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Do we have a doctorinthehouse?
Son-of-a-gun...actually, we do.
OK, I'll bite. I belive that all that universe is out there for a reason and I belive that we are not alone. But I have a hard time accepting that beings with the ability to travel can't care for themselves or be prepared for our atmosphere. Checking for hemorrhaging with a flashlight? Foaming from the mouth? Sounds a touch too human to me.
Hmmm...Some good points...
But you just never know...There is an explanation for everything sometimes.
Tony it's too fabricated. All of the proof that they have is nothing conclusive. It's nothing that someone with a good background in CGI or even mask-making couldn't pull off, and it looks too fake to be real. I like how their "burned in" time stamp is part of their evidence, when that could easily be added on a computer. Though there is an infinitesmall chance of something being out there, I'm sure if our planet stumbled across it, or if they stumbled across our planet, we'd hear about it.
Local news somewhere would be interviewing concerned people who saw a landing or something.
Trust me, if we knew about life on other planets, we wouldnt be hiding it.
I agree with Eisey, it would be relatively easy to fake that piece. Also, it seems to me that, with all the diversity of life we have here on Earth, it's strange that the aliens portrayed in such things look so human. That's one of the main things that make me feel these are human fabrications.
If you're looking for something to believe in, Tony, you could try believing in yourself - you're worth it :D
Oh man i see what your saying guys...but man oh man...You don't know about half the shit that is hidden from us...we probably made contact 50 years ago...but who knows...
I see nothing wrong with the et's being human like...hell I think et's starting us seem more bevliable than a god and relgion thing...but still...
i wonder about it all...i think it's foolish to think we are alone...think of all the different deminsions and planets and our universe may be only one trillions! It boggles my mind...I WANNA KNOW THE ANSWERS TO EVERYTHING!!!!
WHY THE FUCK ARE WE HERE!!!!!!WHY WOULD A GOD EVEN CREATE US!!!!!WHY?!!?!?!?!?IT DOESNT MATTER IN THE END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tony, perhaps a "god" didn't create us. We might just be a little deviation in the evolutionary chain.
If that's the case, then yeah, a lot of questions can't be answered. If you're the kind of person who needs an answer, that might be a hard thing.
It all depends on where you're at. If you believe in a God, then, I guess somebody talked about your answers a long time ago and you can read it in a book or two.
If you don't, but you still need some kind of meaning, then you have to find it yourself. You have to figure out what you find important and what makes sense for you and what you think is a good way to live your life.
That's how I feel.
I believe in God, not just because it makes everything make more sense, but because, in my mind, it all leads back to a creator. This planet, in its perfect location (think about it, our sun is just right, our planet is just the right distance from it so that all of the life on this planet can exist somewhere without bitter struggle for life) the sheer diversity of all creation (which I don't believe could eb achieved through evolution alone) and the fact that we are the ONLY living beings, out of the billions on this planet that can think and discern and communicate as intelligently as we can. I don't think that our mind's intricacy, especially the ability to sit and ponder and form abstract thought, is something that can be evolved into. There's something much more to human thought than merely synapses. Someone working on merely synapses sits in a hospital bed waiting to be fed.
The fact that we have the ability to be creative at all is proof enough to me that God exists and loves us all dearly. Tony, I have no idea whether or not aliens exist, but I am more than certain that there is a God and that he loves you.
This is going to cause all hell to break loose again, so I'm sorry if I said anything presumptuous that's offended anyone, but this is all what I believe to be true about the universe.
Or then there's Eisey's way of thinking.
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Which a lot of people think.
Well if there is a fucking "god"...until "it" gets me a record deal or some shit..."it" canf uck off...
Look, I have researched over, and over, and OVER again, and thought about this entire thing...I am currently looking into near death experiances, people who say they have seen hell...etc...
I have thought about it all...there may be a creator...but why create us? There is just so much to get into...ill talk later...maybe....
I def have thought things out though...im a thinker...too deep sometimes...the things that come across my mind will scare the fuck out of most people.
Tony, are you forgetting the other side of near death experiences, though? The people who have seen visions of angels and Heaven. The people who say they've been travelling down a tunnel to see a light? I'm not a big believer in the full validity of all this, because when your brain is running low on oxygen and your brain and body are trying to jumpstart itself it is in an altered state, which can produce chemicals that can make you have hallucinogenic visions.
