My Morning Jacket

I know that the Bon Jovi show was down the road at the Bridgestone Arena. But I wonder if they had more intelligent & respectful fans there than we did at the half-empty Municipal Auditorium last night.

There's very little that I can attribute the rude and rowdy mess I experienced down front by stage other than to the abuse of drugs and alcohol. It was sick, and not in the good way that Dondante, Smokin from Shootin, OTR, or Run Thru was.

I have loved this band more than any other in recent years.

And I cannot complain that the set last night was not one of the best. And I cannot complain that the fans I stood near didn't know the songs; in fact, folks knew all the words to every song, even to some of the covers I did not recognize.

The thick and sticky ganja smoke was bad enough, but the cigarette smoke was excessive and puke worthy. Does MMJ attract that many people addicted to nicotine, with no respect for their neighbors, or the indoor smoking ban in our fine state of Tennessee?

For too many years, I went to Jacket shows wasted. I imagine what I saw last night was probably karmic payback for my own stupidity on previous MMJ benders. But the experience of seeing the jacket sober was seriously diminished by the antics of my drunken peers.

Not once, but multiple times, Yim was pelted with glowsticks. Many frontfolk would not have his grace and professionalism and would have walked off stage.

Lots of people who are not drug addicts or alcoholics can handle their buzz and respect their neighbors. However, in the crowd at the Jacket last night, I saw far too many people too fucked up to care that some people do not want to be groped, bumped, ass-grabbed, screamed at, or have giant wafts of nasty tobacco smoke blown in their faces for the sake of *your* good time.

I know that if I want to be sober and still go to shows, I need to put up with stuff like this. However, I hope better for the Jacket and their incredibly dedicated fanbase. Please, handle your buzz & respect your neighbor or get the help that I needed to get & get clean & sober.

Rant over. Forgive me my rant as I forgive y'all for what I saw last night.

Peace,
A

I was going to post something about the glow sticks, but couln't find the thread where someone suggested a glow stick fest.

I just have to say, the band handled being pelted with glow sticks with true CLASS.  Jim was hit in the face twice but kept composure.  He didn't seem to mind, but I actually had some dreadlocked fuck in front of me throw one that landed right in Jim's face, then high-fived his buddy!  What a dick!

Keep the glow sticks at home, or at least off the stage.  Otherwise, they'll be putting up chickenwire!

Sorry man that you had a bad time crowd wise.  I was going to ask how the crowds were this time out.  Those fucking glowsticks have got to go.  They only cause trouble.  Sounds like Jim handled it with total class though.  I don't think I would have .  I've really started to notice the problems with the crowds over the last few yrs, and not just with MMJ.  It seems that nowadays its almost like a night out at the bars for some folks.  Who cares what band is playing.   At the Philly show in 08, I had to move 4 times till I actually found an area where there were fans actually listening to the music.  Not talking on their fucking cellphones or to their stupid friends or getting all fucked up and falling down.  Some of these clown defintely spent more money on beer than the show itself and then probably didn't remember a minute of it.  Sorry I love music and this band too much to get  all fucked up and then forget what I just listened to.  I have no problem with people getting a buzz on if they just respect the people around them.  I guess a lot of them around you did not.  And that sucks.    

Seriously frustrating stuff....sorry to hear it!  

As an elder (39 yo) fan, I do hope not to have to deal with these sorts of fools at MPP.  Don't get me wrong...I like to have a few beers at a show, but I get totally CRAZY when an audience is sloppy and particularly disrespectful like that.  

And don't mess with JJ.....what a class act he is - as ever.  

You know, I can agree with everything except the smoke. I don't even do it (anymore) but if there's one place I think it's more than appropriate, it's a concert. If there was a time I would do it again, it'd be at a show. It'd feel wrong not having a little skunk in the air at a show.

There's a give and a take...while it's one thing to have someone blowing it directly on you, it's another to complain about the general presence of it. I know they don't have a legal right, but morally...I think they have a right to enhance their experience as well.

Also, I'm somewhat surprised by the prevalence of asshats. I've heard the horror stories from my last show (NYE '08), but I always expect a more mellowed out, communal crowd at a Jacket show.

Now a Ween show, that's where I debate bringing my fiancee because she constantly gets groped.

Although some might expect a Jacket crowd to be a little more respectful, youre going to run into this stuff at any show with more than a few hundred people. Kind of naive not to expect it, especially how big the crowds have gotten more recently for MMJ

QuoteYou know, I can agree with everything except the smoke. I don't even do it (anymore) but if there's one place I think it's more than appropriate, it's a concert. If there was a time I would do it again, it'd be at a show. It'd feel wrong not having a little skunk in the air at a show.

There's a give and a take...while it's one thing to have someone blowing it directly on you, it's another to complain about the general presence of it. I know they don't have a legal right, but morally...I think they have a right to enhance their experience as well.

Yeah, the smoke has never bothered me either.  Disrespectful fans though, that is another story.

why did you have to lump the stoners in with your groveling? we aren't all disrespectful idiots.  Although I will say underage drinking is probably the most likely cause for any douchebaggery at a show.  Some lil dudes and chicks just do not know how to hold their alcohol.

as for the cigarette smoke... get over it.

I have to say that a big part of the reason I enjoyed the B'ham show more than the Nashville show was the crowd.  The Nashville crowd was really pretty disrespectful, both to the band and to their fellow fans.

It almost made we want to avoid future GA shows, but I'm not skipping MPP  ;D  The only solution I can see is that we forum folk have to take over the pit...   ;D

Seriously, the stoned ones are typically the most respectful and zoned into the music.  The alcohol is the powderkeg for the rest.  And seriously, if you want to chill and watch MMJ, sit toward the back.  Let the kids f%cking rock for chrissake.   We all were 17-21 once and it ruled getting f'd up and going to shows, making out with girls, etc, etc.  Concerts are a right of passage and good for them for passing through that time of life with a great band like MMJ.   I'm 34 now and stay out of the mellee for the most part... however not once do I look down upon the kids rocking their faces off.    Now if its a 30+ "adult" who is being an a$$, that's a different story.  

QuoteSeriously, the stoned ones are typically the most respectful and zoned into the music.  The alcohol is the powderkeg for the rest.  And seriously, if you want to chill and watch MMJ, sit toward the back.  Let the kids f%cking rock for chrissake.   We all were 17-21 once and it ruled getting f'd up and going to shows, making out with girls, etc, etc.  Concerts are a right of passage and good for them for passing through that time of life with a great band like MMJ.   I'm 34 now and stay out of the mellee for the most part... however not once do I look down upon the kids rocking their faces off.    Now if its a 30+ "adult" who is being an a$$, that's a different story.  

Just to be clear...you're ok with the glow sticks  to Jim's face, groping, falling down drunks and ass grabbing?

That's to be expected and accepted at shows now?  That's all ok in the name of "let the kids rock"?

I'm all  for partying,& rocking faces off, but I'm with the op,there has to be a line that's drawn at some point.

Have all the fun you want, just don't f-up someone elses.

I agree with most of this, however, I'm 28 and I still enjoy getting fucked up and making out with girls.

Anu, I definently see your point and I have been on both sides.

Last time I saw Jacket in 08 at Nashville Riverfront, I stayed in the back and watched. I did not want to get in the Krunk, and watching the Krunk in front of the stage, I was GLAD that I had chosen wisely.

But last night, I had to be up in it; up in all that Krunk. And 20 seconds into the cymbal ride of OBH, I was covered in beer; and I don't drink. And the guy next to me, losing his ever loving freaking mind? Well, it was either sink or swim and there was absolutely no way in hell I was going to get that guy to "calm down". So, I bounced, I went with his energy, I accpeted the other guys apologies for falling into me (over and over and over again) and just said, "It's cool. We are all right here! Just watch the elbows". I've been in much smokier venues and didn't notice the smoke. And, by God, this 47 year old did happen to bump a few folks, I accidently grinded up on some folks, I blocked a view or 2 and landed on some feet, but it's all in the name of rock and roll.

It's a young man's game and if I want to be up in the Krunk, I got to know the "rules". Now I can't figure out for the life of me why people would throw glow sticks at the artists (and my 15 year old nephew even had enough common sense to throw them away from the guy on stage with the guitar) but watching yy get through it with grace helped me not to worry about it so much.

I sort of wish it were different, back 7 years ago when you could see the Jacket with about 60 people, but watching them last night work the crowd into a frenzy made me happy.

Somethimes the Krunk calls me and I throw caution to the wind; other times it doesn't and I sit back. And a time, for every purpose under heaven.

My first show was at the Fox in ATL on the last tour. My experience wasn't so much smoking but the drinnking. The girl behind me was sloshing her drink all over me all night to finally spill the whole thing on me. She apologized but I was livid that she had been doing that all night.  I do not smoke, but I found it funny that people actually lit up in the Fox, risking getting kicked out. I was also annoyed with people talking through really moving parts of the music like none of it really mattered. I understand having a good time but do you even REALIZE theres a connection being made between fans and the band that you're interrupting?

I also have to say the only true hanging offense is pelting the band with glow sticks. I would support a posse of individuals to go find the d-bags, who probably all pop their collars, and every time they launch a glowstick at the band, they get 20 cockpunches.

I wrote a few words on the Nashville thread about the show and tried to stay positive but sadly this thread is true.Apparently a pack of wolves got a copy of "Evil Urges" and the young men they were raising took a liking to it.Clearly they learned the words to the songs by repetition because they were unable to read the giant orange NO SMOKING sign hanging on the wall.While these wolves didn't teach the young male humans to read they certainly spent some time fine tuning their cannibis growing skills.I'm 44 yrs old and also realize we were at a rock concert and not church so I'm not offended when I catch a whiff.However,an indoor venue with a non smoking policy is probably not the most respectful place to fire up.Now on to the glowsticks.
I fully expected Jim to stop playing and dare another person to smack him in the face with a glowstick but that's not really Jim.He had actual parents that taught him basic rules and manners from an early age.Perhaps the glowstick fanatics would like it if we arranged to have them pelted in the face with neon weapons at their jobs.Nothing says lovin' like having solid objects thrown at you while you're in the zone,rocking out with you eyes half closed,near the edge of a five foot drop off.I'm sure Jim's just itching to take another fall from a stage since he survived the last one.IDIOTS! PLEASE LISTEN TO ME NOW!When someone is giving you the wonderful gift of song you can thank them in many ways such as applause,waving arms in the air and even the occasional,"WE LOVE YOU JIM".These are all perfectly acceptable and appropriate ways to convey your thank you.Throwing objects at him is always BAD.If you can't resist the urge to smuggle cases of glowsticks into the show with total disregard for the other fans and band members then please do us all a favor and stay home.I don't want to know what's going on in the head of anyone who thinks it's ok to throw objects at the band.Throwing them around the crowd at other fans is bad enough but hitting Jim in the face countless times is just purely embarrassing for those of us raised by actual human parents.Jim has too much class to react to this but maybe it's time the "Jacketeers Against Glowsticks" unite and show them how much fun a stun gun can be.

Blatant thread-jack:

Anu? Did you bring the new issue of Rolling Stone with you to the show??

if that is your picture in your avatar you look awfully familiar...



back on topic:

yes I was in the thick of it about 4 and 1/2 people from the rail in front of Yim's mic and I witnessed plenty of the behavior Anu was referring to. tons of it. It was for sure plenty of people's first time at a rock show... but that's the thing; it's a rock show and people will drink and smoke and act rowdy.

BUUUUT how about people screaming and hooting during the quiet songs. 4 sweaty long haired piss ass drunk 18-19 yearolds pushed their way up to my happy little good vibes area and started screaming their heads off during Golden... I hope one day they will realize that it is OK to BE QUIET during quiet songs.

*funny side note* one of the drunk dudes took off his tennis shoe and started holding it up in the air like the statue of liberty's torch. when I saw this I looked at him and smiled and he said to me "what? I'm just trying to show my love"

...can't blame a guy for trying I guess

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*funny side note* one of the drunk dudes took off his tennis shoe and started holding it up in the air like the statue of liberty's torch. when I saw this I looked at him and smiled and he said to me "what? I'm just trying to show my love"

...can't blame a guy for trying I guess

Yep, that's the guy who apologized to me at least 6 times during the show for stumbling in to me and then tried to explain to me in the middle of I'm Amazed how cool I was for bringing my nephew and then tried to explain to my nephew how cool an uncle I was during Smokin From Shootin'.

I must have been right next to you.  

QuoteI also have to say the only true hanging offense is pelting the band with glow sticks. I would support a posse of individuals to go find the d-bags, who probably all pop their collars, and every time they launch a glowstick at the band, they get 20 cockpunches.

Amen brother!

QuoteI wrote a few words on the Nashville thread about the show and tried to stay positive but sadly this thread is true.Apparently a pack of wolves got a copy of "Evil Urges" and the young men they were raising took a liking to it.Clearly they learned the words to the songs by repetition because they were unable to read the giant orange NO SMOKING sign hanging on the wall.While these wolves didn't teach the young male humans to read they certainly spent some time fine tuning their cannibis growing skills.I'm 44 yrs old and also realize we were at a rock concert and not church so I'm not offended when I catch a whiff.However,an indoor venue with a non smoking policy is probably not the most respectful place to fire up.Now on to the glowsticks.
I fully expected Jim to stop playing and dare another person to smack him in the face with a glowstick but that's not really Jim.He had actual parents that taught him basic rules and manners from an early age.Perhaps the glowstick fanatics would like it if we arranged to have them pelted in the face with neon weapons at their jobs.Nothing says lovin' like having solid objects thrown at you while you're in the zone,rocking out with you eyes half closed,near the edge of a five foot drop off.I'm sure Jim's just itching to take another fall from a stage since he survived the last one.IDIOTS! PLEASE LISTEN TO ME NOW!When someone is giving you the wonderful gift of song you can thank them in many ways such as applause,waving arms in the air and even the occasional,"WE LOVE YOU JIM".These are all perfectly acceptable and appropriate ways to convey your thank you.Throwing objects at him is always BAD.If you can't resist the urge to smuggle cases of glowsticks into the show with total disregard for the other fans and band members then please do us all a favor and stay home.I don't want to know what's going on in the head of anyone who thinks it's ok to throw objects at the band.Throwing them around the crowd at other fans is bad enough but hitting Jim in the face countless times is just purely embarrassing for those of us raised by actual human parents.Jim has too much class to react to this but maybe it's time the "Jacketeers Against Glowsticks" unite and show them how much fun a stun gun can be.

Damn, sister.  Testify.  A Glow Stick Guardian Angels chapter?  You already know I agree with you about the glowsticks, but we can't go cockpunching and stun-gunning the assholes.  We have to set the example.  Gather a bunch as they're thrown near you.  Then, when you see someone throw one towards the stage, particularly if it its one of the boys, whip your handful point blank at the fucker.  Or set his hair on fire.  Just nothing too violent.

