all funny business aside. this is serious shit.
We've talked about good vibes and doing the right thing and all, but now is the time for action. I am appealling to everyone who reads this to support the Red Cross in some small way, either through a monetary donation or a blood donation. People are dying by the minute because there's somehow, in the richest nation on the planet, not enough resources to save lives NOW. I am personally donating money and blood to the Red Cross to aid in helping my fellow human being.
All I can do is cry tears of saddness at the pure human tragedy happening right now while I live in relative safety and comfort, and my baby rests at home with food and water and clean diapers. I am outraged that we can't do better. I am saddened that people are standing around yapping about this (myself included) but not actually doing enough to save lives. So I'm putting my money where my mouth is.
Please help, if you can in any small way. This is just the beginning of a nightmare we must endure for years to come.
Thank you.
John Conaway
my band will be playing a benefit next weekend, the cover charge will be a donation to the red cross.
i will personally make a donation as well.
I know this is "yada, yada, heard it before" but I have some family down in the Lousiana and Mississippi area, and things are so terribly bad. They are okay and relatively lucky in terms of damage to their possessions, but they have been relaying the news and things are just terrible. Riots and looting are starting to break out in places like Baton Rouge and Jackson (areas outside of the disaster zone), and I've heard reports of armed roaming gangs. The reports out of New Orleans are just too hard to hear -- it's like the apocalypse, seriously.
If anyone even has an inkling of contributing, PLEASE to do so, because God knows they need it.
http://kiro.liquidviewer.net/kiro-od/mayornagin.asf
Yeah, found this read (unbelievable), thoughts and prayers are down there. Love that town of Nawlins:
New Orleans Quotes: "I'm satisfied with the response." --George W. Bush at NO Airport..."The results are not acceptable." --G.W. Bush earlier at White House... "We're going to help these communities rebuild....Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter.) --Bush During Disaster Tour...{"...................................."} --Dick Cheney..."No one has thought enough of us to even bring us a cup of water....Several bodies lie scattered around. Edwards pointed to an elderly lady dead in a wheelchair and said, "I don't treat my dog like that." He says he buried his dog." --Man Outside NO Convention Center..."They don't have a clue what's going on down here....They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn - excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed," New Orleans Mayor Nagin...Instead of helping people left desperate in the wake of Katrina's wrath, [the inactive U.S. Custom's three] Blackhawks actually were slated to transport a CNN news crew to take video shots of those people." --a former regional Internal Affairs supervisor for U.S. Customs...."I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." --George W. Bush 9/1/05..."The storm surge most likely will topple our levee system" New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin 8/28/05..."No one can say they didn't see it [the breach of the levees] coming." --Newhouse New Service..."Bush slashed levee reinforcement funding "down to a trickle," and New Oreans is in a Democratic Party state." --Jerry Politex..."A better leader would have flown straight to the disaster zone and announced the immediate mobilization of every available resource." --Conservative NH Union Leader..."It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed." --GOP House Speaker Dennis Hastert..."An Act of God destroyed a wicked city." --Christianist Repent America director Michael Marcavage..."Take a close look at the people you see wandering, devastated, around New Orleans: they are predominantly black and poor." --NYT Columnist David Brooks...The people remaining in New Orleans "who chose not to evacuate, who chose not to leave the city....the federal government did not even know about the Convention Center people until today." --Bush FEMA director Michael Brown...To help in rescue efforts, "donate cash [to Pat Robertson's] Operation Blessing." --FEMA website..."Since this administration won't acknowledge that global warming exists, the chances of leadership seem minimal." --NYT
WTF! The evacuation of the poor should of been handled a lot better. Buses the day before organized perhaps since they knew they were fucked to begin with a good day and a half before.
http://www.redcross.org/
Yeah, gonna send a few bucks. Hope everyone here hasn't been affected by all this, I mean friends and family in the Gulf.
im not in any shape to contribute, monetarily. im rounding up all the old baby clothes that dont fit my daughter any more and clearing out the kitchen of some extra food, too. my brother-in-law is a firefighter, and hes planning to go down for 30 days if he can find someone to join him, but theyre mainly only looking for emt's now. i think hospitals are taking offers for regular ol' people to go down for 2 weeks. id go if i could, really. lets keep the rescue workers and volunteers in our thoughts too. :)
I'm going to send what I can, too. My mom left to volunteer down there two days ago but there's no telling where she is or if she's okay. I think they are turning most people away because all these volunteers are draining resources in the area. I hear that the gangs are still running the show down there. What a nightmare!
