The Most Capable Band

[Spoon]

It's funny that you mentioned me, spoon, because I was starting to worry that Jim, if it's really him, hates me too, now. :(

I still like you O!  

On lots of topics I've often kept my big mouth shut because you've already said what I was thinking better than I could have.        

But now that we're on the shit list, how about you and me think about starting up that rival band?  We'll hollar our shit talkin' into a crapped out tape recorder and to maintain our indie cred we'll destroy every one of our records as it comes off the line. Oh the pathos!

Listen, I think it's a little crazy to be worried about the specter of Jim - reading venom and vitriol into our rather innoculous comments.  We've seen a ton of shows, wear grooves in their records and check in with this site constantly - is that because we're "critics and naysayers" to borrow John's expression.  NO!  We're here because we're fans and we're interested in talking about the band and the music.  

This kind of electronic medium is a tough one.  You lose many of the markers of your personality - tone of voice, facial expressions - but should I consider a topic taboo just because I might be misunderstood?  That's dumb.  I refuse to take any of this that seriously.  

I'll let Jim judge my support at the shows - by how hard I'm stomping my feet and banging my head and if that's not good enough then to hell with everybody, including Jim.  

hmm...The Specter of Jim...good name for a rival band... ;D

[SMc55]

 We're here because we're fans and we're interested in talking about the band and the music.  

Exactly! We should be able to say what we want without being called an asshole. Unless you disagree with me, if course, in which case you are an asshole  ;)

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

We've seen a ton of shows, wear grooves in their records and check in with this site constantly - is that because we're "critics and naysayers" to borrow John's expression.  NO!  We're here because we're fans and we're interested in talking about the band and the music.

Does this give you license to say stupid shit like "kopilot is hiring"?!

If you're joking, you might want to insert some smileys or something...otherwise, to borrow your expression, this medium doesn't lend itself to alleged sarcasm or whatever the fuck you think you're thinking, which we can't read your mind, so make your intentions clearer, please?  

I said "naysayers" because frankly, unless your joking, you fit that description.  Constructive critcism is good, welcomed, and encouraged.  Firing off stupid shit like "kopilot is hiring" and "tommy slept with my girlfriend" aren't.  Do you know people have feelings?  If you love the band so much, stop reading into their personal lives and focus on the music.

After all of the long debates, we've talked about EVERYTHING under the sun, but I don't recall any threads that sounded so fucking personal.  So excuse me for taking it personally when you talk shit about people you don't know.  There, I said it.  If you knew these guys at all, you wouldn't talk shit like that.  

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

And that my friends is all I'm saying on this topic.  Sorry to be so pissed, but I've heard this shit before, and it pains me to hear it again.

[Coltrane]

thank you so much for always being the voice of reason, john. whenever things like this pop-up, i can always count on johnconaway to put a halt on some of the out of hand discussion we have.


ALL HAIL JOHNCONAWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SMc55]

I've read this thread through a couple of times now and I really can't see what spoon has said that is so offensive. He brought up some interesting questions than offered his own slant on the answers. It's obvious that not everyone is going to agree with him but it all this vitriol really necessary?

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

like I said, making personal comments on the guys just isn't cool.  "kopilot is hiring" and "tommy slept with my GF" are over the line, IMHO.  

I just hear a total lack of respect in those comments, and like I said, if he'd insert "sarcasm on" or smileys, then we'd know he's joking...otherwise, it smacks of personal attacks on the guys.  "personal" as in inappropriate.

tell me you think their music sucks, or their clothes are great, or the show that was cancelled really bites...not some made up tripe about the personal lives of the guys.  this isn't national enquirer here, i'm not a freakin inquiring mind.  the guys don't deserve that.

[wordawg]

I can sniff the wolves gathering in packs( again? ).

Freedom of speach, comrades.  
You/we don't have to agree, and it doesn't have to get personal or abusive.

