I know that they know how to play more than 30 songs. In fact I have personaly seen them play 'em (New Years Run, Okonokos and Bonnaroo). Are they trying to win new fans over so they only play songs from Z, EU and selected songs from ISM, At Daw and TTTF? songs in which they consider user friendly? Or do they not like playing those other songs? Don't they know it was mostly their other songs that have won over so many of us obsessed fans?
What ever happened to the hair ripping "The Dark"? The show stopping It's About Twilight Now? The country lovers how down "Lowdown"? The intense "Stangulation?" My favorite rocker "Honest Man"?!?! X-Mas Curtin? Sooner? O Is The One That's Real? Easy Morning Rebel? Just One Thing? They Ran? Covers?
Radiohead, have 59 songs they as a band have learned to play live and those are the 59 songs they select from before they walk onto stage. What they will do is try to play the songs that fit the fans, the setting, the sound of the venue and what they are feeling at that moment. Some nights they play Creep. Some nights they dont. Some nights Yorke will play acoustic. Some nights it's all fuckin' rockers. Granted they are promoting "In Rainbows right now...so right now they mostly, but not always will play "15 step" "Recokoner" or "House of Cards". But as for previous material - it's all up for grab.
So why not MMJ do they same - to keep us fans truely interested!! to keep us on our toes? dp oy so you make us want to go to more shows so we can wintness moments we have yet to experience. For example - a randown Into the Woods acoustic or set closing "It's about Twilight"?
Plus wouldn't you think they would have more fun playing new songs every night?
Just sayin....
You've never been in a band, have you?
How many times are we going to go thru this?
haha....
no, i have not been in a band. and lets go through it ONE more time. I missed something last time.
Quotehaha....
no, i have not been in a band. and lets go through it ONE more time. I missed something last time.
It is incredibly difficult for a band to rehearse a huge number of songs and have them good enough to perform them at the level MMJ does. Especially right after recording a new album, then touring europe, then the US, with no end in sight. They get 2, maybe 3 days off a week.
That's just the way they do it. The way I see it, if I'm obsessing over setlist variety to the point that I'm dissapointed in the band and questioning the greatness of a show, I'm thinking too much about it. And I know where you're coming from, I obsessed over Dead and Phish setlists for years, but MMJ just doesn't operate like that on the road, and may not ever. Enjoy the shows :)
Gotta remember too that they are promoting the new album.
I think it's cool they toss in some oldies to keep everyone happy.
Well almost everyone!!!
QuoteYou've never been in a band, have you?
he doesn't need to have been. phish would pull a completely different setlist out every night from a group of over 200 songs. it's called the extra mile.
not that i'm complaining. i only plan on seeing mmj twice this year. but people followed phish around, so a change of set was necessary.
QuoteQuoteYou've never been in a band, have you?
he doesn't need to have been. phish would pull a completely different setlist out every night from a group of over 200 songs. it's called the extra mile.
not that i'm complaining. i only plan on seeing mmj twice this year. but people followed phish around, so a change of set was necessary.
Suggesting that this band doesnt go "the extra mile" is a joke.
QuoteQuoteQuoteYou've never been in a band, have you?
he doesn't need to have been. phish would pull a completely different setlist out every night from a group of over 200 songs. it's called the extra mile.
not that i'm complaining. i only plan on seeing mmj twice this year. but people followed phish around, so a change of set was necessary.
Suggesting that this band doesnt go "the extra mile" is a joke.
Aye j-rud. You beat me to it. My sentiments exactly.
2 things:
1. I saw Radiohead a couple weeks ago and they played In Rainbows in its entirety.
2. How many songs did Phish play each night, on average? It was more about a degree of improv vs. blasting out 25 tunes. Same with the Dead, no?
Has everyone here noticed how nice I have been the past couple of months? well, sorry
fuck phish
I'd rather listen to Jim James take a dump into a metal trash can over a pay phone while I'm outside in August in Mississippi than see 30 Phish shows in a row where they do not repeat 1 song on their set lists.
and change up your own set list
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Plus I think that 15%-20% ? (could be a little generous there in the numbers) are seeing them for the FIRST time this tour, and a LOT are familiar with the songs from Evil Urges right now. I couldn't believe how many people I heard singing the opening lines to "Highly Suspicious" on the Philly stream. Look around on the net, Google through the blogs. Not everyone is on the forum here and know their back catalog...yet (and you know they will) :-). But the press is all over them, and new fans are increasing in huge numbers oh so very quickly. I'm sure after this tour they'll mix it up again...shoot...we already know how MMJ can throw in surprises left and right. I think right now they are giving a whole lot of fans exactly what they came to see and hear..and then some. And, of course they should and would be focusing on the new songs. After just a short time, they've already become staples in their ever-growing set. From now on out, there will always be something missing and we want to hear.
Okay..off my rarely visited soapbox ;-).
Im with you on this. I do not understand why they don't mix things up a little more. Flat out- this band wants to get bigger and to do so they are going to have to expand their nightly sets. Im addicted to this band but this tour has gotten stale. I am very tired of Sec walking, 2 halves - these songs are okay but every night is just boring. In the beginning of this tour fans were syched to hear Phone Went West but after 30 or so times in a row it gets old. I like the suggestions of adding some new and old tunes to the list.
As for the comment about the band learning only so many tunes and doing them professionally in cncert - well you do not know much about music. There are ons of musicians that mix it up. I personally believe the band is playing what they think the audience wants to hear. Mr. James and the band are smart people but -- it may be time to listen to us - your fans and MIX IT UP ALITTLE! Play some other tunes and stop playing some of the new ones -- some of them are not that good.
First off, I understand they're promoting their new album and I understand that they're gonna play a majority of their new songs in their sets. I get that. I'm okay with that. But does Golden, Off The Record, OBH, Worless, Lay Low etc need to get played every night? Why not switch some of the older ones out??
Second - the band CAN perform their other songs. Sure they need to practice, but shit man, that's their fucking job. They get paid to do this....paid lots of money. I mean Fuck, carl knew how to play every song BEFORE he joined the band. They are all professional musicans and I have no doubt in my mind they could rock the shit out X-Mas Curtin tomorrow if they wanted.
Third - If your gonna play the same songs over and over - at least change the order...for your sake and ours. KEEP IT FROSTY!
Fourth - You dont have to defend the band in everything they do. I complain because I care. If I didn't expect more from the band I wouldn't be talking about this. But I do expect more because I know they can do more. The only reason I can see for them not to play other songs is because they think people wont "like" them as much. This is where (if it were true) I would like to tell them they are wrong. O Is The One That's Real is an amazing song and they should not hide it from thousands of people. The same goes for most of the songs in which they have been keeping in the back of the their catalog for so long now.
Lastly - I love this band! I will always rock the hardest and any one of the shows. I will always support them and will continue to go their shows so long as they're playing. So what it really comes down to...I just really want to see Honest Man live. Berkeley. 08. for reals.
good Lord, you people sound like you are actually attending every one of the shows on the tour and that's why you are upset about the same set lists.
No, you're upset b/c the songs they are playing, for other people, don't have enough variety.
baffling
QuoteSecond - the band CAN perform their other songs. Sure they need to practice, but shit man, that's their fucking job. They get paid to do this....paid lots of money. I mean Fuck, carl knew how to play every song BEFORE he joined the band. They are all professional musicans and I have no doubt in their y mind they could rock the shit out X-Mas Curtin tomorrow if they wanted.
