Ok, so ive been reading alot of post on here about this mini tour being somewhat dissapointing. some are feeling let down by the performance, and many are having issues with rude and obnoxious fans. I am attending the show in cary next week and after reading said posts I am concerned about what to expect. in my opinion, more and more people are growing to like MMJ and the crowds are getting bigger. this came to my attention at the MSG show on new years. the show was spectacular, however during softer songs i.e. golden, it was hard to drown out the socializing to hear the music. several beers were spilled on me and my friends, and a guy even threw up on my shoulder. I noticed alot of fraternity guys there pounding beers, fighting, texting, etc... my question is, do you guys think that MMJ shows are becoming more of a socializing event almost compared to that at dave matthews band show? I use to enjoy going to DMB shows way back when, but have stopped going because its nothing but a glorified frat party. I pray this does not happen to MMJ. I am in no way at all comparing the bands, but the crowds are becoming similar. just my opinion, please add. Thanks -Trey
trey, I have seen the Jacket 14x over the past 7 years and the show in Nashville was not disappointing. I was also able to block out all the "distractions" and focus on the music and the show. If I sat there and sent out negative vibes to all the people losing their minds or not paying attention or throwing glowsticks, etc... then I am toast. I focus on the music, move with the energy, add my own positive energy to the crowd and let it all flow through me. In the end, I leave satisifed and humming MMJ tunes for the next few days.
It is what it is. :)
awesome attitude to have, thanks!
Yeah, show yesterday was a blast. Crowd shouldn't be a worry. Let people enjoy how they choose to enjoy. Plus, if you get front row you don't have to worry about other people. Set lists could be a little more varied, but what are you gonna do? Songs w/ PHJB are incredible. Enjoy the ride. It's a lot better to talk about small issues w/ the ongoing shows than to speculate about when they will be going on tour again.
just watched some video from Nashville. and am wondering how anyone can be dissapointed with an opener like that. the opening alone was worth the ticket price
Quotejust watched some video from Nashville. and am wondering how anyone can be dissapointed with an opener like that. the opening alone was worth the ticket price
this?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YyaGPu7zPc[/media]
QuoteQuotejust watched some video from Nashville. and am wondering how anyone can be dissapointed with an opener like that. the opening alone was worth the ticket price
this?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YyaGPu7zPc[/media]
:D :D Must survive week. Must survive week. Must survive week. :D :D :D
no, this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHBHgP3zJkE
Quoteno, this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHBHgP3zJkE
That's a pretty sweet way to open the show, damn!
This is an older demographic than DMB's without a fucking doubt. The young kids will always fuck shit up, that's what minor's do.
Quotejust watched some video from Nashville. and am wondering how anyone can be dissapointed with an opener like that. the opening alone was worth the ticket price
Ditto! Can't wait for MPP!
You can't let them beat you. Don't let them win. It's your duty to bring the positive energy to the show.
Positive energy can be channeled into 20 cock punches - they're not mutually exclusive.
Don't let them win. They're not loyal fans, if we abandon the band, then they've got less food because they feed on our energy. You don't want more starving artists, do you?
The frat boys will move on as soon as the next Dane Cook emerges and Kings of Leon make another derivative of "Use Somebody"
Besides, history only remembers the good fans. If we all abandon, then the good fans can't be remembered. I'm sure there were crowds of douches at the Last Waltz, Roxy & Elsewhere, and Fillmores on both coasts. No one remembers the shows for the shitty fans, it's the band thanking the loyal diehards that get immortalized.
QuoteYou can't let them beat you. Don't let them win. It's your duty to bring the positive energy to the show.
Positive energy can be channeled into 20 cock punches - they're not mutually exclusive.
Don't let them win. They're not loyal fans, if we abandon the band, then they've got less food because they feed on our energy. You don't want more starving artists, do you?
The frat boys will move on as soon as the next Dane Cook emerges and Kings of Leon make another derivative of "Use Somebody"
Besides, history only remembers the good fans. If we all abandon, then the good fans can't be remembered. I'm sure there were crowds of douches at the Last Waltz, Roxy & Elsewhere, and Fillmores on both coasts. No one remembers the shows for the shitty fans, it's the band thanking the loyal diehards that get immortalized.
So true!I was at the Nashville show and I'm happy to say, still enjoying the post show groove four days later.
