Ted Nugent on 'The Summer of Drugs' ???

[.Walt]

http://www.bookofjoe.com/2007/07/ted-nugent-on-t.html

[ManNamedTruth]

Ted Nugent is a jerk.

[tomEisenbraun]

Can I say "Go Ted"?

I appreciate the man for his all or nothing attitude, and the fact that he knows where he stands and he doesn't give a shit who disagrees. He's got as much right to hate 1967 as everyone who loves it does. He has a point, look at how many people who were indulging in their addictions wound up losing their lives to them. We lost Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, and countless others to drugs or a death involving them somehow. Hell, Bonham died of alcohol poisoning, which is a different excess altogether, but nonetheless, a deadly one. Red wine was half of what did Hendrix in.

Is the Nuge extreme in his opinion of that event? Certainly, but be either hot or cold, just as long as you aren't lukewarm, right? Does his opinion matter? He's not the be-all end-all on the subject, but he does give insight to the hurt that "peace, love, and happiness" caused in its wake. It might've been fun, maybe, but it wasn't a completely harmless movement, no.

I'm cool with the Nuge for this one. I don't agree with a lot of his extreme conservatism, but I'm okay with him for standing as strongly as he does against substance abuse, or really just substances in general.

[BH]

Tom?  It took "The Nuge" to bring you out from hiding?   :)

(Hope things are well) ;)

[jeffro79]

I actually met the Nuge once. Regardless of his political views he is absolutely the biggest prick on the face of the earth.

[ManNamedTruth]

Can I say "Go Ted"?

I appreciate the man for his all or nothing attitude, and the fact that he knows where he stands and he doesn't give a shit who disagrees. He's got as much right to hate 1967 as everyone who loves it does. He has a point, look at how many people who were indulging in their addictions wound up losing their lives to them. We lost Hendrix, Joplin, Morrison, and countless others to drugs or a death involving them somehow. Hell, Bonham died of alcohol poisoning, which is a different excess altogether, but nonetheless, a deadly one. Red wine was half of what did Hendrix in.

Is the Nuge extreme in his opinion of that event? Certainly, but be either hot or cold, just as long as you aren't lukewarm, right? Does his opinion matter? He's not the be-all end-all on the subject, but he does give insight to the hurt that "peace, love, and happiness" caused in its wake. It might've been fun, maybe, but it wasn't a completely harmless movement, no.

I'm cool with the Nuge for this one. I don't agree with a lot of his extreme conservatism, but I'm okay with him for standing as strongly as he does against substance abuse, or really just substances in general.

I think it's a shame that some people indulged a little too much. But that shouldn't impact how you feel aoubt that generation. Remember the mark they made by their beautiful music.
Ted is the kind of person that i don't think disitinguishes stuff like pot from heavier drugs. Not all substances are bad.

[BH]

I actually met the Nuge once. Regardless of his political views he is absolutely the biggest prick on the face of the earth.

Yeah, isn't funny how Gene Simmons and Ted Nugent are the two rock stars that claim they have never done drugs or drank alcohol (at least in Gene's case) yet they are both assholes?

Who needs drugs when you believe in your head that you are God's greatest gift to mankind!

[ratsprayer]

if ted has a rock 'n roll band, and it's a free-for-all, shouldn't one be allowed to do anything one pleases??

[EC]

tom, i agree with you that ted nugent is allowed to have his opinion, but unfortunately it holds no weight because it's filled with anger and uninformed generalizations.  to categorize all hippies as drug-users is retarded.  so is making a sweeping generalization that drug and alcohol use is de facto abuse.  a lot of people were experimenting.  a lot of people still experiment.  a lot of people will take acid as an interesting night to experience.  a lot of people experiment with drugs because they're interested in seeing what happens.  and yeah, a LOT of people can't handle them, or use them to disengage from life, but that's not everyone.  and i would say that most of the social activists who truly made changes back then were not hippies who were fucked beyond control on drugs.  he also is seeming to say that the sentiment of the times (ie love and peace) necessarily go hand in hand with drug use - also retarded.  i am using retarded here because i actually think ted nugent's brain is retarded, by his own choice of remaining close-minded, not because i'm comparing him with individuals who actually have non-self-perpetuated mental disabilities.

that's awesome that ted nugent has decided not to use drugs, but he seems like he's using it as some kind of medal of martyrdom, and i think that's fucking ridiculous.  does he drink coffee?  smoke? eat white sugar?  take tylenol?  

the other thing that bugs me is people who talk about what drugs do to you WHEN THEY'VE NEVER DONE THEM.  or make moral judgements on people who experiment or even have substance addictions.  as if you know what it's like to be addicted to something, ted, fuck right off and get off your high horse.

oh, sorry.  i said high.  the nuge wouldn't approve.