It's NOT their JOB, It's thier LIFE. I would hate for them to start thinking they owed their audience something. I fell in love with this band because they weren't doing a job, they were releasing....Let's just keep
job and
professional out of the vocab when we talk about this band please.
This remindes me of people bitching about Eddie Vedders in between song political rants......Just play the songs Ass Hole....The Ones we want....but mix it up...and stop speaking your mind...no one gives a shit......I spent $5 on a beer and I want to hear something off of TEN. I know you actually care about this band so I don't group you in with those assholes but.....SERIOUSLY?
QuoteIn the beginning of this tour fans were syched to hear Phone Went West but after 30 or so times in a row it gets old.
how addicted are you? because phone went west should never get old...it's one of the many varieties of heroin this band supplies its fans
also, how is it getting stale? if you've seen them enough times to see phone went west 30 times this tour you need to realize that this really isn't a band you follow around on tour religiously ...sure you should see them in the cities that surround where you live, or big venue shows like RCMH, Bonnaroo (two shows that couldnt have been more different) or Louisville and Red Rocks...but MMJ isnt Phish or the Dead ...they don't operate like that at all
Plus if you were REALLY listening, like say you only download boots religiously, then you would notice the subtle differences in every show...
and to whoever said we don't have to defend everything the band does? Well it's not like they slapped on some Nazi uniforms and mowed down a whole crowd of fans with AK's (no they prefer megaton bombs of rock...without the Nazism)...i mean jeez they're just doing what we love, playing shows
That's how a fanbase grows, let's say you've only been around since evil urges and you've just gotten into Z big time... your buddy in DC calls and says o man...just wait til you hear Dondante...i can feel a monster breakdown growing (which is what they actually did). then they get to philly and they play x-mas curtain instead? o wups...
if they never played that ridiculous version of DD in philly i guarantee you a shit ton of people would be complaining even more than had they changed the setlist. i mean dont get me wrong xmas is a great song, but they played it ALL THE TIME on the 06 tour...(where were all the complainers then?) that's how this band operates, they change from tour to tour with small changes every show within each tour.
and to whoever said switch it up and take OBH out....shame on you, you aren't a fan....that's right...I have no problem in calling someone out at the mere suggestion of removing that song from the setlist
A lot of bitchin on here about honest comments. I just read reviews from Boston that werent all that glowing. Someone is even calling for the band to come back after their break with new setlists.
They have elevated their game to a point that a lot of us are watching and listening to what they are doing everyday. I just see them getting better as they rotate a songs on a consistent basis verse the same songs over and over. Extending a song or two that does not nomally go past 4 minutes would be a highlight too.
With the light show, it's tough to change the order every night. The cues have to be considered. Sometimes, drastically changing setlists can cause trouble. But....
This US tour has been pretty varied. The band in 2008 isn't the band from 2000. They are are a tighter band with a more focused, intricate sound. The songs that they play every night are there for a reason. They are staples of the new direction. That's the bands choice. Sadly, most of TTF songs don't work with what they're doing all the time. Same goes for AD tunes. They make their way in though.
I'm pretty sure the band knows that War Begun and Cobra are highly clamoured for. What did they doo, they brought them back and they show up almost every night! That was for the older fans. Knot Comes Loose showed up already. I was shocked when I saw that!
I'd love more variation too but the band has a mission and a direction for their sound. I'd say they bridge the gap very well. Enough variation and enough familiarity to suit everyone.
While I totally understand the desire to hear classics, I dont think anyone has mentioned energy and continuity as another reason the setlists are generally similar. The best thing about an MMJ show is the energy. I get blown away by every song they do, but the freaks like us are the minority. The average fans heart wont explode in his chest when he hears I Will Be There When You Die or By My Car. I think the setlists are carefully constructed to keep the energy flowing. You take out Lay Low and One Big Holiday for Nashville to Kentucky and Picture of You and all of a sudden you have a rather large chunk of the energy removed from the show.
There will be times the band digs deeper into the catalog, but those are special occasions. You also have to remember that even though you are "doing this because (you) care", your thoughts are still merely your own opinion. What you prefer may not be what everyone prefers. And yes, some tunes, like OBH in particular, should be played every night. Every. Fucking. Night.
And as long as we're on the subject of Rarity V Regular, Im going to throw out a New Years request for Chills. Ya know...if anyone is listening...
im personally not complaining, i attended the atlanta show ad we got remnants, cobra, war begun, evelyn, and the bear. I do think its very interesting that every show after the atlanta show featured less songs, in fact atl had 28 songs, followed by the florida shows getting less than 25, they may have gone too hard to fast at the beginning of this tour.
QuoteWhile I totally understand the desire to hear classics, I dont think anyone has mentioned energy and continuity as another reason the setlists are generally similar. The best thing about an MMJ show is the energy. I get blown away by every song they do, but the freaks like us are the minority. The average fans heart wont explode in his chest when he hears I Will Be There When You Die or By My Car. I think the setlists are carefully constructed to keep the energy flowing. You take out Lay Low and One Big Holiday for Nashville to Kentucky and Picture of You and all of a sudden you have a rather large chunk of the energy removed from the show.
There will be times the band digs deeper into the catalog, but those are special occasions. You also have to remember that even though you are "doing this because (you) care", your thoughts are still merely your own opinion. What you prefer may not be what everyone prefers. And yes, some tunes, like OBH in particular, should be played every night. Every. Fucking. Night.
And as long as we're on the subject of Rarity V Regular, Im going to throw out a New Years request for Chills. Ya know...if anyone is listening...
good point...on the whole energy thing, but it doesn't cut it. Sorry, Sec Walkin', Thank You Too, Two Halves, Smookin' all don't have THAT much energy in them. dont get me wrong, I love all those songs, but they're no OBH. So change out songs with energy for other songs with energy. Change out Wordless for Cobra. Change out Way That he Sings for Lowdown. Change out Phone Went West...actually dont change out that song, I fuckin' love that song live. Change out OBH for It's About Twilight. Change Libriarian for Think Im Going to Hell. Maghetta for Easy Morning Rebel etc.
I know what ya'll are saying. I understand the reasoning for not playing some of the other classics but I guess I was just wanting something more from the band - something to get excited about again. With that said - I still think they need to change it up a little bit. Just a little man.
QuoteA lot of bitchin on here about honest comments. I just read reviews from Boston that werent all that glowing. Someone is even calling for the band to come back after their break with new setlists.
They have elevated their game to a point that a lot of us are watching and listening to what they are doing everyday. I just see them getting better as they rotate a songs on a consistent basis verse the same songs over and over. Extending a song or two that does not nomally go past 4 minutes would be a highlight too.
Maybe the energy wasn't there in Boston because they're BORED of playing the same fucking songs in the same fuckin order.
QuoteQuoteA lot of bitchin on here about honest comments. I just read reviews from Boston that werent all that glowing. Someone is even calling for the band to come back after their break with new setlists.
They have elevated their game to a point that a lot of us are watching and listening to what they are doing everyday. I just see them getting better as they rotate a songs on a consistent basis verse the same songs over and over. Extending a song or two that does not nomally go past 4 minutes would be a highlight too.
Maybe the energy wasn't there in Boston because they're BORED of playing the same fucking songs in the same fuckin order.
you know, all your complaining and moaning has absolutely no bearing on anything the band does. So why not stop? We heard your opinion.
They opened with Anytime Friday night and Magheetah last night (and Touch Me in Miami). So, when you say they're
BORED of playing the same fucking songs in the same fuckin order you are LYING. You are making this worse than you think it is by simply making shit up.