I'm not trying to come accross as being jeering here, but I am honestly interested in what your beliefs are about our purpose, if you have come to any conclusions. I know how hard it is when it seems like absolutely nothing is here for a purpose outside of eventual non-existence and a small piece of influence on some other peoples lives. I know it's tough man, and I hope so much that you can find what it is you're looking for.
That aint gonna happen, but thanks...
I just fucking hate it all...the whole be positive god bullshit or born agains or anything...ANYTHING!
I dont wanna talk anymore...
Too much to say...
Why are we here?
We are here to party with cute redheads with curly hair.
To pitch a tent and make a friend.
To smile when we see JCon's baby.
To be moderated by a baxter named cc.
...and to oogle guitars...
wow, this got deep quick.
and then,
QuotePosted by: jonjon Posted on: Today at 4:19am
Why are we here?
We are here to party with cute redheads with curly hair.
To pitch a tent and make a friend.
To smile when we see JCon's baby.
To be moderated by a baxter named cc.
...and to oogle guitars...
which made me smile. :)
groove on, my brothers and sisters. this debate is interesting.
Tony, brother, I feel for ya. What you are going through is known as an existential crisis, you're trying to find meaning in the world. As one who has been through this already, let me tell you that any meaning that you find in the world is going to be a projection. (Ever notice how god also takes on human features, i.e. love, justice, beauty). The deal is that you are here for whatever reason you want, if you want to make music or have babies it's up to you. If you want to be believe that you are a part of a higher order (aliens, god or what) it's your trip. And on this trip you can either have fun or be miserable, that's your choice, too. Good luck on your inward journey!
Hey thanks a lot man! I don't know what I am going through...but it isn't just a crisis...I can never not think these things...It will always be with me...I just know I am REALLY unhappy...all the time...save for a few moments...
I defenitly don't think I am part of some higher order of e.t.'s...hahaha...
But, I defintly don't think we have the whole picture of life, and our time presented to us yet...Partly, I think were being lied to and partly, we just dont know and can't understand it all...
What im saying is...it goes much deeper than just: god, devil, jesus came here to save us, etc...whatever...
Think about this: If you were raised not knowing god or chirstianty or any relgion---then some of this might not even bother you, it wouldn't cross your mind, cause you wouldn't know, (this should be tested somewhere), so then what about tribes in the jungle that have their own beliefs, are they wrong? People have been brainwashed into this bible is right thing, go to chruch on sunday, never question a thing,--bullshit! Open your minds and humans fear the unknown--that's why we HAVE to beleive in a god and that it loves us...
But christiantys hold on western culture is so firm, this will seem like blasphmey to some...Free your minds and your ass will follow!
I think they're lost periods of time we dont know....I dont think life started on this planet...I dont think that god just zapped us all here one day and boom there is the universe or whatever...
Think of how there are different deminsions and shit, like history and the future just keeps playing out over, and over, and over again in some other fabric of time and space...
Maybe when our fabrics get crossed that's when some people tap into dreams of the future or past lives...or even ghosts sightings can me our "wires" just getting mixed...but then ghost hauntings seem to be like the entities know what they're doing, so i gotta work on that part of the theroy...
SO MUCH TO SAY...I feel like I HAVE to question the very basis of our fucking exsistence...how can you not?!!?
I know what you mean, man. That's why I majored in philosophy as an undergrad. These urges to tackle the most metaphysical of questions will taper off as you wade through these problems a little. You should read Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil" today if you haven't yet. Just remember, there are some things that we can know and some things we can't, the trick is understanding the difference between the two.
BTW, MMJ fucking rocks! ;D
QuoteI feel like I HAVE to question the very basis of our fucking exsistence...how can you not?!!?
Agreed.
Sometimes you have to leave it alone, though... Or maybe just accept that we maybe won't be able to know, and it doesn't really matter anyhow. Know what I mean? :)
I do know what ya mean...but I cant leave it alone....mysetery or something....I have to find it, discover it...or at least get a peice of it....
I am not here to be in a cubical or soomething I wanna truley know....if any human can take it on, its me!
I also suggest reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, a fine book and good read that makes philosophical points without being preachy. It will also convince you not to look too deeply into these issues...go rent Pi if you really want to get freaked.
mwahahahaa
QuoteI also suggest reading Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, a fine book and good read that makes philosophical points without being preachy. It will also convince you not to look too deeply into these issues...go rent Pi if you really want to get freaked.
mwahahahaa
That is really really weird that you just said that, John.
And funny that it's in this thread. Coincidences, serendipity, all that jazz is so high these days. For me. :)
I hear you Tony. I remember one night not being able to sleep because I was forcing myself to be able to deal with the concept of infinity. And the concept of time not existing, that things neither started nor will end.
