first black president or first woman V.P.

[Penny Lane]

obama is a condescending douche who never votes yes or no on anything, just 'cause he is so afraid of how it will affect his opinion polls.

christ on a cupcake, you're an MMJ fan?

why, yes! yes I am! for many years, in fact! although, according to this forum, mmj should disown me as a fan. I don't seem to fit into the 'demographic'.
as usual, god forbid anyone has a different opinion. tracy sez I am a liar. ooooh. that hurts about as much as any of the other snide bullshit I have ever received as a response. as in: not at all. yes, tracy, I have read both of obama's books. and found them to be self-serving drivel, and poorly written to boot. soooo- sue me! I must be 'rich' since I am so clearly a 'right-wing' 'asshole'! right?! well played!
boy, I sure do hope that someday I can come up with a post chock fulla unenlightened, elitist, 'SPOON-FED' snob bullshit everypone can agree with!
and, indeed, Mister Anthrope, christ is the frosting. cheers!

ha ha --that's what people say about me when they inevitably find out i'm a huge ann coulter fan---actually the demographic for repubs is normally somewhere in mid income level and liberals are usually at bottom or top of the range. most of the richest congressmen (women) are democrats---probably not relevant to this discussion but interesting

[ycartrob]

tracy sez I am a liar. ooooh. that hurts about as much as any of the other snide bullshit I have ever received as a response. as in: not at all. yes, tracy, I have read both of obama's books. and found them to be self-serving drivel, and poorly written to boot. soooo- sue me! I must be 'rich' since I am so clearly a 'right-wing' 'asshole'! right?! well played!
boy, I sure do hope that someday I can come up with a post chock fulla unenlightened, elitist, 'SPOON-FED' snob bullshit everypone can agree with!

I guess Obama can't express himself as eloquently as you...

You, have a gift!

(and by gift, I mean your post is jibberish)

[ycartrob]

ha ha --that's what people say about me when they inevitably find out i'm a huge ann coulter fan

Ann Coulter? Come on. Really? Closed minded and hateful? You're a huge fan? wow
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wnPHFSdrME[/media]

and this is my favorite, another example of people just "making shit up"

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FKF4Z36hyQ[/media]

[ManNamedTruth]

ha ha --that's what people say about me when they inevitably find out i'm a huge ann coulter fanare democrats---probably not relevant to this discussion but interesting

Ann Coulter? Come on. Really? Closed minded and hateful? You're a huge fan? wow
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wnPHFSdrME[/media]

Nice Tracy. "we should all be christians". It's shocking that we have narrow minded people here.

[Penny Lane]

ha ha --that's what people say about me when they inevitably find out i'm a huge ann coulter fan

Ann Coulter? Come on. Really? Closed minded and hateful? You're a huge fan? wow
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wnPHFSdrME[/media]

that's the typical reaction i get from people who see her quotes taken out of context on the daily show or the view--people who've never read her books--she's a pundit and has a job to do---she does nothing that the left hasn't been doing for years --i don't take either side--but i like her ideas about the cold war, the mccarthy hearings--etc. her spots on cnn/fox/msnbc are great-if not her book, then try a bernard goldberg book who crossed over from the liberal side--both great reads. 'high crimes and misdemeanors' and 'treason' were both good--but her books after that were more of the same.

[Taterbug]

Any Rachel Maddow fans out there ?  Our is this Ann Coulter country over here  :).  

[ycartrob]

ha ha --that's what people say about me when they inevitably find out i'm a huge ann coulter fan

Ann Coulter? Come on. Really? Closed minded and hateful? You're a huge fan? wow
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wnPHFSdrME[/media]

that's the typical reaction i get from people who see her quotes taken out of context on the daily show or the view-

How is showing a 5 minute, unedited interview of her "taking her out of context"? And she even had a couple of chances to "save face" and she balked.

Or a clip where she disagrees with the interviewer 5 times over whether Canada sent troops to Vietnam?

Those are within the exact context of the conversations. Good grief, how can you say that was taken out of context? Open your eyes

[ycartrob]

Any Rachel Maddow fans out there ?  Our is this Ann Coulter country over here  :).  

yikes, not a fan of her either. Not a fan of any of these political "pundits", the Glen Becks Bill O'Reillys, Keith Olbemans, Rush Limbaughs, Bill Mahers etc...

all media whores; digging in to the left or right mantra, an absolute catalyst to the decisiveness of our Left or Right joke of a political system.
All arrogant, hateful and closed minded; not how I want to spend my life.

[Taterbug]

Any Rachel Maddow fans out there ?  Our is this Ann Coulter country over here  :).  

yikes, not a fan of her either. Not a fan of any of these political "pundits", the Glen Becks Bill O'Reillys, Keith Olbemans, Rush Limbaughs, Bill Mahers etc...

all media whores; digging in to the left or right mantra, an absolute catalyst to the decisiveness of our Left or Right joke of a political system.
All arrogant, hateful and closed minded; not how I want to spend my life.