Start your
own band, go on your
own tour, play your
own set list.
Otherwise, sit back an admire the magic you can only dream about.
Have some respect man, you're being a baby.
I have seen this band 4 times on this tour. Bonnaroo, Radio City, DC and Boston. Each show was quite different, but the staples were indeed the newer songs. That being said, I have found that the shows I have attended mixed up the newer songs too. Magheeta was played last night not in DC. Evelyn, Aluminum Park but not the Librarian were played in Boston not DC. The Bear at Radio City. Wonderful man at neither.
I've seen a serious mix of old and new stuff, covers and I've been quite satisfied. I would like to see Golden, Off the Record swapped out for say Just one Thing, By My Car, Butch Cassidy, At Dawn Strangulation, but I suspect the band will not stop touring and these songs will be back. Look at Pearl Jams recent tour, there were no new songs to plug so they hit the back catalog, I suspect MMJ will follow that recipe but this chapter needs to happen. Lots of new people seeing the band, newer bigger places, the newer stuff plays pretty well there.
I suspect that NYE will give us a lot of these rarities, as Radio City did not, and my fingers remain crossed. This band is just getting going and this tour will go on for a long time once the window of promoting the cd passes, the songs will rotate. Even the Dead played the newer stuff when they had some, the complaints were the same for decades. This is the same thread that PJ fans had in 06. Its part of the business, they still have to sell records. Wilco just did a run in Chicago that included the entire catalog....we've got time for all these types projects right now its about Evil Urges.
I've been to 13 shows. I've heard Golden 13 times. I've heard Mahgeetah, Off The Record, Dondante, and One Big Holiday 12 times. I've heard Run Thru, Lay Low, and Anytime 11 times. I've heard The Way That He Sings, Wordless Chorus, and Gideon 10 times. And so forth.
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QuoteI've been to 13 shows. I've heard Golden 13 times. I've heard Mahgeetah, Off The Record, Dondante, and One Big Holiday 12 times. I've heard Run Thru, Lay Low, and Anytime 11 times. I've heard The Way That He Sings, Wordless Chorus, and Gideon 10 times. And so forth.
...and all I can say is... [size=18]ENCORE![/size]
What show did you go to that they didn't play OBH?? Shocking!
QuoteQuoteI've been to 13 shows. I've heard Golden 13 times. I've heard Mahgeetah, Off The Record, Dondante, and One Big Holiday 12 times. I've heard Run Thru, Lay Low, and Anytime 11 times. I've heard The Way That He Sings, Wordless Chorus, and Gideon 10 times. And so forth.
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What show did you go to that they didn't play OBH?? Shocking!
yeah...really? and AMEN AMEN CHILDREN!
Quotegood Lord, you people sound like you are actually attending every one of the shows on the tour and that's why you are upset about the same set lists.
No, you're upset b/c the songs they are playing, for other people, don't have enough variety.
baffling
i beg to differ. . .
I went to the Atlanta and Myrtle shows, I was not expecting to get an entire new show at HOB, but when we did not get ONE different song than in Atl, I could not help, but be a little disappointed. Or frustrated to say the least. I just think they are really capable of mixing it up more and would love to see. I have seen them 15 Xs now and want to see them more. I want to follow this band around and go to more than one show per tour, but that just is not gonna happen if they don't throw a lil variety at us. And I don't think it is a bad thing for some of us to feel like this. I swear, some of yall act like they can do no wrong and get offended at the slightest criticism (not directed at who I quoted). There is my rant.
this is a great thread...good opinions from all. I am looking forward to Bozeman!
Imagine your mom spent all day making a meatloaf. She prepared it special just for you. She put all the perfect ingredients in it and then cut some potatoes, mashed them up, put some garlic, butter and cream in them. Then she shucked some corn and boiled it. She put some sun tea in a big jar outside, set the table and then put a pie in the oven, that she spent hours on, just so that it would come out nice a warm just in time for dessert. Then you came home from drinking and having fun all day, and said, "Damn, Mom, I wanted fried chicken and peas." You ingreatful bastards.
QuoteImagine your mom spent all day making a meatloaf. She prepared it special just for you. She put all the perfect ingredients in it and then cut some potatoes, mashed them up, put some garlic, butter and cream in them. Then she shucked some corn and boiled it. She put some sun tea in a big jar outside, set the table and then put a pie in the oven, that she spent hours on, just so that it would come out nice a warm just in time for dessert. Then you came home from drinking and having fun all day, and said, "Damn, Mom, I wanted fried chicken and peas." You ingreatful bastards.
"But, Mom... you made meatloaf last night, too."
That's the response I imagine you will be getting. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteA lot of bitchin on here about honest comments. I just read reviews from Boston that werent all that glowing. Someone is even calling for the band to come back after their break with new setlists.
They have elevated their game to a point that a lot of us are watching and listening to what they are doing everyday. I just see them getting better as they rotate a songs on a consistent basis verse the same songs over and over. Extending a song or two that does not nomally go past 4 minutes would be a highlight too.
Maybe the energy wasn't there in Boston because they're BORED of playing the same fucking songs in the same fuckin order.
you know, all your complaining and moaning has absolutely no bearing on anything the band does. So why not stop? We heard your opinion.
They opened with Anytime Friday night and Magheetah last night (and Touch Me in Miami). So, when you say they're BORED of playing the same fucking songs in the same fuckin order you are LYING. You are making this worse than you think it is by simply making shit up.
Start your own band, go on your own tour, play your own set list.
Otherwise, sit back an admire the magic you can only dream about.
Have some respect man, you're being a baby.
Understand I'm not 100% serious. A lot of the time, i'm playing devils advocate. I love this band with all my heart and support them to the fullest. But sometimes it's fun to debate and discuss things in which you love. Like I said before...it's only cause i care.
PS: you sound like a baby bitching about me sounding like a baby. BABY!!!!
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QuoteQuoteImagine your mom spent all day making a meatloaf. She prepared it special just for you. She put all the perfect ingredients in it and then cut some potatoes, mashed them up, put some garlic, butter and cream in them. Then she shucked some corn and boiled it. She put some sun tea in a big jar outside, set the table and then put a pie in the oven, that she spent hours on, just so that it would come out nice a warm just in time for dessert. Then you came home from drinking and having fun all day, and said, "Damn, Mom, I wanted fried chicken and peas." You ingreatful bastards.
"But, Mom... you made meatloaf last night, too."
That's the response I imagine you will be getting. ;)
"...and the night before...and the night before, and the night before...oh but wait, this night you made roasted potatoes not mashed, and I really liked that! Hey mom, can we have something different for dinner tonight. It's not that I don't appreciate your cooking, in fact I LOVE your meatloaf, but if you have meatloaf night after night you can get kind of sick of it.
Do you make meatloaf EVERY NIGHT because you know people will like it? Sometimes people need to taste your other styles of cooking, because your other styles of cooking are just as tasty. Just switch it up a little. Your an amazing cook and I know your capable of doing so. I love you. I always will. Thank you for all the wonderful food you have given me! I am very grateful of everything."
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Nice! ;D
that first post here = shot
At the recent shows I attended we had They Ran, At Dawn, Lowdown and Dancefloors, now they are playing other tracks such as War Begun, Cobra etc so I reckon they are doing a pretty good job of mixing up the set lists, considering they have to play several tracks from the new album as well as the old favourites.