I hope your Mom's all right, aMD. I hope she gets in touch soon.
Man, I think I put a link up of an interview the CBC did with the mayor, and we listened to it in the office yesterday, and it felt like it did when we were listening to the 9/11 attacks on the radio. Just this odd sense of "What are you waiting for?" directed, mainly, at Bush.
Interesting insights, too, about how New Orleans has always been such a big port, and therefore a fair amount of drugs would pass through it. People had pretty good warning that this was coming, so they got themselves out of town, and the people who remain would be people who wouldn't have access to cars, so probably the very poor or the drug addicts, or whatever. And something about N.O. having one of the biggest populations of people with guns. But if you've got a lot of addicts who are jonesin' for fixes combined with guns... yeah. Bad news.
Anybody know how much longer it's all expected to last? Is there an estimation for when all the people will be evacuated?
Yeah there was a lot of poverty in New Orleans and at least in this country, where there's poveerty, there are drugs, guns, and gangs. Apparently the local goverment has also been notoriously corrupt for years which contributed to the state of the levee during the time of the storm. And most people who didn't evacuate were those who couldn't afford it. I had never heard about the drug trade theory but that would make sense. I heard the mayor's desperat SOS message and it sounded really desperate, he was fed up with the feds. I know this was a "natural" disaster but there were some things that happened after the fact that we/they could of changed for the better.
I don't know when they are going to get those people out of there but I heard that it may take two months to turn the power back on in the city, if that's any indication. Bush Bush said in his speech last night that the convention ccenter was "secured" but he didn't mention the Superdome which was housing 30,000 refugees. And remember this city sits 12 feet below city level, so the water has no where to go, it's just sitting there getting more and more contaminated and once it does foes away, that's when the disease will really start to set in. I've been following this thing too closely since my mom told me she was headed that way and I'm beginning to be in the camp of people who are saying that we should NOT rebuild New Orleans. Sorry for the long post, but I've been thinking about this shit constantly lately!
Well, it's also going to pollute the hell out of the ocean when it finally does start to drain down a bit. That's gonna cause all sorts of problems right there.
I heard that the local Wal-Marts were looted and that the entire ammunition departments had been wiped out, so people have even more ammo than they started with.
I really don't understand why the people don't just try sticking together at a time like this instead of shooting each other. It doesn't make much sense.
One thing that makes me feel really creeped out is calling your own people "refugees". That's been all over the media, and it's the phrase for me that sums up this tragedy. (For 9/11, it was Bush saying "We will hunt them down and kill them." That phrase sticks in my head.)
Fuck, I didn't even think about the water issues. Holy shit.
The thing I keep thinking, is where are they gonna put 30, 000 people? I mean they have to do something, but are people opening up their homes, or is there another dome somewhere? Because our goddamn Skydome over here is pretty useless, and could certainly provide temporary shelter. Maybe we should pipe up.
QuoteI really don't understand why the people don't just try sticking together at a time like this instead of shooting each other. It doesn't make much sense.
That may be the saddest bit. Although, quite frankly, there's so much fear in the US already, add to that a high gun population, panic, withdrawal, sadness... And a sense of being left behind by your own government. It might make sense that people feel they need to be vigilantes and take the law into their own hands. Cuz your fucking president isn't.
I just really hope the whole world learns from this once all the people are safe. I really really really hope it does.
QuoteAlthough, quite frankly, there's so much fear in the US already, add to that a high gun population, panic, withdrawal, sadness... And a sense of being left behind by your own government. It might make sense that people feel they need to be vigilantes and take the law into their own hands.
I agree, but man, they were shooting at the rescuers! That's f'ed up, no matter how you look at it.
Thankfully, today, things seem to be looking up. The people are relocating to the surrounding states, and the government has chartered 3 Carnival cruise ships for 6 months to hold about 8,000 people. Refugees are being housed at a ginormous church across from my neighborhood, so it's good to know everybody's trying to do their part.
This response has been thoroughly unacceptable, at all levels, and I hope that when everyone is safe and all the dead have been laid to rest, that there can be a calm and collected yet ruthless analysis of what went wrong. Kinda like 9/11. In my opinion, witch hunts aren't the best response to this kind of tragedy, and I hope we learn from it, as Meg said, instead of just pointing fingers.