Onward with your questing and questioning, then. :)
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That is really really weird that you just said that, John.
And funny that it's in this thread. Coincidences, serendipity, all that jazz is so high these days. For me. :)
I hear you Tony. I remember one night not being able to sleep because I was forcing myself to be able to deal with the concept of infinity. And the concept of time not existing, that things neither started nor will end.
Onward with your questing and questioning, then. :)
aha,
Zen deals with the author's struggle with the meaning of the word
quality. Groove on that for awhile...what DOES the word quality mean?
Yeah.
Man, the quality section just got my brain going for weeks. Has anybody read his other book, I think it's called Lily?
I just rented Pi and Waking Life....Just watched Pi, and that was one of the coolest flicks EVER....
Putting on Waking Life now...
QuoteI just rented Pi and Waking Life....Just watched Pi, and that was one of the coolest flicks EVER....
Putting on Waking Life now...
Pi is awesome.
I just know you're gonna love Waking Life too.
good choices.
ps. ever thought of the fact that we might be looking for aliens too far away? what beings are looking the most out of place on this planet? right, human beings. maybe WE are the aliens. i'm feeling philosophical today...
I know...exactly...
But we are aliens to what we call aliens.
QuoteBut we are aliens to what we call aliens.
this is awesome. yes, aren't we aliens to everything? if you dig deep enough (and have a big enough ego), isn't EVERYTHING alien to YOU? we can't know what it's like to BE someone else, so all we know is what we know...how does the song go-"all you touch and all you see, is all your life will ever be?"
i'd sure love to be someone else (for a little while) just to see what they see, feel what they feel. true empathy really doesn't exist.
Interesting, interesting.
Quotei'd sure love to be someone else (for a little while) just to see what they see, feel what they feel. true empathy really doesn't exist.
Perhaps pure empathy doesn't exist, but I think that empathy in the sense of how we mean it does.
Warning: what some people refer to as "flakiness" will ensue:
I've had relationships with people where it's pretty freaky. Like, in the middle of the day, for no reason, (ie everything's totally fine), I'll get a horrible feeling of sadness or something, and later on speak to the person, and someone really bad happened to them around the same time. And it makes sense to me (in my head) that if you're really close with someone, and spending a lot of time with them, that you're bound to have a connection that is outside the regular realm of those kinds of things.
There's a weird thing that happens with girls, for example (quit reading now if things of the female nature freak you out), where if you're living with another female, your cycles will eventually work themselves out to be the same. What the hell is that? It happens ALL the time, too. Do guys know about that? I mean, actually, it's fairly convenient aside from the insane dual bitchiness that happens for a few days. ;)
But that's not really what you're talking about, John. heh.
Have you seeing Being John Malkovich?
oh yeah, saw that many times. :)
i guess it begs the question: do we have empathy for others to benefit ourselves, or is there truly "a selfless act"? not sure anymore.
and as for the cycling: I've worked in offices with 15 women and 2 men. I know all too well about the cycling together, and I don't mean wearing peddle pushers and ringing any bells! That's a pheromone thing, I think.
Quotei guess it begs the question: do we have empathy for others to benefit ourselves, or is there truly "a selfless act"? not sure anymore.
Well, I think it all works together... in the end, it's kind of like, everybody wins, right? I don't have a problem with empathetic, or kind, or whatever, acts benefitting the person who is the helper. I'm not a big fan of martyrs, though. And a selfless act in a way, I think, can't exist. But maybe that's okay... It's much better if all parties involved benefit from the action.
QuoteThat's a pheromone thing, I think.
Really?! Woah. See, that's really interesting. Everybody walking around, mixing it up, getting all of our chemicals and biomatter and chemical reactions into each other via noses and the like, sharing energy fields... Rather mind-fucking.
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Well, I think it all works together. So in the end, it's kind of like, everybody wins, right? I don't have a problem with empathetic, or kind, or whatever, acts benefitting the person who is the helper. I'm not a big fan of martyrs, though. And a selfless act in a way, I think, can't exist. But maybe that's okay... If I'm not being clear enough, I can explain what I mean further.
Really?! Woah. See, that's really interesting. Everybody walking around, mixing it up, getting all of our chemicals and biomatter and chemical reactions into each other via noses and the like, sharing energy fields... Rather mind-fucking.
yes, yes it is! rather amazing to think chemicals we can't see or smell are influencing others around us...makes ya think, eh?
heh, you quoted before I modified. :)
See I've been really interested in the whole idea of attraction being somewhat chemical. Chemical, emotional, all kinds of things. We all know what it's like when you meet somebody and you click right away, right? (Not just in the romantic world, but also just in the friendship world.) There are people who you instantly like, but can't necessarily figure out why.
