nights because it's from the soul. It means something. What gets me is that what they leave on the stage is just not enough "product" for some folks.

Man, we saw Van Halen in 85 in Jackson, Mississippi and then 3 weeks later in Dallas. The exact same show. The exact same Diamond Dave saying, "Look at all the people heeeere tonight" at the same time, and then the "I forgot the fucking words" at the same point in Unchained. Word for word, song for song, bass toss for bass toss (Michael Anthony tossing his Jack Daniels bass from the top catwalk). It ain't for everyone, but I love it. And they did pretty good touring like that.

I'm old school. Come with your shit and rock. No whining, no crying, no complaining. Just rock out, cheer, share, and go the fuck home.

 Pete Townsend talks about the critics. He talks about how those critics will gently say (with hands clasped together), "The show must go on" and "all those fans will be so disappointed if the show doesn't go on". Pete says, "I never played for those folks anyway, I played for the one's who were saying (pounds fist on table) 'You got to go on man! Otherwise, all those kids, they'll be finished! They'll have nothing to live for! That, that, man, is rock and roll.'"  I'm one of those.

Setlist? Who cares, just play the music in any order you like and I will surely LOVE it!  :)

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/entertainment/music/16119603.htm

My Morning Jacket at Louisville Gardens: Initially, the homecoming spirit was conjured more by the Thanksgiving-eve crowd than the Louisville-bred MMJ. You could sense its seasonal mood early as a pack of makeshift Santas roamed through the venue. One of them even chose to play air guitar on a surfboard-sized candy cane. MMJ chieftain Jim James let nearly 80 minutes of the two-hour performance slip by before even addressing the revelers. But once the ice was cracked, he seemed humbled that his band was headlining the 5,000-seat Gardens, a venue where he once saw Megadeth as a rock 'n' roll lad. With the chiming, echoing, U2-style guitars of One Big Holiday serving as the show opener, MMJ called upon eight of the 10 tunes from last year's album, Z. The fun ran from the reggae charge of Off the Record to the bubbly electric atmospherics of Wordless Chorus to 15 minutes of Dondante, when the show's psychedelic ambience reached its zenith. James' singing, which is used as much for color in MMJ's textured music as a poetic device, revealed more range but less definition than on the band's recordings. But guitarist Carl Broemel proved to be MMJ's ace-in-the-hole player at encore time by exploring the country contours of Tonight I Want to Celebrate With You on pedal-steel guitar before switching to saxophone for Nashville to Kentucky. The house rocked, the hometown crowd was delighted and holiday fun ensued.

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I'm old school. Come with your shit and rock. No whining, no crying, no complaining. Just rock out, cheer, share, and go the fuck home.

You forgot get on the band's message board and chastize other fans that didn't have the same experience as you.  If it is really all about the music for you what does it matter what other people think?  

For someone who claims to be about, "No whining, no crying, no complaining" you are doing a lot of bitching.

(insert Tracy's witty response that doesn't answer my question.)

I am sick of Flava Flav.

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You forgot get on the band's message board and chastize other fans that didn't have the same experience as you.  If it is really all about the music for you what does it matter what other people think?  

For someone who claims to be about, "No whining, no crying, no complaining" you are doing a lot of bitching.

(insert Tracy's witty response that doesn't answer my question.)

I bitch about the complaining and the whining, true. And a lot of the chastizing I do is tongue in cheek. (you know, we've been down this road before and it's exactly the same as before. I just hope you can handle it and don't run away for 6 months this time. We can agree to disagree, just stick around. For what it's worth ).

And it really doesn't matter if some people think performances are lame, or too crowded, or smoky, or muffled and it doesn't matter what I think. Is that a good enough answer? It doesn't matter. That's why I get so suprised when people get their panties in a wad.
Can you dig that?

It's a message board for God's sakes people! get over it.

I don't come here to be critical of the band, I come here to share joy with other fans. I have made friends here with people and we have broken bread at each other's houses and slept under each other's roofs, solely because of The Jacket and this board. I am so happy when these guys play that I don't care about much else. That's how I roll. But if you come here and be critical of the band, I'll take jabs at you. And good Lord, jab back.

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QuoteI am sick of Flava Flav.

yep

that's it

this old fart (who announced to his 9th grade class in 1978 that the new computers we got were a waste of time b/c they were just a fad) will now show his text messaging indie creds




thank you Kory.

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Fergie says stop the presses!  ;)

this thread is so like a Muhammad Ali fight.

jab jab. dance. jab. dance dance. jab. ko. lady in bikini.

If you can't take the heat, get out of this thread!

This thread went 7 rounds.

QuoteIf you can't take the heat, get out of this thread!

