Election 2016

[ericm]

I never said that. You got into it last time with me....you love to voice your opinion but then shit on me when I have one.

You absolutely twisted my words.

Right you are. We got into it when you said (in two separate threads) that Jim was an LSD casualty or (burn-out). I (and several others on here) called you out on even suggesting such a thing on a fan site run by the band themselves. Shame on you!

As far as twisting your words on this thread and its purpose goes, I believe you are wrong. What I believe you said (or at least implied) was that you know everyone has opinions on political issues, but that you would prefer that we all keep them to ourselves. The actual quote went like this, "i respect everyones opinions on politics on here, i really do i promise!! BUT i wish everyone would keep it to themselves, kinda divides what should be one big happy MMJ family. just one man's thoughts!" As you can see from your quote above, you did say you "wish(ed) everyone would keep it (I'm going to assume you are using the pronoun "it" to signify "opinions on politics") to themselves". I am not twisting your words at all. All I'm doing is "making light of" or "making fun of" the notion that there even being a thread that is specifically named, "Election 2016" is inappropriate or at least divisive and shouldn't be a part of this here Forum. Well...johnnYYac (who happens to be a very active moderator on this here Forum) started this thread in the "Off-Topic Ramblings". He has opened the door for political discussions here, hence, the sharing of political thought, opinions, strategies, wishes, fears, dreams, frustrations, etc. If you didn't mean to imply that it gets on your nerves for people to voice their political opinions here and that doing so "kinda divides what should be one big happy MMJ family" - your quote again, not mine, then maybe John should take it down, delete it, do away with the entire thread. After all, that is/was the purpose of the thread in the first place.

When you started shooting off your mouth about Jim being an LSD burn-out, several people put you in your place. I'm doing the same thing, but I'm doing it with "off-putting sarcasm". I didn't twist a single word or thought of yours around. I'm just calling you a cry-baby who should really get over it if a thread or topic that gets started around here is "off-putting" to you and your sensibilities. Just don't read the posts in the threads that offend you or "put you off". Others here might be interested.

With all that being said, the only things I posted in this thread were two videos. One was of the daughter of Eric Garner announcing her support for Senator Sanders (and some of her reasons). The other was a compilation of speeches Mr. Sanders has made over the years about the same topics he is speaking about today. This is an election year, and speeches will be made, opinions will be shared, and disagreements will ensue. If it gets too hot in the "kitchen"/Forum section known as "Off-Topic Ramblings", then I suggest you not try to get the participants to stop posting. I suggest you not read them.

Pretty simple.

I actually am a supporter of Bernie. I was really speaking for a couple of my friends, who hate this forum because it is a lot of times more argumentative than loving, and you are just proving them even more correct. Thats why Facebook has become the move.

I happen to love this forum, but not when people are out to get one another, like right now. As far as the Jim thing goes, i never said he was an "Acid Casualty" hahaha. I just think he was tripping balls during Red Rocks (which, maybe wasnt a popular topic on this forum, but my mmj friends definitely thought he was too, BUT it isnt even a bad thing in my OPINION. Without Psychedelics, a lot of the music we love would not exist.) and looked a little out of it this year, but now I realize his back was just out of wack and was most probably wearing a back brace. Its absolutely crazy he was able to do what he did, they SOUNDED better than ever this year.

I love this band to death but cant we all just fucking get along? Sorry my post somehow implied to "shut it down"....Im out

EDIT: btw, i never even quoted your post originally nor did i even look at your posts. You could've just simply overlooked my remarks and kept going. I love all of you, i'm not trying to start anything!

More argumentative than loving?  Are you for real? This place is one of the nicest music forums out there, filled with kind, great people.

I honestly think you may be reading way too much into people having a difference of opinion on some threads, and having a bit of back and forth. Nothing wrong with a discussion, and I really don't know where you're coming from if you think this place is even the slightest bit hostile or "out to get one another".