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QuoteI wrote a few words on the Nashville thread about the show and tried to stay positive but sadly this thread is true.Apparently a pack of wolves got a copy of "Evil Urges" and the young men they were raising took a liking to it.Clearly they learned the words to the songs by repetition because they were unable to read the giant orange NO SMOKING sign hanging on the wall.While these wolves didn't teach the young male humans to read they certainly spent some time fine tuning their cannibis growing skills.I'm 44 yrs old and also realize we were at a rock concert and not church so I'm not offended when I catch a whiff.However,an indoor venue with a non smoking policy is probably not the most respectful place to fire up.Now on to the glowsticks.
I fully expected Jim to stop playing and dare another person to smack him in the face with a glowstick but that's not really Jim.He had actual parents that taught him basic rules and manners from an early age.Perhaps the glowstick fanatics would like it if we arranged to have them pelted in the face with neon weapons at their jobs.Nothing says lovin' like having solid objects thrown at you while you're in the zone,rocking out with you eyes half closed,near the edge of a five foot drop off.I'm sure Jim's just itching to take another fall from a stage since he survived the last one.IDIOTS! PLEASE LISTEN TO ME NOW!When someone is giving you the wonderful gift of song you can thank them in many ways such as applause,waving arms in the air and even the occasional,"WE LOVE YOU JIM".These are all perfectly acceptable and appropriate ways to convey your thank you.Throwing objects at him is always BAD.If you can't resist the urge to smuggle cases of glowsticks into the show with total disregard for the other fans and band members then please do us all a favor and stay home.I don't want to know what's going on in the head of anyone who thinks it's ok to throw objects at the band.Throwing them around the crowd at other fans is bad enough but hitting Jim in the face countless times is just purely embarrassing for those of us raised by actual human parents.Jim has too much class to react to this but maybe it's time the "Jacketeers Against Glowsticks" unite and show them how much fun a stun gun can be.

Damn, sister.  Testify.  A Glow Stick Guardian Angels chapter?  You already know I agree with you about the glowsticks, but we can't go cockpunching and stun-gunning the assholes.  We have to set the example.  Gather a bunch as they're thrown near you.  Then, when you see someone throw one towards the stage, particularly if it its one of the boys, whip your handful point blank at the fucker.  Or set his hair on fire.  Just nothing too violent.

Hmmmm setting hair on fire,not a bad idea.There's usually a fair selection of flame worthy wiggage at any given MMJ show. ;D

If anyone reads this that's ever thrown or considered throwing a glow stick in the general direction of aforementioned band,stop and realize there's a special bunch of guys up there.Show some respect and control youngsters.You're making us all look like asshats and it's NOT OK.Now,back to the program.

QuoteI also have to say the only true hanging offense is pelting the band with glow sticks. I would support a posse of individuals to go find the d-bags, who probably all pop their collars, and every time they launch a glowstick at the band, they get 20 cockpunches.

I'd have to add groping to that list. If someone were to grope/ass grab my gf at this or any show, 20 cockpunches wouldn't be enough.

Its so sad/frustrating to hear stories like some of you have told.  I myself have spent many a concert in the GA section, and its true, the rules do tend to be different there when compared to the seats.  Theres more body contact (which means elbows, stomped feet, bumping, pushing, etc)  I love being up close to the action, so I make the choice to accept those things.  Its definitely not an experience which all can enjoy.

However, I have noticed the douchebaggery which occurs at many a concert.  And its not like its a new thing.  Its anywhere there is an abundance of alcohol and people who don't know how to handle the amounts that they consume.  
I have never had a bad experience with this at a MMJ concert yet, and I hope to continue that streak at the St. Augustine show.

I don't mind the stoners (I am one) because like someone mentioned before.  They are mostly the mellow ones who are just grooving and dancing and enjoying the experience.   Its the jackfaces who reek of beer and sweat who usually end up fucking up the experience.

Re: the glowsticks.  I've never understood this.  Seen so many shows were people are throwing glowsticks.  Even when I've been tripping balls at concerts, I remember thinking "whoa, glowsticks, cool."  But I didn't think it was all THAT great."  And now that people are using them to throw on stage or purposefully at the band members.  That I cannot understand.  How fucking disrespectful can you be.  I've seen it plenty of times and alway thought to myself that if G-d had seen fit to make me a few inches taller and a bit stronger I would pummel the fuck out of the shitbag who actually thought that was cool.

That my 2cents.  I look forward to a nice enjoyable show, at the rail, in St. Augustine.  I expect to be pushed from the back.  I expect to be pushed from the side.  Maybe I'll catch the eye of a fellow Jacketeer during an epic jam, look at each other, both knowing/thinking "my mind is blowing up right now and my body is melting into the music." (happened at the Miami Filmore Show in Aug '08 during PWW, and is still my favorite MMJ memory)  But I will keep my fingers crossed that the hobocockassmungers of St. Augustine stay home next tuesday and let us all enjoy the show.

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QuoteI also have to say the only true hanging offense is pelting the band with glow sticks. I would support a posse of individuals to go find the d-bags, who probably all pop their collars, and every time they launch a glowstick at the band, they get 20 cockpunches.

I'd have to add groping to that list. If someone were to grope/ass grab my gf at this or any show, 20 cockpunches wouldn't be enough.

The Ween show that happened at has to be expected sort of. Ween draws probably the WEIRDEST crowd for any show I've ever been to. She didn't tell me because she knew I'd flip my shit because this guy kept trying to crowd surf by jumping on me, and I'm not gonna be the ONLY person causing a scene. I just watched him out of the corner of my eye, and when he went to jump, I side stepped and he faceplanted. On concrete.

At Virgin Fest in Calgary last summer we had Pearl Jam booked to headline day one. Unfortunately the lineup for the rest of the day suffered in quality tremendously and most people stayed in the several different beer gardens and drank from noon till 8 in the blazing sun just to emerge for PJ. Meanwhile i'm smoking a joint at this outdoor festival and people are bitching about the smoke. Guess who the idiots were at this show??? Not me smoking my joints but the morons who drank in the sun for 8 hours. It was so bad that Eddie had to tell people to chill out. There ended up being countless arrests and multiple taserings that day. My point is; 1-don't demonize pot smokers, we aren't the problem and never will be. And 2- there is a good reason why some venues cut the liquor sales early in the night and that can really change the way a crowd acts for the better because unfortunately a lot of people can't handle booze.

That shoe as the Statue of Liberty story is hilarious. ;D  

I don't know about this thread.  I've been hearing this for some time now.  It's rock n' frickin' roll!  Asking for such polite behavior in many ways conflicts with what I understand to be the experience of going to a rock show.  There's always gonna be idiots, particularly in the pit.  When a band gets big, the larger shows will always create a greater sense of anonymity where 18-20 year olds can get wasted and act the fool, unlike at smaller venue shows.

I remember when I was around 13, I got drunk and went to go Van Halen with Vince Neil opening. ;D  Probably around '93.  Me and my friends were yelling for Vince to get off the stage because all he was doing was playing Motley Crue songs.  The lady in front of us (who was around 35 years old and happened to be smoking a joint with the smoke blowing in OUR face told us brats to shut the fuck up).  We deserved it for sure but we were having the time or our lives.  It was a rock n' roll show.

I do agree about the glowsticks and groping.  They both suck.  BTW ladies, I don't mind being groped.  Carry on....Anyways

MMJ attracts so many nicotine addicts?  C'mon dude :-/  The day we have PC police and overabundant security at a rock n' roll show is the day I'll stop going.

I guess this isn't the 60's anymore. :-/  

First off: I am a smoker. I love my cigarettes. I can't help it.

But let me tell you, I was ready to put the hurt on some bitches at the B'ham show. The Alabama Theatre is a historic landmark. It is incredibly beautiful and deserves some RESPECT. That's why, when there were signs that said "No Smoking," I obliged.

But all these dude-brah d-bags around me didn't seem to give a shit and smoked throughout the show. It pissed me off.

I mean, if I am in a bar or whatever, I'm going to be smoking. That's just how it is. But not in a freaking National Landmark. Damn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Theatre#History

QuoteFirst off: I am a smoker. I love my cigarettes. I can't help it.

But let me tell you, I was ready to put the hurt on some bitches at the B'ham show. The Alabama Theatre is a historic landmark. It is incredibly beautiful and deserves some RESPECT. That's why, when there were signs that said "No Smoking," I obliged.

[highlight]But all these dude-brah d-bags around me didn't seem to give a shit and smoked throughout the show.[/highlight] It pissed me off.

I mean, if I am in a bar or whatever, I'm going to be smoking. That's just how it is. But not in a freaking National Landmark. Damn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Theatre#History

That's funny.  When we were listening to Nashville stream, I made it a point to make fun of all the "wussup brah?" "hey brah" dudes that you could hear talking on the stream over ANYTIME!  Not even Golden or Dondante but ANYTIME.

Anyways, point taken on respect for the theater.  At least you guys get to smoke in bars still. ;D  It was more Anu's phrasing that got under my skin a little bit.  I'm over it.

I'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

QuoteI'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

razor sharp, BH; razor sharp.


I have an old fart's scapegoat about all this: technology.

b/c of things like the internet and twitter and texting (and on and on and on) SOME people are exerting less and less physical energy and their social skills have gone to shit b/c so much of their interactions do not occur face to face. So, when true emotions bubble up (add alcohol to magnify the experience) and they're not texting or tweeting or freaking out over a fantsy football pick, they don't know what to do or how to act b/c most of the times their emotions are wrapped within isolated and limited fields of technology.
So, their bodies convulse due to the shock of physical activity and their emotions literally take over.

or not   :-/

QuoteI'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

;D

At the ripe old age of 44, I avoid fighting the GA crowds.  I did have 5th row seats in Birmingham and other than some very fine smelling funk, I saw no douchebaggery, glow sticks or excessive drunkeness.  I suppose it's a combination of the GA set up and general lack of security.   I would think that if the band didn't want to deal with the repercussions of a GA crowd, they wouldn't allow it to be booked that way.  

Other than the glow sticks and ass grabing, I don't have a problem with a little excess from those with their partying training wheels still on.   If I did see someone throwing stuff, glow sticks or otherwise, I would have to get in their face.  

The only thing in Birmingham that bothered me a bit was the dude behind me who was singing every song at the top of his lungs.   Cool, I get it.  You know the words.   But do I really have to hear it shouted in my ear such that I hear a combination of you and Jim.   Maybe that's where the Yim comes from?   Anyhow, I know a bunch of you here like to sing, but I really don't get why it has to be at the top of your lungs, as if to prove to everyone that you know every word to every song.

Sorry, I figured as long as we were ranting.

One of the older folks chiming in here. I was not at the show but I can say this that as a band grows more and more popular it becomes a numbers game. Equal amount of bullshit with equal amount of good shit.  Saw it with many bands as they grew. The scene deteriorated cause of assholes. Soon the cops will follow and busts, etc. Well you get the picture. MMJ is still relatively new in the publics eye. I don't know how it's changed so far for MMJ shows, but LIke Tracy said it was much cooler with fewer.  :)

I'm 32 and I prefer chairbacks.  I love the experience of being on the rail, but the drama sucks.  Most of the time for me, it's just not worth it.  

QuoteDuring PJHB set I overheard some drunk tool say to a chick "I just want the jazz to stop. So I can some Wordless Chorus". He was so trashed three or four songs into the MMJ set, he got sick and his girlfriend had to take him home. It gave me a little bit of joy knowing that he didn't get to hear "Wordless Chorus".

Talk about being disrespectful, serves the asshole right.  I remember the same thing happened to my brother-in -law at a STP show yrs ago.  Got shit faced and sick right before they came on stage.  Missed the entire show.  Told him to go out on the lawn and find his way back to the car.  I certainly wasn't going to miss the show on account of him.

The smoking and glow-stick arguments are two different things.  

Smoking (both the green and the nicotine) is a part of the culture of rock and roll.  If you can't handle that, you gotta move to the back of the crowd.  I don't smoke myself, but really, come on.  There were plenty of seats left upstairs if the smoke bugs you.  A whole lot of us here saw MMJ MANY times over the years in dingy clubs and bars where the smoke was just as bad.  It ain't going away.  Ever.  MMJ or not.  The OP reminds me of the song I'm Losing Edge by LCD Soundsystem.  The youngsters gotta have the same fun we did and they will.

The glowsticks?  Fuck em.  Nobody on this board will ever be able to comprehend the asshats that do that, because we're actually FANS.  When the first one hit Jim straight on there was an audible gasp from the crowd and sporadic booing.  You would think that would be enough to deter other idiots, but clearly it wasn't.  The only way to stop it is to shame those who participate.  Let me witness someone throwing ANYTHING, let alone a glowstick at my favorite band.  

It was a good old rock and show at Municipal the other night.

I tend to see that in New York City.  Both Radio City amd MSG were pretty packed with drunks, I just figured it was normal for the Big Apple.  Overall I've seen these guys more times than I can count and I dont usually see a lot of stupid behavior.  Perhaps you just got "lucky"?

i'm in agreement with a lot of what's been said in here.  i've been to many a gig in my time so i know that certain things are inevitable.  where there is live music the rest will follow.

i don't smoke cigarettes, but i know that those who do will probably light up.  i love the smell of weed & it makes me happy when i get a whif.  (even if i'm not partaking.)  if i choose to be in the pit, i expect to be jostled a bit & most likely get some beer spilled on me at least once.  these are all things i will tolerate & won't let ruin my good time.

re: ass-grabbing/groping:  to the other ladies out there - if someone touches or gropes you, even "accidentally" (and c'mon, we CAN tell the difference) do not be afraid to stick up for yourself.  let them know that shit don't stand.  or report them.  and to everyone in general, if you witness this going on, help a sister out!  

pelting the band with objects is something i just don't understand.  i don't know how it could seem a good idea even if you're wasted or tripping balls.  i know jim is not going to pull an axl rose & dive on & start beating the idiot - the man's all class.  but that shit needs to stop.  seriously.

i hope that enough of us here reading this thread will do our part to make sure to not pull this crap ourselves & keep our friends in check at future shows.  especially @ MPP!

QuoteI'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

BH you took the words right out of my mouth!

I'm sure some old dude thought I was Stoned, Drunk, Rude, & Stupid at a concert 15 years ago, and I'm sure I was. Sorry 'bout that old dude. I'll probably think that about some young punk at some point too. Circle of life, brah.

The glowsticks are obnoxious though, and I'd have no problem with venue security taking them away at the front door.