[EC]

i guess my post has a bit of anger in there, too.
well, i'm ok with that.  this is a message board and not a national publication. :)

[.Walt]

here's an interview with ted nugent done by a Minneapolis radio station about the article he wrote. its really good. first couple minutes are slow.

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/MINNEAPOLIS-MN/KFAN-AM/BAR071107_nugent.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=MINNEAPOLIS-MN&NG_FORMAT=sports&SITE_ID=612&STATION_ID=KFAN-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=KFAN_AM_1130&PCAST_CAT=Sports_Radio&PCAST_TITLE=Dan_Barreiro_-_KFAN_AM_1130

[ManNamedTruth]

tom, i agree with you that ted nugent is allowed to have his opinion, but unfortunately it holds no weight because it's filled with anger and uninformed generalizations.  to categorize all hippies as drug-users is retarded.  so is making a sweeping generalization that drug and alcohol use is de facto abuse.  a lot of people were experimenting.  a lot of people still experiment.  a lot of people will take acid as an interesting night to experience.  a lot of people experiment with drugs because they're interested in seeing what happens.  and yeah, a LOT of people can't handle them, or use them to disengage from life, but that's not everyone.  and i would say that most of the social activists who truly made changes back then were not hippies who were fucked beyond control on drugs.  he also is seeming to say that the sentiment of the times (ie love and peace) necessarily go hand in hand with drug use - also retarded.  i am using retarded here because i actually think ted nugent's brain is retarded, by his own choice of remaining close-minded, not because i'm comparing him with individuals who actually have non-self-perpetuated mental disabilities.

that's awesome that ted nugent has decided not to use drugs, but he seems like he's using it as some kind of medal of martyrdom, and i think that's fucking ridiculous.  does he drink coffee?  smoke? eat white sugar?  take tylenol?  

the other thing that bugs me is people who talk about what drugs do to you WHEN THEY'VE NEVER DONE THEM.  or make moral judgements on people who experiment or even have substance addictions.  as if you know what it's like to be addicted to something, ted, fuck right off and get off your high horse.

oh, sorry.  i said high.  the nuge wouldn't approve.

Thank you meg! I feel the same way. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[tomEisenbraun]

I respect what you've got to say, Meg, but I do disagree with being able to make judgments about how drugs affect a person without trying them. I've been to Bonnaroo twice, have seen one of my best friends go from being a completely coherent person to someone who couldn't string two related sentences together after smoking weed laced with cocaine. I've gone through high school with all the stereotypical stoners, seen my 40 year old uncle's life seriously affected by his trouble with weed for the previous 25 years. I've seen enough to make me never want to try it. And I understand that it completely changes the way you think. The thing that weirds me out is that for some people it's a positive thing, and I don't mean to sound completely us-and-them, but its the loophole in the whole "drugs are bad" deal that gnaws at me. Some people claim they think better, write music better, operate better under the influence of drugs. I've heard everything from my uncle's description of the way his interaction with chronic back pain changes under its influence to the way my friends described color crawling across the walls while high. So you know, I don't know how it would affect me personally were I to try it, but at the same time, I know that if it's something I can't control while I'm under it, I don't want to mess around with it. Will I try it? I don't know, time will tell, but right now, I'm choosing to stay away from it.

[ManNamedTruth]

, seen my 40 year old uncle's life seriously affected by his trouble with weed for the previous 25 years.

Weed isn't an addictive drug. You can't really be troubled by it.  If he's had legal issues with it, than thats unfortunate. But blame the ridiculous laws, don't blame him for wanting to get high.

[EC]

I respect what you've got to say, Meg, but I do disagree with being able to make judgments about how drugs affect a person without trying them. I've been to Bonnaroo twice, have seen one of my best friends go from being a completely coherent person to someone who couldn't string two related sentences together after smoking weed laced with cocaine. I've gone through high school with all the stereotypical stoners, seen my 40 year old uncle's life seriously affected by his trouble with weed for the previous 25 years. I've seen enough to make me never want to try it. And I understand that it completely changes the way you think. The thing that weirds me out is that for some people it's a positive thing, and I don't mean to sound completely us-and-them, but its the loophole in the whole "drugs are bad" deal that gnaws at me. Some people claim they think better, write music better, operate better under the influence of drugs. I've heard everything from my uncle's description of the way his interaction with chronic back pain changes under its influence to the way my friends described color crawling across the walls while high. So you know, I don't know how it would affect me personally were I to try it, but at the same time, I know that if it's something I can't control while I'm under it, I don't want to mess around with it. Will I try it? I don't know, time will tell, but right now, I'm choosing to stay away from it.