And then there are people you meet who you should totally be into (this is, more specifically, in the romantic world), but you're not. They're attractive, you jive on similar things, etc. but it's just not working for you.
I find it all very interesting.
But I try to stop myself thinking about it all too much, because I don't find that it actually helps, and in some ways, it completely ignores the magical element of all of this, which you can't really explain anyhow.
Quoteheh, you quoted before I modified. :)
See I've been really interested in the whole idea of attraction being somewhat chemical. Chemical, emotional, all kinds of things. We all know what it's like when you meet somebody and you click right away, right? (Not just in the romantic world, but also just in the friendship world.) There are people who you instantly like, but can't necessarily figure out why.
And then there are people you meet who you should totally be into (this is, more specifically, in the romantic world), but you're not. They're attractive, you jive on similar things, etc. but it's just not working for you.
I find it all very interesting.
But I try to stop myself thinking about it all too much, because I don't find that it actually helps, and in some ways, it completely ignores the magical element of all of this, which you can't really explain anyhow.
;D
all righty then!
Hehe, leave for a couple days and look what happens. I'm not gonna get in any arguments with this one, but I have to say somehting about the "magic" Meg referred to. I think a lot of what our lives are missing today is the "mystery" of it all. We teach kids about sex in kindergarten so that they don't have to face it "unprepared" like a kindergartner would be thinking about it if they weren't. Most kids that age are still under the Cootie Law. I think it's our cultural mystery killing that is sucking a lot of the life out our country's minds these days. By trying to concieve an answer for everything, i think it takes a bit of the fun of all the mystery away. I mean, wouldn't "War of the Worlds" kick so much more ass if we had absolutely no idea what was on Mars?
Eisey, are you saying that the unknown is better than the known?
QuoteWe teach kids about sex in kindergarten so that they don't have to face it "unprepared"
I learned about sex in kindgergarten, and I don't think that it's ever destroyed any kind of magic about it.
I mean, of COURSE, mystery is fun, but I think things can be magical even in the realm of knowledge. Maybe even moreso, because the magical things, the weird things, seem that much more wicked... As opposed to all of us walking around going "Why am I not flying into the sky? It must be magic."
And, woah I know where this is going, but isn't God kind of an "answer" to the really big mystery?
Really, really, really not trying to be offensive. I know your status on this subject, and I think you know mine. It just seems like an easy way out to address all of the mysteries of the world with a great big mystery (ie God).
Again, you know I really like you, and I think you're awesome, so I'm not trying to offend your belief system.
Well, I'm not arguing for ignorance, but I think there is a subtle goodness in not knowing too much. Like, when there's still things that make you blush. I guess I'm taking more just against sex ed right here, and not so much other stuff, but I think some of the greatest fiction came more out of wonder than knowledge. Like Ray Bradbury's "Martian Chronicles", where the author is living in a world in which we haven't even put a man in space and he's dreamed up a way, not only to get to Mars, but how to live there, and what kind of beings would reside ont he planet. Not to say that actually putting a man on Mars would be bad, scientifically, but I think it's very cool how there's things we don't, and can't know. I think there's a lot of beauty in mystery.
And Meg, is the "really big mystery" you're talking about the "why are we here?" question? Because then, yes, God is the answer to it. I believe He put each and every one of us here for a reason, and that there is nothing that happens without reason.
My friends and I were talking about aliens on our camping trip this weekend and someone suggested this (keep in mind that we are all Christian, so I'm not typing this as an "I'm right, your wrong" deal, but merely as speculation, because I dont think any of us know for real about extra-terrestrials):
maybe we are truly the only planet that has life on it, because surely God would have revealed it to us by now if we weren't through actual feasible contact and interaction with another planet. But what if there were "aliens" but what people thoght were aliens were really just demons and spirits trying to cause doubt and disbelief in God. BEcause if that's what they were, then they'd be doing a pretty darn good job. Because all of the speculation about life out there somewhere can really draw you out of your shell and put you in a position where you don't have either evidence or a solid opinion and can really cause doubt.
One way to look at it, i suppose. Not sayign that that isn't a bit supernatural in itself, but it gives a very good logic on the nature and purpose of e.t.'s if you believe in Christianity. Not saying i would quit believing if earth was attacked, but probably doubt very seriously if i were abducted or whatever.