QuoteI'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

And as a rude, stupid alcoholic drug addict, I concur completely.

bbill: "Circle of life, brah" ;D

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*funny side note* one of the drunk dudes took off his tennis shoe and started holding it up in the air like the statue of liberty's torch. when I saw this I looked at him and smiled and he said to me "what? I'm just trying to show my love"

;D ;D ;D

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QuoteI'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

And as a rude, stupid alcoholic drug addict, I concur completely.

bbill: "Circle of life, brah" ;D

Get a room already...

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One last point: I'm 27, which means I'm so incredibly old it's not even funny...perhaps the oldest jacket fan.

Ok not really, but I do have 2 herniated discs. So I feel old. This is why I'm a pansy and I love seated venues or places where I can lean against shit, which is why I typically let the front rail and all the young dudes have their fun in the middle.

Also, in allows easier access to the bar, which I gotta say for theater venues tend to be awesome...quick, easy access.

I haven't been to a Jacket show since Nov 2006 and people were nice then. Granted I was in the comfort of dead center front row of the balcony and not on the floor. If they ever come back here, I will be dead center, on the rail, and with my son. He needs to have his shit messed with in a JJ kinda way. What the hell has happened in the last 4 years with people. Fucking tools.

Seriously, who's giving out the glow sticks? Fuck that. I cannot stand those damn things. I hate being at a show that is so smoked out that I have to shower when I get home just so I can sleep, but I do not begrude people for lighting up if it's a smoking show. If it's posted non smoking, put it the fuck out though. And where are people getting the money to get this fucked up? Maybe I'm a cheap fucker, but the idea of spending $5-7 a drink pretty much limits me to how much I can toss back. I really do not want to deal with Wifezilla when the CC bill comes and it's $50 just for booze.

I remember the Riverfront show back in '08... these dude brahs and sorostitutes had glow sticks and broke them open and were smearing the contents on one another. I felt obligated to tell them those things were probably poisonous, but then I remembered the concept of natural selection...

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QuoteI know that the Bon Jovi show was down the road at the Bridgestone Arena. But I wonder if they had more intelligent & respectful fans there than we did at the half-empty Municipal Auditorium last night.

There's very little that I can attribute the rude and rowdy mess I experienced down front by stage other than to the abuse of drugs and alcohol. It was sick, and not in the good way that Dondante, Smokin from Shootin, OTR, or Run Thru was.

I have loved this band more than any other in recent years.

And I cannot complain that the set last night was not one of the best. And I cannot complain that the fans I stood near didn't know the songs; in fact, folks knew all the words to every song, even to some of the covers I did not recognize.

The thick and sticky ganja smoke was bad enough, but the cigarette smoke was excessive and puke worthy. Does MMJ attract that many people addicted to nicotine, with no respect for their neighbors, or the indoor smoking ban in our fine state of Tennessee?

For too many years, I went to Jacket shows wasted. I imagine what I saw last night was probably karmic payback for my own stupidity on previous MMJ benders. But the experience of seeing the jacket sober was seriously diminished by the antics of my drunken peers.

Not once, but multiple times, Yim was pelted with glowsticks. Many frontfolk would not have his grace and professionalism and would have walked off stage.

Lots of people who are not drug addicts or alcoholics can handle their buzz and respect their neighbors. However, in the crowd at the Jacket last night, I saw far too many people too fucked up to care that some people do not want to be groped, bumped, ass-grabbed, screamed at, or have giant wafts of nasty tobacco smoke blown in their faces for the sake of *your* good time.

I know that if I want to be sober and still go to shows, I need to put up with stuff like this. However, I hope better for the Jacket and their incredibly dedicated fanbase. Please, handle your buzz & respect your neighbor or get the help that I needed to get & get clean & sober.

Rant over. Forgive me my rant as I forgive y'all for what I saw last night.

Peace,
A

Haven't been on the board in quite some time, but this post really hits home with me.  Having been sober for twenty-three years and attended many, many, many concerts in that time, I've lost patience for people that get out of control.  It doesn't happen often, but sometimes I just give one of my stares to the person bumping, pushing etc. and let them know I paid for admission to the show and I'm not going to let them ruin it.  I hope your experience is isolated with MMJ.  I expect that behavior at WSP, but not MMJ.  I won't see WSP anymore as a result.   Keep working it a day at a time and keep enjoying the vibe.

QuoteI remember the Riverfront show back in '08... these dude brahs and sorostitutes had glow sticks and broke them open and were smearing the contents on one another. I felt obligated to tell them those things were probably poisonous, but then I remembered the concept of natural selection...

;D

Yes, thinning the overcrowded herd. Sorostitues...love it.

QuoteOne last point: I'm 27, which means I'm so incredibly old it's not even funny...perhaps the oldest jacket fan.

Ok not really, but I do have 2 herniated discs. So I feel old. This is why I'm a pansy and I love seated venues or places where I can lean against shit, which is why I typically let the front rail and all the young dudes have their fun in the middle.

Also, in allows easier access to the bar, which I gotta say for theater venues tend to be awesome...quick, easy access.

You ain't old Brother.  I'll be 40 in a few months.  I recently broke my back and needed fusion of 4 vertabrae.  The worst pain I ever felt.  But I plan some up close time with the boys next Friday in NC.

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QuoteOne last point: I'm 27, which means I'm so incredibly old it's not even funny...perhaps the oldest jacket fan.

Ok not really, but I do have 2 herniated discs. So I feel old. This is why I'm a pansy and I love seated venues or places where I can lean against shit, which is why I typically let the front rail and all the young dudes have their fun in the middle.

Also, in allows easier access to the bar, which I gotta say for theater venues tend to be awesome...quick, easy access.

You ain't old Brother.  I'll be 40 in a few months.  I recently broke my back and needed fusion of 4 vertabrae.  The worst pain I ever felt.  But I plan some up close time with the boys next Friday in NC.

Yeah but I feel old. I was stiff for two days after the last show I went to.

My discs are the result of a fracture. I was told I'm gonna need the same thing you had when I'm your age...so I don't feel your pain...yet

Still, I think it's funny that 10 years ago, I was all [size=24]CHAIRS AT CONCERTS ARE FOR PUSSIES! [/size]

and now I'm all like

"do they allow lawn chairs at this festival?"

I don't ever sit down, but I like the fact that you can't really get shifted or pushed around (as much) when there is a seat attached to the floor behind you.

QuoteI don't ever sit down, but I like the fact that you can't really get shifted or pushed around (as much) when there is a seat attached to the floor behind you.

My feelings exactly!

Also I might cheat a bit during a slower song and sit on the edge of my folded up seat. Sort of 1/2 sitting, 1/2 standing.  ;D

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QuoteI don't ever sit down, but I like the fact that you can't really get shifted or pushed around (as much) when there is a seat attached to the floor behind you.

My feelings exactly!

Also I might cheat a bit during a slower song and sit on the edge of my folded up seat. Sort of 1/2 sitting, 1/2 standing.  ;D

True, and even when there are seats I do spend most of the time standing. But there are times when I just say "fuck it" and sit.

Though I'm never that person who demands everyone else sit. I was at a Wilco show where two grown men in turtlenecks got in a slap fight because one guy demanded his entire section remain seated and somehow got security on his side.

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QuoteI don't ever sit down, but I like the fact that you can't really get shifted or pushed around (as much) when there is a seat attached to the floor behind you.

My feelings exactly!

Also I might cheat a bit during a slower song and sit on the edge of my folded up seat. Sort of 1/2 sitting, 1/2 standing.  ;D

True, and even when there are seats I do spend most of the time standing. But there are times when I just say "fuck it" and sit.

Though I'm never that person who demands everyone else sit. I was at a Wilco show where two grown men in turtlenecks got in a slap fight because one guy demanded his entire section remain seated and somehow got security on his side.

Well, they were wearing turtlenecks.  At least they had that going for them.

Man, there are long-ranging debates on the wilco board on Sit vs Stand.   Seems like that music straddles the fence and brings out both sides.

For the record, I saw them earlier this month and stood the whole time.   Luckily the people in front of me were standing so I could turn around and shrug / sorry.   I don't feel comfortable being the only person standing in a crowd of sitters.

for the record, we were 4 guys, age 44-47.  we were maybe 10 "rows" back from the stage, right in front of jim.  

other than a young douche-in-training and his girlfriend "dancing" (more like a dual full-body heave) into us a few times, i saw no major behavior problems around us.  we were pretty drunk and high ourselves......but i can assure you we were the four most mellow dudes in the venue.

but as for the glowsticks, i can't remenber the last time i've hated anything as much as i hate those things.  damn near ruined the show for me, i spent way too much time wondering which of the guys would be assaulted next.   it's simply amazing that they seem to take it in stride......i wouldn't blame them if they walked off.

at one point there was a kid a few feet to my right with a glowstick.....he was working feverishly trying to break it so it would shower his victims with glowing goo.....i temporarily lost focus on the show, began imagining myself pummeling him with repeated blows about the head and neck......forcing him to drink the icky contents......holding his severed head up on pole, with two glowsticks crammed in his nostrils, serving as a cautionary tale to anyone else so inclined........but like i said, we're a pretty mellow group. 8-)

other than that, the show itself was well worth the trip, and i'd do it again in a heartbeat.  the phjb was freakin' awesome, and MMJ was the solid, powerful, magical, fun-loving group we all love.  can't wait to see 'em again.

the rock and roll was too loud for the op

Quotethe rock and roll was too loud for the op

this.

I had a guy want to fight me for standing in front of him at a Crowes show for one friggin' song.  I hate sitting but I usually respect the people behind me.  But  I couldn't help myself and he got all bent out of shape.  I also love when people stand in front of me mahg33ta!  What can you do!

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at one point there was a kid a few feet to my right with a glowstick.....he was working feverishly trying to break it so it would shower his victims with glowing goo.....i temporarily lost focus on the show, began imagining myself pummeling him with repeated blows about the head and neck......forcing him to drink the icky contents......holding his severed head up on pole, with two glowsticks crammed in his nostrils, serving as a cautionary tale to anyone else so inclined........but like i said, we're a pretty mellow group. 8-)

;D  

Personally I don't care whether anyone talks, smokes, drinks, or shoots up during a show as long as they are cognizant of the point where their good time starts to infringe on someone else's good time and can regulate themselves accordingly. That goes for both sides.  If the vibe is good, and people are respectful of each other, you can deal with just about anything.

The weird thing is that even if you politely address someone about something that's affecting your experience, they almost always get irate and holler "BUT THIS IS A CONCERT!"  It's odd how that excuse doesn't really work in any other social situation, isn't it?

The folks I went to the show with have been seeing the Jacket in Nashville since the Exit/In days, and were shocked by the crowd - one even wondered aloud "when did MMJ turn into DMB?"  The rude folks in our section all appeared to be in their thirties, which is definitely old enough to know better.  I'm 33 myself and certainly not planning to retire from the pit anytime soon.  I don't think we can blame all the bad behavior on the kids...though goodness knows I was one of those kids back in the day.   ;D  

[when I was 15ish, I went to see the Violent Femmes at a show sponsored by the local college radio station, which we basically worshiped.  We pushed our way up to the rail and proceeded to chainsmoke clove cigarettes, talk loudly and otherwise act "cool".   ;D  The next morning we were all horrified when the DJ specifically mentioned the "lame high school kids" in the front row.  Sometimes I think everyone should have an uber-humbling experience like that...   ;D]

Anyway.  This is not 'Nam, this is a concert.  There are rules.  MARK IT ZERO!!!!   ;D

 ;D ;D ;D

i try to roll with things as much as possible, but when someone gets out of hand i've got an effective withering glare.  ;)  i'm also close enough to the age of most concert kids parents that getting a stern look and clear directive, "No." will make them stop.

yvon, I'm standing near you at MPP then    ;)

Actually, I want to completely envelop myself in boardies, like George Costanza in velvet.   ;D

A few years back I went with my friend to an allman brothers show, we scored lawn tickets for 3bucks since it didn't sell out and spent our time getting completely hammered in the lot with the other fans.  Met some really awesome people.  We met these older dudes who said they smoked a joint with gov't mule back in the day at the blind pig and all this stuff.   after that we went in to DTE and I was fucked up.  I mean totally fucked up.  Was smoking mad joints, got a couple beers inside, was on xanax, etc.  In other words I don't really remember most of that night but I do remember somehow getting into the pavilion and then from there we were given two tickets for 4th row.  It was a few songs before the encore so we bolted down there instantly.  Warren and Derek were ripping a wicked version of Jessica and I was just drinking this beer, dancing in the aisle all dancing.  

The security guard was like "you can't be in the aisle" and I was all "wh.at?! "?!" and then this guy grabbed me and pulled me back into the row and at first I was PISSED because I was all like "wtf is this guy doing all grabbing my shit" and then I looked at him and he was smiling so I instantly started laughing because I thought security was fucking with me.  We then blazed a joint and rocked fucking hard.  I was right in from of Greg Allman yelling "GREG FUCKING ALLMAN WOO!!!!!!!!!" like a psycho and he was all gregin' it and they came back out and ripped face off.  Then we left.

I didn't plan to get that fucked up and the show didn't cost me much and I had seen them before.  but there it is.  somehow, I got 4th row and it is all completely thanks to beer, weed, luck, and balls.

I've only gotten kicked out of a show once and that was because the usher bitch was racist against whitey.   I was at smashing pumpkins with aisle seats once again (god damn that shit) and this bitch kept saying "you can't dance in the aisle" and I was all "oh come on I love you" and she was all "blah blah blah" being all mean to me and then left.  I continued my dancing and sparked a doobie to share with some people in my area.  Crazy bitch comes back and is like "Why are you in the aisle again - (mid-sentence) - AND YOU'RE SMOKING A JOINT?!!?! COME WITH ME!"  I was like "What the fuck?  Are you serious?" and she was all being a bitch.  I chucked a couple doobies in pocket into the audience because when I tried to get rid of my roach I wasn't fast enough and she actually found it and picked it up.

she walked me to the front and there was a cop and she was all "this guy needs to get kicked out" and the people at the door were all "why?" and she was all "because he was smoking!" and slammed down this little roach on the table in front of the cop.  I took the roach and did a perfect swoosh into the garbage can with it and peaced the fuck out the doors running down the streets of detroit.  when I realized nobody was chasing I went back to my car in the underground garage and waited in fear until my friend got back from the show.  

only two times I have ever been in any kind of trouble at the hundreds of shows I've seen.  In short, it takes a lot of fucking effort and a completely lack of care to get thrown out at a show.  If they threw out everyone who was an ass they wouldn't make any profits from their 8dollar beers.  

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at one point there was a kid a few feet to my right with a glowstick.....he was working feverishly trying to break it so it would shower his victims with glowing goo.....i temporarily lost focus on the show, began imagining myself pummeling him with repeated blows about the head and neck......forcing him to drink the icky contents......holding his severed head up on pole, with two glowsticks crammed in his nostrils, serving as a cautionary tale to anyone else so inclined........but like i said, we're a pretty mellow group. 8-)

I was right there near you and I would have supported this action. It would be pretty cool to see the guy holding the shoe react to your severed head on a pole.