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Game, set, and match
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Understand I'm not 100% serious. A lot of the time, i'm playing devils advocate. I love this band with all my heart and support them to the fullest. But sometimes it's fun to debate and discuss things in which you love. Like I said before...it's only cause i care.
to the point where you just make shit up? You're
that guy, the guy who goes on a band's message board and tries to stir shit up, then claims to be on board with whatever the band does. You're a piece of work.
my final word on this nonsense (again)
Start your
own band, go on your
own tour, play your
own set list.
in the meantime (ie, until the end of time) be thankful you get
anything from MMJ. You're a fan, you're not in the band. Figure it out.
To all those who are bitchin' and moanin':
There's more to this band than mere statistics...it's all in the masterplan. Please do your best to take a step back and realize that it's not always about 'us'. Also, they're NOT a jamband...maybe they don't want a bunch of fucking tour rats shwillin' up the purity. Enjoy what we're lucky enough to be a part of. In all respects, we are a part of something special with this band. I hope that WE are never in control of what the band plays, when they play it, what they wear, where they play or what they do...I could have NEVER imagined the brilliance of MMJ...I'm just not that fucking special...ARE YOU?
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QuoteTo all those who are bitchin' and moanin':
There's more to this band than mere statistics...it's all in the masterplan. Please do your best to take a step back and realize that it's not always about 'us'. Also, they're NOT a jamband...maybe they don't want a bunch of fucking tour rats shwillin' up the purity. Enjoy what we're lucky enough to be a part of. In all respects, we are a part of something special with this band. I hope that WE are never in control of what the band plays, when they play it, what they wear, where they play or what they do...I could have NEVER imagined the brilliance of MMJ...I'm just not that fucking special...ARE YOU?
I think that about sums it up.
The setlists have been more similar on this tour that started in August then they have been in the past. As to whoever is saying they don't know enough songs and until you have been in a band you don't know, obviously niether do you. It is not uncommon for bands to have to play 3 sets in a club doing 20 songs a set. Eddie Vedder decides their setlists by feeling the vibe of the venue and then pulling 25 plus songs out of their asses. MMJ can and should be mixing it up more. I would expect them to play any song from the catalog and have no problems being amazing as usual. Bottom line is there are some songs that haven't been played on this tour that are glaring ommisions. Hopefully that changes with this little break they are on. Can't wait for Portland and Seattle
Funny how we're complaining about setlists for shows we haven't seen. Does it matter that they didn't play Steam Engine if everyone in the house was dancing to Cobra? Unless you were at the show, then you have no reason to complain. If you were there and you think the energy was off last night, then fine. These aren't their last shows or anything. They've got a two-week break from touring, and they'll come back guns-a-blazing as always. ;)
So why is there any complaining here at all?
Think of the Led Zeppelin reunion. They played for two hours and didn't play Achilles Last Stand. Did anyone care about the die-hards complaining. No. Everyone was simply glad to have been graced by the magic of Led Zeppelin one last time.
The fact of the matter is: the band are moving forward. Are you moving forward?
The more things change, the more they stay the same:
October, 2005
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November, 2005
http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1132146491
Damn people. Quit your fucking bellyachin about the setlist and just be fucking grateful they are still around and you get to see them. Some of us are not fortunate enough to go see them this tour. Yeah I'd be very happy with a "predictable" set list right about now. Be thankful that they give it their all. How could anyone ever complain about their live set. :-/
hey dafunk
man, i totally hear what you are saying. there is clearly some validity to what you are saying... i mean same songs night after night. must get tiring for the band as well...
now let me take my tongue out of my cheek and give you a wonderful solution...
next time you see them.... bring your ipod, make sure your favorite songs on a playlist. when they start in on one of the songs you don't necessarily care for at that moment in time. just pop in the headphones and play the song YOU want to hear. you have a wide catalog of live material to choose from. then use your imagination that they are actually playing that song. i promise you it will work. plus you won't also hear all the other people talking and stuff. no one will ever know.
it will be mind blowing. let me know how it works out...
I've seen OKONOKOS probably around 40 times now I'm still not sick of it. So I've watch that exact setlist 40 times, and every time I watch it I just stare at the tv in a trance of pure joy for 2 hours, and that's just from a dvd, being there is almost more than I can even handle. So as far as setlists go for MMJ, they could play The Way That He Sings for half of a show and I would go home still feeling excited. I would rather them completely destroy every show than play 200 different songs and only be able to play them at a 50% level.
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Understand I'm not 100% serious. A lot of the time, i'm playing devils advocate. I love this band with all my heart and support them to the fullest. But sometimes it's fun to debate and discuss things in which you love. Like I said before...it's only cause i care.
to the point where you just make shit up? You're that guy, the guy who goes on a band's message board and tries to stir shit up, then claims to be on board with whatever the band does. You're a piece of work.
my final word on this nonsense (again)
Start your own band, go on your own tour, play your own set list.
in the meantime (ie, until the end of time) be thankful you get anything from MMJ. You're a fan, you're not in the band. Figure it out.
you sound upset....
calm down a little...
it's just a message board....
it's just a band....
it's just a discussion....
chill.....
it's not real life.....
Quotehey dafunk
man, i totally hear what you are saying. there is clearly some validity to what you are saying... i mean same songs night after night. must get tiring for the band as well...
now let me take my tongue out of my cheek and give you a wonderful solution...
next time you see them.... bring your ipod, make sure your favorite songs on a playlist. when they start in on one of the songs you don't necessarily care for at that moment in time. just pop in the headphones and play the song YOU want to hear. you have a wide catalog of live material to choose from. then use your imagination that they are actually playing that song. i promise you it will work. plus you won't also hear all the other people talking and stuff. no one will ever know.
it will be mind blowing. let me know how it works out...
why would I ever do that?
You guys are misunderstanding me. It's not that I dont respect the band. it's not that I dont love the music they put out. It's none of that.
In fact, I love this band just as much as the rest. In fact I collect concert posters. Even spend my hard earned money properly framing the damn things. I have traveled thousands of miles to see them play live. Driven across two states. Waited hours in the rain. Have refused sex from my beautiful girlfriend because I wanted to watch Okonokos when it first came out. I listen to this band every day. Own every CD. Every vinyl (except ISM). Download everyshow and LISTEN TO IT. I have had dreams involving MMJ. I LOVE THIS BAND....
with that said - I would still like for them to switch up their setlists a little more....to keep it frothy. If they don't - I'll still listen to their music everyday and I will still hope, that on a continuous basis, their LIVE shows will be varied day by day, because varity is something I admire.
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As a mom I can relate to the meatloaf analogy but perhaps this will make it a bit clearer to the complainers.
If I made meatloaf every night and my family complained I would understand why.However,if I made meatloaf PLUS 24 other entrees every night and they still complained I'd give them directions to the nearest Mickey D's.
If you weren't even at the show and you're complaining about the setlists then it's like complaining because your friend's mom made meatloaf again.
Maybe it would be a better experience for all if everyone could just relax and be thankful we're having a discussion over the new songs vs the classics.Just a few short years ago there were no classics at all.
All I'm sayin is they better switch that shit up for Chicago, two night runs have different rules..unless they are filming.. 8-)
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more than I get!!!
QuoteHas everyone here noticed how nice I have been the past couple of months? well, sorry
fuck phish
I'd rather listen to Jim James take a dump into a metal trash can over a pay phone while I'm outside in August in Mississippi than see 30 Phish shows in a row where they do not repeat 1 song on their set lists.
and change up your own set list
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this is classic
Quote.......if you were REALLY listening, like say you only download boots religiously, then you would notice the subtle differences in every show...