i respect what you're saying, too, tom, but i still have some trouble with it.  like i said, a lot of people have problems with drugs and can't handle them or abuse them.  pot is apparently not a physically-addictive substance, but it's definitely habit-forming for some, which, as far as i'm concerned, is the same as an addiction.  (like, try cutting sugar out of your diet and see how that affects you.)  i don't see a difference between booze and drugs (drugs of all kinds - caffeine, cocaine, marijuana, tylenol, etc.)  and i'm not trying to say, either, that a drug like heroin is a good idea to mess around with.  i'm not crazy about the serious drugs, and i really hate hanging out with people who are on them.  i know a lot of people with terrible drug problems, and i know a lot of people who use them recreationally.  all i'm saying is that if you see a guy who's on a trip at bonnaroo, if you're not on the trip, too, it can look weird and scary.  meanwhile, he might be totally fine (he might also not be totally fine) and really enjoying the dragon that's about to take him to jupiter.  :)

here's an interesting website http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/

[ycartrob]

you know, alcohol is a drug...

so, would the summer of love been the summer of love if it were drug free? Could a generation pull off a summer of love without drugs? I would have to say absolutely not. So, saying the summer of drugs is spot on. I, for one, used to use a lot, and I must say, you got to be some sort of an idiot to not have a good time when you're wasted (at least initially). Some can handle it, most grow out of it, and then others learn to find the "magic" without drugs. That's where my head is at; that's what I am looking for.
I see both sides of this argument. However, The summer of love was a pose, IMO. A drug induced fuck you to the man (in a loving way. I mean, most hippie types hate the same people who hate them). Plus, if you're a guy in 67 and you know you're gonna get a lot of women if you plug into the "love" thing"....well, I'm just saying.

There's a reason the summer of love didn't last and there's a reason that the generation that brought us the 60's has brought us the age of consumerism, commercialism, individualism b/c that's what it was all about in the first place.

[ratsprayer]

[EC]

you know, alcohol is a drug...

so, would the summer of love been the summer of love if it were drug free? Could a generation pull off a summer of love without drugs? I would have to say absolutely not. So, saying the summer of drugs is spot on. I, for one, used to use a lot, and I must say, you got to be some sort of an idiot to not have a good time when you're wasted (at least initially). Some can handle it, most grow out of it, and then others learn to find the "magic" without drugs. That's where my head is at; that's what I am looking for.
I see both sides of this argument. However, The summer of love was a pose, IMO. A drug induced fuck you to the man (in a loving way. I mean, most hippie types hate the same people who hate them). Plus, if you're a guy in 67 and you know you're gonna get a lot of women if you plug into the "love" thing"....well, I'm just saying.

There's a reason the summer of love didn't last and there's a reason that the generation that brought us the 60's has brought us the age of consumerism, commercialism, individualism b/c that's what it was all about in the first place.

how about calling it the summer of excess?
this is very interesting, tracy.  

[ycartrob]

I declare this summer:

The Summer of Tom

[supernova9]

tom, i agree with you that ted nugent is allowed to have his opinion, but unfortunately it holds no weight because it's filled with anger and uninformed generalizations.  to categorize all hippies as drug-users is retarded.  so is making a sweeping generalization that drug and alcohol use is de facto abuse.  a lot of people were experimenting.  a lot of people still experiment.  a lot of people will take acid as an interesting night to experience.  a lot of people experiment with drugs because they're interested in seeing what happens.  and yeah, a LOT of people can't handle them, or use them to disengage from life, but that's not everyone.  and i would say that most of the social activists who truly made changes back then were not hippies who were fucked beyond control on drugs.  he also is seeming to say that the sentiment of the times (ie love and peace) necessarily go hand in hand with drug use - also retarded.  i am using retarded here because i actually think ted nugent's brain is retarded, by his own choice of remaining close-minded, not because i'm comparing him with individuals who actually have non-self-perpetuated mental disabilities.

that's awesome that ted nugent has decided not to use drugs, but he seems like he's using it as some kind of medal of martyrdom, and i think that's fucking ridiculous.  does he drink coffee?  smoke? eat white sugar?  take tylenol?  

the other thing that bugs me is people who talk about what drugs do to you WHEN THEY'VE NEVER DONE THEM.  or make moral judgements on people who experiment or even have substance addictions.  as if you know what it's like to be addicted to something, ted, fuck right off and get off your high horse.

oh, sorry.  i said high.  the nuge wouldn't approve.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  And another thing...

I'm absolutely sick of hearing that people who change their mind on things or are considered "flip floppers" are bad people.  If you get new information on something that could change the way you interpret the knowledge you have, why the hell is it so wrong to change your mind on what you believe?  The extremists are fucked, IMO, as the needs of the people tend to lay in the middle.  To steadfastly believe in something to the point that you deny the fact that what is considered to be "the truth" can change is just sickening to me.  It's a tool to manipulate people to think they are weak if they question the actions or beliefs of their leaders.  Fuck that!  *steps off soapbox*