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Anyway.  This is not 'Nam, this is a concert.

nice one

Were they as bad as this guy?   ;D  Coachella this year I guess.

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This has been really bothering me, and I'm really glad that someone brought it up...
get drunk, get high - I don't care, its a concert. Just don't be surprised if I 1, laugh at you or 2, push your drunk ass off of me if you land on me.
what I can't get past is the disrespect. throwing things at the band? are you effing kidding me? who raises these nasty little mongrels? and the talking... for crissakes, the talking. why in THE HELL would anyone pay 50 dollars to go to a show and then talk through the whole thing? I mean I LOVE Dondante, but everytime Jacket plays it, I'm thinking, "here we go... I have to listen to Mr. Polo shirt-fucker talk about god knows what and give his buddy a pictoral slide show on his I-phone." Has going to a concert become simply bragging rights rather than having an experience? like putting a stupid sticker on the back of your car that tells the world that you ran a marathon?
And it isn't just MMJ shows - it is every concert I've been to in the past 10 or so years. I know Jim is a classy cat and all, but I really wish he'd take the Jeff Tweedy approach, and call these little rat bastards out.

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QuoteThis has been really bothering me, and I'm really glad that someone brought it up...
get drunk, get high - I don't care, its a concert. Just don't be surprised if I 1, laugh at you or 2, push your drunk ass off of me if you land on me.
what I can't get past is the disrespect. throwing things at the band? are you effing kidding me? who raises these nasty little mongrels? and the talking... for crissakes, the talking. why in THE HELL would anyone pay 50 dollars to go to a show and then talk through the whole thing? I mean I LOVE Dondante, but everytime Jacket plays it, I'm thinking, "here we go... I have to listen to Mr. Polo shirt-fucker talk about god knows what and give his buddy a pictoral slide show on his I-phone." Has going to a concert become simply bragging rights rather than having an experience? like putting a stupid sticker on the back of your car that tells the world that you ran a marathon?
And it isn't just MMJ shows - it is every concert I've been to in the past 10 or so years. I know Jim is a classy cat and all, but I really wish he'd take the Jeff Tweedy approach, and call these little rat bastards out.

end rant.

I made a poll on this dave matthews band message board about the lamest shit dmb fans do at a show and do you what won the poll? (other).  do you want to know what this collective "other" group was complaining about?

Getting Pissed and Puked on.

At DMB shows there have been 100's of documented incidents of people getting pissed and puked on.  From the looks of it, those fans are trickling in along with the pearl jam hardcore's, some phish phans, and other bigger fan bases.  

It's going to get worse I think.  The first "getting pissed on at an MMJ show" story will be the end of the fanbase's purity.  Once the pissers come, we are fucked.

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QuoteThis has been really bothering me, and I'm really glad that someone brought it up...
get drunk, get high - I don't care, its a concert. Just don't be surprised if I 1, laugh at you or 2, push your drunk ass off of me if you land on me.
what I can't get past is the disrespect. throwing things at the band? are you effing kidding me? who raises these nasty little mongrels? and the talking... for crissakes, the talking. why in THE HELL would anyone pay 50 dollars to go to a show and then talk through the whole thing? I mean I LOVE Dondante, but everytime Jacket plays it, I'm thinking, "here we go... I have to listen to Mr. Polo shirt-fucker talk about god knows what and give his buddy a pictoral slide show on his I-phone." Has going to a concert become simply bragging rights rather than having an experience? like putting a stupid sticker on the back of your car that tells the world that you ran a marathon?
And it isn't just MMJ shows - it is every concert I've been to in the past 10 or so years. I know Jim is a classy cat and all, but I really wish he'd take the Jeff Tweedy approach, and call these little rat bastards out.

end rant.

I made a poll on this dave matthews band message board about the lamest shit dmb fans do at a show and do you what won the poll? (other).  do you want to know what this collective "other" group was complaining about?

Getting Pissed and Puked on.

At DMB shows there have been 100's of documented incidents of people getting pissed and puked on.  From the looks of it, those fans are trickling in along with the pearl jam hardcore's, some phish phans, and other bigger fan bases.  

It's going to get worse I think.  The first "getting pissed on at an MMJ show" story will be the end of the fanbase's purity.  Once the pissers come, we are fucked.

I hope you are wrong.  But, I kinda think you are right.  It's coming to this at some point. >:( >:( >:(

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QuoteThis has been really bothering me, and I'm really glad that someone brought it up...
get drunk, get high - I don't care, its a concert. Just don't be surprised if I 1, laugh at you or 2, push your drunk ass off of me if you land on me.
what I can't get past is the disrespect. throwing things at the band? are you effing kidding me? who raises these nasty little mongrels? and the talking... for crissakes, the talking. why in THE HELL would anyone pay 50 dollars to go to a show and then talk through the whole thing? I mean I LOVE Dondante, but everytime Jacket plays it, I'm thinking, "here we go... I have to listen to Mr. Polo shirt-fucker talk about god knows what and give his buddy a pictoral slide show on his I-phone." Has going to a concert become simply bragging rights rather than having an experience? like putting a stupid sticker on the back of your car that tells the world that you ran a marathon?
And it isn't just MMJ shows - it is every concert I've been to in the past 10 or so years. I know Jim is a classy cat and all, but I really wish he'd take the Jeff Tweedy approach, and call these little rat bastards out.

end rant.

I made a poll on this dave matthews band message board about the lamest shit dmb fans do at a show and do you what won the poll? (other).  do you want to know what this collective "other" group was complaining about?

Getting Pissed and Puked on.

At DMB shows there have been 100's of documented incidents of people getting pissed and puked on.  From the looks of it, those fans are trickling in along with the pearl jam hardcore's, some phish phans, and other bigger fan bases.  

It's going to get worse I think.  The first "getting pissed on at an MMJ show" story will be the end of the fanbase's purity.  Once the pissers come, we are fucked.

I hope you are wrong.  But, I kinda think you are right.  It's coming to this at some point. >:( >:( >:(

as much as it sucks, it's an impossible fix unless somehow this band finds a way to keep the majority of minors from drinking.  That would require more cops and that would be pretty uncool.

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get drunk, get high - I don't care, its a concert. Just don't be surprised if I 1, laugh at you or 2, push your drunk ass off of me if you land on me.
what I can't get past is the disrespect. throwing things at the band? are you effing kidding me? who raises these nasty little mongrels? and the talking... for crissakes, the talking. why in THE HELL would anyone pay 50 dollars to go to a show and then talk through the whole thing? I mean I LOVE Dondante, but everytime Jacket plays it, I'm thinking, "here we go... I have to listen to Mr. Polo shirt-fucker talk about god knows what and give his buddy a pictoral slide show on his I-phone." Has going to a concert become simply bragging rights rather than having an experience? like putting a stupid sticker on the back of your car that tells the world that you ran a marathon?
And it isn't just MMJ shows - it is every concert I've been to in the past 10 or so years. I know Jim is a classy cat and all, but I really wish he'd take the Jeff Tweedy approach, and call these little rat bastards out.

end rant.

I made a poll on this dave matthews band message board about the lamest shit dmb fans do at a show and do you what won the poll? (other).  do you want to know what this collective "other" group was complaining about?

Getting Pissed and Puked on.

At DMB shows there have been 100's of documented incidents of people getting pissed and puked on.  From the looks of it, those fans are trickling in along with the pearl jam hardcore's, some phish phans, and other bigger fan bases.  

It's going to get worse I think.  The first "getting pissed on at an MMJ show" story will be the end of the fanbase's purity.  Once the pissers come, we are fucked.

I certainly hope that it doesn't come to that. I'm far too old to be getting in to fights at shows. Yuck.

There are a lot of factors when trying to negotiate with people who are truly being senseless.  As long as we can maintain some kind of integrity around here the core will stay strong and those attitude will spread eventually.  If people are talking when they shouldn't the "shhh" or "shut the fuck up" work, especially when done with several other people helping you isolate the talker.  If "Hey, could you shut the fuck up" were common practice our numbers would win.  We have a small window before we're flooded so to speak.  We must build the levee stronger this time.  because we all know what happens when the levee breaks.

this might all sound like paranoia to people but it's the cold hard truth.  we are the information source for this band for the most part.  n00bs eventually will come here and try to lay claim to this place as if they were always here, same with the shows.  we need to point the fuck ups in the right direction.  which doesn't have to be the door, I'm sure plenty of idiots pump mmj up.  I know I'm an idiot and I definitely pump them the fuck up.  we're like all leaves from the same tree yo. sheeit.

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QuoteThis has been really bothering me, and I'm really glad that someone brought it up...
get drunk, get high - I don't care, its a concert. Just don't be surprised if I 1, laugh at you or 2, push your drunk ass off of me if you land on me.
what I can't get past is the disrespect. throwing things at the band? are you effing kidding me? who raises these nasty little mongrels? and the talking... for crissakes, the talking. why in THE HELL would anyone pay 50 dollars to go to a show and then talk through the whole thing? I mean I LOVE Dondante, but everytime Jacket plays it, I'm thinking, "here we go... I have to listen to Mr. Polo shirt-fucker talk about god knows what and give his buddy a pictoral slide show on his I-phone." Has going to a concert become simply bragging rights rather than having an experience? like putting a stupid sticker on the back of your car that tells the world that you ran a marathon?
And it isn't just MMJ shows - it is every concert I've been to in the past 10 or so years. I know Jim is a classy cat and all, but I really wish he'd take the Jeff Tweedy approach, and call these little rat bastards out.

end rant.

I made a poll on this dave matthews band message board about the lamest shit dmb fans do at a show and do you what won the poll? (other).  do you want to know what this collective "other" group was complaining about?

Getting Pissed and Puked on.

At DMB shows there have been 100's of documented incidents of people getting pissed and puked on.  From the looks of it, those fans are trickling in along with the pearl jam hardcore's, some phish phans, and other bigger fan bases.  

It's going to get worse I think.  The first "getting pissed on at an MMJ show" story will be the end of the fanbase's purity.  Once the pissers come, we are fucked.

Oh, we had a pisser a couple years ago.  I'd love to find that thread.  It was a classic.

the getting pissed on stories blow me away.  to just accidentally piss on somebody during a concert... fucked up.   "oh man I don't want to miss this song everybody so I'm just going to piss on you".  I'm a lazy stoner and guarantee I want to go the bathroom way less than almost anybody there but fuck pissing on people.  it's just not worth it.  being drunk only half explains it.  

fuckin pissers are the worst.  somebody needs to make a sign or something.

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Oh, we had a pisser a couple years ago.  I'd love to find that thread.  It was a classic.

just ask: (it gets rolling (or flowing) on page 2)

http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1165126021/0

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Oh, we had a pisser a couple years ago.  I'd love to find that thread.  It was a classic.

just ask: (it gets rolling (or flowing) on page 2)

http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1165126021/0

Remember when rubbing the dog's nose in it's piss was used as a form of house training(cruel and unusual btw)?However,when the pup is a human asshat who thinks MMJ's first album is "Evil Urges".......Hmmm

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Oh, we had a pisser a couple years ago.  I'd love to find that thread.  It was a classic.

just ask: (it gets rolling (or flowing) on page 2)

http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1165126021/0

AMAZING!!!!

LMAO...PISSERS! HA. I have often wondered if people actually do it. We had to leave the rail in Portland '08 during Dondante or there was going to be piss all over the place. It sucked but I can't always time my bladder with MMJ's set time.

I think it goes without saying that one will encounter folks gettin outa hand at any place with a large crowd and booze.  I was on the rail right in front of carl and yeah people were smoking squares and green , but thats to be expected in my opinion.  As for people who are just dicks and have a lack of respect for their fellows, thats a different story. Im actually just inspired to hear bout the folks stayin sober at shows.  Ive been to many jacket shows over the past several years and the other night was my first experience bein sober at a show.  Ive been sober for a couple years now and im comfortable bein around all that.  The guys played with as much energy and passioin as ever before and it was a magical experience. Peace

Sex Drugs and Rock n Roll... get over it... people are going to get rowdy if you can't handle it stay at home...

go to church if u dont like to party

QuoteI think it goes without saying that one will encounter folks gettin outa hand at any place with a large crowd and booze.  I was on the rail right in front of carl and yeah people were smoking squares and green , but thats to be expected in my opinion.  As for people who are just dicks and have a lack of respect for their fellows, thats a different story. Im actually just inspired to hear bout the folks stayin sober at shows.  Ive been to many jacket shows over the past several years and the other night was my first experience bein sober at a show.  Ive been sober for a couple years now and im comfortable bein around all that.  The guys played with as much energy and passioin as ever before and it was a magical experience. Peace

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QuoteThis has been really bothering me, and I'm really glad that someone brought it up...
get drunk, get high - I don't care, its a concert. Just don't be surprised if I 1, laugh at you or 2, push your drunk ass off of me if you land on me.
what I can't get past is the disrespect. throwing things at the band? are you effing kidding me? who raises these nasty little mongrels? and the talking... for crissakes, the talking. why in THE HELL would anyone pay 50 dollars to go to a show and then talk through the whole thing? I mean I LOVE Dondante, but everytime Jacket plays it, I'm thinking, "here we go... I have to listen to Mr. Polo shirt-fucker talk about god knows what and give his buddy a pictoral slide show on his I-phone." Has going to a concert become simply bragging rights rather than having an experience? like putting a stupid sticker on the back of your car that tells the world that you ran a marathon?
And it isn't just MMJ shows - it is every concert I've been to in the past 10 or so years. I know Jim is a classy cat and all, but I really wish he'd take the Jeff Tweedy approach, and call these little rat bastards out.

end rant.

I made a poll on this dave matthews band message board about the lamest shit dmb fans do at a show and do you what won the poll? (other).  do you want to know what this collective "other" group was complaining about?

Getting Pissed and Puked on.

At DMB shows there have been 100's of documented incidents of people getting pissed and puked on.  From the looks of it, those fans are trickling in along with the pearl jam hardcore's, some phish phans, and other bigger fan bases.  

It's going to get worse I think.  The first "getting pissed on at an MMJ show" story will be the end of the fanbase's purity.  Once the pissers come, we are fucked.

Oh, we had a pisser a couple years ago.  I'd love to find that thread.  It was a classic.

I almost brought up that thread in the Classic Forum Quotes thread. That whole thread was pure comedy!  

Im taking my 11 year old son to a band he really likes, I hope the fans in Cary NC have more class. I dont want his first concert experience to be a mess.

QuoteIm taking my 11 year old son to a band he really likes, I hope the fans in Cary NC have more class. I dont want his first concert experience to be a mess.

Your 11 year old digs MMJ? That's awesome.