That's a no-shitter. ;)
QuoteQuote.......if you were REALLY listening, like say you only download boots religiously, then you would notice the subtle differences in every show...
That's a no-shitter. ;)
Atlanta quickly comes to mind, couldn't stop listening to that show this weekend. By far the tightest no nonsense show of the tour...imo :P
The next show I go to I'm bringing a sign that says PLAY WHATEVER YOU WANT
QuoteQuoteQuote.......if you were REALLY listening, like say you only download boots religiously, then you would notice the subtle differences in every show...
That's a no-shitter. ;)
Atlanta quickly comes to mind, couldn't stop listening to that show this weekend. By far the tightest no nonsense show of the tour...imo :P
That is also a no-shitter. ;)
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote.......if you were REALLY listening, like say you only download boots religiously, then you would notice the subtle differences in every show...
That's a no-shitter. ;)
Atlanta quickly comes to mind, couldn't stop listening to that show this weekend. By far the tightest no nonsense show of the tour...imo :P
That is also a no-shitter. ;)
No Shit? ;)
QuoteThe next show I go to I'm bringing a sign that says PLAY WHATEVER YOU WANT
What, no PLAY SOME SKYNARD?
QuoteQuoteThe next show I go to I'm bringing a sign that says PLAY WHATEVER YOU WANT
What, no PLAY SOME SKYNARD?
I think that falls under "Play Whatever You Want."
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I wonder how we'd all react to the shows and the band in general if there was no forum, or internet. What if there was no way for us to access setlists and compare what was played, where, and for how long? Modern communications do seem to take away a lot of anticipation, or at least create a much less mysterious and magical kind.
maybe it's just me, but mmj songs never get old. i don't feel like they OWE me anything, so i don't see the point in bitching about hearing the same song more than once. i've been to back-to-back shows and have heard the songs repeated, but i was EXCITED to hear them, because they all mean something to me.
come to think of it... i don't really think about the actual setlist until the show is over, as i am too busy rocking out.
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QuoteI mean Fuck, carl knew how to play every song BEFORE he joined the band.
I think that is one of the issues. Car does NOT know all of the songs...for example, he doesn't know Lil Billy (per someone who asked for it at one of the sound checks and he said "I don't know that one.")
Anyway, they know all the ISM, most/all of AD and lots of TTF stuff. We're not going to get anything half-assed. When they take their two week break, maybe they'll pull some more out and practice. Otherwise, we should be very thankful that these mother fuckers put up some monster shit, night after night...even if some of them are repeats.
QuoteI wonder how we'd all react to the shows and the band in general if there was no forum, or internet. What if there was no way for us to access setlists and compare what was played, where, and for how long? Modern communications do seem to take away a lot of anticipation, or at least create a much less mysterious and magical kind.
that's a great point. I think back in the day, it was
enough just to see your favorite band. I remember seeing The Who in 1980 and totally being blown away by the fact I was going to be in the same city with Pete Townsend. Setlist? Light show? Obscure songs? Who cares?! it's The Who!
but these days, bands are expected to be more than a band or musicians, etc... b/c we have the technology to know so much about them; that playing their "hits' just isn't enough for some. I think it has spoiled some fans into thinking it's their "right" to hear songs A,B or C.
I am satisfied with just having my cake :)
no one is ungrateful here. So stop saying that. You are simply assuming that I'm ungrateful with nothing to back it up.
And it's not complaining, it is criticism. A big difference. You guys sound like my Ex-Girlfriend who when she starts to lose a debate will just begin to throw in low blows and mean words to beat down her opponent (ME!).
Remember - we are all die hard fans that ALL love this band. Otherwise, no one would be here...
which kinda brings me to my next point (which i know Tracy or BH are gonna eat me alive for this one). Because I have put so much time and love into this band...i kinda feel like I have the right to hear different songs everynight. There, I fuckin said it!
Uh, no. You don't have the right to hear different songs every night because that presumes you have the right to tell someone else (the band) what to do (play).
You do have the right to express your opinion, you do have the right to show up and enjoy or not enjoy a performance, but you do not have the right to dictate what the band plays simply because you've exercised your other rights.
QuoteYou guys sound like my Ex-Girlfriend who when she starts to lose a debate will just begin to throw in low blows and mean words to beat down her opponent (ME!).
Is that the same girlfriend you refused to have sex with b/c you wanted to watch the Okonokos DVD instead? (which you could probably watch anytime for the rest of your life)
I guess I'm just not into the band as much as you are;
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Quoteno one is ungrateful here. So stop saying that. You are simply assuming that I'm ungrateful with nothing to back it up.
And it's not complaining, it is criticism. A big difference. You guys sound like my Ex-Girlfriend who when she starts to lose a debate will just begin to throw in low blows and mean words to beat down her opponent (ME!).
Remember - we are all die hard fans that ALL love this band. Otherwise, no one would be here...
which kinda brings me to my next point (which i know Tracy or BH are gonna eat me alive for this one). Because I have put so much time and love into this band...i kinda feel like I have the right to hear different songs everynight. There, I fuckin said it!
i just checked my acct--i spent 800$ these past 3 days going to philly and boston shows--i have a sense of entitlement, too!!--i wanted to hear steam engine and dancefloors!! ha ha..funky, i'm totally with you--i know it's misplaced, though. i'm happy to hear whatever they wanna play ;-) just sayin--i get it...you should be able to express it on here
this is a pretty interesting debate
i think a lot of peeps are being way too protective of the band and what they choose to do and beating up the poster instead of understanding what he's trying to say.
of course none of us has a say or a right to say anything about what the band plays
but the undercurrent of what funky started to say and has backed up against the attackers is that his comments come from a place of love
i love this band and i too, could listen to Phone Went West and TWTHS 10 times in a row, without getting bored. i just can't say the same for i'm amazed and look at you.
i think we all know the easy answer: if you don't like the setlists, don't go to the shows. or just go to 1 instead of 11.
it's a free-market system, don't like the product, stop buying it.
the original post is about love and a desire for more, but different kinds of love.
it's like sex. sex in any form is generally highly pleasurable experience, even with the same woman for decades.
if you're married or in a LTR, chances are your options are pretty limited, you're probably committed to sex with only one person, BUT there are more different kinds of sex than there are even MMJ songs, so once in a while, it's nice to do the kama sutra instead of missionary
poster isn't saying he's gonna stop loving the band, he's just asking them to mix it up
if i only had sex once a year, i wouldn't care what position it was in because it would only last 2 minutes anyways and it would be mind-blowing the whole time
but if i'm gonna have sex every night or every week or shit, every month, there damn straight better be some peanut butter, glow sticks, and a reptile involved once in a while. otherwise, it just gets boring. even thought its sex
we want to have sex, we just need to mix it up sometimes
the same thing happened with PJ, even this past tour that wasn't in support of an album.
i follow them religiously, but after 70+ shows where night-to-night you're getting 17 of 25 songs the same as the night before, it just gets stale. a desire to follow a band around, led me to MMJ, but now after 12+ shows and 4 on this tour, its getting stale.
i don't know if i'll find another lover that can do it like MMJ and PJ do, so i'm just praying she finds the kama sutra and starts whipping out the salamanders sooner than later
there's just so much potential. who knows why the band plays what they play. it's up to them. and it's up to us to decide if it's worth seeing look at you 12 times for 12 1% chances of hearing it's about twilight now.
but if that 1% were 10% or 20%, it would make a huge difference in my purchasing/band worship decisions
you know what i'm saying?
