My Morning Jacket

My Morning Jacket => The Music => Topic started by: tomEisenbraun on Nov 16, 2006, 03:21 AM

Title: If It Smashes Down
Post by: tomEisenbraun on Nov 16, 2006, 03:21 AM
Can I just draw some attention to how beautiful this song is?

Everynow and then I'll put on At Dawn and not be able to figure out why (though I do love the 1-2-3 punch of the first the three songs with every musical in me) and then I'll remember this song and just smile. I used to think it was horribly depressing, and then just sat and listened last week and realized how absolutely beautiful it really is. There's something so beautiful in that bare-bones banjo and shoe on the floor approach to it that makes it just perfect. It captures a time and a place that I'm discovering is not so much a lonely one for me, but a strangely joyous and beautiful place. A faintly glimmering carousel and a humid night right on the edge of fall's first frost.

Either that or snow. Everywhere. Good lord, this album reminds me of snow. And this song of everything covered in it at 1 in the morning down the back roads of my overgrown chicago suburbs. Complete solitude in the middle of one of the craziest worlds I've ever lived in.

I don't know. I ramble. Just give 'er a listen, will ya?
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: Kory on Nov 16, 2006, 11:20 AM
I completely agree, I just listened to the song 3 times in a row...
beautiful!
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: primushead on Nov 16, 2006, 11:47 AM
Yeah, I'll usually use this song as a lullaby.  And, yeah, it (along with Kid A) reminds me of snow too.  I don't think this song would've worked with anything else besides a banjo.
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: sweatboard on Nov 16, 2006, 12:29 PM
This songs a good example of how the production on this record is just as much a part of the songs as the instruments and the song structures, lyrics etc. etc.  When Jim repeats "In The Air" over and over again at the end the way it's recorded takes that line and makes it even more powerful.  I just absolutely love the lyrics on this one, the words are simple enough but what they convey is so emotional and powerful.  Jim's so underrated as a lyric/poetry writer.  The juxtaposition of the slowness of the tempo and the rocking chair and a ride at a fair is brilliant.  "On these lovely trips, the conductor likes your soft brown eyes on his hair."  Lovely trips indeed!!!!  
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: tomEisenbraun on Nov 16, 2006, 01:44 PM
As I'm digging through the older stuff, I'm finding more and more about how brilliant Jim's writing is. And because of the juxtaposition against the current stuff, it's causing me to take a look at the more recent material, and understand how his writing style has changed and also to look at what he's saying now. It's the same man and the same brilliance, but it's a different form of it on Z. Z is a lot more blatant, but it still has those beautiful Jim touches.

The weird things like his inversion of "box of boom" and his interesting phrasings ("to an artificial tune, I see you swoon") just go to prove his lyrical abilities, that he sees the language a lot different the regular constraints. I think as taken aback by how new and different songs like "Off The Record" were when we first got Z, we really have to go back and listen to that early stuff and realize how beautiful it is, but also listen hard ot the lyrics again, and realize that whatmakes them so beautiful is a mixture of Jim's touch of simplicity and his adeptness with the language, and also his quirky sense of humor. I think what's caused me to love this band most in the past week has been figuring out the lyrics to "That Someone Else Was You" from Ch. 2, and the end segment:

matted hair, unconscious sighs
and Levis on your big white thighs...

it's such a beautiful song, and that almost doesn't fit, but it's not necessarily vulgar, it just feels like this innocent sort of statement of facts, though it's a bit overly-honest.

Sheesh, that was way too many words for all that, but do you guys understand where I'm coming from? I don't mean to be some purist elitist about the band, but I think that, with the early recordings, if you really dig into those originals that are on there, you get this brilliant sense of Jim's beginnings, almost the unpolished root of his musical beginnings, and I think it's from there that we can really begin to understand where he's come from as an artist and how he's grown into his style. He's more succinct now, I'm sure, but we also can go back and understand the kind of importance he puts into his words, and how he understands that it's not just the words, but the whole of the song that makes it beautiful. "If It Smashes Down" would not be "If It Smashes Down" had it not the banjo and the creaky chair and the foot and "in the air..." slightly out of tune and out of breath in the middle. But that song, that song... I think I may be getting close to entering grounds I don't fully understand, and I am excited to discover more about how this works and to look more and more at Jim's song-writing.

Anyone else have any thoughts? I hate to dominate this. Let's have a conversation.


Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: sweatboard on Nov 16, 2006, 02:41 PM
When the crowd screams along "Waking Up Feeling Good And Limber" we are screaming about a certain kind of waking up.  It's that kind of genious that makes Jim so special.  When he says "Is There A Doctor In The House Tonight" we can't help but think "yes, Yes there is"  Then you take that line and compare it to the cover of Z and it makes even more sense.  Then you think about the name Z in terms of being asleep and the album cover comes even more into focus.  Then you think about the bands name.....It's like everything just fits together the more and more you look.  The Bear vs. Hybernation.  etc. etc.  
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: ycartrob on Nov 16, 2006, 03:09 PM
what's truly a trip is to figure out what the music touches in you. Finding out the subconcious and unrealized thoughts and feelings which that certain banjo, creaking chair, breathy "in the air" touch. I feel (and so do many others)there's a universal chord in music that's inbedded in our DNA. And for whatever reason, a certain artist is able to find and release some of those primordial goodies in all of us. So, we're drawn to what got us here.

It's easy to pin down why most lyrics move us (you know, "take me out of this dead end nightmare"), but sounds are what trip me out. How can pure sound elicit emotion? Elicit euphoria? So much of this is in our subconscious and cannot be described (perhaps only through dance).

Great thread Tom. I really appreciate how much Jacket fans appreciate music.

Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: tomEisenbraun on Nov 16, 2006, 03:11 PM
Perhaps through dance, or perhaps through three advil before before bed for a week straight after the fact...

Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: Mr. T. on Nov 16, 2006, 03:44 PM
This thread might be the best one there is on these boards.

It is great how everything you people are writing just makes perfect sense to me.

We all have been longtime fans of this band, and we all know how important this music is to our lives. It is wonderful to find my almost exact feelings in the writings of people I've never met.

Too bad my English isn't all that fluent, which makes it hard to express the deep emotions that I feel when listening to a breathtaking song as If it Smashes Down...
But inside, I know you know what I'm feeling...

 :-*
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: sweatboard on Nov 16, 2006, 04:26 PM
"what's truly a trip is to figure out what the music touches in you."

Yes, it is a trip and it's also something that's not easy to express in words or talk about, I also feel like sometimes the more you try and explain it in terms of words the less magical it becomes.  I guess that's what makes Jim so special, he's one of the few that can express these things through his songs, it seems he plays and writes from a very organic place.  I love it on the It Still Moves trailer when Jim is explaining the song in terms of "dum dum dum still going dum dum dum" but when Jim is beating the Life out of his guitar........."It's a meaning that I understand"  

I think Carl said something once to the effect of........."Jim isn't concerned with how the band functions as far as playing specific notes but that each band member is getting off.  I think that pretty much says it all.  You can see the diffrence in the way Carl plays now and the way he played when he first joined the band.  Jim is a liberating force and I would say Carl is a good example of that.  


I mean let's take the ending of Phone Went West it's a D-A-G chord progression, there is no explanation for how something that simple can move me that powerfuly......right?
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: BH on Nov 16, 2006, 05:29 PM
I am also loving this thread.  I am having a hard time forming my thoughts on this subject.  I don't think I could do a better job than you guys have already anyway.  

By the way, have you guys watched the Phone Went West from that Austin show that has been circulating?  Holy shit fire piss.  I havn't had the urge to "mosh" in years but that makes me want to bounce off of something.
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: EAZYE on Nov 16, 2006, 05:46 PM
Quotewhat's truly a trip is to figure out what the music touches in you. Finding out the subconcious and unrealized thoughts and feelings which that certain banjo, creaking chair, breathy "in the air" touch. I feel (and so do many others)there's a universal chord in music that's inbedded in our DNA. And for whatever reason, a certain artist is able to find and release some of those primordial goodies in all of us. So, we're drawn to what got us here.

It's easy to pin down why most lyrics move us (you know, "take me out of this dead end nightmare"), but sounds are what trip me out. How can pure sound elicit emotion? Elicit euphoria? So much of this is in our subconscious and cannot be described (perhaps only through dance).

Great thread Tom. I really appreciate how much Jacket fans appreciate music.


I don't think I can top that so yea, what he said. ;)
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: evilPaauwe on Nov 16, 2006, 11:50 PM
this could possibly be my favorite thread ever.  A while ago i wanted to start a thread about "if it smashes down" but had mixed feelings, thought maybe i'd be ridiucled for making a whole thread about one single song and i didn't know if anyone else liked it as much as i do...  sweetObard is 100%correct. The such personal production of this song just makes it that much better. Thats why i love tennessee fire and the early recordings, the crappy recordings do nothing negative to the songs for me. Also, i

 instantly had a new love for banjos once i heard this song
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: ycartrob on Nov 17, 2006, 12:38 AM
Paauwe, everytime I see your personal text, I want to go listen to Fearless (and I am not just making that up).
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: tomEisenbraun on Nov 17, 2006, 05:17 AM
Tracy, how bout you stay the hell on target here, eh?

Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: ycartrob on Nov 17, 2006, 09:24 AM
I'm 42.
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Post by: primushead on Nov 17, 2006, 10:41 AM
Flava Flav really annoys me >:(
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: ycartrob on Nov 17, 2006, 11:23 AM
QuoteFlava Flav really annoys me >:(


no spamming please
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: tomEisenbraun on Nov 17, 2006, 11:30 AM
Okay, just in order to keep this from being completely derailed by my own best efforts, here's a little more to chew on...

I just did a big report on French symbolist poet Arthur Rimbaud, who was a ridiculously crazy guy, but one of the most important contributions he gave to poetry was his naming of this process called "deranging of all the senses." I don't know if any of you guys who are or have been at one time part of the drug culture recognize a term called synesthesia, but it is basically that. I don't know that I can describe it very well without actually having experienced it, but it sounds very similar to stories I've heard from friends who've smoked pot. This synesthesia or "deranging of the senses" is achieved by basically getting your brain to a point where all of your senses experience your life as one sense. They all work in conjunction and react not only to the original stimulus, but to eachother as well. According to Rimbaud, this is the richest of experiences. I would assume it is something to the effect of hearing music and the score being expressed as a color or even a vision before your eyes while at the same time you can taste and smell what it sounds like. When one of my high school friends told me about his first time smoking pot, I remember him describing seeing something on tv and it came out of the tv and began dripping down the walls and it was red, or somehting to that effect. It sounds very much like a hallucinogenic experience.

And this is where we draw back more into MMJ. Rimbaud stood very convinced that there could be a universal language. He thought himself the prophet through which that language would be revealed, actually, and worked his short five years as a poet to achieve the realization of that dream. In truth, he never saw what he was looking for and gave up and became a gun-runner in Africa. However, he had beautiful ideas which still stand quite valid. He wrote a poem called "Vowels" where he took apart all the vowels and gave them each a personality, understanding that there might be more than words out there, but through this universal language, perhaps something could be triggered in any mind not through actual words, but through this understanding of sounds, through understanding not only how language works, but the way these sounds work together to trigger thought and emotion, that would be the achievement of this universal language.

So as I said: back to MMJ. You see where this is going? I firmly believe Jim understands this to some extent. Even if he never studied Rimbaud or Baudelaire in high school or college, he understands that language. Through how much this man can say with so little, and the beautiful way he uses his ooh's and ahh's, and this little phrase right here:

why does my mind blow to bits everytime
that they play that song?
it's just the way that he sings
not the words that hey says
or the band...
i'm in love with his soul
it's a meanin' I understand...

I know Jim understands this about universal language. From the way that he writes, it must be something innate inside him. I don't know what else to say, except that studying World Lit this semester has paid off in the fact that, at the very least, it has shown me how much I can truly appreciate about the music I love. And that this is certainly music worth loving.
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: ycartrob on Nov 17, 2006, 12:08 PM
Jim Morrison of the world famous Doors was into synesthesia, as he was into LSD (sort of a forced merging of the senses). He talks about a "slow derangemnet of the senses".

LSD was a short cut to this process and I always felt Hendrix was the quintessential purveyor of this synesthesia.
Like in Bold As Love:

 My Red is so confident
He flashes trophies of war and ribbons of euphoria
Orange is young, full of daring
But very unsteady for the first go round
My Yellow in this case is not so mellow
In fact I'm trying to say that it's frightened like me
And all this emotions of mine
Keep holding me from giving my life to a rainbow like you

A great game I play with my wife is she'll name a color she is feeling and so I put on the appropriate CD, and just about evrytime I nail it. And she smiles and nods.

My wife also sees and identifies people by color.

sooo, is the secret to reach synesthesia without using drugs? I have a hunch that some of those great philosophers and poets back in the day were heavy into the dope. But, some weren't...