You mean your not going to pick a side ?  I'm confused.  I thought you had to be one or the other  :D

[ycartrob]

Any Rachel Maddow fans out there ?  Our is this Ann Coulter country over here  :).  

yikes, not a fan of her either. Not a fan of any of these political "pundits", the Glen Becks Bill O'Reillys, Keith Olbemans, Rush Limbaughs, Bill Mahers etc...

all media whores; digging in to the left or right mantra, an absolute catalyst to the decisiveness of our Left or Right joke of a political system.
All arrogant, hateful and closed minded; not how I want to spend my life.

You mean your not going to pick a side ?  I'm confused.  I thought you had to be one or the other  :D

seems that way, doesn't it. No, I don't discriminate, I hate everyone on an equal basis   ;)

[Crispy]

If Ann Coulter honestly believes that everybody in America should be Christian (and in that interview she says as much, totally in context), then she is absolutely against the ideals that this country was founded upon. "Punditry" or not, her opinions about people that think differently from her are destructive and divisive, and only helps to increase the split between normal people and the intolerant.
Does anybody think she truly advocates totalitarian theocracy, or does she just do it for the lulz?

[Penny Lane]

i don't see the difference between the people who want to take religion out everything and people who believe this country was founded as a christian nation. ....liberal pundits have been being nasty for years--she's just as bad in that respect but i like some of the ideas in her books---

[Crispy]

I agree with you penny, that people that are on the far ends of the spectrum are way out of step with the vast majority of Americans. I certainly don't want to see religion removed from society, but I really don't want live in a theocracy either. And I don't believe either of those things will happen here. The problem I have with Coulter is that she paints with a broad brush all those who disagree with her flavor of Republican Conservatism as communist-sympathizing America-hating liberals, and hence all Democrats, as treason traitors, with no exceptions - so that's at least half of the population of the United States who should be either locked up, exiled, or shot, or whatever it is that she would propose to do with us. That's not even counting those members of the Republican party who happen to be of the wrong religion, those "imperfect" souls who weren't lucky enough to be born into a Christian tradition, and are therefore not acceptable Americans - unless of course they convert (I am paraphrasing her own hyperbole, not just making it up). I suppose she may have some good ideas to admire in her books, as you say, but I hope this is not one of them.

[MMJ_fanatic]

so what exactly does Palin 'get done'?
Lets see...

Ohh, what about that time she was mayor and then left that town with a $20 million dollar debt....

http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/09/03/wasilla-in-debt/

What about that time she made rape victims pay for their own rape kits:

http://stopallmonsters.blogspot.com/2008/09/female-george-bush-gets-lot-creepier.html

What about that time she lied to her own state's people about the wolf hunting situation :

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/450

Just because she is a women doesn't mean she is what our country needs.  It sounds like you are just mad at Obama because he didn't choose Mrs Clinton as a running mate.

Why?

So posting articles from left wing websites somehow magically make them fact?  We could play this game all day, but maybe it would be more productive to post some information about the darling of the media's plan for this country cuz  have yet to hear anything substantial--just a continual mantra of "change" and "yes we can".  I do find it hilarious the the democrat candidate for job #1 is so worried about the Republican candidate for VP.

P.S.--Penny I love you for loving Ann ;)

[Taterbug]

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

It was easy to find.  Mccain could of even found it, oops. Sorry I forgot he has never even turned on a computer  ::) Thats who I want running our country. His beta vcr still blinks 12:00.  This guy can't be for real. I guess if you are one of the 27% of the country that approves of the job bush has done, Mccain is your man. He has voted with Bush 95% of the time. What is the definition of Maverick again ? I don't think it applies here.
                    I can't wait until the debates. Lets get this party started.  Lets see how Mccsame seperates himself from Bush.  Unless, again thats what you enjoy.

[ycartrob]

That's not even counting those members of the Republican party who happen to be of the wrong religion, those "imperfect" souls who weren't lucky enough to be born into a Christian tradition, and are therefore not acceptable Americans -

She said she would not vote for McCain if McCain got the nomination, that's why you haven't seen her on Fox news for a while; the conservative elite media have put her out to pasture until the election is over.