LOL--speechless
Quotethis is a pretty interesting debate
i think a lot of peeps are being way too protective of the band and what they choose to do and beating up the poster instead of understanding what he's trying to say.
of course none of us has a say or a right to say anything about what the band plays
but the undercurrent of what funky started to say and has backed up against the attackers is that his comments come from a place of love
i love this band and i too, could listen to Phone Went West and TWTHS 10 times in a row, without getting bored. i just can't say the same for i'm amazed and look at you.
i think we all know the easy answer: if you don't like the setlists, don't go to the shows. or just go to 1 instead of 11.
it's a free-market system, don't like the product, stop buying it.
the original post is about love and a desire for more, but different kinds of love.
it's like sex. sex in any form is generally highly pleasurable experience, even with the same woman for decades.
if you're married or in a LTR, chances are your options are pretty limited, you're probably committed to sex with only one person, BUT there are more different kinds of sex than there are even MMJ songs, so once in a while, it's nice to do the kama sutra instead of missionary
poster isn't saying he's gonna stop loving the band, he's just asking them to mix it up
if i only had sex once a year, i wouldn't care what position it was in because it would only last 2 minutes anyways and it would be mind-blowing the whole time
but if i'm gonna have sex every night or every week or shit, every month, there damn straight better be some peanut butter, glow sticks, and a reptile involved once in a while. otherwise, it just gets boring. even thought its sex
we want to have sex, we just need to mix it up sometimes
the same thing happened with PJ, even this past tour that wasn't in support of an album.
i follow them religiously, but after 70+ shows where night-to-night you're getting 17 of 25 songs the same as the night before, it just gets stale. a desire to follow a band around, led me to MMJ, but now after 12+ shows and 4 on this tour, its getting stale.
i don't know if i'll find another lover that can do it like MMJ and PJ do, so i'm just praying she finds the kama sutra and starts whipping out the salamanders sooner than later
there's just so much potential. who knows why the band plays what they play. it's up to them. and it's up to us to decide if it's worth seeing look at you 12 times for 12 1% chances of hearing it's about twilight now.
but if that 1% were 10% or 20%, it would make a huge difference in my purchasing/band worship decisions
you know what i'm saying?
I think so.
It's like, when I read that the setlist from Louisville was similiar to the show I
actually went to in Nashville the night before, I had sex for several hours, spending extra time in the Nunchuck Dove Lisp and Fainting Boisterous Bat positions.
however,
When I read that they played Eveyln
in Atlanta, I had crazy monkey sex, and stayed in the Diverted Nervous Opossum position for hours until my lover called out for Receding Elbow Wombat until the wee hours of the morning until we ended with the magnificent (and dangerous) Stealth Cheetah Swirlee.
MMJ setlists are a lot like sex :)
(and by that, I mean MMJ setlists are in no way, shape, or form like sex)
QuoteQuotethis is a pretty interesting debate
i think a lot of peeps are being way too protective of the band and what they choose to do and beating up the poster instead of understanding what he's trying to say.
of course none of us has a say or a right to say anything about what the band plays
but the undercurrent of what funky started to say and has backed up against the attackers is that his comments come from a place of love
i love this band and i too, could listen to Phone Went West and TWTHS 10 times in a row, without getting bored. i just can't say the same for i'm amazed and look at you.
i think we all know the easy answer: if you don't like the setlists, don't go to the shows. or just go to 1 instead of 11.
it's a free-market system, don't like the product, stop buying it.
the original post is about love and a desire for more, but different kinds of love.
it's like sex. sex in any form is generally highly pleasurable experience, even with the same woman for decades.
if you're married or in a LTR, chances are your options are pretty limited, you're probably committed to sex with only one person, BUT there are more different kinds of sex than there are even MMJ songs, so once in a while, it's nice to do the kama sutra instead of missionary
poster isn't saying he's gonna stop loving the band, he's just asking them to mix it up
if i only had sex once a year, i wouldn't care what position it was in because it would only last 2 minutes anyways and it would be mind-blowing the whole time
but if i'm gonna have sex every night or every week or shit, every month, there damn straight better be some peanut butter, glow sticks, and a reptile involved once in a while. otherwise, it just gets boring. even thought its sex
we want to have sex, we just need to mix it up sometimes
the same thing happened with PJ, even this past tour that wasn't in support of an album.
i follow them religiously, but after 70+ shows where night-to-night you're getting 17 of 25 songs the same as the night before, it just gets stale. a desire to follow a band around, led me to MMJ, but now after 12+ shows and 4 on this tour, its getting stale.
i don't know if i'll find another lover that can do it like MMJ and PJ do, so i'm just praying she finds the kama sutra and starts whipping out the salamanders sooner than later
there's just so much potential. who knows why the band plays what they play. it's up to them. and it's up to us to decide if it's worth seeing look at you 12 times for 12 1% chances of hearing it's about twilight now.
but if that 1% were 10% or 20%, it would make a huge difference in my purchasing/band worship decisions
you know what i'm saying?
I think so.
It's like, when I read that the setlist from Louisville was similiar to the show I actually went to in Nashville the night before, I had sex for several hours, spending extra time in the Nunchuck Dove Lisp and Fainting Boisterous Bat positions.
however,
When I read that they played Eveyln in Atlanta, I had crazy monkey sex, and stayed in the Diverted Nervous Opossum position for hours until my lover called out for Receding Elbow Wombat until the wee hours of the morning until we ended with the magnificent (and dangerous) Stealth Cheetah Swirlee.
MMJ setlists are a lot like sex :)
some of those positions are banned in certain states--ha ha...OMG...this thread MAY beat the gold bond thread. at least you didn't mention the chicken cutlet
I HEAR YA!!!
Let me ask this question to EVERYONE:
Would you like it if My Morning Jacket switched up their set lists more? Yes or No.
QuoteQuoteYou guys sound like my Ex-Girlfriend who when she starts to lose a debate will just begin to throw in low blows and mean words to beat down her opponent (ME!).
Is that the same girlfriend you refused to have sex with b/c you wanted to watch the Okonokos DVD instead? (which you could probably watch anytime for the rest of your life)
I guess I'm just not into the band as much as you are;
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Now you really sound like my Ex-Girlfriend
Don't forget that unlike you, these guys wrote these songs. And they're proud of them and want to play them as much as they can. Just because you like Tennessee Fire more than Evil Urges doesn't mean that they do. They're still extremely proud of these new songs and are going to play them until they get bored of them themselves.
And I hardly think that they aren't switching it up. Opening with Touch Me Pt 2, Mahgeetah, and Anytime within the last week? Evelyn? War Begun? Cobra? Go to one of those shows and tell me it wasn't fresh. I dare you.
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Maybe it would be a better experience for all if everyone could just relax and be thankful we're having a discussion over the new songs vs the classics. Just a few short years ago there were no classics at all.
First, I think the band should play whatever they want to play. Every fan has a different play list they'd make up for each show if they could. And I expect that if each band member independently drew up a list for each show, they'd likewise be different. So no matter what they choose to play, just about everyone could find a quibble every show. But listening to the fan feedback shouldn't hurt their decision making process, hint, hint.
Now, on to the quote from above, and this is just one fan's feedback and opinion. Your's will differ . . .