Up until about 2004, the Jacket shows had perhaps the most amiable, respectful and friendliest crowds at any rock show I'd experienced. I truly believe the band's professionalism and good vibes helped foster this environment. And people rocked out just as hard as the band.

But things have changed radically since then, with the crowds seeming to have ever higher percentages of jerks puking on people, passing out and generally being rude to their fellow concert goers.  The change has been pretty dramatic. Attending has sort of gone from a celebration to surviving.

It's a real shame, because the band and the rest of their fans deserve better.

I've always been a believer that kindness is cool, but it is obvious from the comments on here that many folks claim that "it's a rock concert dude!" and that makes it okay.  I disagree with that sentiment. It is never okay to be a jerk.

my first GA mmj show was the philly show in '08. my buddy and i were right up front. beforehand, we drank and got ready. i was drunk but i consider myself one of the most gentle drunks in the world. i am shy by nature, and i rarely make a scene. to my surprise in philly, the crowd around us was pretty cool. everyone was having fun but no one was being a dick. i had flip flops on and no one stepped on me. the guy behind me had to pee, but he did so in a cup and i got no splash effect. the whole experience was just awesome.

i think anu's concern is moslty a hit or miss thing (i hope). i've had a grand time at all my mmj shows. i know they are more popular than ever, but their crowds are still better than every other band i've ever seen, except for rusted root haha.

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Oh, we had a pisser a couple years ago.  I'd love to find that thread.  It was a classic.

just ask: (it gets rolling (or flowing) on page 2)

http://www.mymorningjacket.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1165126021/0

wow. I can't believe they're already here.  f'ing gross as hell.

Quotemy first GA mmj show was the philly show in '08. my buddy and i were right up front. beforehand, we drank and got ready. i was drunk but i consider myself one of the most gentle drunks in the world. i am shy by nature, and i rarely make a scene. to my surprise in philly, the crowd around us was pretty cool. everyone was having fun but no one was being a dick. i had flip flops on and no one stepped on me. the guy behind me had to pee, but he did so in a cup and i got no splash effect. the whole experience was just awesome.

i think anu's concern is moslty a hit or miss thing (i hope). i've had a grand time at all my mmj shows. i know they are more popular than ever, but their crowds are still better than every other band i've ever seen, except for rusted root haha.

to the bolded.  that is the exact shit we have to look out for.  there is no possible way you could go to a show right now with a cup of piss and not get hit with some splash back, even if you tried to stand still you'd still get pushed by the force of the rock.  

people who don't just take literally 3 or 4minutes to run to the bathroom to piss in a usually empty bathroom are gross.  Dancing around with a glass of piss is one of the nastiest things ever.

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Quotemy first GA mmj show was the philly show in '08. my buddy and i were right up front. beforehand, we drank and got ready. i was drunk but i consider myself one of the most gentle drunks in the world. i am shy by nature, and i rarely make a scene. to my surprise in philly, the crowd around us was pretty cool. everyone was having fun but no one was being a dick. i had flip flops on and no one stepped on me. the guy behind me had to pee, but he did so in a cup and i got no splash effect. the whole experience was just awesome.

i think anu's concern is moslty a hit or miss thing (i hope). i've had a grand time at all my mmj shows. i know they are more popular than ever, but their crowds are still better than every other band i've ever seen, except for rusted root haha.

to the bolded.  that is the exact shit we have to look out for.  there is no possible way you could go to a show right now with a cup of piss and not get hit with some splash back, even if you tried to stand still you'd still get pushed by the force of the rock.  

people who don't just take literally 3 or 4minutes to run to the bathroom to piss in a usually empty bathroom are gross.  Dancing around with a glass of piss is one of the nastiest things ever.

See, this is the shit we have to look out for.  If we just chalk this all up to it's just "sex drugs and rock and roll", we lose this band to the losers.  I have been to way too many concerts over the last 25+ yrs to have this happen to one of my fav bands.  I don't care if you take off all your clothes off in front me and f**k whoever in front of me.  Just don't get your beer, piss, puke, blood or whatever on me.  Be respectful of the ones around you is all I am getting at.  I care too much about this band to let this happen.  

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Sooooo, I'm curious. How are you going to stop it? Or, how can I help?  :-/

These might help solve part of the problem.   They work great for not losing your place on the rail, You just have to be careful not to drink to much.

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My first show was in ATL at Chastain. I wasn't really surprised when the lights came down and it smelled like the whole crowd just lit up. I expected that. What I hated were the kids who had never listened to Z or anything except "Highly Suspicious." They talked the whole time even during "Friends Again" and "Anytime" when all I really wanted was to enjoy those songs live with my friends and Jim's voice.

As for the pissing, I actually had a guy stand on either side of him and piss on the concrete behind the seats. Nevermind that it probably seeped    onto the chair below him, it reeked and I had to smell that for the entire encore set.

I thoroughly enjoyed my first MMJ show, I just wished the crowd were more fans than kids wanting to socialize. It would have been better in a smaller venue where the band cold play into the night. But, still a great first experience  ;D.

Interesting thread.   My question is why do people think this is happening now?

It's not like the band is growing wildly more popular and therefore attracting a bigger, less respectful crowd (or do you think so?).   doesn't seem like ticket sales are any faster than last tour- the band has no new album, and has kept a fairly low profile the last 18 months.

Is it that peoples' civility have gone that downhill since MMJ toured last?   I don't get it.

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It's not like the band is growing wildly more popular and therefore attracting a bigger, less respectful crowd (or do you think so?).  

yes, as the fanbase widens, so does the no of 'non music fan' fans, catch 22 of watching your favorite band gain more exposure

QuoteInteresting thread.   My question is why do people think this is happening now?

It's not like the band is growing wildly more popular and therefore attracting a bigger, less respectful crowd (or do you think so?).   doesn't seem like ticket sales are any faster than last tour- the band has no new album, and has kept a fairly low profile the last 18 months.

Is it that peoples' civility have gone that downhill since MMJ toured last?   I don't get it.

"Yo bro, remember that band on American Dad that we thought was made up?  Turns out they are real and touring.  Wanna Go? That shit was HILAAARRRIOUS."

"Oh shit brosive! Lets totally get fucked up and quote American Dad the whole time! Everyone with think its hilarious!"

...maybe something like that?

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QuoteInteresting thread.   My question is why do people think this is happening now?

It's not like the band is growing wildly more popular and therefore attracting a bigger, less respectful crowd (or do you think so?).   doesn't seem like ticket sales are any faster than last tour- the band has no new album, and has kept a fairly low profile the last 18 months.

Is it that peoples' civility have gone that downhill since MMJ toured last?   I don't get it.

"Yo bro, remember that band on American Dad that we thought was made up?  Turns out they are real and touring.  Wanna Go? That shit was HILAAARRRIOUS."

"Oh shit brosive! Lets totally get fucked up and quote American Dad the whole time! Everyone with think its hilarious!"

...maybe something like that?

That sounds about right...Hilarious. I remember the weeks following the airing of My Morning Straitjacket there was a never ending stream of people on MMJ facebook showing up and saying shit just like that!

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It's not like the band is growing wildly more popular and therefore attracting a bigger, less respectful crowd (or do you think so?).  

yes, as the fanbase widens, so does the no of 'non music fan' fans, catch 22 of watching your favorite band gain more exposure

For sure I understand the impact of a bigger fanbase... what I was saying is that I don't see why the fanbase would have grown since last tour.   Are you saying that you think the fanbase has widened?  

I guess MMJ goodness just can't stop from spreading?!

Like many of you, I have been on this band for a very long time and have seen them in tiny venues all the way up to the big ones. It dawned on my a jazzfest how the mmj fanbase seems to slowly but surely grow in size year after year. yes, there seems to be a few more douchers. but as a polo wearing frat asshole in his early thirties, i think the crowd is more into it than ever. but we love this band because they can tear the house down one minute, then slow it down pedal steel style the next. that being said, it is unreasonable to expect a small venue "golden" style vibe throughout the show when OBH is ripping the roof off.

i hate to say it- but it is a rock show. to call a group of people out for being drunk and stupid seems a bit harsh. i suppose they could call you out for being quiet and boring. bottomo line- deal with it. its MMJ, enjoy them while we can.

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Remember when we saw Hendrix in Binh Dinh in '70?  I pissed on you, you puked on me, I threw mokey shit on Jimi, you threw a spear at Mitch Mitchell....  ROCK AND ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Remember when we saw Hendrix in Binh Dinh in '70?  I pissed on you, you puked on me, I threw mokey shit on Jimi, you threw a spear at Mitch Mitchell....  ROCK AND ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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There is a thin line between "having fun in your own way" and being completely rude and obnoxious.  Being piss ass drunk and using your even drunker friend as a battering ram to try to get to the front is the second... Talking during the entire show SCREAMING over the music to try and talk about nonsense not at all related to the artists performing right in front of you is also the second. Its okay to talk, its okay to scream things like "this is the greatest fucking thing I have ever seen"

but you have to be aware that some people are watching this show in a way different from you and they worked hard, planned, and got to the show early to get a good spot.  For you to come last minute, then spend all your time and money buying beers and getting fucked up then rudely forcing your way through the crowd to get a better spot then everyone else just so you can dick around with your friend is inexcusable in my opinion

I like Jeff Tweedy's take

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Remember when we saw Hendrix in Binh Dinh in '70?  I pissed on you, you puked on me, I threw mokey shit on Jimi, you threw a spear at Mitch Mitchell....  ROCK AND ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Talk about a Bungle In The Jungle

^^^I'm embarrased to say that (if memory serves) this was at a Portland show, though I wasn't there. :-[  At the Crystal Ballroom where JJ becomes transfixed by the chandeliers.

EDIT: I mean the Tweedy rant.

QuoteThere is a thin line between "having fun in your own way" and being completely rude and obnoxious.  Being piss ass drunk and using your even drunker friend as a battering ram to try to get to the front is the second... Talking during the entire show SCREAMING over the music to try and talk about nonsense not at all related to the artists performing right in front of you is also the second. Its okay to talk, its okay to scream things like "this is the greatest fucking thing I have ever seen"

but you have to be aware that some people are watching this show in a way different from you and they worked hard, planned, and got to the show early to get a good spot.  For you to come last minute, then spend all your time and money buying beers and getting fucked up then rudely forcing your way through the crowd to get a better spot then everyone else just so you can dick around with your friend is inexcusable in my opinion

I 1000% agree with you.  What the hell is there to talk about when your at a show. Besides telling the person next to you how awsome it is to be there.  At a show all you need to do it turn to your friends around you and make rock and roll gestures or nod your head showing that the music has you on the same wave length. I mean seriously your there to listen and enjoy the music.  I think it's so rude.  I just saw Wilco in Scranton a few weeks back.  Tweedy called out some guy who was actually talking on his phone during the show.  Going to a show is not the same thing as going to a bar or a sporting event.  SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! it's not a social event!! if thats what your there for go to the back of the room.  Let the real fans enjoy what we came to hear and see.

Also you can take your glow sticks and shove where the sun doesn"t shine!!!  MMJ or any band for that matter are not zoo animals or a freak show..you dont need to throw things at them to make sure they are real or to get a rise out of them.  That is sooooo disrespectful to the band and the entire point of them being out there on stage.

If your there for the lot seen and be amazed at all the pretty glow sticks in the air...stay in the lot or go to a biscuts show!!!!!!!!

RANT OVER,,,i truely hope that the people at MPP are not like this

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QuoteThere is a thin line between "having fun in your own way" and being completely rude and obnoxious.  Being piss ass drunk and using your even drunker friend as a battering ram to try to get to the front is the second... Talking during the entire show SCREAMING over the music to try and talk about nonsense not at all related to the artists performing right in front of you is also the second. Its okay to talk, its okay to scream things like "this is the greatest fucking thing I have ever seen"

but you have to be aware that some people are watching this show in a way different from you and they worked hard, planned, and got to the show early to get a good spot.  For you to come last minute, then spend all your time and money buying beers and getting fucked up then rudely forcing your way through the crowd to get a better spot then everyone else just so you can dick around with your friend is inexcusable in my opinion

I 1000% agree with you.  What the hell is there to talk about when your at a show. Besides telling the person next to you how awsome it is to be there.  At a show all you need to do it turn to your friends around you and make rock and roll gestures or nod your head showing that the music has you on the same wave length. I mean seriously your there to listen and enjoy the music.  I think it's so rude.  I just saw Wilco in Scranton a few weeks back.  Tweedy called out some guy who was actually talking on his phone during the show.  Going to a show is not the same thing as going to a bar or a sporting event.  SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! it's not a social event!! if thats what your there for go to the back of the room.  Let the real fans enjoy what we came to hear and see.

Also you can take your glow sticks and shove where the sun doesn"t shine!!!  MMJ or any band for that matter are not zoo animals or a freak show..you dont need to throw things at them to make sure they are real or to get a rise out of them.  That is sooooo disrespectful to the band and the entire point of them being out there on stage.

If your there for the lot seen and be amazed at all the pretty glow sticks in the air...stay in the lot or go to a biscuts show!!!!!!!!

RANT OVER,,,i truely hope that the people at MPP are not like this

Well said.  Though I have noticed that the last few concerts I have been to a well put "SHUT THE FUCK UP' to the talkers has put them in their place and they basically left the area where I was standing.

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I also approve of Tweedy's "Plan B"

You know it has been several days since the show.. But I can not stress how I was thinking along the same lines as the people who were fed up. I was "posting this" in my mind a few times while standing up front. I was just right of center, and about 14 feet back.

Most people have said what I was thinking, and plus I have calmed down a BIT, but I have to say, this was a pretty bad crowd. And of course, I'm not talking about everyone, and I'm not talking to the well behaved people, blah blah blah.. you know who I mean.

People threw Glow sticks at Jim James' face!!?!? I couldn't believe it.. He is way too cool about it all..

I was repeatedly, grabbed, jumped up against, pushed and shoved upon. And THERE WAS ENOUGH ROOM! I would scoot over, and well.. more of the same. Some girl and her "man" kept jumping and literally made my arm raw from smashing against me. I kept moving, but come on.. seriously? How do you not know you are literally ramming your body into another human? And the smelly fat guy who kept jumping up (barely) and then smashing into me because he couldn't control his girth.. Really? The group of  fake "hippies" (I use that term loosely, because real hippies would be cool and mellow, not a bunch of idiots) who came in late, started yelling and jumping on everyone.. What?? I heard, "They won't like it, but I can guarantee we can get closer.. Come on!"  People "finding their friends" only to stop in front of the people that had been standing there the entire show.. People that would PUSH their way through you instead of gently saying excuse me or tapping a shoulder.. Ahh... >:(

What I really want to say is, "you stupid fucks. Keep your shit together and GET OFF ME. I didn't drive 5 + hours one way, spend money for a hotel, ect.. Just so your dumb ass can sweat on me, push me and make me smell like pot!" I've been to HUNDREDS of concerts, hundreds, and there is no excuse for not respecting people. But by all means, if the victims lash out at the concert terrorist, we are the assholes?!