It's like the guys who do Aqua Teen Hunger Force (or South Park); either those guys have done a ton of drugs or they are cold clean sober. Brian and I talked about this theory when it come to Wayne of Flaming Lips. He claims to not use and I would say he is very in touch with the "language".

just rambling...
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: Easy Morning Rebel on Nov 17, 2006, 12:11 PM
I love that song too. It's one of my absolute favorites of all MMJ songs. It really is beautiful!
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: colleen on Nov 17, 2006, 02:49 PM
I am loving reading what you are writing about this.  I feel wierd saying this because I'm not comfortable with new agey crystal waving stuff but I've done a bit of meditation involving the chakras. Some of my experiences with it were in some ways similar to experiences with hallucinogenics (which I don't do anymore because reality is intense enough without them). Don't know if this will make sense in words, but one of the things I realized in both kinds of experience was the feeling of knowing that I am not my senses, but that only by really experiencing all senses at once could I actually feel this. Don't think I've ever experienced my whole LIFE as one sense, that sounds pretty evolved. Once while meditating next to a close friend (both doing the same exercise), I had this feeling that she was having difficulty moving through the exercise, and I tried to help her. Amazingly, when we both opened our eyes, she described my involvement even in terms of the colors we both felt and where in her body she felt energy blocks. It was at that point that I started to believe much more strongly in what you might call a universal language or that there really wasn't a big separation between people.  There has been some interesting writing in fields like quantum physics about this kind of experience but thinking about it too much makes my head hurt. I only wish I could have that kind of experience of total immersion or losing myself when I paint or draw or live in general, but I think it's fear and judgement that always stops me. Wouldn't doubt that MMJ are regularly in touch with a universal language or force or whatever you wanna call it in a much deeper way than I can imagine. It certainly comes through in the music, and I definitely felt that right away when I first heard it and still do.
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: megisnotreal on Nov 17, 2006, 04:31 PM
I love this song.

As far as synesthesia is concerned... sure, drugs can enhance those feelings, but I think the hallmark of a successful writer is his or her ability to use words to evoke certain emotions and memories from the reader/listener. We all associate certain memories with smells or sounds or feelings, and a truly effective writer knows that. Sure, you want to get your feelings across to the audience, but you also want to craft your words in such a manner that they (your words) will be able to touch those little fragments of emotion or memory we all have locked away somewhere.

That's one of many, many, many reasons why I love Jim's lyrical ability. "It Smashes Down} seems to use this "universal language," because we're all able to hold this song dear to us for so many different reasons. We all hear the same song, but when listening, we're inundated with a vast array of emotions... it's an entirely different experience for each of us.

That's what makes it so beautiful.

Here's what I get out of it:

When I listen to it, I think about standing outside barefoot around 4am sometime in the spring... and the grass is wet and your feet are kind of cold, but you don't mind; the chilly morning has enveloped you, and all you feel is a warm peacefulness.
 
I think this song seems to perfectly capture the emotions you feel during the point five seconds that happen before a first kiss. You know, nervous and giddy at the same time.

This song makes me long for something without knowing what I am longing for.
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: LET_THE_FETUS_ROCK on Nov 17, 2006, 09:46 PM
THe first time I listened to At Dawn This song was the one that truely lept out at me.  THe picking pattern on the banjo and the the voice of a ghost in a rocking chair was  just so vivid.  I felt like I was listening to pure artistic genius. THe kind that is so natural you feel instantly alive and connected to the world.  I think Jim is the absolute artist of our time and I'm just glad I know him.
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: mcloo7 on Nov 17, 2006, 11:16 PM
Hey TomEisenburg, great thread. You're a pretty good writer yourself. I'm ashamed to say that If It Smashes Down has, so far, usually been the one song that I skip when I listen to At Dawn, but I'll start listenening to it again.

I think Where to Begin is a great example of Jim's lyrical greatness. It might not seem obvious, but the chorus to this song is so poetic, in a very subtle way:
"Always starting over, but somehow I always know where to begin."
"Over" and "know here" ryhme. I love rhymes that don't seem like rhymes upon first glance.

Another great line from the way that he sings is: WHy so great just to wake everyday, alive, by your side.

Trey Parker, the creator of Southpark has also said that he's never done drugs by the way.
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: sweatboard on Nov 17, 2006, 11:33 PM
Tom IS brilliant and he's only 19........ :o

You should also check out his music.  What's that link again Tom?  Not to mention he can grow a beard that makes me want to have a sex change.  Ok, enough of that..........Check Out Tom's MUSIC!!!!!!!!  
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: rob on Nov 18, 2006, 12:41 AM
QuoteTom IS brilliant and he's only 19........ :o

You should also check out his music.  What's that link again Tom?  Not to mention he can grow a beard that makes me want to have a sex change.  Ok, enough of that..........Check Out Tom's MUSIC!!!!!!!!  

