imho
Evil Urges > At Dawn ????
At Dawn > Z
QuoteQuoteimho
i agree....
I agree the actual album but live not sure yet.
every album is so amazing they're so hard to stack up against each other.
but jesus let's try:
EVIL URGES- I'm still letting it grow on me, first impressions are amazing really
Z- One of my favorites, I love it for tripping balls to or thinking deeply about things to
IT STILL MOVES- A great all around pot album, contains everything great about MMJ
AT DAWN- Just amazing music that reminds me of the Beach Boys...and great pot disc
THE TENNESSEE FIRE- Great chill out think deeply music that calms and uplifts
overall, they're amazing in their own little ways.
EVIL URGES is really weird haha, and as some people have compared it to HOUSES OF THE HOLY, I will have to agree. Really out there and crazy and schizophrenic.....completely matches up with Zeppelin's HOUSES OF THE HOLY or Radiohead's KID A.
QuoteEvil Urges > At Dawn ????
At Dawn > Z
No one told me there would be math on this Forum!!!!!
Ive listened about 4 times so far... and so far i wouldnt say its better than "Z"
QuoteQuoteEvil Urges > At Dawn ????
At Dawn > Z
No one told me there would be math on this Forum!!!!!
Math - It's Universal
QuoteQuoteQuoteEvil Urges > At Dawn ????
At Dawn > Z
No one told me there would be math on this Forum!!!!!
Math - It's Universal
Yeah, which is why the original mathematical statement would be wrong everywhere.
Even if both of these statements were true (and they are not statements of fact, so they are not)...
EU > Z
AD > Z
It would not imply that EU > AD. EU could be not as great as at dawn and still be greater than z.
IE: 7(EU) > 5(Z)
9(AD) > 5(Z)
7(EU) < 9(AD)
I don't really have an opinion on the matter, but I couldn't let that go.
Quoteimho
I strongly disagree at the moment. I'm not sold yet on Evil Urges.
I've gotta say neel, you're currently leading the list for my favorite first post!
QuoteI've gotta say neel, you're currently leading the list for my favorite first post!
I've got to agree.
"Z" > (place album title here"
QuoteQuoteEvil Urges > At Dawn ????
At Dawn > Z
No one told me there would be math on this Forum!!!!!
or logic equations!?!
QuoteEvil Urges > At Dawn ????
At Dawn > Z
At Dawn is acutally my favorite MMJ album
QuoteEvil Urges > At Dawn ????
At Dawn > Z
No fucking way. ;D At Dawn > Z, ISM, TTF > Evil Urges
QuoteQuoteEvil Urges > At Dawn ????
At Dawn > Z
No fucking way. ;D At Dawn > Z, ISM, TTF > Evil Urges
At Dawn > It Still Moves > Evil Urges = The Tennesee Fire > Z
At Dawn 9.9
It Still Moves 9.3
Evil Urges 9.2 (so far)
TTF 9.2
Z 9.0
At Dawn is in my top 5 albums of ALL TIME.........!!!!!!
i honestly can't imagine too many records better....
Just think of Evil Urges as part 2 of Z, continuing a dark, spiraling experimental roller coaster into hell that's somehow extremely worth it..........almost like a Radioheadesque version of Neil Young's "Ditch Trilogy".
QuoteQuoteQuoteEvil Urges > At Dawn ????
At Dawn > It Still Moves > Evil Urges = The Tennesee Fire > Z
At Dawn 9.9
It Still Moves 9.3
Evil Urges 9.2 (so far)
TTF 9.2
Z 9.0
now this i agree with
Z is my favorite one, isn't there ANYONE else who likes it that much? At Dawn is a very close second, followed by ISM and (last but def not least) TTF. Not sure where Evil Urges will fit, but at this point it might be my least favorite. I was very optimistic at first from the excitement, but i like it less the more i listen to it.