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This response has been thoroughly unacceptable, at all levels, and I hope that when everyone is safe and all the dead have been laid to rest, that there can be a calm and collected yet ruthless analysis of what went wrong.
Agreed.
I wait to see the President bullshit his way out of this one.
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Agreed.
I wait to see the President bullshit his way out of this one.
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this 'regime' has a funny way of making themselves look better in dire times. i expect something big to happen very soon to bring bush out of the gutter. all the warning signs are there. maybe well catch saddam, wait oh we already did that? bin laden? hes dead already? well shit.....
QuoteSorry for the long post, but I've been thinking about this shit constantly lately!
No need to apologise man. I'm not surprised you're thinking and talking about it a lot. There's a lot to say about it. And some uncomfortable questions, like 'How different would the response have been in a richer area?'
And I agree with Megan that it seems strange to hear people called refugees in their own country - but maybe that's just a diffent use of language thing.
ive been reading non stop about all this, as im sure a lot of people have. remember within 24 hours of the tsunami how many photos and satellite images there were? notice the lack thereof from new orleans. shit is going on there that we dont know about, and theres obviously a reason were not supposed to know. the looting vs. finding thing has already proven this is all about race. the government is saying and doing fuck all because the majority of people down there are impoverished minorities. ive read about national guardsmen confiscating cameras, and you see like i said before, the lack of photos except from the controlled media. i personally think the deathtoll will be at least 10 times wot they say, and dont they want getting out with people taking pics. read blogs from people who actually live there. the national guard has the city surrounded, and they wont let anyone in. its not because of the looting and shootings, like were made to think. sorry for the rant again, i just feel this is our government at an all time new low, and thats saying a lot.
after saying all that, the truth will bring down the liars, and the positive vibes will win out. this is opening the eyes of a lot of people to the atrocities of bush et al. just as much bad as they offer, look at the outpouring to help from every aspect, ive seen it all over. :)
I have also wondered about the lack of video and photography coming out to the media, too. I know that there is no lack of cameras in the superdome or in downtown New Orleans, but in this day and age with technology the way it is we will hear the real story one day. The only footage I saw recently was of the National Guard being air dropped onto the convention center with guns in hand and it scared the shit out of me. Any time the president has to call up the national guard something has gone terribly wrong and the only acceptable alternative is to start killing American citizens in order to restore order.
I think that this is a terrible, unfortunate event but I don't feel that pointing fingers is the way to deal with it either. Just as these citizens turned refugees are not responsible for being herded together and left for dead, so to is Bush not responsible for one of the worst natural disasters in american history. It would be difficult to argue why the mayor is not responsible for the levee, but it's hard to point fingers at him the way that he has handled this god awful situation in the past days. I think there were a lot of mistakes made on every level but when it comes down to it, we need to learn from this event and move on.
By the way, I heard from my mom, she's safe, somewhere in Mississippi and she is working on rescue missions and delivering gasoline. I'm still worried about her, but she was okay as of 2:00 yesterday afternoon.
So glad to hear that your Mom's okay. Clearly a good human being. :)
QuoteBush not responsible for one of the worst natural disasters in american history
ie he didn't make the storm happen? No.
I mean, well, I don't know. I assume that the US government can't change the weather, but then again, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
I'm trying really hard to see all of the information that's coming out of here as objectively as I can (ie without blaming Bush for everything because it's easy and it makes me feel good to do so). The lack of media images is really, really freaking me out. I cheered for Kanye West, but only because I knew he was saying something he wasn't supposed to, not because I fully support what he said. (ie that George Bush doesn't care about black people. I don't really think Bush cares about anybody who isn't directly involved in the middle east or Texas or oil wars).
I heard there's a little band of Canadians holed up somewhere that have got together to protect themselves.
Oh man. It's such a terrible thing.
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By the way, I heard from my mom, she's safe, somewhere in Mississippi and she is working on rescue missions and delivering gasoline. I'm still worried about her, but she was okay as of 2:00 yesterday afternoon.