TO THE "It's a concert people, you should expect it!" .. Well I do, and I did.. I KNOW there are idiots everywhere, I KNOW there are people that can not hold their crap together, I KNOW there are disrespectful people in every walk of life, so you don't need to remind me.. I KNOW!

I KNOW this will happen at concerts.. I just would like to think there are better people in the world. I would LIKE to think MMJ's fans are more respectful, I would like to think all the A-holes are at Bon Jovi, I would like to think I could enjoy a concert with out all the hassle. But I also know it isn't going to happen..

We can only hope..  :'(

is this thread for real?  Come on now - this is a Rock & Roll show, not a fuckin' Bon Iver show.  Glowsticks, booze, smoking, sex, laughter, yelling is all apart of the happening.  Stay in back if you don't want in on the fun.  People up front at shows always get rowdy, thats just the way it is and thats the way it will always be.  

Rage against The Machine 07 - I got hit in the face during testify, and I fuckin' liked it.

Pearl Jam - Bonnaroo 08 - the person next to me got so excited during Alive and simply threw his full beer in the air in the middle of the crowd.  I got drenced and fuckin' liked it.

Muse - Coachella 10 - I left with bruises - and I fuckin' liked it.


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i hate to say it- but it is a rock show. to call a group of people out for being drunk and stupid seems a bit harsh. i suppose they could call you out for being quiet and boring. bottomo line- deal with it. its MMJ, enjoy them while we can.

Truuuuuuuuuuuuust that I am neither quiet nor boring during a Jacket show.  I dance my ass off and scream my head off.  But I try not to bump into folks, and if I do I apologize (and mean it).  And I generally save my hollerin' for between songs, you know - when the band can actually hear us expressing our appreciation.

We can all rock the fuck out and still be respectful to each other.  I promise this is true.   ;D

i agree, there always needs to be at least an attempt at respect, mainly for the band busting there ass for us. trust me, i am not the push everyone around-throw beer-piss on someone type. but i do get a little tired of the melancholy dude in the fedora and ironic t shirt staring at people disapprovingly. but, i get over it b/c we are all here to see the biggest baddest best band on earth.

Oh, I agree.  I'm not a fan of the Fold Your Arms Say Meh crowd at all.   ;D  I mean, we're supposedly there to have a good time, right?

Quoteis this thread for real?  Come on now - this is a Rock & Roll show, not a fuckin' Bon Iver show.  Glowsticks, booze, smoking, sex, laughter, yelling is all apart of the happening.  Stay in back if you don't want in on the fun.  People up front at shows always get rowdy, thats just the way it is and thats the way it will always be.  

Rage against The Machine 07 - I got hit in the face during testify, and I fuckin' liked it.

Pearl Jam - Bonnaroo 08 - the person next to me got so excited during Alive and simply threw his full beer in the air in the middle of the crowd.  I got drenced and fuckin' liked it.

Muse - Coachella 10 - I left with bruises - and I fuckin' liked it.


ROCK AND ROLL!!!!

I'm not saying that you shouldn't rock and roll...

I'm saying you need to SHUT THE FUCK UP at a rock show, hang up the phone, make out with your girlfriend after the show and not through glow sticks at the band...it's pretty simple

and fat sweety guy...take a shower before the show if your gonna jump on me.  I don't wear Ironic t-shirst or fidoras.  I like to have a few beers and jump around...but there are deal breakers at shows...

i don't think you need to punch a complete stranger at MMJ..it's a not the same thing as going to a rage against the machine show

QuoteOh, I agree.  I'm not a fan of the Fold Your Arms Say Meh crowd at all.   ;D  I mean, we're supposedly there to have a good time, right?

Pfff, not me. I'm there to disapprove of noobish behavior and tell those stupid kids that they should learn how to enjoy the concert like a REAL fan. Like ME!  :P

Having a good time is SO 2006. HMPH!  >:(  ;D

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"Oh shit brosive! Lets totally get fucked up and quote American Dad the whole time! Everyone with think its hilarious!"

C'mon dude, its "broseph", not "brosive"  ;)

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QuoteOh, I agree.  I'm not a fan of the Fold Your Arms Say Meh crowd at all.   ;D  I mean, we're supposedly there to have a good time, right?

Pfff, not me. I'm there to disapprove of noobish behavior and tell those stupid kids that they should learn how to enjoy the concert like a REAL fan. Like ME!  :P

Having a good time is SO 2006. HMPH!  >:(  ;D

Well I sincerely hope I'm not coming off like that, but upon rereading, I'm sure that I am   ;D

Oh well.  Throw a glowstick at this old lady when you see her next.   ;D

 

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"Oh shit brosive! Lets totally get fucked up and quote American Dad the whole time! Everyone with think its hilarious!"

C'mon dude, its "broseph", not "brosive"  ;)

This thread is a monster.
I think broseidon king of the brocean is still my favorite

AMC, since those JJ blowing your mind to bits shirts dont seem to be happening, how are those Jeff Goldblum wants you to shut the fuck up shirts coming along?? Seems they might be necessary

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QuoteOh, I agree.  I'm not a fan of the Fold Your Arms Say Meh crowd at all.   ;D  I mean, we're supposedly there to have a good time, right?

Pfff, not me. I'm there to disapprove of noobish behavior and tell those stupid kids that they should learn how to enjoy the concert like a REAL fan. Like ME!  :P

Having a good time is SO 2006. HMPH!  >:(  ;D

Well I sincerely hope I'm not coming off like that, but upon rereading, I'm sure that I am   ;D

Oh well.  Throw a glowstick at this old lady when you see her next.   ;D

;D I didn't mean it like that! I was just being an idiot... :)

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"Oh shit brosive! Lets totally get fucked up and quote American Dad the whole time! Everyone with think its hilarious!"

C'mon dude, its "broseph", not "brosive"  ;)

I think "brosive" is the style of ornate writing that a "bro" writes in. Maybe something like this...

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Quoteis this thread for real?  Come on now - this is a Rock & Roll show, not a fuckin' Bon Iver show.  Glowsticks, booze, smoking, sex, laughter, yelling is all apart of the happening.  Stay in back if you don't want in on the fun.  People up front at shows always get rowdy, thats just the way it is and thats the way it will always be.  

Rage against The Machine 07 - I got hit in the face during testify, and I fuckin' liked it.

Pearl Jam - Bonnaroo 08 - the person next to me got so excited during Alive and simply threw his full beer in the air in the middle of the crowd.  I got drenced and fuckin' liked it.

Muse - Coachella 10 - I left with bruises - and I fuckin' liked it.


ROCK AND ROLL!!!!

I hear ya' bro!

Molly Hatchet- 81 - My buddy Aircastle a.k.a. AC (he was an awesome air guitar player, won 4th prize at the Myrtle Beach Air Guitar contest in 79, air guitaring to Flying Turkey Trot) got bashed in the head with a 2x4 by some acid head during the guitar solo on Flirtin' with Disaster. He was OUT COLD for a good hour but his bad luck b/c there was still 45 minutes left in the show. I like so appreicated the guy with the stick and bought him a beer and you know ROCK AND ROLL!! We carried AC to the car and these chicks were like MAN he's wasted! and some old fart was like DUDE you better stop his head from bleeding then found the late night boog; just left him in the car, plus we got most of the bleeding to stop. We came out around 4 am and we propped him up and took pictures of him like holding a bong and a tampon!   ;D ;D Then around noon the next day, Flashpants convinced us to take AC to the hospital and we were going over to Spotty and Boochies to pick up some sinse-bud anyway so we took him in to the hospital on the way back and the doctor got all mad and we're like chill dude!  You know, where do you keep the gooooood drugs?  LMAO So anyway, we didn't see AC for a while after that and found out he somehow suffered a major brain hemmorage and was clinically dead for about an hour and now he lives with his mom and is fully paralyzed and can't speak or do a whole lot more than just sit there with a feeding tube and a tee-tee bag b/c I went over there last week and I got him to listen to some of that old rock but he just sort of sat there and didn't move and I was like "remember the good ol days?"


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^^^^^^Heeeeey-ooooooooooooooooh^^^^^^ ;D

Here's a story a friend of mine told me. He's an older ski bum/rock enthusiast from Denver...

This one time in the early 70s, we were at Red Rocks for a Jethro Tull concert. We didn't actually have tickets, but back then they'd let you get up on this hill outside of the amphitheatre, and you could hear the concert pretty well. We were all partying up there before the show even started.

Well, I remember this one guy, he had this rag soaked in paint or something, and a big quart sized bottle of beer. He was completely fucked up. He'd smother his nose and mouth with that painty rag, take a big, deep huff, then chase it down with a pull from that big ol' beer bottle. We saw him fall down a few times. We were pretty out of it too, everyone really, but not like that guy.

Well, it was getting past when Tull should've come on, and people were getting restless. There were security/police in the area to keep all the non-ticket holders up on the hill and from crashing the gates. So this guy, the paint rag/quart bottle guy, he's just standing there with the lower half of his face all covered in paint, kind of tottering back and forth and looking down the hill at this scene. He takes one last, deep huff of paint, then takes another pull off the bottle, cocks it back and chucks it down the hill. We all just watched it soar, like it was in slow motion, and saw it fall down the hill through the air and smash into the head of one of the horse mounted poilice officers, knocked him right off his horse.

Well, that set it all off. Tear gas, helicopters. They shut down rock bands from playing at Red Rocks for several years after that!

Dude, sweet story...  ;D

painty rag huffs with quart o' beer chaser  ;D

ah, the youngins just dont know how to rock at a concert anymore!

 :-/

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/22604/My-Morning-Jacket-04.30-North-Carolina

sigh. dudebros.
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LA shows don't have this problem. Not with a band like MMJ atleast... You get the weed and some smoke, but that's not much to complain about in the quantities we get it

Like I mentioned before the ATL show was the same way and was disappointing.  But the MPP was awesome, the crowd was totally in to the show and not just there to talk and throw glow sticks.

Wow, I'm glad that everyone (with the exception of the one drunk guy who was ready to puke) was fantastic at MPP. I think we should all start "show pooling" together, because it was one of the best experiences I've ever had since I started going to shows, and I've seen a LOT of shows. Amazing people, and a phenomenal show!

I'm hoping Easy Way will back me up on this, but I found the Atlanta show to be a highlight.  I had more rudeness and drunken cluelessness in Nashville than in Atlanta.  Maybe we lucked out with where were were "sitting" (don't think I sat the entire night).  Lots of room to dance my ass off without bumping into anyone.  I'm sorry others had a bad time in Atlanta.  Sounds like NC had some issues, and Nashville had some fuckers TRYING to hit YY in the face with glowsticks, which also happened in NC according to the article.  I guess the consolation is that even a bad MMJ concert is a great concert.  Its never that the boys are not bringing it onstage, its just the crowd sometimes contains pricks who thought it was gonna be ____________________ (insert name of band that draws assholes to their shows).

QuoteWow, I'm glad that everyone (with the exception of the one drunk guy who was ready to puke) was fantastic at MPP. I think we should all start "show pooling" together, because it was one of the best experiences I've ever had since I started going to shows, and I've seen a LOT of shows. Amazing people, and a phenomenal show!

totally.  i don't remember anything negative happening, at least not that i saw or heard.  a girl accidentally spilled half a beer down my arm but she apologized, sincerely, like 3 or 4 times.  a couple of guys eeked into the space just in front of sis and me & were kind enough to oblige my request to swap sides so the taller one wasn't blocking our view.  they were totally into the show too & shared a little something later as well, so it was all good.  and i didn't see 1 single glowstick.

there just seemed to be tons and tons of positive vibes coming from everyone in that place.  the band & the crowd were just feeding off  each other's excitement.  the band fucking rocked for 2 solid hours.  it was a magical night.

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Quoteis this thread for real?  Come on now - this is a Rock & Roll show, not a fuckin' Bon Iver show.  Glowsticks, booze, smoking, sex, laughter, yelling is all apart of the happening.  Stay in back if you don't want in on the fun.  People up front at shows always get rowdy, thats just the way it is and thats the way it will always be.  

Rage against The Machine 07 - I got hit in the face during testify, and I fuckin' liked it.

Pearl Jam - Bonnaroo 08 - the person next to me got so excited during Alive and simply threw his full beer in the air in the middle of the crowd.  I got drenced and fuckin' liked it.

Muse - Coachella 10 - I left with bruises - and I fuckin' liked it.


ROCK AND ROLL!!!!

I hear ya' bro!

Molly Hatchet- 81 - My buddy Aircastle a.k.a. AC (he was an awesome air guitar player, won 4th prize at the Myrtle Beach Air Guitar contest in 79, air guitaring to Flying Turkey Trot) got bashed in the head with a 2x4 by some acid head during the guitar solo on Flirtin' with Disaster. He was OUT COLD for a good hour but his bad luck b/c there was still 45 minutes left in the show. I like so appreicated the guy with the stick and bought him a beer and you know ROCK AND ROLL!! We carried AC to the car and these chicks were like MAN he's wasted! and some old fart was like DUDE you better stop his head from bleeding then found the late night boog; just left him in the car, plus we got most of the bleeding to stop. We came out around 4 am and we propped him up and took pictures of him like holding a bong and a tampon!   ;D ;D Then around noon the next day, Flashpants convinced us to take AC to the hospital and we were going over to Spotty and Boochies to pick up some sinse-bud anyway so we took him in to the hospital on the way back and the doctor got all mad and we're like chill dude!  You know, where do you keep the gooooood drugs?  LMAO So anyway, we didn't see AC for a while after that and found out he somehow suffered a major brain hemmorage and was clinically dead for about an hour and now he lives with his mom and is fully paralyzed and can't speak or do a whole lot more than just sit there with a feeding tube and a tee-tee bag b/c I went over there last week and I got him to listen to some of that old rock but he just sort of sat there and didn't move and I was like "remember the good ol days?"


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FUCK YA! I'm glad someone sees eye to eye with me.  That's a fuckin' HARD-CORE story - bad ass to the bone.  Lets party.  

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Quoteis this thread for real?  Come on now - this is a Rock & Roll show, not a fuckin' Bon Iver show.  Glowsticks, booze, smoking, sex, laughter, yelling is all apart of the happening.  Stay in back if you don't want in on the fun.  People up front at shows always get rowdy, thats just the way it is and thats the way it will always be.  

Rage against The Machine 07 - I got hit in the face during testify, and I fuckin' liked it.

Pearl Jam - Bonnaroo 08 - the person next to me got so excited during Alive and simply threw his full beer in the air in the middle of the crowd.  I got drenced and fuckin' liked it.