Quoteevery album is so amazing they're so hard to stack up against each other.
but jesus let's try:
EVIL URGES- I'm still letting it grow on me, first impressions are amazing really
Z- One of my favorites, I love it for tripping balls to or thinking deeply about things to
IT STILL MOVES- A great all around pot album, contains everything great about MMJ
AT DAWN- Just amazing music that reminds me of the Beach Boys...and great pot disc
THE TENNESSEE FIRE- Great chill out think deeply music that calms and uplifts
overall, they're amazing in their own little ways.
EVIL URGES is really weird haha, and as some people have compared it to HOUSES OF THE HOLY, I will have to agree. Really out there and crazy and schizophrenic.....completely matches up with Zeppelin's HOUSES OF THE HOLY or Radiohead's KID A.
Man I love the House of Holy and definitely Kid A references. I think the problem is that everyone wants MMJ to be something the next Radiohead, the next Wilco and are disappointed when they are not. To reference Manny Ramirez, The Jacket is just being The Jacket.
To add my two cents I think Evil Urges is what No Code was to Pearl Jam. They are experimenting and trying new things and saying if you don't like it oh well. Personally I love it, I don't know where it ranks and I don't think I have ever ranked MMJ b/c all of it is so brilliant and different. I will say Okonokos was the album/dvd that made me a nut.
QuoteQuoteevery album is so amazing they're so hard to stack up against each other.
but jesus let's try:
EVIL URGES- I'm still letting it grow on me, first impressions are amazing really
Z- One of my favorites, I love it for tripping balls to or thinking deeply about things to
IT STILL MOVES- A great all around pot album, contains everything great about MMJ
AT DAWN- Just amazing music that reminds me of the Beach Boys...and great pot disc
THE TENNESSEE FIRE- Great chill out think deeply music that calms and uplifts
overall, they're amazing in their own little ways.
EVIL URGES is really weird haha, and as some people have compared it to HOUSES OF THE HOLY, I will have to agree. Really out there and crazy and schizophrenic.....completely matches up with Zeppelin's HOUSES OF THE HOLY or Radiohead's KID A.
Man I love the House of Holy and definitely Kid A references. I think the problem is that everyone wants MMJ to be something the next Radiohead, the next Wilco and are disappointed when they are not. To reference Manny Ramirez, The Jacket is just being The Jacket.
To add my two cents I think Evil Urges is what No Code was to Pearl Jam. They are experimenting and trying new things and saying if you don't like it oh well. Personally I love it, I don't know where it ranks and I don't think I have ever ranked MMJ b/c all of it is so brilliant and different. I will say Okonokos was the album/dvd that made me a nut.
i don't know that i really buy this... besides the first 3 songs and maybe Touch Me Pt 2, this album is LESS experimental than it's predecessor, and certainly when comparing Z to It Still Moves.
i really don't think it's all that OUT there at all other than Highly Suspicious honestly. tracks 4-12 are all pretty much classic MMJ. in fact, a good portion of those songs in that run are more traditional song structures than anything they've done since At Dawn even.
i've been telling people who aren't that big on the record yet to just skip ahead to I'm Amazed and start from there, it's helped a few folks.
one last thing before i hit the sack...
while many of us put At Dawn up on a pedestal (was my first intro into them (well actually seeing them open for Beth Orton in 2002 was), and while i don't know that they'll ever touch that record for me...
it needs to be stated/stressed that this is NOT the same band that recorded TN Fire, At Dawn, or even It Still Moves.
There are only 2 members still left in the band from those first 2 records and 3 from ISM now, it's really not that fair to judge pre-2004 MMJ against Bo & Carl era. they're both great in their own rights.
3 members actually, besides tenn. fire..
Quoteit needs to be stated/stressed that this is NOT the same band that recorded TN Fire, At Dawn, or even It Still Moves.
I'll take that a step further and say that it's been ten plus years - Jim and Patrick have probably changed a lot in their own right.
Quote3 members actually, besides tenn. fire..