So very glad to hear that.
it is true that we cannot stop a "natural disaster", however, we are making them worse with our nonstop burning of fossil fuels thus raising the temp of the waters the hurrcanes go through before smashing these very unprotected coastal communities. Second, I wonder why Harry Connick Jr, and many others were able to get to New Orleans before the National Gaurd. Let's face it, the Republican agenda leaves behind a lot of people that are American and it is pathetic to me and should not be put up with. Also, I was discusted with the way some "Americans" acted and the violence that followed. Maybe we are just another 3rd world country that leaves behind those that don't benefit the governments agenda. Seems a bit obvoius. It was just purely a disgusting display of poor planning and lack or concern for those less foprtunate. Just my opinion, and I am NOT a liberal. This has and will be the worst 8 years the US will have to endure since the Reagan era. Peace.
by the way, FEMA is run by Bush's longtime friend who fixed his little National Gaurd crap last election. He is not qualified and should resign after this mess. I mean, when is enough enough? As far as the local govt. being corrupt, yeah, that is normal. Look at Rhode Island, but, if this had happened there, the cruise ships would have pulled right on in. >:(
Very good points, Link.
Quoteit is true that we cannot stop a "natural disaster", however, we are making them worse with our nonstop burning of fossil fuels thus raising the temp of the waters the hurrcanes go through before smashing these very unprotected coastal communities.
A little off-topic, but typical of the very ridiculous, wasteful ways. There was a big air show here in Toronto over the weekend - like, four days I think. Tonnes of planes flying around in v's and different configurations, ripping through the sky and making it sound like we lived in a war zone.
A good friend of mine is a pilot, and I remember him telling me how wasteful the air industry is - the amount of fuel it takes just to drive the plane from the landing strip to the port is in and of itself high, nevermind the fact that it's unnecessary, as they could use more fuel-efficient tow-trucks to bring them in. Anyhow, if THAT'S a concern, then what the hell are we doing flying around loads and loads of planes
just for the hell of it? It seems to me that once we started to realize how badly we were abusing the fossil fuels, that we should've cut out such ridiculous unnecessary crap like air shows (or even monster truck shows) or anything at all that wastes our world away.
It just made me so fucking mad. PLUS, why can't they fly those fucking planes to New Orleans and do something useful with them?
We're so fucking stupid.
you know, i've been meaning to post in this thread, but it's really hard to find the words.
this is something that will forever change alot of things and i dont think we've even seen the tip of the iceberg as far as that goes.
one person that i'm seeing and hearing and reading about that really touched my heart is a gen. honore who is the commander of all the national guard troops in NOLA. he's the one who mayor nagin referred to as "some john wayne dude who got off the doggone chopper and started cussin' and got stuff done."
we need more people like this in every position of leadership.
i'm sick and tired of all this beurocracy(sp?) bullcrap and i am saddened to think that we finally started to do what we had to do only after a mayor and a radio show host broke down and cried on air, almost as sick it makes me when i hear george bush pausing between every 5 words because i know he is having the sentences read to him through that little speaker in his ear.
it was great and very sad at the same time to see chertoff (homeland security director) and brown (FEMA director) upstaged by a more passionate and qualified 3 star general in a press conference. it shows the true spirit of "MOST" american people and maybe finally we will fix the wrongs that are going on today.
the 1 thing i don't agree with is that race is such a big factor. it is class. poor is poor is America and that just does not ever go well with a Republican agenda. I am really sick of this waste of fuel, money, men, and time with our governemnt that polices the world and can't even get into one of it's own states until 5 days after a hurricane they knew was coming, actually was known as the #2 natural disaster for America on the FEMA list. I just hope they can get those people who can be saved out and bury the others quickly and properly. And Bush is a Jesus freak, well I do not see much Christinaity involved in any of this or many of his decisions. Peace y'all.
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ya gotta admit, it's a bit monochromatic outside the superdome. but is that happenstance, or is it a concerted effort to leave people there to die that are black?
it appears, to me at least, that the government sat on their fat hands for a few days, hoping the worst of it would go away. and it didn't. people died needless deaths because our esteemed leader could not, would not, or did not have the capacity to understand the depth of the problem to act. he was on VACATION, and apparently couldn't be bothered to care about his own citizens who pay his fucking salary. the leader of the country is where the buck stops. apparently, this does not apply to ol W as he's already trying to shift blame to FEMA or anyone but his sorry ass.
