Started by consigliare, Oct 27, 2021, 12:58 PM
Quote from: Bulldog on Oct 28, 2021, 07:08 PMSo as someone going to both Playing in the Sand and OBH, I can say I firmly believe its CID calling the shots or so it would seem from the fact that the exact same policy is in place.Policies are different for those events. Grabbed this from website. I honestly think it's the bands. Look at the variations- With this in mind, all of the following four requirements will apply to all Playing in the Sand 2022 guests:• Proof of COVID-19 vaccination before departure;• Negative COVID-19 PCR test no more than 96 hours prior to check in; • Antigen test administered at check in; AND• Additional antigen test for departure.With this in mind, the following requirements will apply to all Crash My Playa 2022 guests:• Negative COVID-19 PCR test no more than 96 hours prior to check in; • Antigen test for departureWith this in mind, the following three requirements will apply to One Big Holiday 2022 guests:• Proof of COVID-19 vaccination before departure;• Negative COVID-19 PCR test no more than 96 hours prior to check-in; AND • Antigen test for departure back to the USA
Quote from: Robert Cannon on Oct 28, 2021, 08:06 PMAll right everyone.. we all should to be kind and respectful to one another. Especially in these times of such complete division. One thing I've learned in these last 18 months is patience and love. I have a friend with very similar views to the original poster. At first, I could not understand how someone I respected could believe in such crapola. However, after thinking about it for a while, I realized that are differences did not define our friendship. We can now talk about covid and the vaccine to better understand where each of us is coming from. I hope one day he'll be able to understand what I'm trying to show him. But if not, I'll still love him just the same.I'm sure that our boys in My Morning Jacket, Jim, Bo, Patrick, Tom, and Carl support and advocate everyone getting the vaccine that is able. However, I'm even more positive that they would want us to focus on the things that bind us together, are commonalities, and our friendship, and would want us to keep our lines of communication open in order to respectfully discuss our differences.I apologize for the love and hippie admonitions but I just wanted to get that off of my chest because I've met so many wonderful people through these message boards and through our common fandom of My Morning Jacket.
Quote from: Robert Cannon on Oct 28, 2021, 09:34 PMTotally get it but it's a net zero proposition to respond to vitriol w vitriol. WWJD - What Would Jim Do I just wanted to share my new perspective that I'm trying to communicate with others, I line or not,f the same way I would if it was face to face w my friends and family. Tact, education and respect is one way our society can start to heal.
Quote from: consigliare on Oct 29, 2021, 01:58 AMAll,I have both scientific and legal backgrounds, which resultingly, cause me to question everything. This is simply how I have been trained.To me, unless there is a dire medical emergency, there is absolutely no logical basis for most to take any medicament that remains experimental and/or that was rushed to market and/or rushed through the authorization process - especially when there are other treatment options, and even more so when the survivability rate is so high for most groups. Are there outliers? Sure. Should some people choose to take such medicaments based on their group and risk/benefit? Sure. Should some be able to take such medicaments to make themselves feel better if they so choose? After full disclosure and analysis of the costs/benefits, sure. However, when such medicaments remain experimental, the survivability rates so high, and when there are other available treatments, my view is that no person should be mandated or coerced to take such medicament - especially when there is no legal recourse. To me, such coercion includes the fear of a loss of employ or livelihood, the fear of an inability to travel, the fear of a loss of services, the fear of loss of access to public venues, etc. I would certainly not do this or support this being done to any one of you - including those that have put shade on me - and I would, likewise, hope you would not do, or support, the same being done to me.As you know, people are losing their jobs due to the vaccine mandates and what I view as fear mongering, people are being denied access, etc. - again, all because they will not be coerced into taking an experimental vaccine for a virus having a very high survivability rate. Additionally, please appreciate that there is also natural immunity, which is stronger and far longer lasting than any immunity resulting from the shots. There is also available testing. Yet, for some reason these are not being considered or deemed acceptable in the stead of experimental vaccines. Again, my view is that dictatorial mandates in the form of executive orders are just that - dictatorial. These are not bills that were brought up, debated, passed by both houses of Congress and then signed into law. They are also not regulations promulgated by an agency resulting from a proper public note and comment period - I do not practice regulatory law, so please accept my apologies for any errors or mis-statements. Last I checked, our form of government is (or is supposed to be) a Constitutional Republic, not a dictatorship.So, to me, a person that is both scientifically and legally trained, everything that has occurred in the last year or so has been wholly contrary to every principle - legal, scientific, ethical and moral - that I have been taught and believe in. Additionally, when I look to history I cannot help but see that we are being purposefully divided into two groups, with one group being led to believe it is justfiable to deny the other some of their most basic and fundamental human rights - all for a virus having a very high survivablity rate. Sure, it is not racism, but it certainly is discrimination that denies others of their most basic human rights. Hence, I stand by my analogies. Additionally, if Israel, Australia, Canada, and the UK are any indicators of what's to come to our shores, I only see further division and loss of human rights in the US.Some have mentioned choice - does a govermental mandate that says if you do not take an experimental vaccine else you will lose your job, you will not be able to travel, you will not be able to access a public facility, or you will lose your livelihood, really give a person much choice at all? Is there really a choice when one has to choose between between a threat of bodily harm or loss of one's livelihood? Or, is such a false choice that is against a person's inherent and inalienable rights? I tend to believe that such is against one's inherent and inalienable rights.So, please accept my apology if I blithely communicated that the basic scientific, legal, ethical and moral principles and beliefs I possessed and understood were basic fundamental principles and beliefs universally accepted and held by most others in the US and other Western countries.To those throwing shade, I hope you have fun. To those that seemed to be supportive - thanks.Game off, Wayne.
Quote from: MOWJO8185 on Oct 29, 2021, 09:40 AMIf he's not getting a refund that's messed up but that's where my sympathy ends. Making this event vaccine mandatory is the right thing to do at this juncture, especially with it involving international travel.I do sincerely hope these vaccine mandates aren't here to stay because that will mean we have gotten this all more under control. I'm not really interested in permanently punishing the unvaccinated - just interested in covid getting better.
Quote from: RobRoy286 on Oct 29, 2021, 01:38 AMQuote from: Robert Cannon on Oct 28, 2021, 09:34 PMTotally get it but it's a net zero proposition to respond to vitriol w vitriol. WWJD - What Would Jim Do I just wanted to share my new perspective that I'm trying to communicate with others, I line or not,f the same way I would if it was face to face w my friends and family. Tact, education and respect is one way our society can start to heal. You're right. I get worked up because it's a matter of public health and doing your part in society. Make your choice, but accept the consequences. I'm not gonna get worked up over someone not getting vaccinated. But when they make that choice and then get mad that they can't go wherever they want (which btw, in my experience, NOT ONE TIME have I been denied entry or even asked to prove my vaccination) and think that they're being oppressed just as much as anyone in American history? That is fucked. Being black isn't a choice, nor is it a fucking virus, so comparing Covid protocols to the long history of racism in this country is just obtuse. The dude is mad because he can't go to a concert anymore, and he equated it with the story of African Americans. I'm okay with him fucking off.