I haven't been here as long as some but I think I can count on one hand the number of times a thread even got heated, let alone seem like an attack of some sort. I've met so many great, kind, really cool people here who go out of their way for each other, that personally I take a bit of offense to how you describe it. I can honestly say my experience here is 180 degrees different than yours, and maybe, just maybe some of the fault in how you see it is yours?

[LBSUNFLWR]

^^^ exactly!

[ALady]

That escalated quickly.

[ericm]

The rampant and brainless fanaticism expressed on this woman's face is quite scary, in my opinion.

Yeah and the apparent joy on the woman behind her with her hand on her forehead is equally scary to me.   

[Taterbug]

REGISTER TO VOTE NOW !!!  Regardless of political affiliation.    It's really kind of perplexing to me that only 54% of people vote in the presidential elections and 37% in the midterms.   The madness must be stopped.  That's all [emoji3]

[davymac]

REGISTER TO VOTE NOW !!!  Regardless of political affiliation.    It's really kind of perplexing to me that only 54% of people vote in the presidential elections and 37% in the midterms.   The madness must be stopped.  That's all [emoji3]

Interesting!  Just for the sake of discussion (humor me), is not voting at all exercising your right to vote, or should everyone in this country at least pick "the lesser of the evils" if they don't have a candidate that represents their ideals? 

[walterfredo]

In Australia you're fined if you don't vote.

Feel the Bern!!

[LBSUNFLWR]

If Trump wins what country do you want to move to?

[Taterbug]

Hey davymac ,   I've always voted, yes most of the time it's  the lesser of the evils.  I've never had a chance to vote for someone that sides with  me on every issue.   I try  to pick  issues that are most important to me and find that candidate.  Unfortunately silence is not rewarded in this democracy.   The right kind of change we need will only happen if everyone is involved.  When Reagan was president I use to bitch constantly until my mother asked me if I voted and I said no.  Her response to that was " if you didn't vote , you don't have the right to bitch about anything ".   

[ALady]

You can get precious about agreeing with every little issue in local elections. Not so much with the general.

[beardedwonder]

I had no idea America, my town and my family had so many assholes in it. I see Trump stickers all over. And this is Cape Cod MA. FUCKIN SCARY!

[parkervb]

Trump quote during a previous rally - "There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell—  I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won't be so much 'cause the courts agree with us too."

Well, yesterday, at a Trump rally, some dumb-ass, old, racist, did just that. He "sucker-punched" a black man being escorted out of the building by the cops (who ignored this crime and promptly surrounded the punched black man and put the cuffs on him to haul him off to jail). When asked about the incident, the idiot who committed the crime said, "Next time, we might have to kill him". I wonder if the piece of garbage known as "The Donald" will honor his pledge to his loyal follower and pay his lawyers and his court costs/fines. I mean, "a deal is a deal", right?!?

http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/15177-trump-supporter-who-punched-protester-next-time-we-might-have-to-kill-him

last night this came up, specifically about his encouragement of this behavior and he pivots to talking about supporting our police! What a maneuver.

[walterfredo]

and now Ben Carson endorses Trump.  Amazing.

[johnnYYac]

Don't feel you can't post here, Mr. White.  The Forum should allow for a thread dedicated to politics, though I was mostly looking to post my clever MMJ meme (see first post).

If anyone feels that political discourse does not belong on this Forum, than don't visit this thread.

Donald J. Trump is a dangerous, bigoted, selfish, and dishonest fool.  Anyone who wants to defend and support him is an even bigger fool. 

[sillyboob]

Don't feel you can't post here, Mr. White.  The Forum should allow for a thread dedicated to politics, though I was mostly looking to post my clever MMJ meme (see first post).

If anyone feels that political discourse does not belong on this Forum, than don't visit this thread.

Hear here!!  Or is that Here hear!!