i'm sorry, but he knew, and he did not act. therefore, he needs to be impeached (not just for this but for other reasons) for failure to aid his own citizens. we help other countries all day every day, and act quickly when needed. the callous nature of these indecisive morons needs to be addressed while the iron is hot. i don't buy this bullshit of "let's all pull together" and hold hands and pretend nobody fucked up here-plenty of high ranking officials and W fucked up and people died. i can only imagine how fired I would be if infractions like this caused people to die at my work-someone needs to hang.
i totally agree, but just like 911, let's let them get the shit started before we go blaming everyone and impeaching. let them find homes, bury dead, and start to pick up. then, let the wrath of Hell find its way to W and then maybe Jesus can save him again. hey, let's not forget, we elected this idiot, not me, but the majority did. now, everyone is pissed that our Pres is a total ahole and moron. blame yourselves too Red States. Blame people who drive hummers and burn gas like it is never going to run out. Balme all the electricity we use for comfort. These storms will get worse and how many more can the Gulf states take before we just decide to bury em. it is our country, so let's do something about our own ways and change the way govt prioritizes shit. this administration promised to keep us safe from everything, but they killed so many in the past 5 years. it is disgusting.
what, we can't have the discussion while the relief efforts are going on? this president claims he can multitask; obviously, he's busy worrying about the supreme court and whatnot. he's not personally fixing the levee, or draining the water (if only he did do manual labor for a while, that might fix his dumbass) so the criticism is valid and fair.
people DIED because of the slow moving, grunt-like ineptitude of the government. and he needs to have his feet held to the fire for it.
Totally, but I think that what Link means is let's get the people safe instead of corking up the works by talking about stuff we could talk about afterwards. If Bush is impeached before everybody's well and safe, it might slow things down...
And then we'll "hunt him down" and make sure something like this doesn't happen again.
(I say "we", but I guess I have to be a supporting outside in this situation. Sometimes I wish Canadians could vote in US elections.)
I did what I could last Friday and gave money at the Hurricane Relief link on the Red Cross site. Hopefully it helps/gets to someone who needs it.
i like your attitude john, thats about the exact way i feel here. theres all this talk that W would have been blamed no matter what, but bullshit to that. you make an effort, and people will notice. im still fucking gobsmacked at all the different ways im seeing people help. the good ones are shining through, and its about the only comfort im getting from this tragedy. rock on, i think the awesomeness of the people on this board is even more obvious now, even though some of us are pissed the fuck off now. ;D
coolio. let's minimize the photo ops and maximize the healing.
i think it is safe to say the country WAs pissed off even before this. Like EC said, it won't help anything to go headhunting now while they still need much relief. There will be plenty of blame to go around and obvoiusly a lot should be on FEMA and Pres. Bush. the thing that really disturbs me is that thye KNEW how bad it would be and NOBODY, NO, LA, or FEMA had a plan. I just don't think it shopuld be truned into race issue as there are enviornmental, engineering, and many government issues to be addressed after some of the cleaning is done. Peace ya'll. i can't say anymore.
I was afraid that this thread would turn into a collection of pot shots at President Bush, and it has. That's undertandable because at some point he becomes responsible for getting our country through this. Plus, W is a really easy target. However, there are many others to point fingers at in Louisiana and New Orleans. For example, there would have been a lot less death if the levee was repair and that wasn't Bush's fault.
The other point I want to make is that I think it is sad to hear those who obviously have a history of hating W using this tragedy to further their own agendas. W gets ciritcized for having no tact, but I think that these attacks are opportunistic and pathetic. I realize he could have done more, but he could not have prevented all the death and destruction that occured in the South.
And the dumbass argument of, "if it was white people Bush would have done something about it" has got to stop! Do you think that there were no rich white people in New Orleans? There were, but Bush didn't need to save them. They saved themselves, by their own means and unlike the poor people, they didn't need the federal government to hold their hands while they saved themselves! And it has nothing to do with color, as thelink pointed out, the FACT is thst the vast msjority of poor people in this country are black or hispanic. I can understand how some may have a problem with that fact but I don't understand how you can put that on Bush. It's unfair to Bush and it takes attention away from those who really could have changed things down there.
Sorry again for the long post, I was hoping we wouldn't have to go down this road.
you know what aMillionDreams...I hate Bush more than anything else ...but everything you said is exactly right.