That may be the first thing you have ever said that I agree with. I guess there's hope after all...

I am most happy that you are not a heinous B#%(* Tracy and I have smiled while reading everything you said.  I feel much the same way as you about music (though not Van Halen <- that was a cheap shot I know) as hard as that may be for you to conceive.  I go to have my soul touched just the same.  But you know, if we can agree that their is a soul, an immaterial entity, or I guess, a non-entity, can we not agree that there can be different levels that it can be effected on, and that some nights are better than others.   That's really all that I am saying.  I have a right to gripe.  Debates about music are one of my favorite things in the world.  I am glad you have shared.  

Later
Travis

QuoteI am most happy that you are not a heinous B#%(* Tracy and I have smiled while reading everything you said.  I feel much the same way as you about music (though not Van Halen <- that was a cheap shot I know) as hard as that may be for you to conceive.  I go to have my soul touched just the same.  But you know, if we can agree that their is a soul, an immaterial entity, or I guess, a non-entity, can we not agree that there can be different levels that it can be effected on, and that some nights are better than others.   That's really all that I am saying.  I have a right to gripe.  Debates about music are one of my favorite things in the world.  I am glad you have shared.  
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Travis

thanks Travis, it's all good. Here's to listening to Can You See the Hard Helmet on My Head, arm and arm at Headliners, in the not too distant future.

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Fergie says stop the presses!  ;)

let's get this thread really going...

girl fight!

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Let's just post really hot pictures of really hot women............

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[size=26]ALL DAY LONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/size]

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Uhm, that girl's not all that hot.  ??? ???

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touchee.

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Uhm, that girl's not all that hot.  ??? ???

Um, this is not a discusion we are having here, now post some more pictures of Hot chicks damnit.

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This is not a discusion we are having here, now post some more pictures of Hot chicks damnit.

How about this one?

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Those people aren't from Louisville!  What's going on here?

"How about this one?"


Yeah, ok.....faster though, let's get them up faster.

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Yeah, I'm going to "log-off" now for a few minutes.  

ah..................

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anyone??

OMFG, Laura Prepon is so hot!

QuoteThose people aren't from Louisville!  What's going on here?

oh, just general forum craziness, Bug... ;)

for sweatboard--a hot, smoking chick

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QuoteOMFG, Laura Prepon is so hot!

Whoa!  I thought that was Kate Moss!  I was just scrolling through really fast when I realized it was pics of half dressed women because I'm at work .

Sweatboard, who's that girl you posted above?

She's my number one  :)

QuoteSweatboard, who's that girl you posted above?

She's my number one  :)

That would be the girl from the show "JAG" that has the huge jugs.

Quotefor sweatboard--a hot, smoking chick

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I LOVE her and I LOVE that movie.

Who remembers this?

(had to bump a classic  ;D)

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[highlight]FLAVA FLAV![/highlight]

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Oh Martina, how I'll miss thee.

how cool would it be to do blow with martina??

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this thread makes me miss tundra.  He had a ton of great posts before Tracy and Conaway made him feel unwelcome around here.

yea, he showed up down at the bbc before that show, mask and all! He did have some good posts... maybe at least he lurks around here now.

Quoteyea, he showed up down at the bbc before that show, mask and all! He did have some good posts... maybe at least he lurks around here now.

yep, I ran him off because I'm an assshole. I posted a couple of times that I didn't think any of what we said mattered and it was all in fun, but I guess it wasn't good enough. I have a hard time seeing how that runs someone off a board...maybe he'll be back.

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Quoteyea, he showed up down at the bbc before that show, mask and all! He did have some good posts... maybe at least he lurks around here now.

yep, I ran him off because I'm an assshole. I posted a couple of times that I didn't think any of what we said mattered and it was all in fun, but I guess it wasn't good enough. I have a hard time seeing how that runs someone off a board...maybe he'll be back.

whoa man, I didn't call you an asshole. I just said i remember that dude...

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Quoteyea, he showed up down at the bbc before that show, mask and all! He did have some good posts... maybe at least he lurks around here now.

yep, I ran him off because I'm an assshole. I posted a couple of times that I didn't think any of what we said mattered and it was all in fun, but I guess it wasn't good enough. I have a hard time seeing how that runs someone off a board...maybe he'll be back.

whoa man, I didn't call you an asshole. I just said i remember that dude...

word

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I like the way you roll

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Quotehow cool would it be to do blow with martina??

Pretty Fucking Cool........and Hot, once we ended up playing wii tennis naked all night!

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Quotehow cool would it be to do blow with martina??

Pretty Fucking Cool........and Hot, once we ended up playing wii tennis naked all night!

ha ha...classic.