I don't understand a lot of what is being written on this thread, I mean wtf is Kopilot? (I'm not that interested, actually)
I really don't care if the band sleep with each other, their mothers or next doors cat, I'm here for the music and the crack. Any opinions expressed are just that - opinions.  Don't mean there right or wrong.
If we could all just rearrange our undergarments, we can proceed.

I like the photos in the middle of the thread.

Word.

[EC]

I'm here for the music and the crack

Damnit!  Is someone dealing?  Why didn't anyone tell me?!

(Also, greggy, I'm very much enjoying your "word"s.)

[CC]

Damnit!  Is someone dealing?  Why didn't anyone tell me?!

ah, maybe that's why he's geordie in wonderland ;)

icecream anyone?

[SMc55]

Before he gets arrested, I should explain that "crack" is an old Northern English word for good company and conversation. The Irish spell it "craic" I think.  

The crack on this forum is usually top quality :)

[CC]

Before he gets arrested, I should explain that "crack" is an old Northern English word for good company and conversation. The Irish spell it "craic" I think.  

The crack on this forum is usually top quality :)

interesting. didn't know that.
i'll call off the swat team.

let's crack

[marktwain]

My wife and I will never forget the morning her Irish roommate stumbled in talking about the "good craic" she'd had the night before. ;)

[SMc55]

My wife and I will never forget the morning her Irish roommate stumbled in talking about the "good craic" she'd had the night before. ;)

LOL! That's exactly what an Irish or Norther English person would say, but I can see it must sound strange to you.

Glad you called off the SWAT team, CC, now I can get my pipe out again  ;)

[EC]

The lady who rented my flat room to me in Edinburgh used to say her Mum was a real cracker.  Same thing?

[lfish]

Freedom of speach, comrades.  
You/we don't have to agree, and it doesn't have to get personal or abusive. I don't understand a lot of what is being written on this thread, I mean wtf is Kopilot? (I'm not that interested, actually)
I really don't care if the band sleep with each other, their mothers or next doors cat, I'm here for the music and the crack. Any opinions expressed are just that - opinions.  Don't mean there right or wrong.
If we could all just rearrange our undergarments, we can proceed.

Exactly what I'm thinking right now.

I've read with great interest the things spoon wrote down.  There were some interesting reactions posted, but I think we are now blowing this thing up here.  

We're all in it for the music, fans and band together (or still that's what I believe in). But, neither the band, nor the fans are sacred.  We're all individuals with own opinions and own criticism.

I consider the jacket as one of the finest and most hardworking groups in the universe ( allthough it's maybe time for a new cd or a new tour  ;)  ), but that doesn't mean I agree all the way with the things they do or don't do (although I have to say, I agree with 99% of the things they do  :)  ).  And I have the possibility to mention this here on this site, just as the other posters or the band has the possibility to react or to correct my criticism.

Some people may have more background information then others, some of this information can be wrong or correct (we can discuss about that), but regardless what people express, we have to try not to attack people. If we do so we're turning this forum into a definitely wrong-place-to spent-some-time.

PS 99% of the things we post here is very well meant.  

[SMc55]

Well said!

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

I respectfully disagree with that assumption.  The band's private lives are none of our business, AND posting false, misleading, or just downright bullshit, hurtful lies about them is out of bounds.  They have feelings too, and just out of plain human respect we should honor their feelings.

THAT is the crux of the issue for me, and I won't tolerate it.

I'm quite sure Spoon or anyone else wouldn't tolerate that either, so adhere to the Golden Rule please?

[lfish]

I don't quite see what I learned here in this thread on the privates lives of the members.  And frankly I don't want to know anything about it, except that they're fine, healthy and enjoying themselves.

John, I don't get the clue here.  Maybe you have some more background information, and according to this information, maybe you can tell that some people wrote offensive things, but I can't seem to tell.


 

Don't turn on to the dark side of the Force John.

[lfish]

('cause this is a wrotten medium to communicate)

I forgot to put a smiley behind my last sentence