I could've done without the arrogant prick standing next to me texting on his iphone all night and seeing Jim smacked in the face with glow sticks but when I think back all I see is my favorite band rocking out.Looking back I see Jim with his cape on and back to the crowd slightly bent over and grooving right along with the fans.I see the PHJB jammin' with the boys during "Highly Suspicious" and the few rows of fans in front of me moving to the sounds.Everything The Jacket brings to a show is still there,fully intact.The loyal fanbase is still evident and as strong as ever.Those few little pricks who infiltrated the goodness are merely tiny ants on the floor of the Taj Mahal.Pay them no mind and carry on fellow Jacketeers,the ROCK is alive and well! :D
The ATL show seemed to be like a big Frat party, at least in the area we were located. There were a handful of true fans and the rest were the casual fans that were too busy socializing to pay attention to the show and people were constantly walking in front of you. The show was good overall, but paled in comparison to the other shows I have been to which include the Filmore in SF and Radio City's epic set. No way am I losing faith in the band, its just when you haven't seen them in so long I was wanting a killer show.
QuoteQuoteQuotejust watched some video from Nashville. and am wondering how anyone can be dissapointed with an opener like that. the opening alone was worth the ticket price
this?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YyaGPu7zPc[/media]
:D :D Must survive week. Must survive week. Must survive week. :D :D :D
I know right!? Saturday cannot come soon enough. That video game me ridiculous chills
QuoteThe ATL show seemed to be like a big Frat party, at least in the area we were located. There were a handful of true fans and the rest were the casual fans that were too busy socializing to pay attention to the show and people were constantly walking in front of you. The show was good overall, but paled in comparison to the other shows I have been to which include the Filmore in SF and Radio City's epic set. No way am I losing faith in the band, its just when you haven't seen them in so long I was wanting a killer show.
If you are in a GA area and hate the people around you I recommend moving away from them. Unfortunately you can't control how other people enjoy the show but you can control how much you enjoy it. The worst thing you can do if you are pissed at people around you is stay there and ruin your own experience.
I went to atlanta, and i'll say this....
You know as far as the crowd goes, I can't really complain too much... that just comes and goes... but what i can complain about is the lack of diversity in the setlist. not one song off of at dawn or tennessee fire. three off it still moves and one nice little gem in where to begin...
I hate being that guy, but come on. i understand you have to continually experiment with albums, but at the shows throw us older fans a bone for christ's sake. i believe it is quite lazy and lame to rely on the same setlist as well every show.
Ya'll are all right saying that we should just get over it and let them go the way their going, but i dont have to quietly... this band has meant way too much to me over the years to see this.
How does mmj play a show without some of the following?
at dawn
STEAM ENGINE
phone went west
lowdown
evelyn
the bear
the way that he sings
i will sing you songs
just my .02 cents
carry on.
I completely agree - I've been mildly bitchin' here and there in a few threads - haven't been to my show yet (Sat) so don't want to let loose with both barrels prematurely. I also am trying hard to avoid being "that guy".
Shocking to me that with no new album, they would tour with a setlist LESS diverse than the one when I saw them on the EU tour in 08.
ps. that was 2.5 songs off ISM, not 3 ;)
i agree... i saw basically the same set 3 nights B ham Nashvegas and Jazzfest... Im bummed too because Two Tone was quoted in the AL Chronicle that they were going to "dust off some oldies" with that said I was expecting at least a bear.
Still STELLAR shows though.
However I think touring with the pres hall band has restricted them to a structured setlist if that makes any sense. If i could have gotten into pres hall on saturday i would have seen at dawn knot comes loose dondante and wonderful the way i feel but whatever.
As far as the drunk fans... seriously people need to get over this...it happens at every concert you go to. I'm 24 and I live in New Orleans, if you got problems with drunk fans come to Tipitina's for a show that doesn't start til 11pm with Ms Maes a couple blocks down the street. Some older "heads" are complaining about the youngins ruining their experiences at these shows, grow up kids are getting rowdy while they are young and seeing Jacket. Does any more need to be said??? Whatever though complain all you want, I recommend buying a couple beers and getting over it rather than tripping over some frat dudes while Carl rips a mean sax solo over Dondante.
That's my rant. Its been a good 5 to 6 days :D I've seen Jacket 3 times The Black Crowes, Pres hall with Yim, The Allman Bros, Levon Helm, and I just got off a riverboat cruise down the Miss. with Claypool 10 hours ago ;D im faded time to go back to reality
I'm not complaining about the kids at all...I'm complaining about the 35 yo accountant behind me who wouldn't shut up during Golden and couldn't hold his liquor. ;D
Quotetrey, I have seen the Jacket 14x over the past 7 years and the show in Nashville was not disappointing. I was also able to block out all the "distractions" and focus on the music and the show. If I sat there and sent out negative vibes to all the people losing their minds or not paying attention or throwing glowsticks, etc... then I am toast. I focus on the music, move with the energy, add my own positive energy to the crowd and let it all flow through me. In the end, I leave satisifed and humming MMJ tunes for the next few days.
It is what it is. :)
I agree, Tracy...even if the circumstances are less than ideal, a Jacket show can really never be a disappointment. I also try to get into that "zone" where I can focus on the music - and most of the time I can, because the music is that powerful - but damn if the distractions didn't get the best of me in Nashville.
