I think they should have left "Off the Record"

[JimJames#34]

I love Off The Record.  My second favorite "Z" song after Dondante. ;D

[Half]

thats funny.  the production is what i love about this album over it still moves.  i LOVE it still moves but i felt like it sounded like, well, it was recorded out at the farm on regular equipment.  it just sounded like another locally created album.  i thought that was wierd for a major label debut.  sure, on a small label i can see just using your own equipment and stuff....but fucks sake, if ive got the big $ behind me i want a producer and the best studio i can find.

i loved the quality of the production on ISM because of the "regular" feel to it.  its kinda stripped down and right in front of you.  it sounds like they did it in my basement.  not that Z isn't great in its own right- its just that i wonder what it would sound like if it was produced in the same way ISM was.  Z kinda has a spacy quality to it, like they recorded it on a moonwalk.

[corey]

See... that's the thing about ISM. While it is beautiful in some parts, I'd love to hear a re-recorded version of "Dancefloors".
As Eisey put it, it sounds like it was recorded while someone is trying to sleep in the next room. It could have been rocked out some more.
The same could be said for "mahgeetah". The ending of that album version is lacking in the rock section. While it has it's place, I prefer to have my face melted off by a live version any day.

[EC]

http://collegetower.chattablogs.com/archives/024211.html
Tom talks a bit about recording the records. :)

[ycartrob]

I hope this makes sense:

U2 is on of my favorite bands; I am glad that Boy doesn't sound like The Joshua Tree doesn't sound like Achtung Baby...

I like Z, which doesn't sound like ISM which doesn't sound like At Dawn.

I am happy with my wife, my dogs, my job and my penis size. I think I'll have sloppy joe's tonight.

Life is good.  ;D and I'll be seeing the Jacket in 28 hours.

God Bless America and God Bless rock and roll.  [smiley=guitar.gif]

[steelyB]

I'm really loving 'anytime' and 'lay low' right now, but having listened to this album so many times that every week it's a different set of songs. We were listening to Z in the hospital when my wife delivered our irst baby this past weekend - that's how much we love it! [smiley=bier.gif]

[whothrewthecake]

I'm really loving 'anytime' and 'lay low' right now, but having listened to this album so many times that every week it's a different set of songs. We were listening to Z in the hospital when my wife delivered our irst baby this past weekend - that's how much we love it! [smiley=bier.gif]

YES! (and congrats, too!)  [smiley=rock.gif]

[sweatboard]

I hope this makes sense:

U2 is on of my favorite bands; I am glad that Boy doesn't sound like The Joshua Tree doesn't sound like Achtung Baby...

I like Z, which doesn't sound like ISM which doesn't sound like At Dawn.

I am happy with my wife, my dogs, my job and my penis size. I think I'll have sloppy joe's tonight.

Life is good.  ;D and I'll be seeing the Jacket in 28 hours.

God Bless America and God Bless rock and roll.  [smiley=guitar.gif]

Sure, but is your wife happy with your penis size?  :-*  I kid I kid.  I know I'm happy with your penis size.  You could just write "BIG PENIS" on the sign this time. ;D  I'm really excited for you and your penis I wish I could join you guys tomorrow night.  :'(

[ycartrob]

we'll all be thinking about you... ;)

[Billo]

Off the Record is better served live (Louisville 06/30) is good, as is It Beats For You (Live Bonnarro 2004).  Come to think of it It beats for You is in my opinion the weakest song on the Bonnaroo set list.  But is it the weakest song on Z?  No! Into the Woods, What a wonderful Man and Wordless Chorus are worse.  
Since Jan 2004 I purchased seven copies of It Still Moves for friends because I believed in that record and what MMJ was doing.  Sadly I will not be purchasing Z other than the copy I presently own.    

[realdeal]

I hear your voice & respect you opinion but strongly disagree.

I love Off the Record & like the bands new direction.

Have you heard the version from the XFM session? Maybe you might like that better?
http://www.xfm.co.uk/article.asp?id=131850

i do.




salute 'off the record' acoustic.

[jasperjay]

Off the record is great after the 3 minute mark...
Which ironically got cut on the radio friendly version.

But I hate that Penny arcade lyric alot.....

[Half]

Off the record is great after the 3 minute mark...
Which ironically got cut on the radio friendly version.

But I hate that Penny arcade lyric alot.....

i agree.  theres a point in the song where it breaks into darker territory and escapes from the grips of that upbeat/reggae vibe.  i like the ending but i would've liked to have heard more natural drums at the end- not the synth percussion.  off the record in one of my least favorite tracks on the album.  i think its dwarfed by 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, & 10

[ycartrob]

Why don't you guys make your own music the way YOU want to hear it played, instead of complaining how the Jacket could have done things better? Then, I can get off on your perfect, masterful, flawless, genius wonder songs!

I can't wait! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[Half]

Why don't you guys make your own music the way YOU want to hear it played, instead of complaining how the Jacket could have done things better? Then, I can get off on your perfect, masterful, flawless, genius wonder songs!

I can't wait! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

i don't think anyone is complaining, blinky

i'm a better singer than Jim James

[ycartrob]

if i hear that song one more time...........that beginning riff is really starting to iritate my ears.

i can't help but wonder if the album would've been better if it was recorded in the same raw style as It Still Moves

I hate that Penny arcade lyric alot.....

i would've liked to have heard more natural drums at the end- not the synth percussion.  off the record in one of my least favorite tracks on the album.  

COMPLAIN: to voice discontent.

DISCONTENT: dissatisfaction.

My 11-year old nephew called his buddy blinky last week after the soccer game. We laughed. He scored 2 goals (1 with his left foot) Later, we got grape sno-cones and spit ice through straws. I love my nephew!

[Half]

[ycartrob]

Nice marmot.

[havibulin]

I think the band had a pretty good idea that 'Off The Record' didn't quite fit in with the rest of the songs on this album. For instance...they did name it 'Off The Record.'

Get it??

regardless...i really like the song, and could care less how they decide to record each album. I imagine it could get pretty damn boring doing the same record over and over again. people will complain next time if their next one sounds 'underproduced'.
it's what they want you to hear...take it as it is and enjoy it.

[loper]

Just as I thought :(

Dare criticise Z or anything about Z and you yourself will be criticised.

Some members of this forum would flourish in a police state  :-*

Jim and the guys generally produce music that stretches musical boundaries, Off The Record and What A Wonderful Man don't do that. In fact they sound repetitious and  could be the product of any number of bland bands.

DONDANTE is unique. It would be impossible for any other 'beat combo' to have created this work of genius and I'm sure that even the great Carlos Santana would be envious of  the great tear up which is LAY LOW.

It astonishes me that in their defence of Z (for zealots?) 'they' argue that progress is essential and they can't keep making albums to the same old formula. Are they seriously saying that TF, AD and ISM are all the same ??? ??? ???