[Penny Lane]

yeah she definitely got blackballed for that....

crispy--you are right-----i definitely don't support a theocracy, the religious right in govt is scary--at the same time, i think the govt's done a crappy job of doing what the church USED to do (system of dependency/TANF/SSI completely out of control)--i just don't think any issue is so cut and dry-- the reason i like her writing is because she opened my eyes to new ideas about the cold war/communism/mccarthy hearings/whittaker chambers--i had been taught one way of thinking from the media/schooling--and she challenged those thoughts---it's not just her, i like all sorts of people w/ideas about this country's problems----i like reading pat buchanan --does that make me evil? watching a bunch of you tube clips isn't going to change my opinion of her...she's not an idiot (editor of U of M law review)--she knows what she's doing and she likes attention--i look past that and find some of her ideas stimulating--not saying i agree w/everything she says--

[Angry Ewok]

Thats who I want running our country. His beta vcr still blinks 12:00.  This guy can't be for real.

I understand where you're coming from, but I don't know if being computer literate is really that important given the problems our country is facing right now. What is important to me is that the President has a realistic grasp of what can be done in a single term to protect our country, and has the good sense to put capable people in the position to get these things done without sacrificing our liberties or nationalizing industry. I'm talking about the economy and national security - I don't care if McCain can't find Borat clips on YouTube from his iPhone.

I guess if you are one of the 27% of the country that approves of the job bush has done, Mccain is your man. He has voted with Bush 95% of the time. What is the definition of Maverick again ? I don't think it applies here.

Obama is among the top ten most partisan members of the senate. He's voted along the party line 97% of the time. So McCain reaches across and votes against his own party more than Obama does. And as far as approval ratings go... Congress has a lower rating than Bush, so what do you propose?

Lets see how Mccsame seperates himself from Bush.

McCain is not running against Bush. He's running against Barack Huessain Obama... The politician from Chicago who has tried to separate himself from a list of wonderful characters such as Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, Reverend Wright, Fannie and Freddie, etc.

She said she would not vote for McCain if McCain got the nomination, that's why you haven't seen her on Fox news for a while; the conservative elite media have put her out to pasture until the election is over.

She said she'd vote for Hillary before she votes for McCain.  ;D

[ycartrob]

McCain is not running against Bush. He's running against Barack Huessain Obama...

that right there is the republicans best weapon: fear

Barack Huessain Obama. Look, see? look at his name; he cannot be trusted.

The implication that Obama is a Muslim, thus a terrorist, is the quickest way republicans have found to the heart of some voters, which is fear. It's simple, you don't have to think and it's juvenile (oh, and by the way, it's not true). It worked in 2004 and the dumb ass democrats jumped in, touting Kerry's military record (which the republicans trashed).

I have a Kurdish friend who is 25. He is Muslim. He has a Muslim sounding name b/c he was born in Kurdistan and he is Muslim. Some would say he is a terrorist b/c of his name. He has been in America for about 15 years. I went to his brother's wedding, he married a friend of mine; it was beautiful. There were lots of Kurdish people there with Muslim sounding names; some of you would have been nervous. He says he can feel the fear coming off some white men who wear business suits. He says to me, "If they only knew how afraid I am of them and who really has the power in this equation."

I hate that shit that people need to use fear and intimidation to get their "point" across. I mean, why doesn't the Republican party just come out and say Obama is black and that's why you should fear him? I mean, the odds of getting killed by a black guy are exponentially higher than getting killed by a Muslim extremist, right?  When's the last time a Muslim extremist killed a white person in America? Hell, every day a black man kills a white person. But it's not "PC" to play to the white fear of black people; let's just stick to the PC version of fear of Muslims. Come on Republicans, don't give me that watered down, pussy ass fear of hating Muslims, that's just a trend; speak your minds and talk about your real fear.

Shit like that is so uncalled for, but there it is.

Racism 2008: Hate a Muslim.

absolute bullshit and ridiculous to think people play that card. I wish you could sit with his beautiful children and explain to them why their daddy needs to be thought of as a terrorist.

As a social worker, do you know how many black, single moms I have worked with over the years? and their teenage children in distress? and dad can't be found anywhere? Now here comes Obama, a man who stands for family and service, a black man doing the right thing (and there's a lot of them, but not enough) but you want to break him down and call him a terrorist. A black man comes along who is doing so well on so many levels and you got to beat him down with this racist shit. And for what? Political reasons.

So tired of the right wing fear mongering ass clowns. It's hard to love these people...
(man, if only Joe Biden's middle name was Humberto...)

[Angry Ewok]

Fear will definitely play a role and I agree it will benefit the Republicans this election... After all, isn't that how it happened last time? Or was it the time before that? Or both? Can't remember.

I don't think, or don't want to believe that race is going to play a big role in this election, but a recent poll said 1/3rd of the polled Democrats said they wouldn't vote for Obama only because he's black. Meanwhile, what percentage of blacks will come out to vote for Obama only because he's black?

The Muslim/Terrorist thing is just weird to me, Tracy. Every time I've asked someone where they've come up with the idea, it goes back to viral e-mails and that sort of thing. I was having lunch somewhere and the table next to me was discussing that... it was like something out of a Twilight Zone episode about the Red Scare.