[walterfredo]

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-fires-back-hillary/

Hillary Clinton tried to pull a fast one on Bernie Sanders' healthcare proposal at a rally in Saint Louis this afternoon. She failed miserably.

While speaking to supporters, Clinton joked that she sometimes has "a little chuckle to [her]self" when her opponent speaks about the necessity of providing universal, single-payer healthcare to every American.

"Where was he when I was trying to get health care in '93 and '94?" Clinton rhetorically asked.

Mike Casca, Sanders' emergency response director, shut her down with one epic tweet:

literally standing right behind her

[parkervb]

[johnnYYac]

A GIF so nice, we post it twice!

Mr. White, I've been turned on to Bernie for over a decade, myself.  I'm a NH native, for one.  Also, Bernie was on Thom Hartmann's SiriusXM program almost every Friday for "Brunch with Bernie", taking calls from listeners and sharing his thoughts on what was going on in politics and policy.  This only ended late last year, due to the campaign.

Trump calls Bernie a communist, showing once again Trump's ignorance and/or propensity to lie.  Even those lazy folks on the right, and in Hillary's camp, who call him a "socialist", are being dishonest.  Bernie calls himself a "democratic socialist", but labels are unimportant.

It all boils down to this.  We all should have access to a basic education, regardless of wealth.  We should all have access to health care, regardless of wealth.  We should all have access to roads and bridges that are safe.  We should all have access to emergency services, such as police and fire departments, regardless of wealth.  We should all be protected, as citizens of this country, from foreign invasion or attack.  We should have insurance programs to protect and support us when we lose a job, become disabled, and when we retire.

So, we have public education.  We should have universal health care.  We have publicly funded roads and bridges.  We have public police and fire departments.  We have a military.  We have unemployment insurance, disability insurance, and social security.

These are things most human people agree about.  Rich or poor, we all benefit from not only having access to these services and protections, but making them available to all of our fellow citizens, as well. 

So, we collect taxes to cover the cost of these things.  We allow all citizens access to these services, these systems and protections.  We ask that all individuals and businesses contribute to the cost via taxes that are based on ability to pay.  If a person is successful in business, they must recognize the role others played in their success, as well as the support of infrastructure systems.  If someone loses their wealth, due to poor investments, being laid off or fired, getting sick or injured, etc. we help them with a social safety net until they can recover.

I haven't worked since September 2014, due to a nearly fatal heart surgery fuck up.  Two more life-saving surgeries (and a minor procedure next week) haven't helped.  Thank goodness for insurance, but why should someone without insurance either fail to get the care I got or become bankrupt in the process?  My brother-in-law has lived his life in a wheelchair.  Should we not help him?  My brother got laid off.  Should he not get unemployment insurance?  Many of us lost a good chunk of our retirement savings thanks to Wall Street greed and fraud (and deregulation) in the mid-2000s.  Should we not have Social Security?

I don't understand why anyone would disagree with this.  We can differ in our views on trade, abortion, immigration, foreign policy, etc. But does anyone really believe that we should refuse to care for someone who is poor?  Are we so certain that we, ourselves, will never become poor?

Bernie was asked, at a recent televised town hall on Fox, where does the right to health care come from.

Bernie's response... "being a  human being."

BERNIE 2016!

[johnnYYac]

A great article, not as much about Bernie as about the political reality of our country in a global context.

http://observer.com/2016/04/heres-the-thing-so-many-americans-cant-grasp-about-bernie-sanders/#.VyUUzxgwDh4.facebook

[johnnYYac]

Mr. White, don't know if you or any other Louisvillians made it to Waterfront Park last night, but Bernie's rally speech was quite spectacular.  In fact, I'm encouraging anyone, regardless of who you support, to watch it in its almost-one-hour-long entirety.  I don't know how it isn't, on some level, inspiring to anyone who cares about more than just themselves and wants what is best for our country.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?409018-1/bernie-sanders-addresses-supporters-louisville-kentucky