Not a huge fan of the similar setlists either. I figured they had a year off, so it's not too crazy to think that maybe they focused on being able to play a certain number of songs very well. The show at the AL Theater, i noticed about 45 seconds into OBH that the boys were not rusty at all. Which was very impressive. So, maybe that's why we've been getting similar setlists. Otherwise, they have 5 albums proper, several eps, & 2 b-side albums to pull songs from so i don't really see the need for the same setlist every night.
The fact that the setlists cull most of their songs from Z and Evil Urges is just sad. I'm sorry, but the weakest songs are on Evil Urges.
My biggest letdown was ending a show with a cover or 3. I'm all about covers when the time is right, but the Jacket has enough songs that covers hardly ever need to be played. At least make the last song an original. And i know it's been for the benefit of PHJB, but those guys can play along with more than 4 of MMJ's tunes. Dancefloors? Phone Went West? They Ran? Dear Wife?
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?
I don't want to misquote, but I talked to Tommy after the Nashville show and asked him about this tour..That it seemed short, ect.. He basically said it was to warm back up and that they were going to head into the studio very soon.
That could explain a bit about the setlist. They aren't necessarily playing to bring out all the old tunes, but to get back into "musical shape" for the studio.. At least what is what I got from him.. COULD be wrong..?..
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My biggest letdown was ending a show with a cover or 3. I'm all about covers when the time is right, but the Jacket has enough songs that covers hardly ever need to be played. At least make the last song an original. And i know it's been for the benefit of PHJB, but those guys can play along with more than 4 of MMJ's tunes. Dancefloors? Phone Went West? They Ran? Dear Wife?
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?
Yeah, I think theyre playing those covers bc of PHJB, but I remember Jim being quoted in 08 or 09 saying that they dont really play covers unless its a set at a festival or NYE show or something because they want the show to be a MMJ experience. I'll take Move On Up, but after that give me some originals to finish off the show.
I havent looked at setlists since the 2nd show, so Im still holding up hope they switch it up a little by the time MPP comes around.
honestly I do not care what they play, I just want to see good energy from both the band and the crowd, good weather, no band members getting hit with projectiles, and no falling off the stage for Jim! -Trey
QuoteQuoteThe ATL show seemed to be like a big Frat party, at least in the area we were located. There were a handful of true fans and the rest were the casual fans that were too busy socializing to pay attention to the show and people were constantly walking in front of you. The show was good overall, but paled in comparison to the other shows I have been to which include the Filmore in SF and Radio City's epic set. No way am I losing faith in the band, its just when you haven't seen them in so long I was wanting a killer show.
If you are in a GA area and hate the people around you I recommend moving away from them. Unfortunately you can't control how other people enjoy the show but you can control how much you enjoy it. The worst thing you can do if you are pissed at people around you is stay there and ruin your own experience.
Yeah unfortunately we were in the seated area which constitued the vast majority of the complex. I saw some GA areas, but those were pretty far back. It didn't ruin our experience, as my sister-in-law loved the show (it was her first), and my wife felt the same way. I just being picky I guess.
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How does mmj play a show without some of the following?
at dawn
STEAM ENGINE
phone went west
lowdown
evelyn
the bear
the way that he sings
i will sing you songs
just my .02 cents
carry on.
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+1, my thoughts exactly. Maybe even throw in a little Cobra or something else from an EP.
QuoteYou can't let them beat you. Don't let them win. It's your duty to bring the positive energy to the show.
Don't let them win. They're not loyal fans, if we abandon the band, then they've got less food because they feed on our energy.
As Jim said in Nashville, "You guys are hun-gry and you feeed. You're
hun-gry and you feeed. You're hun-gry......and you feeeed."
Quotehonestly I do not care what they play, I just want to see good energy from both the band and the crowd, good weather, no band members getting hit with projectiles, and no falling off the stage for Jim! -Trey
so true!
I always figured they never played much off of TTF & At Dawn because Johnny played a big part in the creation of those songs. I suppose It Still Moves is the exception since that seems to be the year/tour Carl/Bo joined. But I always figured this line up preferred Z/Evil Urges songs simply for the fact that they are a collection of songs the 5 of the current members wrote together, unlike the earlier albums.
I'm with everybody for the most part though, they have too many great songs, they need to mix it up come summer tour. Glad they are back. The ATL show seemed a little sleepy compared to 4/20.
QuoteI always figured they never played much off of TTF & At Dawn because Johnny played a big part in the creation of those songs. I suppose It Still Moves is the exception since that seems to be the year/tour Carl/Bo joined. But I always figured this line up preferred Z/Evil Urges songs simply for the fact that they are a collection of songs the 5 of the current members wrote together, unlike the earlier albums.