Actually, they had a wagon load of timeless classics from the very beginning in 1999, including some of the tunes on It Still Moves (One Big Holiday and I Will Sing You Songs). Almost every song on the first two albums are classics. Nine years from now, I'm betting that only half the tunes on the last two albums will be considered classics by the majority of their fans. And nine years from now, if they are still playing and people want to hear the oldies, it will be the oldies from the first three discs that they will mostly be clamoring for and not the oldies from Z and Evil Urges. (If we only had a time machine to take us there and settle that bet!)
Still, if half the tunes on the two newest albums are timeless classics, they are still far better than 99.9% of the other albums released these days. These guys are operating on a different level than most bands.
And oh by the way, if they do change the setlist, I want to hear (fan feedback alert) Hard Helmet and O is the One That is Real next time. And Heart Breaking Man, like One Big, should be in every show! They neglect their EP and singles something awful.
And one last bit about this thread. A whole lot of people have had very little live exposure to the TF and At Dawn tunes (September Blues, oh how I miss you). They never toured as much behind those tunes compared to the ISM, Z and EU songs. That could be a rationale for mixing more of them in for the new fans. On the other hand, the first twenty or so times I heard them they were playing from the same pool of twentyfive or so classics and I never got bored by the set list of those shows.
I spend a lot of time looking at setlists, and setlist trends and I really do like it just how it is. I do understand what your saying Funky and I'm not bashing you, but people tend to look at the setlist with a microscope instead of a wide angle lense, you know what I mean? MMJ sets have songs that come in waves. They went almost a year I think without playing War Begun, then one day, it was back with a vengence! Same with Phone Went West. They never play It Beats 4U anymore, one of my favorites, but it will back. When? One never knows? It's exciting to find out! Just last week we got a Knot Comes Loose one night and a Going To Hell on another. Totally out of the blue! When I heard Masterplan in KC, it was like "Wow, where the fuck did this come from?"
So far in 2008, they have played every song from Evil Urges, all but one from Z, all but two from It Still moves, all but seven from At Dawn, and all but five from Tennesee Fire. That's fifteen songs, two of which they have never played and five of which they have hardly ever played.
They have also played Tonight I Want 2 Celebrate, COBRA!!! (which very few people have ever seen), How Do You Know, Where To Begin, Wonderful (The Way I Feel) and 12 covers.
This is all in a span of 54 shows!
For ten years, Jim has followed approximately the same basic formula for building cool setlists. It's evolutionary, not revolutionary.
They still mix it up more than 95% of bands out there. Are they Phish? No.
I guess my point is, don't worry, the other songs will be back. And I for one, am excited to find out when.
QuoteI HEAR YA!!!
Let me ask this question to EVERYONE:
Would you like it if My Morning Jacket switched up their set lists more? Yes or No.
I've only seen these guys play 4 times since 2003, and I haven't seen any EU songs played live yet. It's been over a year and a half since I saw them last, so I'll be fired up for whatever they throw at me!
But Funky, I'm not trying to condemn you here. To answer your question above, if I had to choose between 'YES' and 'NO', of course I'd choose 'YES'...I think all of us would. But it's nothing new that MMJ tours and plans their setlists in this way, so it's foolish to expect a change, especially if not getting it leads to dissapointment (on some level) in a band you love.
McPickie- I know what your sayin, but right now I'm trying to revive the IT person that read your post behind the scenes as Big Brother watches us all here at work. Currently giving chest compressions, but I am NOT giving mouth to mouth.
I could care less if they rotate their setlist. I'd be happy just to see them but since that ain't happening, I cannot get bored with what I'm not hearing.
We have to remember MMJ is promoting a new album. They are going to play at least 10 tracks from Evil Urges. Which they should, it's a great live album. My only complaint with the setlist is the heavy amount of Z they play. I enjoy Z, but we heard the 6-8 song rotation from the Z tour. No reason why Z should over shadow the 3 previous albums.
The thing I miss from this tour from other Jacket tours is the spontaneity of song placement in the setlist. I never viewed Jacket as having the "grand" Jumpin Jack Flash closer (One Big Holiday) or staple opener. For example, I saw the Stubbs show a few weeks ago and Anytime was awesome as an opener. Brought a breath of fresh air to a song they've been playing for a while. I'm jealous of the folk who saw Touch Me pt. 2 open up the Miami show. I think they should reference the It Still Moves tour and move the songs around. Open with I'm Amazed, follow with Dancefloors and close with Sec Walkin one night. It'll work.
QuoteWe have to remember MMJ is promoting a new album. They are going to play at least 10 tracks from Evil Urges. Which they should, it's a great live album. My only complaint with the setlist is the heavy amount of Z they play. I enjoy Z, but we heard the 6-8 song rotation from the Z tour. No reason why Z should over shadow the 3 previous albums.
The thing I miss from this tour from other Jacket tours is the spontaneity of song placement in the setlist. I never viewed Jacket as having the "grand" Jumpin Jack Flash closer (One Big Holiday) or staple opener. For example, I saw the Stubbs show a few weeks ago and Anytime was awesome as an opener. Brought a breath of fresh air to a song they've been playing for a while. I'm jealous of the folk who saw Touch Me pt. 2 open up the Miami show. I think they should reference the It Still Moves tour and move the songs around. Open with I'm Amazed, follow with Dancefloors and close with Sec Walkin one night. It'll work.
yup! I'm all for that! Just keep us on our toes a little more...thats all!
BTW: For clarence, I'm not being picky about what songs they play and what ones they dont. They could play any songs in any order and I'll be happy. Just a little variety is all....
And I know they've played lots of their material...so I don't want to come across as greedy...but you can't deny they sets are a LITTLE predictable as of recent.
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QuoteI wonder how we'd all react to the shows and the band in general if there was no forum, or internet. What if there was no way for us to access setlists and compare what was played, where, and for how long? Modern communications do seem to take away a lot of anticipation, or at least create a much less mysterious and magical kind.
That happened 40 years ago it was called the Grateful Dead. They started this discussion 40 years ago. Deadheads had no internet, no bit torrents and setlists weren't widely known for quite some time if you didn't get to the show.
this thread certainly produced some passion from both sides as has been evidenced before. now, I hear both sides, the "change it up" and "they are not Phish" arguments I feel are both relatively valid. The overarching thing that seems to be true about Jacket shows is that there is a constructed flow with songs playing specific "parts" in shows. I.e., the revving opener, three song blast of high energy songs, two midtempo songs following a ballad , two song blast of power to rev things up again, it goes in waves. there seem to be these constructed chunks of each show. in this way, the band is not quite like Phish where almost any song could go anywhere. of course, jacket songs are much more traditionally structured then phish songs with a distinct end point, providing much more of an overall structured feel to the show - that is not too say there are not flourishes of improv from the band which of course there are. extending dondante, etc...there is more "color" to the jams then straight up "jamming", slightly different guitar lines, keyboard lines, vocal lines. nonetheless, I think I am still a proponent for mixing this up more with less chunks and more of a free flow but thats just my opinion. I freaking love that they do throw curveballs and open with touch me 2 or something like that...the possibility is always there.
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Maybe it would be a better experience for all if everyone could just relax and be thankful we're having a discussion over the new songs vs the classics. Just a few short years ago there were no classics at all.
First, I think the band should play whatever they want to play. Every fan has a different play list they'd make up for each show if they could. And I expect that if each band member independently drew up a list for each show, they'd likewise be different. So no matter what they choose to play, just about everyone could find a quibble every show. But listening to the fan feedback shouldn't hurt their decision making process, hint, hint.
Now, on to the quote from above, and this is just one fan's feedback and opinion. Your's will differ . . .