Muse - Coachella 10 - I left with bruises - and I fuckin' liked it.


ROCK AND ROLL!!!!

I hear ya' bro!

Molly Hatchet- 81 - My buddy Aircastle a.k.a. AC (he was an awesome air guitar player, won 4th prize at the Myrtle Beach Air Guitar contest in 79, air guitaring to Flying Turkey Trot) got bashed in the head with a 2x4 by some acid head during the guitar solo on Flirtin' with Disaster. He was OUT COLD for a good hour but his bad luck b/c there was still 45 minutes left in the show. I like so appreicated the guy with the stick and bought him a beer and you know ROCK AND ROLL!! We carried AC to the car and these chicks were like MAN he's wasted! and some old fart was like DUDE you better stop his head from bleeding then found the late night boog; just left him in the car, plus we got most of the bleeding to stop. We came out around 4 am and we propped him up and took pictures of him like holding a bong and a tampon!   ;D ;D Then around noon the next day, Flashpants convinced us to take AC to the hospital and we were going over to Spotty and Boochies to pick up some sinse-bud anyway so we took him in to the hospital on the way back and the doctor got all mad and we're like chill dude!  You know, where do you keep the gooooood drugs?  LMAO So anyway, we didn't see AC for a while after that and found out he somehow suffered a major brain hemmorage and was clinically dead for about an hour and now he lives with his mom and is fully paralyzed and can't speak or do a whole lot more than just sit there with a feeding tube and a tee-tee bag b/c I went over there last week and I got him to listen to some of that old rock but he just sort of sat there and didn't move and I was like "remember the good ol days?"


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FUCK YA! I'm glad someone sees eye to eye with me.  That's a fuckin' HARD-CORE story - bad ass to the bone.  Lets party.  

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We are entering The Age of the Bro.  Watch the dude in the blue shirt, he hugs every dude he can get his hands on.  We're screwed.

I have to disagree,  for the most part the fellow MMJ fans at shows are great!  If I ever got pumped at all people would appologize right away and no pushing.  Every other show I go to my wife gets pumbled by people who are drunk, never once at a MMJ show.  I saw a guy smoke a joint at the last show, but It truly wasn't hurtin anybody

and it aint evil if it ain't hurtin anybody.

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We are entering The Age of the Bro.  Watch the dude in the blue shirt, he hugs every dude he can get his hands on.  We're screwed.

;D

Smokin - how does one get "pumbled"? Is that when you get pummeled by someone who is stumbling?

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We are entering The Age of the Bro.  Watch the dude in the blue shirt, he hugs every dude he can get his hands on.  We're screwed.

Woohoo more hugs&love and less glowstick-throwing, I'm all for it!  :D

I'm the biggest MMJ "fan" that I've ever met and I'm Stoned and Drunk at every f'ing concert (usually) and I'm more intelligent than the baby that started this thread...you know why?  Because I hang back and have a good time, and if I do decide to go close to the stage I REALIZE that the people up close (especially the beginners) are going to be melting their f'ing faces off and are not going to be able to contain themselves...basically, if you are really a MMJ-head then you should be smart enough to know how emotional this shit can get...and if you are too old at heart to take a little beating and are too much of a (expletive) to handle a little bit of smoke and weed then get your stupid ass to the back and shut the fuck up.

That's all I got for now, I'm just sick of people who need everything to be just perfect for them and bitch about people having a good time when it isn't their idea of what good "is" defined as...and as far as the glow sticks, don't throw them at Yim Yames, b/c if I see someone hit my man in the face there will be the beat down of your lifetime and you will be lucky to still have teeth, be responsible with your glowsticks and do drugs if it makes you happy, and if it doesn't...then shut up and mind your own business and enjoy the FACE MELT!

Oh yeah, thanks to Yim & MMJ for rocking so hard in Columbus, it was epic as always...much love.

I'm all for getting stoned and drunk at a rock show and whatever else you feel like taking.  If the music is your mission then I support it.  What took me back a little were the people I ran into at the Cary show that gave fuck all about My Morning Jacket.  More people looking down at their phones or talking about last nights bull shit that was on TV.  

The contrast of seeing Widespread Panic the weekend before and feelign 7,000 people all grooving to the same beat made matters worse too and as you know all of those fans were on something, but they know where to put their focus.  

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exactly how big are you?

What a songdiver may look like:

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I'm real curious as to how that introduction went,and did you shake your own hand?  ;)

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Smokin - how does one get "pumbled"? Is that when you get pummeled by someone who is stumbling?

yup you have to be really drunk to pumble someone haha

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We are entering The Age of the Bro.  Watch the dude in the blue shirt, he hugs every dude he can get his hands on.  We're screwed.

Woohoo more hugs&love and less glowstick-throwing, I'm all for it!  :D

I'm pro-peace for sure, pro-bro is something else altogether.  I'm a liberal guy but I'm definitely not pro-bro.  The Age Of The Bro is something we all should fear, let us not get it confused with The Age Of The Brah.  These "bro's" are a nuisance and must be destroyed.  Only because they have no respect for the music.  

You might say, "Well I'm a girl, am I a bro if I talk during a show?".  The Answer is no bananer's.  You'd be a dumb bitch.  you and the other ladies here don't seem to have any symptoms of "dumb bitch disorder" as far as I can tell so you're cool with me.  Chicks who talk to their BFF's, take constant pics with their phone, and flat out don't pay attention are what I'd consider, at least in this scenario, a dumb bitch.  

I haven't been here nearly as long as everybody else but I can tell you this, the bro's are coming and there isn't much we can do about it.  If we're not passionate as fuck and if we don't rock as hard as we possibly can next time they tour the vibe of the bro could fuck us.  Then the lots will be over run with bro's and dumb bitches galore, and for what?  the chance to throw a fucking glow stick at somebody famous.

Like cancer these people spread from show to show, band to band.  Forming a parasitic bond that is hard to reverse, they in most cases are a life time disease.  Similar to Aids.  It's been discussed.  Bro's/Dumb Bitche's are like Cancer-Aids. We must be strong.

The Dude in that gif didn't even try to get in the zone during Tonight I Want to Celebrate with you.  Ridiculous.  It's the first song they played too! usually when I'm at a show one of the most pumped moments is yelling until they finally come out and start into that first tune no matter what it is.  

I Guess... in a way I don't understand why people pay money to see a band and then talk the whole time, give each other hj's, talk on their phone, etc.  To me, they mine as well sit in the parking lot.

uh, widespread panic?  apparently you haven't been educated on the power of manipulation while people are on psychoactive drugs.  Sure people at those "peaceful" concerts are probably a little less rough than some rock shows, but they are also being brainwashed in the meantime and do not have the ability to understand the process b/c they are a bunch of rich yuppies who get to go to concerts b/c their parents spoil them and never educated them on the effects of drugs.  They'll all be CEOs one day though and will sit in an office trying figure out a way to reconnect their neurons while their life passes them by and the people who actually paid attention while doing drugs are actually living our lives.

I have seen MMJ 5 times and have not witnessed what is being discussed by some of you.  I was just in Columbus and people were having a great time.  If you are seeing these problems it's b/c you aren't enjoying the show or you are anal and it is simply your perception of what "is happening"...and i think many people are looking at their cell phones b/c they are taking pictures and texting friends about the show.  

Yes, you can meet yourself, unless you don't have the ability to alter your reality.  Go read some books on quantum mechanics.

Sorry if any of you think I'm being an ass, I just think it's pathetic for any of you to be tricked by just a few idiots into thinking that MMJ aren't playing peaceful shows anymore.  I was there...I saw good things...you can live in the dark if you want.

BTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

QuoteBTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

you're the dude in the blue shirt aren't you?

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QuoteBTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

you're the dude in the blue shirt aren't you?

if i could whistle i would... them's fightin' words, boys.

sticky's "age of the bros" has nothing to do with more people "getting it".  in fact, it's the exact opposite.  he's talking about the kind of people that go to a show for all the wrong reasons.  they have no idea that mmj is possibly THE greatest motherfucking band of all time.  they throw glowsticks @ the band & chatter incessantly throughout the sets.  in other words - they're totally disrespectful towards the band.    

i wouldn't call that snobbery.  don't we all try to protect the things we love?  

 

I'm stoned, drunk, rude, and stupid right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

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QuoteBTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

you're the dude in the blue shirt aren't you?

if i could whistle i would... them's fightin' words, boys.

sticky's "age of the bros" has nothing to do with more people "getting it".  in fact, it's the exact opposite.  he's talking about the kind of people that go to a show for all the wrong reasons.  they have no idea that mmj is possibly THE greatest motherfucking band of all time.  they throw glowsticks @ the band & chatter incessantly throughout the sets.  in other words - they're totally disrespectful towards the band.    

i wouldn't call that snobbery.  don't we all try to protect the things we love?  

 

Exactly. At Monsters of Folk, people were screaming "ONE BIG HOLIDAY" during Bermuda Highway. that's not exactly "Getting it"

QuoteI'm stoned, drunk, rude, and stupid right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

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+1?

im with you songdiver...why are people racking on other people liking good music?  People get their panties in a wad and go on rants that Vampire Weekend is over rated and Passion Pit is annoying.  Well I'll tell you one thing - I would much rather have bands like MGMT, KOL and John Legend rule the pop charts than Stained, Limp Biskit and Creed like we had a couple years ago.  

Remember - everyone liked the Stones and everyone liked Stevie Wonder.  Just because all walks of life (pumelers, "fans", idiots, drunks and superfans) enjoy the same kind of music, doesn't mean there's a bad thing going on.  

I am so happy...so so happy, quality music is finally becoming popular again.

Question: any old timers out there? Dead heads, Stone's fans? Im sure people bitched about the same kinda shit when The Hells Angles started attending Dead shows....

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QuoteBTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

you're the dude in the blue shirt aren't you?

Sticky!

Raaaaazor sharp, son! Razor sharp!

You get a Wilford Brimley for that one  :)

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QuoteBTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

you're the dude in the blue shirt aren't you?

Sticky!

Raaaaazor sharp, son! Razor sharp!

You get a Wilford Brimley for that one  :)

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that DEFINITELY deserved a WB!  ;D ;D

QuoteBTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

Good thing you are over labels.  ;)

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QuoteBTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

Good thing you are over labels.  ;)

this dude is a total contradiction.    ;D

Quoteim with you songdiver...why are people racking on other people liking good music?  People get their panties in a wad and go on rants that Vampire Weekend is over rated and Passion Pit is annoying.  Well I'll tell you one thing - I would much rather have bands like MGMT, KOL and John Legend rule the pop charts than Stained, Limp Biskit and Creed like we had a couple years ago.  

Remember - everyone liked the Stones and everyone liked Stevie Wonder.  Just because all walks of life (pumelers, "fans", idiots, drunks and superfans) enjoy the same kind of music, doesn't mean there's a bad thing going on.  

I am so happy...so so happy, quality music is finally becoming popular again.

Question: any old timers out there? Dead heads, Stone's fans? Im sure people bitched about the same kinda shit when The Hells Angles started attending Dead shows....

Well, sonny....  I remember, way back, when there was this thing called MTV.  And the M stood for Music, unlike today.  And there was this band called the Grateful Dead.  And they released an album and made one of them fancy music videos for the song "Touch of Grey".  Well, wouldn't you know it, but a bunch of young whippersnappers saw this video and wanted to see what all the fuss was about.  Suddenly, here's us old folks (used ta call us Deadheads) and these Dead virgins getting in the way, don't know the words, can't tell what song is coming next from the look on Phil's face ten minutes earlier.  Ayup.  That was the beginning of the End.  Its probably what killed Jerry, those know-nothing, Polo-shirt wearing frat boys!  Damn them!  Damn them all to Hell!

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QuoteBTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

you're the dude in the blue shirt aren't you?

Sticky!

Raaaaazor sharp, son! Razor sharp!

You get a Wilford Brimley for that one  :)

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that DEFINITELY deserved a WB!  ;D ;D

A WB and a 4 Popped Collar.

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QuoteBTW, I used to be a liberal too before I understood the stupidity of labels.  You people should be happy these "BROS" are finally listening to good music...that is a positive change...stop trying to be snobs and embrace the revolution.  The only people I still meet who act like music snobs (like I did years ago) are people who have issues they haven't gotten over and want to make fun of less intelligent people to feel better.  You are being as bad as the people you are making fun of.  I don't like frat boys either, but it makes me happy they are finally "getting it"

you're the dude in the blue shirt aren't you?

if i could whistle i would... them's fightin' words, boys.

sticky's "age of the bros" has nothing to do with more people "getting it".  in fact, it's the exact opposite.  he's talking about the kind of people that go to a show for all the wrong reasons.  they have no idea that mmj is possibly THE greatest motherfucking band of all time.  they throw glowsticks @ the band & chatter incessantly throughout the sets.  in other words - they're totally disrespectful towards the band.    

i wouldn't call that snobbery.  don't we all try to protect the things we love?  

 

I saw Andrew Bird try to "handle" some of these guys once. Early on, he tried explaining that since he "hit the big time" (saracasm) that he was used to playing to more attentive crowds at smaller, sit down venues; that playing a big bar was harder b/c of all the people talking. And some dudes in the front were talking TO HIM during one of his more quiet ballads and he stopped playing and just looked at the guys and said into the microphone, "I think the problem is that you and I are on totally different planes right now" and after the guys whoooped and hollered by being called out by the lead singer, Andrew just starting laughing and shaking his head.

That's a true story I have and I just shared it.  :)

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We are entering The Age of the Bro.  Watch the dude in the blue shirt, he hugs every dude he can get his hands on.  We're screwed.

Woohoo more hugs&love and less glowstick-throwing, I'm all for it!  :D

I'm pro-peace for sure, pro-bro is something else altogether.  I'm a liberal guy but I'm definitely not pro-bro.  The Age Of The Bro is something we all should fear, let us not get it confused with The Age Of The Brah.  These "bro's" are a nuisance and must be destroyed.  Only because they have no respect for the music.  

You might say, "Well I'm a girl, am I a bro if I talk during a show?".  The Answer is no bananer's.  You'd be a dumb bitch.  you and the other ladies here don't seem to have any symptoms of "dumb bitch disorder" as far as I can tell so you're cool with me.  Chicks who talk to their BFF's, take constant pics with their phone, and flat out don't pay attention are what I'd consider, at least in this scenario, a dumb bitch.  

I haven't been here nearly as long as everybody else but I can tell you this, the bro's are coming and there isn't much we can do about it.  If we're not passionate as fuck and if we don't rock as hard as we possibly can next time they tour the vibe of the bro could fuck us.  Then the lots will be over run with bro's and dumb bitches galore, and for what?  the chance to throw a fucking glow stick at somebody famous.