Back away from the "Eisenburg", or you're asking for a catfight!  ;D
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: sweatboard on Nov 18, 2006, 12:52 AM
(http://www.pariswells.org/pics/funny/ice%20berg.jpg)

I was going to photo shop a beard onto it but It was going to take to long..........so just imagine it with a beard.
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Post by: Jernigan on Nov 18, 2006, 10:09 AM
I've layed my children down at night with this song on repeat on numerous occasions,  and we would fall asleep as gently as could be.

 It's also one of the first 2-3 MMJ songs I've ever had the pleasure of hearing. It was that, and "I will be there when you die", and "The Bear". Then I picked up "Z" and was like...what? This is amazing too......then the back catalogue unfolded in front of my eyes, and I haven't looked back since.

What strikes me the most is that I only just found them as "Z" was being released....but yet now that I have all of the albums from the past.....they all feel so familiar. It's comforting.....and I believe I owe alot of my mental stability right now to them, and the music.

So thanx to Tom for the thread, and a big thanx to the guys for making this music. I'm really not sure where I would be without it......So thank you.
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: ycartrob on Nov 18, 2006, 11:39 AM
QuoteI am loving reading what you are writing about this.  I feel wierd saying this because I'm not comfortable with new agey crystal waving stuff but I've done a bit of meditation involving the chakras. Some of my experiences with it were in some ways similar to experiences with hallucinogenics (which I don't do anymore because reality is intense enough without them). Don't know if this will make sense in words, but one of the things I realized in both kinds of experience was the feeling of knowing that I am not my senses, but that only by really experiencing all senses at once could I actually feel this. Don't think I've ever experienced my whole LIFE as one sense, that sounds pretty evolved. Once while meditating next to a close friend (both doing the same exercise), I had this feeling that she was having difficulty moving through the exercise, and I tried to help her. Amazingly, when we both opened our eyes, she described my involvement even in terms of the colors we both felt and where in her body she felt energy blocks. It was at that point that I started to believe much more strongly in what you might call a universal language or that there really wasn't a big separation between people.  There has been some interesting writing in fields like quantum physics about this kind of experience but thinking about it too much makes my head hurt. I only wish I could have that kind of experience of total immersion or losing myself when I paint or draw or live in general, but I think it's fear and judgement that always stops me. Wouldn't doubt that MMJ are regularly in touch with a universal language or force or whatever you wanna call it in a much deeper way than I can imagine. It certainly comes through in the music, and I definitely felt that right away when I first heard it and still do.

nice story. I, too, share the uncomfortableness of the "new agey crystal waving stuff", but I have had experiences over the past summer where I reached some blissful spiritual planes (Bear Butte, South Dakota and the Badlands) that I totally cannot deny. No drugs, no alcohol, no sleep deprivation or fasting, just pure, genuine, authentic, maintained feelings of this oneness.

My wife is a reiki practitioner and has told me of visions she has had with total strangers while doing reiki and this person will confirm her feelings (or visions).

It's really hard to have the discipline (for me) to stay in touch. I have been reading the teachings of Thich Nhat Hanh, which have been blowing my mind. http://seaox.com/thich.html

As I am growing older, I feel more drwan to a universal spiritualty rather than teachings of one specific religion.

There is so much we do not comprehend...
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Post by: colleen on Nov 18, 2006, 12:06 PM
Certain landscapes definitely seem to evoke those feelings of oneness. Beaches on the Pacific Northwest coast and similar settings in Northern Ireland have provided that space for me.

Thich Nhat Hanh has written some really incredible stuff. I love how really simple it all is, but so powerful if you can just slow down enough to hear it (I have trouble with the slowing down part). "No Death, No Fear" is the book of his that helped me the most in my life. I have the audio version of it and listened to it a bunch of times after my dad passed 2 years ago. Made me realize that death is really just a change in form. Like when a tree "dies" it actually provides new life for millions of organisms. It's not gone-that's just a human projection. It's nice to be able to embrace ideas of life continuing without all the catholic baggage of my youth. Tibetan Book of Living and Dying is also excellent, but I needed to read it over the course of a few months because it can be very intense and overwhelming.

It's nice to hear a little about the connection you and your wife share.  I really respect Reiki and the tradition it comes from. And it definitely works- my cat has even responded to it!
Title: Re: If It Smashes Down
Post by: Hoptimus Prime on Sep 04, 2020, 01:13 PM
Lets bring back a super old post rather than starting a new one!  I finally got a banjo and was hoping for a video on YouTube or something to start learning the song.  Anyone have a pro tip for me?