Patrick didn't play on At Dawn, he joined in 2002...
but you're right, he was on It Still Moves, i was thinking more in terms of touring years, my bad
In no way is EU > then Z. ;D
EU is very good for what it is. But trying to compare it to previous work is crazy.
If I were pitting it up against ANY of the other albums it would lose big time.
It's kind of like In Rainbows. You have to accept it for what it is and not for what it is not.
It's unfair to compare it to when MMJ was at their peak.
QuoteIn no way is EU > then Z. ;D
EU is very good for what it is. But trying to compare it to previous work is crazy.
If I were pitting it up against ANY of the other albums it would lose big time.
It's kind of like In Rainbows. You have to accept it for what it is and not for what it is not.
It's unfair to compare it to when MMJ was at their peak.
first off awesome avatar, gotta love Sweet Lou! and i guess i will just have to agree to disagree, with each listen i like EU more and more and i think it is much better then Z.
QuoteQuoteIn no way is EU > then Z. ;D
EU is very good for what it is. But trying to compare it to previous work is crazy.
If I were pitting it up against ANY of the other albums it would lose big time.
It's kind of like In Rainbows. You have to accept it for what it is and not for what it is not.
It's unfair to compare it to when MMJ was at their peak.
first off awesome avatar, gotta love Sweet Lou! and i guess i will just have to agree to disagree, with each listen i like EU more and more and i think it is much better then Z.
AGREED!
Quote3 members actually, besides tenn. fire..
TF= Jim, Tommy
AD= Jim, Tommy
ISM= Jim, Tommy, Pat
J. Glenn drummed on TN and AD
QuoteQuoteIn no way is EU > then Z. ;D
EU is very good for what it is. But trying to compare it to previous work is crazy.
If I were pitting it up against ANY of the other albums it would lose big time.
It's kind of like In Rainbows. You have to accept it for what it is and not for what it is not.
It's unfair to compare it to when MMJ was at their peak.
first off awesome avatar, gotta love Sweet Lou! and i guess i will just have to agree to disagree, with each listen i like EU more and more and i think it is much better then Z.
Thanks man, I get a laugh every time I see Lou dance!
Again, I'm not trying to take away anything from EU, it is great compared to 99% of music made today. But for me, EU seems like a step backwards from Z.
Again, only my opinion.
It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things anyway. I'm gonna rock this album until my face melts.
I thought Z sucked.
I like EU
QuoteI thought Z sucked.
I like EU
Of course the dark man from the Gunslinger would love "Evil" urges! But how could he not like the spooky carnival sound of Into The Woods, or the haunting Dondante? :-/
Into The Woods was not only the worst song on Z, but it's also one of the worst songs in MMJ's catalog.
the lyrics are just horrendous. :-/
QuoteInto The Woods was not only the worst song on Z, but it's also one of the worst songs in MMJ's catalog.
the lyrics are just horrendous. :-/
You obviously are not paying close enough attention to the lyrics. I think they contain one of my all time favorite MMJ messages. And the song is fantastic once you get past the initial shock of the carnival background. IMO of course. :-/
Into the woods is amazing, sucks so many people are turned off by it. I would really love to see it played live again at some point, but it probably won't ever happen, at least not at a show i'm at. So much going on in that song, so much dreamy sound to it, weird in a good way lyrics... ahhh
QuoteQuote3 members actually, besides tenn. fire..
TF= Jim, Tommy
AD= Jim, Tommy
ISM= Jim, Tommy, Pat
J. Glenn drummed on TN and AD
All subjective really, we all know patrick does the job well, and would have probably done just as good, if not better of a job on At dawn.
QuoteInto the woods is amazing, sucks so many people are turned off by it. I would really love to see it played live again at some point, but it probably won't ever happen, at least not at a show i'm at. So much going on in that song, so much dreamy sound to it, weird in a good way lyrics... ahhh
I'm with you, i like it very much. Probably their most psychedelic song, along with Honest Man (which I also like). Until EU there really wasn't a single song they recorded that I didn't like.
i am kind of surprised by all this love for Into the Woods, it is the only song that i skip when listening to any mmj album.