QuoteI was afraid that this thread would turn into a collection of pot shots at President Bush, and it has. That's undertandable because at some point he becomes responsible for getting our country through this. Plus, W is a really easy target. However, there are many others to point fingers at in Louisiana and New Orleans. For example, there would have been a lot less death if the levee was repair and that wasn't Bush's fault.
1. It's easy to target Bush because he makes it easy.
2. I might be wrong, but I thought that Bush was the one who vetoed the initial call for action to repair the levee? I thought I read that somewhere.
QuoteThe other point I want to make is that I think it is sad to hear those who obviously have a history of hating W using this tragedy to further their own agendas. W gets ciritcized for having no tact, but I think that these attacks are opportunistic and pathetic. I realize he could have done more, but he could not have prevented all the death and destruction that occured in the South.
And I think it's unfair of you to assume that people are just using this as a platform to show their Bush hate. He could have done more? Hell yeah! He could have done SOMETHING. Waaaaay earlier than he did.
QuoteAnd the dumbass argument of, "if it was white people Bush would have done something about it" has got to stop! Do you think that there were no rich white people in New Orleans? There were, but Bush didn't need to save them. They saved themselves, by their own means and unlike the poor people, they didn't need the federal government to hold their hands while they saved themselves!
Holy. crap. How in the hell were they supposed to SAVE themselves? They have no money, aMillionDreams! They don't have cars, they don't have a means to get out. Holding their hands?!
QuoteAnd it has nothing to do with color, as thelink pointed out, the FACT is thst the vast msjority of poor people in this country are black or hispanic. I can understand how some may have a problem with that fact but I don't understand how you can put that on Bush. It's unfair to Bush and it takes attention away from those who really could have changed things down there.
I'm sorry that you feel as though people are unfair to Bush. Perhaps if the guy had cut his vacation a little short, we wouldn't feel that way. Perhaps if he'd acted sooner and not waited so long, we wouldn't feel that way.
That man is the President of your country. If you don't like the fact that the responsibility of the safety of your people rests in his hands, then that's too bad.
I don't want to start a big fight with you, and I know that we're all entitled to our opinions, and I know I'm maybe getting more personal here than I normally do, but I'm just surprised. Obviously Bush isn't the only person to blame, and obviously a lot of people could and should have done a lot more. But, I mean, ultimately, Bush is in charge, right?
lets agree to disagre, aMillionDreams. afterall, remember were both horrible people who supported the leak of Z and helped each other! ;D
in the same breath, im going to high-five EC! not that its a really celebratory thing, so maybe we get back to the comradery of agreeing this is a tragedy and doing wot we can to help.
we can just agree to disagree on this, the result would be the same. Let me just say that I am not attempting to defend Bush or I would obviously lose the argument. I hate Bush too, I just think it is simple-minded to look at this tragedy and simply say, wow, Bush really fucked up.
I think EC is missing the point of my post so I will simply invite her to read it again, I've already said what I wanted to say.
i was a manager for a hotel, therefore everything fell on me if shit happened. was it all completely my fault? not at all, but thats the logic of chain of command.
you cant argue bush and congress control the budgets and decided to slash funding for flood control. the mayor of new orleans mentioned in early 2004 it would be a problem with a category 4 or 5 storm hitting. there is no difference between democrats and republicans, so its a simple governmental failure. our congress doesnt listen to americans though, but some other country....lets not go there though.
Quotewe can just agree to disagree on this, the result would be the same. Let me just say that I am not attempting to defend Bush or I would obviously lose the argument. I hate Bush too, I just think it is simple-minded to look at this tragedy and simply say, wow, Bush really fucked up.
I think EC is missing the point of my post so I will simply invite her to read it again, I've already said what I wanted to say.
I did read your post again aMD, and it still struck the same chords that it did the first time. However, I do agree that it's stupid to put all of the blame on Bush, of course. And I do agree that, with all things, jumping all over somebody's mistake to further your own agenda,
generally is bad practise.
But I will say that I don't think this is the case, here.
Anyhow, I guess it's really easy for us to sit around at our computers and talk about what a tragedy it is. :-/ What I mean by that is it's easy to discuss something, and waaay more difficult to have been involved in it. I mean, there may be another levee somewhere that needs fixing, but hasn't been fixed, but that will go unnoticed because we don't care about it until it breaks... It's easy to throw around blame, fer sure. But in this case, I have to say...
EC, I agree with you on almost all points. But, please tell me what Canada has done for anyone? ???
