Let's all convert!

[MMJ_fanatic]

8 Arrested in Slaying of Filmmaker
Nov 3, 8:47 AM EST

The Associated Press

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands -- Dutch police have arrested eight suspected Islamic radicals as part of the investigation into the brutal slaying of outspoken filmmaker Theo van Gogh, prosecutors said Wednesday.

The suspects were detained in the 24 hours following Van Gogh's killing while he bicycled on an Amsterdam street, prosecution spokeswoman Dop Kruimel told The Associated Press.

Six detainees are of Moroccan origin, one is Algerian and the other has dual Spanish-Moroccan nationality, she said.

The suspect in the killing — a 26-year-old suspected Muslim extremist with dual Moroccan-Dutch citizenship — was arrested Tuesday after a shootout with police.

The unidentified suspect was wounded in the leg.

Kruimel said the suspects, whose identities were not released, were detained and released during an October 2003 investigation into a potential terrorist threat.

"The suspects were detained at a number of residences searched in connection with the Van Gogh investigation," Kruimel said. "They were previously known to us. As of now only one suspect is being held for Van Gogh's murder, but the investigation will determine if others may have been connected."

Van Gogh, 47, who received death threats after his recent movie sharply criticized how women are treated under Islam, was repeatedly shot and stabbed to death on an Amsterdam street Tuesday.

"Don't do it. Don't do it. Have mercy. Have mercy!" the Algemeen Dagblad newspaper quoted Van Gogh as begging his killer.

Another Dutch newspaper, the Telegraaf daily, carried a large color photograph of Van Gogh's body with a knife protruding from his chest under the headline "Butchered."

"We're not going to take this," the Dagblad said.

The paper said the killer shot Van Gogh eight or nine times, then calmly slipped his weapon in the pocket of a beige raincoat before bending over his victim and slitting his throat.

Dutch Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner said the suspect "acted out of radical Islamic fundamentalist convictions" and added that he had contacts with a group that was under surveillance by the Dutch secret service.

The suspect allegedly is friends with Samir Azzouz, an 18-year-old Muslim of Moroccan origin awaiting trial on charges of planning a terrorist attack targeting a nuclear reactor and Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport, NOS Dutch television reported.

Azzouz was among those arrested in October 2003 but released for lack of evidence. He was re-arrested in June.

On Wednesday, well-wishers brought hundreds of flowers to the spot where Van Gogh was slain. Others brought beer, cigarettes and cactus plants — a reference to Van Gogh's prickly artistic nature and his habit of giving guests on his television talk show a cactus as a gift.

"This is an attack on my country," said Masite Halici, a young Dutch woman who came with a rose. "I didn't enjoy his art at all, but we need people who stand up for what they think."

Van Gogh — an award-winning filmmaker, television producer and newspaper columnist — once mocked a prominent Dutch Jew, referred to Jesus as "the rotten fish" of Nazareth and called a radical Muslim politician "Allah's pimp."

The great-grandson of painter Vincent Van Gogh's brother released the fictional film "Submission" in August about a Muslim woman who was beaten and sexually abused, drawing the ire of some Muslims and generating death threats against him.

In the fictional story, a veiled Muslim woman spoke about her violent marriage, being raped by a relative and later brutally punished for adultery. In some scenes, the actress' naked body is shown through a transparent gown. One scene shows her body with Quranic verses written on it.

Some Muslims and women's groups said the movie's depiction of the abuse of women was insensitive.

In a recent radio interview, Van Gogh, a chain-smoking social critic and satirist, dismissed the threats and called the movie "the best protection I could have. It's not something I worry about."

Police kept watch on Van Gogh's house immediately after the film's airing but dropped that precaution because there was no concrete evidence of a threat.

The English-language film was written by Somali-born Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a lawmaker who has outraged Muslims by criticizing Islamic customs and the failure of Muslim families to adopt Dutch ways.

Her spokeswoman, Ingrid Pouw, said Hirsi Ali was "deeply shocked" by the slaying.

About 20,000 people poured into Amsterdam's central square to protest the attack. Many blew horns and whistles and banged pots and pans.

The government held late-night crisis meetings and the Immigration Minister met with Muslim groups to discuss how to avoid violent confrontations with the Muslim community.

Dutch Muslim groups condemned the killing and called for reconciliation, expressing fears of possible reprisals against Muslims. Several Muslim groups planned rallies in the Dutch capital to protest the attack.