Quotei am kind of surprised by all this love for Into the Woods, it is the only song that i skip when listening to any mmj album.
It's a grower. Listen to the solo version from Seattle and it might help you see the light! ;)
QuoteQuoteInto the woods is amazing, sucks so many people are turned off by it. I would really love to see it played live again at some point, but it probably won't ever happen, at least not at a show i'm at. So much going on in that song, so much dreamy sound to it, weird in a good way lyrics... ahhh
I'm with you, i like it very much. Probably their most psychedelic song, along with Honest Man (which I also like). Until EU there really wasn't a single song they recorded that I didn't like.
Thank you, Into the Woods
is an amazing song!
"Where A Wood Buring Stream Flows Up Thru The Trees ... "
In my head, those lyrics carry some vividly psychedelic associations.
I'd have to vote for Cobra for most amazingly psychedelic MMJ song though. It's in a category of its own.
And to the OP, Z > EU. There are some definite highlights, a few excellent additions to the repertoire, but the songs Evil Urges, Highly Suspicious, Two Halves, and Aluminum Park are mediocre at best ... in my own very personal opinion, in all it's subjectivity.
Touch Me Pt. 1 & 2, Librarian, Thank You Too, Smokin from Shootin, and Remnants are all
excellent.
QuoteQuoteI thought Z sucked.
I like EU
Of course the dark man from the Gunslinger would love "Evil" urges! But how could he not like the spooky carnival sound of Into The Woods, or the haunting Dondante? :-/
;D Yeah I was thinking 'The Stand'. Have to read more of The Dark Tower series, only read the first one.
This thread is Shot! ;D
QuoteQuoteQuoteI thought Z sucked.
I like EU
Of course the dark man from the Gunslinger would love "Evil" urges! But how could he not like the spooky carnival sound of Into The Woods, or the haunting Dondante? :-/
;D Yeah I was thinking 'The Stand'. Have to read more of The Dark Tower series, only read the first one.
This thread is Shot! ;D
Oh shit, that's right, he was a much bigger character in The Stand. It's been a long long long time since I read The Stand. Dark Tower gets better and better as it goes. The first one won't hook you but I think if you read number two you'll be in for a long journey.
at this point it really isn't even close.
Evil Urges > Z
Quoteevery album is so amazing they're so hard to stack up against each other.
but jesus let's try:
EVIL URGES- I'm still letting it grow on me, first impressions are amazing really
Z- One of my favorites, I love it for tripping balls to or thinking deeply about things to
IT STILL MOVES- A great all around pot album, contains everything great about MMJ
AT DAWN- Just amazing music that reminds me of the Beach Boys...and great pot disc
THE TENNESSEE FIRE- Great chill out think deeply music that calms and uplifts
overall, they're amazing in their own little ways.
EVIL URGES is really weird haha, and as some people have compared it to HOUSES OF THE HOLY, I will have to agree. Really out there and crazy and schizophrenic.....completely matches up with Zeppelin's HOUSES OF THE HOLY or Radiohead's KID A.
dude dont compare the two....just dont
I've only been around here for a year or so - but it seems to me that Z gets slagged on quite a bit. I wouldn't know if EU is greater than anything as I haven't heard it other than pieces. I think every note on Z is perfect.
I keep hearing that it was "commercially accessable". Really??
Personally, I put ISM and AD together as perfect albums. I dont think they will ever hit that peak again, but wouldn't be suprised if I was wrong. You just never know with these guys. After those 2 gems, would be Choc. & Ice, then TTF. Then the christmas ep, and then Z. I'm imagining EU will fall either just infront or just behind TTF. Time will tell Isuppose.