No offense, but you guys just sit there. I disagree with our policies, but at least we actually have some, right or wrong. Again, no offense and maybe I am unaware of the Canadian government's involvment in wordly matters. ;)
I sense a "sticky topic" mark coming...
actually, let's just blame Canada for the whole damn thing!
"America, fuck yea!"
I was just playing about those good old Canadians. They are cool wit me yo. Peace out. i am off this thread. ;)
QuoteEC, I agree with you on almost all points. But, please tell me what Canada has done for anyone? ???
No offense, but you guys just sit there. I disagree with our policies, but at least we actually have some, right or wrong. Again, no offense and maybe I am unaware of the Canadian government's involvment in wordly matters. ;)
Hmmm... Well, we went into WWII before you guys did - we made a decision about that. Um, we decided not to go into Iraq... Um, we make really good beer... We helped your slaves escape your country and gave them a safe place... We let in a lot more people from other countries than you do, AND give them free healthcare once they get here... We have some pretty good weed over on the West Coast...
I know what you're saying, though. We can be pretty wishy-washy sometimes. But we do help. But we have to be careful, because our neighbours south of us have all the bombs and jets. ;)
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Hmmm... Well, we went into WWII before you guys did - we made a decision about that. Um, we decided not to go into Iraq... Um, we make really good beer... We helped your slaves escape your country and gave them a safe place... We let in a lot more people from other countries than you do, AND give them free healthcare once they get here... We have some pretty good weed over on the West Coast...
I know what you're saying, though. We can be pretty wishy-washy sometimes. But we do help. But we have to be careful, because our neighbours south of us have all the bombs and jets. ;)
what is Canada supposed to do? I'm confused by the previous statements...
Quotewhat is Canada supposed to do? I'm confused by the previous statements...
Me, too, a little.
Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Rush, Coney Hatch, maple syrup, Lablatt Blue, Canadian bacon, Mike Myers, Meg Hamilton, hockey, Montreal, ice fishing, Vancouver, polar bears, Triumph, Loverboy, St. Lawrence Seaway, my friend Pasquale from Montreal...all of my favorite Canadian things.
QuoteNeil Young, Joni Mitchell, Rush, Coney Hatch, maple syrup, Lablatt Blue, Canadian bacon, Mike Myers, Meg Hamilton, hockey, Montreal, ice fishing, Vancouver, polar bears, Triumph, Loverboy, St. Lawrence Seaway, my friend Pasquale from Montreal...all of my favorite Canadian things.
:)
(You forgot Alannis, though... Remember how many times you put "Ironic" on the jukebox?)
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(You forgot Alannis, though... Remember how many times you put "Ironic" on the jukebox?)
Never. Not once! No love here for Alanis...can't dig it.
you absolutely cannot forget leonard cohen.
why the hell is Canadian bacon just low grade ham?
Quotewhy the hell is Canadian bacon just low grade ham?
no way dude, it's awesome!
ok, me gots a solution. we all seem to think the government dropped the ball somewhere, just a diffence of opinion on where the blame should be focused. lets all agree the government sucks in every way because weed is illegal.
mmmmm....marijuana. smoke up everybody, then we can disagree on munchies. ::)
Canadian Bacon = Best Pizza Topping Ever!!
Quoteok, me gots a solution. we all seem to think the government dropped the ball somewhere, just a diffence of opinion on where the blame should be focused. lets all agree the government sucks in every way because weed is illegal.
mmmmm....marijuana. smoke up everybody, then we can disagree on munchies. ::)
okay, that's a picture... :)
Quoteok, me gots a solution. we all seem to think the government dropped the ball somewhere, just a diffence of opinion on where the blame should be focused. lets all agree the government sucks in every way because weed is illegal.
Agreeeeeeeeeeed. :)
So, it's really funny that you guys call "back bacon" "Canadian Bacon". It's like how we call cheese "cheese" and you guys call the fake stuff "American Cheese" and we call it "fake cheese" or "that stuff that's the colour of my kitchen".;)
Taking shots at Canada is about as easy as taking shots at Bush.
And I agree with Ratsprayer, "Government sucks and weed rules" now THAT'S an ethos I can sink my teeth into. :)
nice #420 post, aMD. it couldnt be more appropriate. ;D
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no way dude, it's awesome!
absolument! JC you left Saga off your list!