Van Gogh's killing came at a time of increased tensions in the Netherlands, where many blame violent crime on the Muslim minority, mainly made up of immigrants.

The killing instantly recalled the assassination of anti-immigration politician Pim Fortuyn, who was killed in 2002 by an animal-rights activist.

In the aftermath of Fortuyn's assassination, 10 percent of the Dutch electorate voted for his anti-immigration party, and during the last two years the Netherlands has taken the toughest measures in the European Union to clamp down on immigration.


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[EC]

Oh god, that's horrible.

[Oz]

It is. It fucking is. The movie that Theo van Gogh made with the naked, abused Moslim women, was a co-production with a Dutch female ex-Moslim politician who also often criticizes the Islam. She is now also threatened to be killed. It's so fucking awful. The man was truly butchered. First he was shot, then he managed to escape but got shot again. Then, while he was still alive, the killer started cutting his throat open. Butchered like a pig, for god's sakes. I never liked the man, I read a lot of his work and was really annoyed about how all he did was insulting people and thereby destroying the good things that he had to say as well. But by god, this is so... What a country we live in.

[Oz]

I must say, however, that as far as I know it is not true that De Telegraaf published a photo of his corpse with a knife stuck in it, 'cause when the press arrived, the body was already covered. Oh, and what did you mean with 'Let's all convert!'?    ???

[marktwain]

What is meant by "Let's all convert?"  Are you blaming Islam for the murder?

[MMJ_fanatic]

It is actually tongue-in-cheek humor.

as far as blame, well, let's see, the murders were Islamic, they killed a perfectly good film maker for shedding light on their barbaric practices so where does that lead us--maybe to the conclusion that the religion drives deeply flawed behavior by members of said religion.  I mean WTF!!!!  we can hold our hands out to everyone but how many times do you need to get bitten before you change your tactics--all right I am derailing.  I AM NOT SAYING ALL PRACTICERS OF ISLAM ARE BAD LIKE THIS OOOOOKKKKK EVERYONE?????

[EC]

(what does your sig line mean?)

[MMJ_fanatic]

its a signature line from one of my favorite movies Army of Darkness by my favorite actor Bruce Campbell :)

[Oz]

I totally agree with your sarcasm, MMJfanatic, it's just that I simply don't know what it means, 'Let's all convert'. Everyone's always saying my English is very good even though I'm Dutch, but this one is not in my vocabulary yet. :)

[Oz]

Oh, and Theo van Gogh's movies weren't all that good. Not that that's an excuse, ofcourse, but... Anyway.  :-/ :)

[MMJ_fanatic]

O--in the states the media coverage has been very sensitive about talking about Muslims and Islam in general and also focused on how we need to be careful about profiling while enforcing security at airports et al.  it's like everyone is afraid to say something the slightest bit negative about the situation but the fact is the animals who crashed jets into the world trade center and the pentagon were not 75 year old grandmothers not 30 something white/african American/ asian American/native American males--we know who they were.  so to make a long story longer I am sarcastically saying let's all join (convert) to this religion that everyone is being so "kid glove" about and ignore the reality that it has some really screwed up aspects to it.  my joke fell flat  :-/

[Jellyfish]

its a signature line from one of my favorite movies Army of Darkness by my favorite actor Bruce Campbell

My favorite trilogy of all time.

"JOIN US!"

[MMJ_fanatic]

"I'll swallow your soul!"
"Swallow this"

[Oz]

O--in the states the media coverage has been very sensitive about talking about Muslims and Islam in general and also focused on how we need to be careful about profiling while enforcing security at airports et al.  it's like everyone is afraid to say something the slightest bit negative about the situation but the fact is the animals who crashed jets into the world trade center and the pentagon were not 75 year old grandmothers not 30 something white/african American/ asian American/native American males--we know who they were.  so to make a long story longer I am sarcastically saying let's all join (convert) to this religion that everyone is being so "kid glove" about and ignore the reality that it has some really screwed up aspects to it.  my joke fell flat  :-/

I get it now. :)

[aMillionDreams]

bump!

[Angry Ewok]

I wonder who they'd start killing if everyone did convert?

[ManNamedTruth]

I don't get this. If its a joke why did you use the name Theo Van Gogh, Vincent' brother? Was their a director with the same name?