Actually, they had a wagon load of timeless classics from the very beginning in 1999, including some of the tunes on It Still Moves (One Big Holiday and I Will Sing You Songs). Almost every song on the first two albums are classics. Nine years from now, I'm betting that only half the tunes on the last two albums will be considered classics by the majority of their fans. And nine years from now, if they are still playing and people want to hear the oldies, it will be the oldies from the first three discs that they will mostly be clamoring for and not the oldies from Z and Evil Urges. (If we only had a time machine to take us there and settle that bet!)
Still, if half the tunes on the two newest albums are timeless classics, they are still far better than 99.9% of the other albums released these days. These guys are operating on a different level than most bands.
I completely agree that there are many classics from the early years.In my previous post I was making a point that we should be thankful for whatever setlist we get because ten years ago we'd never heard them.It still baffles me when play TTF,AD,and ISM.It baffles me in the same way it blows my mind when I listen to Dylan's "Hard Rain" and realize how young he was when he wrote it.This band is on a level not many attain and IMHO it's a matter of respect to appreciate the setlist as it is.Like BH said seeing the changes from one tour to the next is part of the fun.
The stage is theirs and the audience is ours.If they don't tell me how to act in the crowd I sure don't feel it's my place to tell them what to do on the stage.
QuoteQuoteI wonder how we'd all react to the shows and the band in general if there was no forum, or internet. What if there was no way for us to access setlists and compare what was played, where, and for how long? Modern communications do seem to take away a lot of anticipation, or at least create a much less mysterious and magical kind.
That happened 40 years ago it was called the Grateful Dead. They started this discussion 40 years ago. Deadheads had no internet, no bit torrents and setlists weren't widely known for quite some time if you didn't get to the show.
:) It was more of a rhetorical question, but yeah, the early Dead are a great example. Any great band, pre-internet could be considered though.
they better be practicing new songs to play in Berkeley!!!! I wanna hear Death Is My Sleazy Pay, acoustic, or else!
maybe they are tired of playing older songs. yes they are the classics, and they are the songs that hooked people, but MMJ is not the same band they were 5 years ago. i would imagine that they are trying to incorporate newer tunes because its a whole different band, and maybe they enjoy playing the more complex new tunes. i enjoy the old stuff as much as anyone, but are they supposed to be playing the same setlist from at dawn and TTF? no. that's why they write and release new albums.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI wonder how we'd all react to the shows and the band in general if there was no forum, or internet. What if there was no way for us to access setlists and compare what was played, where, and for how long? Modern communications do seem to take away a lot of anticipation, or at least create a much less mysterious and magical kind.
That happened 40 years ago it was called the Grateful Dead. They started this discussion 40 years ago. Deadheads had no internet, no bit torrents and setlists weren't widely known for quite some time if you didn't get to the show.
:) It was more of a rhetorical question, but yeah, the early Dead are a great example. Any great band, pre-internet could be considered though.
Well not too sure about that, respectfully of course. My DeadBase is as thick as a dictionary and has a complete inventory of 30 yrs of shows. I don't think any band could do that. They really did cut the mold for the concert business we all know today, fan based ticket sales, taping/trading of shows and in large part, it was due to the surprise element of the setlists.
Someday, I hope to own a thick, heavy JACKETBASE that chronicles 30 yrs of setlists.
hey dude i hear what your saying but some people's heads are thicker than others...i love the jacket as well although i dont get on here and post much becuz i cant figure out how to change my password and really just dont feel like fuckin with it...but anyways...i dont think the band is tryin to go in the direction of wsp or the dead as in setlist wise....sometimes i wish they would but wish in one hand and shit in the other....i dont care really what they play...i was suppose to go to the lville show but in the course of moving to jackson ms...we got broke real quick...so i dont give a shit what they play when i see them considering it wont be until next year now. i do think that too many people on here take up for the band though. dude was just tryin to make convo and you get jumped on. its bullshit. sure would love to see that strangulation pulled out soon if it hasnt already. got one my first show in dallas of 05? so sweet...i have been to plenty of panic and changin of sets does add more excitement in the sense that you have to go to more shows to get that one or two or that master show you always wanted...just my two cents. have fun blastin my ass on this
Quotesure would love to see that strangulation pulled out soon if it hasnt already. got one my first show in dallas of 05? so sweet...
that was Dallas '04 dickhead. Gah!
thank you brother...still waiting on that highway thru the danger zone
Having been to a ton of dead, phish, moe and other shows I do agree in a way. Despite how difficult it may be, there are many bands in the past that have been able to change things up. I will admit that some of the bands I've seen do this don't always play every song as tight as I've seen MMJ. The first time I went to a Weezer show and they played one set an hour long I was really confused. MMJ is somewhere in between these two types of shows and they don't really cater to people going on tour the way phish or the dead did but that doesn't seem to be their crowd. That's why I didn't plan to see any shows this fall after seeing MMJ at radiocity. For long-time fans like myself it is a bit disappointing to not hear their older stuff, but you can't deny them putting together their most rockin' show possible. I said it 7 years ago when I stumbled upon them at bonnarro- this band is IT.
Portland, OR 9/27...nuff' said ;)
i was supposed to be at that show...
the issue of setlist variety is a totally legit one, IMHO. no reason a band like MMJ shouldn't be shuffling in songs from all over the place night in and night out.
Forget Phish, Panic, Dead, etc... in this discussion, MMJ is never going to do no-repeat shows. that's just not going to happen. A MUCH better comparison would be Pearl Jam or DMB (strictly in terms of set variation...obviously). those bands maybe switch up half of their sets from night to night, while constantly playing the classics, singles, etc.
I was A-ok w/ the variation between the recent Tempe & Tucson shows in arizona... The tucson show featured 10 songs not played the previously night... that's just fine. (not to mention, a lot of songs those 2 nights weren't even heard @ bonnaroo this year). Opening w/ The Dark in tempe was a remarkably pleasant surprise, and sprinkling in The Bear, War Begun, Just One THing and Into the Woods @ the Tucson show was just icing on the cake.
I like my morning jacket. No, I love them. I feel truly lucky when they decide to have their tour come near my town or when I save up enough money to travel and get the chance to see them. When I get to the venue I only care about one thing....watching them and listening to them play....I really don't care what they play, because quite frankley, they give it 100% on every song, and every song rocks. Have they been playing many of the same songs at each stop this tour? Yes. Is it really that big of a deal? No, unless you are truly ungrateful.
I will admit, I am a big Pearl Jam fan. And one of my favorite things to do before one of their shows is to speculate which songs will pop up on their ever changing setlists. Will I hear my favorites? Will I hear one of the obscure and less played songs? Will Eddie forget the words to one of the songs? What covers will they play? Either way though, at the end of the night, I leave the venue totally rocked and pumped that I got to see one of my favorite bands play.
We all have favorite songs. I have been to 5 Jacket shows and still haven't seen some of the songs that I want to see. But you know what, its all good. It will come, sooner or later, the song that I want to hear will be played. But for now, I just thank the powers that be that I am able to watch this amazing band put on the incredible live show that they do.
Its a beautiful ride, this wave that the band is traveling on right now. Even with all the pub they have been getting they are still a relatively lesser known band in the mainstream. At the miami show there were empty seats at a 2000 seat venue. They are still "our" band, and each night it feels as if they are playing to "us" Jim still looks directly in your eyes when your in the front row up against the stage, and the whole band appreciates your support. Some of that stuff can go away when a band gets big and loses the intimate venues.
So appreicate the wonderfulness that is MMJ right now, and stop complaining. I love you.
Haldon