I'm with everybody for the most part though, they have too many great songs, they need to mix it up come summer tour. Glad they are back. The ATL show seemed a little sleepy compared to 4/20.
I never thought of it like that. You are a wise man.
QuoteQuoteI always figured they never played much off of TTF & At Dawn because Johnny played a big part in the creation of those songs. I suppose It Still Moves is the exception since that seems to be the year/tour Carl/Bo joined. But I always figured this line up preferred Z/Evil Urges songs simply for the fact that they are a collection of songs the 5 of the current members wrote together, unlike the earlier albums.
I'm with everybody for the most part though, they have too many great songs, they need to mix it up come summer tour. Glad they are back. The ATL show seemed a little sleepy compared to 4/20.
I never thought of it like that. You are a wise man.
While I rarely think of Sticky as a "wise man ;) ," I think he may have something here...
And I completely agree that the summer tour should have many different things in store.
God dammit Crispyy why do you have to ruin my little moment? obsession is a bitch.
Sorry, Sticky...but you are still THE MAN. And you and I seriously need to meet up at one of those summer shows. Colorado, preferably.
QuoteSorry, Sticky...but you are still THE MAN. And you and I seriously need to meet up at one of those summer shows. Colorado, preferably.
but I want to be wise. being wise is WAY different than being "THE MAN". fuckin a dude. what am I suppose to do now with my life? I'm screwed. my street cred is gone now. I'm going to get my ass beat tomorrow for sure. thanks again crispyy. [smiley=embarassed.gif]
QuoteQuoteSorry, Sticky...but you are still THE MAN. And you and I seriously need to meet up at one of those summer shows. Colorado, preferably.
but I want to be wise. being wise is WAY different than being "THE MAN". fuckin a dude. what am I suppose to do now with my life? I'm screwed. my street cred is gone now. I'm going to get my ass beat tomorrow for sure. thanks again crispyy. [smiley=embarassed.gif]
Street cred is for shit, man. MMJ forum cred is worth its weight in gold, and "wisdom" will always be overrated.
QuoteQuoteQuoteSorry, Sticky...but you are still THE MAN. And you and I seriously need to meet up at one of those summer shows. Colorado, preferably.
but I want to be wise. being wise is WAY different than being "THE MAN". fuckin a dude. what am I suppose to do now with my life? I'm screwed. my street cred is gone now. I'm going to get my ass beat tomorrow for sure. thanks again crispyy. [smiley=embarassed.gif]
Street cred is for shit, man. MMJ forum cred is worth its weight in gold, and "wisdom" will always be overrated.
I guess you're right. I've been listening to Alan Watts a little bit lately. I'm going to go meditate on this shit. thanks crispyy I do love you, probably sexually but I'm not sure yet. you're like a sexual object to me an nothing more, no offense. that's why I got so offended at first. but then I remembered you're just a hoe ass trick and I aint need be sweatin yo game.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSorry, Sticky...but you are still THE MAN. And you and I seriously need to meet up at one of those summer shows. Colorado, preferably.
but I want to be wise. being wise is WAY different than being "THE MAN". fuckin a dude. what am I suppose to do now with my life? I'm screwed. my street cred is gone now. I'm going to get my ass beat tomorrow for sure. thanks again crispyy. [smiley=embarassed.gif]
Street cred is for shit, man. MMJ forum cred is worth its weight in gold, and "wisdom" will always be overrated.
I guess you're right. I've been listening to Alan Watts a little bit lately. I'm going to go meditate on this shit. thanks crispyy I do love you, probably sexually but I'm not sure yet. you're like a sexual object to me an nothing more, no offense. that's why I got so offended at first. but then I remembered you're just a hoe ass trick and I aint need be sweatin yo game.
:o :o :o :o
I an't no ho, bitch. You need to be givin me the love if you givin me anythang.
Ohh jesus, now I need to go meditate.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSorry, Sticky...but you are still THE MAN. And you and I seriously need to meet up at one of those summer shows. Colorado, preferably.
but I want to be wise. being wise is WAY different than being "THE MAN". fuckin a dude. what am I suppose to do now with my life? I'm screwed. my street cred is gone now. I'm going to get my ass beat tomorrow for sure. thanks again crispyy. [smiley=embarassed.gif]
Street cred is for shit, man. MMJ forum cred is worth its weight in gold, and "wisdom" will always be overrated.
I guess you're right. I've been listening to Alan Watts a little bit lately. I'm going to go meditate on this shit. thanks crispyy I do love you, probably sexually but I'm not sure yet. you're like a sexual object to me an nothing more, no offense. that's why I got so offended at first. but then I remembered you're just a hoe ass trick and I aint need be sweatin yo game.
:o :o :o :o
I an't no ho, bitch. You need to be givin me the love if you givin me anythang.
Ohh jesus, now I need to go meditate.
do you see what your negativity caused? sweet jesus.