Thanks, Megan, for respecting my beliefs and whatnot. Sorry for the long paragraphs. What's your stance on all of this?
QuoteAnd Meg, is the "really big mystery" you're talking about the "why are we here?" question? Because then, yes, God is the answer to it. I believe He put each and every one of us here for a reason, and that there is nothing that happens without reason.
That was kind of what I meant, but more of the "where did we come from", becuase I don't know if I actually believe there's a reason per se as to why we're here... I do believe in serendipity and synchronicity, though. And I'm feeling a little more committed to that these days (ie I'll say I actually believe that, as opposed to hinting at the maybe of it and just sitting on the fence, which I can tend to do.)
QuoteBecause all of the speculation about life out there somewhere can really draw you out of your shell and put you in a position where you don't have either evidence or a solid opinion and can really cause doubt.
But aren't there a lot of things in this world - things that we can actually see and feel - cause for questioning of your belief system? I have a really good friend who is a solid Catholic. She is very passionate about her religion, but she also questions everything about it. Constantly. And when she has really hard questions, she goes to people to ask them about it. And they talk, and what it does, she says for her, is solidify her faith even further. One of the deals about religion (or specifically Christianity in all of its forms) that really upsets me is that you're not supposed to question things, you're supposed to take things at face value, from a book that you've read, or from a man who tells you certain things on a Sunday morning. I understand that it's been set up to work that way, but I know for me, the only way I ever get feeling okay with something is if I question it, and really try to understand how I feel about it.
QuoteWhat's your stance on all of this?
I don't know. I think it's pretty weird that there have been so many conspiracy theories, and so many "sightings", and knowing how the world/government works, it wouldn't surprise me that they're covering up a hell of a lot. I don't believe I've ever seen a UFO, or encountered an alien, or been a receptor to some other planet's messages. I think there's a possibility for it, if it happened here, it's probably happened elsewhere (life, I mean). But I don't think about it too much, I don't think... It doesn't really concern me one way or the other.
However, after having watched 2001:A Space Odyssey for the first time yesterday (I know, I know, it was a long time coming), I'm kind of re-interested in space travel. I used to have dreams all the time where I travelled to the moon or other planets and checked them out.
Here's what I'm ripping out in my head right now: Is existence life? What is life and what is existence. I mean, I kind of know, but for humans, life is existence. For a rock, we assume, existence is not life (it's not living).
...or is it? ;)
QuoteThanks, Megan, for respecting my beliefs and whatnot.
And thank you, Tom, for respecting mine, and for taking my word for it that I wasn't trying to offend you. :)
One thing I'd like to say about the questioning business. It's not forbidden. Maybe in some more uptight circles, it is. But probably the biggest thing thats helped me grow in faith were questions. Stuff that didn't make sense and being able to talk to my stepdad and start seeing answers to these questions revealed. I'm a huge believer in the fact that there's an answer for just about everything in religion waiting for you if you take the time and effort to listen for it.
Well I certainly agree with you that we get answers by taking time and listening for them. :)
I hate my gov't...that is all
QuoteWhy are we here?
We are here to party with cute redheads with curly hair.
To pitch a tent and make a friend.
To smile when we see JCon's baby.
To be moderated by a baxter named cc.
...and to oogle guitars...
That is so true. I don't believe a single second of this video is true, and I don't believe in God either. But then again, I know it's impossible to know if I'm right or not. Nobody knows. And therefor I have always thought it's useless to spend too much time on it. Don't think I don't respect people who believe, but personally, I devote my time to the things Jonjon mentioned there. My girlfriend is a cute redhead with curly hair, by the way, and whenever I'm with her and/or listening to music or playing music myself, I just couldn't give a damn about anything beyond here and now. Frankly.
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Quote :)
See I've been really interested in the whole idea of attraction being somewhat chemical. Chemical, emotional, all kinds of things. We all know what it's like when you meet somebody and you click right away, right? (Not just in the romantic world, but also just in the friendship world.) There are people who you instantly like, but can't necessarily figure out why.
I find it all very interesting.
Chemical and emotional connections trigger me. Touch and smells are the biggest physical senses. Emotional is the strongest of all. People with bad vibes create a sickness in the pit of my stomach. I don't have to speak to them, just close enough to feel them. But for my feeble mind, it's too much trouble to figure out why. If you know how magic tricks are done, they lose their cool appeal. Magic is magic because it is mystical for many of us.