On a side note, in ref: The Dark Tower series; one of my favorite book series ever, though I have not finished it. I own all ofthem andI'm on the last book, but I like where the characters are right now only 100 or so paes in, and I am so afraid as to what might happen to some of my favorite book characters ever that I just dont have the hear to read on. If you folks have read the last book, is it worth continuing, or does it destroy you? I liked all books so far except for Songs of Suzanne which felt....rushed or something ... I cant put my finger on it.
QuoteIn no way is EU > then Z. ;D
EU is very good for what it is. But trying to compare it to previous work is crazy.
If I were pitting it up against ANY of the other albums it would lose big time.
It's kind of like In Rainbows. You have to accept it for what it is and not for what it is not.
It's unfair to compare it to when MMJ was at their peak.
I really agreed with you until you mentioned "In Rainbows" - which i would argue is one of the best Radiohead records ever made and my personal fave because it has a much warmer feel to it than some of their previous efforts.... but i digress. lol
Anywho - TO MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS which include our legendary MMJ and more specifically "Evil Urges"... as much as it pains me to say it...
and it does pain me...
Evil Urges is an okay record... but it doesn't hold a candle to At Dawn or ISM. Z was spotty... it has some fantastic moments for sure - but i have to skip through 1 or 2 tracks and it never "flowed" or tracked as well as At Dawn or ISM.
I have listened to Evil Urges about 25-30 times thanks to a buddy owning a record store...
It's not a "bad" record by any means... but unfortunately (for ME) - it's not a "special" record... which as we know they have made in the past and are extremely capable of making.
I look at evil urges as a slight bump in the road for 1 of my favorite all time bands. I have faith in them and know that they can and will continue to make great music in the future...
Again - this is just my opinion (and you know what they say about those!!!)
I don't want to rain on anyone's parade - but just offering just 1 little person's perspective.
At Dawn is still my favorite album ever, but Evil Urges is quickly coming close to entering my top 5. This album combines every genre and era of music, and at times changes genres/eras 4,5,6 times in certain songs. This has never been done, at least not with this power. Actually I've never even heard any of this attempted.
Flaming Lips, Radiohead, Michael Jackson, Prince, Pink Floyd, The Boss, Lennon, Westerberg, James Taylor, Rick James, Guns N Roses, Rammstein, Beegees, Beach Boys, Poison, Alabama, and My Morning Jacket all on one album. That's just what I heard, but there were a lot of moments I didn't know how to connect.
1. At Dawn
2. Circulatory System
3. Zaireeka
4. Sunset Tree
5. Yoshimi...
5. Evil Urges?
QuoteAt Dawn is still my favorite album ever, but Evil Urges is quickly coming close to entering my top 5. This album combines every genre and era of music, and at times changes genres/eras 4,5,6 times in certain songs. This has never been done, at least not with this power. Actually I've never even heard any of this attempted.
Flaming Lips, Radiohead, Michael Jackson, Prince, Pink Floyd, The Boss, Lennon, Westerberg, James Taylor, Rick James, Guns N Roses, Rammstein, Beegees, Beach Boys, Poison, Alabama, and My Morning Jacket all on one album. That's just what I heard, but there were a lot of moments I didn't know how to connect.
1. At Dawn
2. Circulatory System
3. Zaireeka
4. Sunset Tree
5. Yoshimi...
5. Evil Urges?
Top 5 of all time???
hmmm....
let's see...
1. Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking
2. Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
3. Modest Mouse - The Moon & Antarctica
4. Pixies - Trompe Le Monde
5. Flaming Lips - Yoshimi
5a. My Morning Jacket - At Dawn
...and about 100 other records.... lol
This is my first post, I will apologize in advance if I commit a internet etiquette mistake. I can't help but get in on the top 5 record conversation.
1. Astral Weeks-Van Morrison
2. Southern Rock Opera- DBT
3. At Dawn- MMJ
4. Pet Sounds- BB
5. Moby Grape- MG
I am a 32 yo, Chef from Louisville, with varying degrees of interest in all music if that makes any sense.
1. At Dawn
2. On The Beach
3. Revolver
4. Bringing It All Back Home
5. Dookie