Like cancer these people spread from show to show, band to band.  Forming a parasitic bond that is hard to reverse, they in most cases are a life time disease.  Similar to Aids.  It's been discussed.  Bro's/Dumb Bitche's are like Cancer-Aids. We must be strong.

The Dude in that gif didn't even try to get in the zone during Tonight I Want to Celebrate with you.  Ridiculous.  It's the first song they played too! usually when I'm at a show one of the most pumped moments is yelling until they finally come out and start into that first tune no matter what it is.  

I Guess... in a way I don't understand why people pay money to see a band and then talk the whole time, give each other hj's, talk on their phone, etc.  To me, they mine as well sit in the parking lot.

Hahaha, I'm pro-love, any kind of love, as much love as possible, more loooove [ch9829], but definitely not pro-talking-while-the-band-plays, that's a different thing.

QuoteI know that the Bon Jovi show was down the road at the Bridgestone Arena. But I wonder if they had more intelligent & respectful fans there than we did at the half-empty Municipal Auditorium last night.

There's very little that I can attribute the rude and rowdy mess I experienced down front by stage other than to the abuse of drugs and alcohol. It was sick, and not in the good way that Dondante, Smokin from Shootin, OTR, or Run Thru was.

I have loved this band more than any other in recent years.

And I cannot complain that the set last night was not one of the best. And I cannot complain that the fans I stood near didn't know the songs; in fact, folks knew all the words to every song, even to some of the covers I did not recognize.

The thick and sticky ganja smoke was bad enough, but the cigarette smoke was excessive and puke worthy. Does MMJ attract that many people addicted to nicotine, with no respect for their neighbors, or the indoor smoking ban in our fine state of Tennessee?

For too many years, I went to Jacket shows wasted. I imagine what I saw last night was probably karmic payback for my own stupidity on previous MMJ benders. But the experience of seeing the jacket sober was seriously diminished by the antics of my drunken peers.

Not once, but multiple times, Yim was pelted with glowsticks. Many frontfolk would not have his grace and professionalism and would have walked off stage.

Lots of people who are not drug addicts or alcoholics can handle their buzz and respect their neighbors. However, in the crowd at the Jacket last night, I saw far too many people too fucked up to care that some people do not want to be groped, bumped, ass-grabbed, screamed at, or have giant wafts of nasty tobacco smoke blown in their faces for the sake of *your* good time.

I know that if I want to be sober and still go to shows, I need to put up with stuff like this. However, I hope better for the Jacket and their incredibly dedicated fanbase. Please, handle your buzz & respect your neighbor or get the help that I needed to get & get clean & sober.

Rant over. Forgive me my rant as I forgive y'all for what I saw last night.

Peace,
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Bon Jovi?........YIKES!!!

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You might say, "Well I'm a girl, am I a bro if I talk during a show?".  The Answer is no bananer's.  You'd be a dumb bitch.  

I just white dragoned my iced tea  ;D

Whoa, this one really went places since I checked it last. Isn't songdiver the guy who wanted us all to move to Louisville with him a few years back? Seems like a really smart guy (possibly a genius), droppin' quantum mechanics on us and all.

This may be the longest lasting thread I've ever started on any fan board ever. Whoosh.

A matter of days after the Nashville show, I celebrated my one-year-sobriety birthday, & I'm now writing an essay about Yim's lyrics, my Jacket fandom, & the road to recovery.

QuoteThis may be the longest lasting thread I've ever started on any fan board ever. Whoosh.

A matter of days after the Nashville show, I celebrated my one-year-sobriety birthday, & I'm now writing an essay about Yim's lyrics, my Jacket fandom, & the road to recovery.

Good for you, Anu.  You definitely started a classic thread.  

QuoteI'm 32 and I prefer chairbacks.  I love the experience of being on the rail, but the drama sucks.  Most of the time for me, it's just not worth it.  

I'm 32 and I don't prefer chairbacks.  Rock with me flyguy.  It'll be worth it. ;D :-*

This thread cracks me up.  It reminds me of a frat boy.

QuoteThis may be the longest lasting thread I've ever started on any fan board ever. Whoosh.

A matter of days after the Nashville show, I celebrated my one-year-sobriety birthday, & I'm now writing an essay about Yim's lyrics, my Jacket fandom, & the road to recovery.

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You might say, "Well I'm a girl, am I a bro if I talk during a show?".  The Answer is no bananer's.  You'd be a dumb bitch.  

I just white dragoned my iced tea  ;D

OMG. I had to look that up on urban dictionary. Disgusting!!

You didn't even use that properly.  ;D It's supposed to come out through the girl's nose. Ick.

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I'm 32 and I don't prefer chairbacks.  Rock with me flyguy.  It'll be worth it. ;D :-*

I just like to have my "defined area"; I don't actually use the seats for anything more than a barricade.  Also, there's a good chance for several beer/bathroom breaks and, although I've never tried either, I just don't think that I would be a fan of Depends or a catheter.

Ruckus, if we ever end up at the same show, I pledge to rock the rail with you.

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QuoteI'm 32 and I prefer chairbacks.  I love the experience of being on the rail, but the drama sucks.  Most of the time for me, it's just not worth it.  

I'm 32 and I don't prefer chairbacks.  Rock with me flyguy.  It'll be worth it. ;D :-*

I just like to have my "defined area"; I don't actually use the seats for anything more than a barricade.  Also, there's a good chance for several beer/bathroom breaks and, although I've never tried either, I just don't think that I would be a fan of Depends or a catheter.

Ruckus, if we ever end up at the same show, I pledge to rock the rail with you.

I'm hurt, Rowan. Hurt, confused, and sad.  ::)

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QuoteI'm 32 and I prefer chairbacks.  I love the experience of being on the rail, but the drama sucks.  Most of the time for me, it's just not worth it.  

I'm 32 and I don't prefer chairbacks.  Rock with me flyguy.  It'll be worth it. ;D :-*

I just like to have my "defined area"; I don't actually use the seats for anything more than a barricade.  Also, there's a good chance for several beer/bathroom breaks and, although I've never tried either, I just don't think that I would be a fan of Depends or a catheter.

Ruckus, if we ever end up at the same show, I pledge to rock the rail with you.

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QuoteI'm 32 and I prefer chairbacks.  I love the experience of being on the rail, but the drama sucks.  Most of the time for me, it's just not worth it.  

I'm 32 and I don't prefer chairbacks.  Rock with me flyguy.  It'll be worth it. ;D :-*

I just like to have my "defined area"; I don't actually use the seats for anything more than a barricade.  Also, there's a good chance for several beer/bathroom breaks and, although I've never tried either, I just don't think that I would be a fan of Depends or a catheter.

Ruckus, if we ever end up at the same show, I pledge to rock the rail with you.

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If I'm drinking, I avoid the front for two reasons:

1) It's harder to get to/from bar at most venues
2) I don't want some jackass knocking into my beer or, in the alternative, I don't want to have to battle a crowd with a beverage

I was at said Nashville show. I didnt read any of this thread except the first and last page, but I feel like going to a show with thousands of people, most of which are probably in their 20's, at a venue that sells alcohol you should expect people to be "drunk and stupid." I mean, it IS a rock concert. Sorry if I sound rude, but complaining about other people having fun that you don't agree with personally is a little bit ridiculous in my opinion.

Quoteuh, widespread panic?  apparently you haven't been educated on the power of manipulation while people are on psychoactive drugs.  Sure people at those "peaceful" concerts are probably a little less rough than some rock shows, but they are also being brainwashed in the meantime and do not have the ability to understand the process b/c they are a bunch of rich yuppies who get to go to concerts b/c their parents spoil them and never educated them on the effects of drugs.  They'll all be CEOs one day though and will sit in an office trying figure out a way to reconnect their neurons while their life passes them by and the people who actually paid attention while doing drugs are actually living our lives.

I have seen MMJ 5 times and have not witnessed what is being discussed by some of you.  I was just in Columbus and people were having a great time.  If you are seeing these problems it's b/c you aren't enjoying the show or you are anal and it is simply your perception of what "is happening"...and i think many people are looking at their cell phones b/c they are taking pictures and texting friends about the show.  

Yes, you can meet yourself, unless you don't have the ability to alter your reality.  Go read some books on quantum mechanics.

Sorry if any of you think I'm being an ass, I just think it's pathetic for any of you to be tricked by just a few idiots into thinking that MMJ aren't playing peaceful shows anymore.  I was there...I saw good things...you can live in the dark if you want.

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I'm 32 and I don't prefer chairbacks.  Rock with me flyguy.  It'll be worth it. ;D :-*

I just like to have my "defined area"; I don't actually use the seats for anything more than a barricade.  Also, there's a good chance for several beer/bathroom breaks and, although I've never tried either, I just don't think that I would be a fan of Depends or a catheter.

Ruckus, if we ever end up at the same show, I pledge to rock the rail with you.

I'm hurt, Rowan. Hurt, confused, and sad.  ::)

Ruckus blew me a kiss.  That's what put me over the edge.

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I just white dragoned my iced tea  ;D

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This year at Sasquatch I was on the rail all day on Saturday so I could be up front for the Jacket.  It was interesting to watch because as the day progressed the audience morphed as the bands changed.  By the time OK Go came on it was fairly crowded and the audience started getting a little more lively, but generally cool.  Then Broken Social Scene came on and the crowd thickened up a bit, but were still having a good time and being respectful.  When The National hit the stage it was definitely SRO by that point but everybody was rocking out having a good time; some crowd surfing started, a few people got rowdy, but still generally righteous - everybody was superenjoying the show and wondering what Matt would do next.  Then Vampire Weekend took the stage.  Adios mio.  I mean, I admit that I'm not a fan of VW, however, I can tap a toe here and there when it comes on the radio.  The Bros showed up in force.  It was obvious though that most were clearly just there to "be there" and the picture taking and the smoking and the crowd surfing and moshing, yes you heard me: MOSHING, to VW???  WTF?! The same kids, over and over being hauled over the rail, only to sail overhead again 10 minutes later.  Pushing to the front so their iPhones could get a better pic of Bro being pulled over the rail by security. Ridiculous. That is not enjoying the music in my opinion; that is being a douchy self-involved tool who can't handle their emotions or social behavior or whatever.  Happily, they must have all gone off to the dance tent by the time the Jacket came on because the crowd surfing stopped and listening/mace-felting began.  Life was right once again and we enjoyed a stellar set with no trouble.

Just because somebody overindulges at a show, or gets their ya ya's out by showing off for their friends while a band happens to be playing is not excused because it's "Rock N Roll, man".   A douche is a douche no matter where it's injected.

Ya, I'm old.  So what.

"A douche is a douche no matter where it's injected." -vespachick

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I have to say the drunk douchebags at the MMJ show at Red Rocks in 2008 completely ruined the experience for me.  Which is  a shame because I'd long wanted to see a show at Red Rocks (and for the love of christ, it was My Morning Jacket!)...

That was indeed a bummer.

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I just white dragoned my iced tea  ;D

OMG. I had to look that up on urban dictionary. Disgusting!!

You didn't even use that properly.  ;D It's supposed to come out through the girl's nose. Ick.

saying white dragon is a lot easier than saying "im drinking iced tea and I just laughed so hard it came out my nose"

Plus, I get to teach girls like you dirty things.  ;)

QuoteThis year at Sasquatch I was on the rail all day on Saturday so I could be up front for the Jacket.  It was interesting to watch because as the day progressed the audience morphed as the bands changed.  By the time OK Go came on it was fairly crowded and the audience started getting a little more lively, but generally cool.  Then Broken Social Scene came on and the crowd thickened up a bit, but were still having a good time and being respectful.  When The National hit the stage it was definitely SRO by that point but everybody was rocking out having a good time; some crowd surfing started, a few people got rowdy, but still generally righteous - everybody was superenjoying the show and wondering what Matt would do next.  Then Vampire Weekend took the stage.  Adios mio.  I mean, I admit that I'm not a fan of VW, however, I can tap a toe here and there when it comes on the radio.  The Bros showed up in force.  It was obvious though that most were clearly just there to "be there" and the picture taking and the smoking and the crowd surfing and moshing, yes you heard me: MOSHING, to VW???  WTF?! The same kids, over and over being hauled over the rail, only to sail overhead again 10 minutes later.  Pushing to the front so their iPhones could get a better pic of Bro being pulled over the rail by security. Ridiculous. That is not enjoying the music in my opinion; that is being a douchy self-involved tool who can't handle their emotions or social behavior or whatever.  Happily, they must have all gone off to the dance tent by the time the Jacket came on because the crowd surfing stopped and listening/mace-felting began.  Life was right once again and we enjoyed a stellar set with no trouble.

Just because somebody overindulges at a show, or gets their ya ya's out by showing off for their friends while a band happens to be playing is not excused because it's "Rock N Roll, man".   A douche is a douche no matter where it's injected.

Ya, I'm old.  So what.

I'm not saying people should get away with physically invading someones space (ie pushing, "moshing", hitting, whatever), but if I go see a band I like, I'm gonna drink a good amount of beer before/during/after the show. Seeing your band you enjoy live is a cause of celebration! Its a night to have a good time, and many people have a better time letting loose when substance is involved. And talking? If someones conversation is overpowering the dozens of Amps and PAs then theres something wrong there. Though, I can see a group of people infront of you taking pictures and shit getting pretty annoying. The point is, everyone that is spending 45$ + (which is a lot of money to me as a broke college kid) wants to enjoy the show, and they should have the right to get as drunk as they want (if they aren't driving, that is). It really is a shame that anyones Jacket experience is ruined, but the scene at a huge show with a band that performs like MMJ does should be pretty expected. I know there are a few cases of kids (like you said) that are there just to say they are there, and that is the worst, but that is also expected and shouldn't ruin your show! Just my ramblings on the subject....

QuoteI was at said Nashville show. I didnt read any of this thread except the first and last page, but I feel like going to a show with thousands of people, most of which are probably in their 20's, at a venue that sells alcohol you should expect people to be "drunk and stupid." I mean, it IS a rock concert. Sorry if I sound rude, but complaining about other people having fun that you don't agree with personally is a little bit ridiculous in my opinion.

We all get that part -- yes.

We were bummed by people violating the TN smoking law, which NO ONE does at the Ryman, NO MATTER who is playing.

We did have a problem with the groping-elbowing-pushing-physicality of the space up-front where the party was more important than the show.

Of course, I "got over it" & have only deepened in my YimYames Jacket fandom since starting this thread, which I am still amazed by, since seeing the Yim perform on the Appalachian Voices tour.

Alcoholism is not something I "don't agree with personally" -- it's a freaking disease that owns your ass until you either die, go to jail, or get better.

But as a person who has been worse than what I saw, of course, I wan t to be tolerant. But it was my girlfriend's first Jacket show, she's not hardcore like I am, & the folks at Nashville kind of wrecked her night. She didn't feel the love that others feel, and for that, I was sad.