The NFL thread 2008

[capt. scotty]

Id still rather have a Super Bowl win

[ycartrob]

Id still rather have a Super Bowl win

is this some sort of trash talk? The Pats have been in 4 of the last 7 Super Bowls, winning 3 of them. You can't win the Super Bowl every year, jeeeez.
:-/

[purvis9876]

I'm about sick of the controversy that has already started with that Pittsburgh touchdown. Now I know the rule is that the ball must cross the plane of the endzone. But that directly conflicts with every touchdown that has been scored when a WR catches a ball that is out of bounds in its flight but is caught with two feet in bounds.

Scenario: Based on the talking heads of football on NBC and ESPN, if a reciever were to reach out and catch a ball that is out of bounds in its flight, by the closest pylon(sp?) with both feet in, that this would not be a TD.. But wait, everytime this happens, it is ruled a touchdown. In this scenario, the ball never comes close to what is described as the goal's plane.

Scenario 2: A high pass goes to a reciever in the back of the endzone, the player reaches up and leans out(with both feet in bounds) and catches the ball. Now, in this scenario, it's a touchdown, so why not in the Pittsburgh situation? Neither one crossed the plane of the goal while in possession of a player. One is simply in front of the endzone and one is in the back.

Sorry, rant over. I'm not really sure if that'll translate well over the internet, but I think that if a reciever has two feet in the endzone with control of the ball that it is, without a doubt, a TD. If anyone could find the rule or further explain their complaints, then I would love to hear them and be made wrong.

I still would think the same thing about the catch but may not have written this if I didn't HATE the Ravens.  ;D

[ManNamedTruth]

I'm about sick of the controversy that has already started with that Pittsburgh touchdown. Now I know the rule is that the ball must cross the plane of the endzone. But that directly conflicts with every touchdown that has been scored when a WR catches a ball that is out of bounds in its flight but is caught with two feet in bounds.

Scenario: Based on the talking heads of football on NBC and ESPN, if a reciever were to reach out and catch a ball that is out of bounds in its flight, by the closest pylon(sp?) with both feet in, that this would not be a TD.. But wait, everytime this happens, it is ruled a touchdown. In this scenario, the ball never comes close to what is described as the goal's plane.

Scenario 2: A high pass goes to a reciever in the back of the endzone, the player reaches up and leans out(with both feet in bounds) and catches the ball. Now, in this scenario, it's a touchdown, so why not in the Pittsburgh situation? Neither one crossed the plane of the goal while in possession of a player. One is simply in front of the endzone and one is in the back.

Sorry, rant over. I'm not really sure if that'll translate well over the internet, but I think that if a reciever has two feet in the endzone with control of the ball that it is, without a doubt, a TD. If anyone could find the rule or further explain their complaints, then I would love to hear them and be made wrong.

I still would think the same thing about the catch but may not have written this if I didn't HATE the Ravens.  ;D

I just got home from work so I haven't heard all the controversy yet. I watched the highlights and it looked like the right call to me. I would guess that its in the rule book that if you're feet are down then its a touchdown.

[capt. scotty]

I'm about sick of the controversy that has already started with that Pittsburgh touchdown. Now I know the rule is that the ball must cross the plane of the endzone. But that directly conflicts with every touchdown that has been scored when a WR catches a ball that is out of bounds in its flight but is caught with two feet in bounds.

Scenario: Based on the talking heads of football on NBC and ESPN, if a reciever were to reach out and catch a ball that is out of bounds in its flight, by the closest pylon(sp?) with both feet in, that this would not be a TD.. But wait, everytime this happens, it is ruled a touchdown. In this scenario, the ball never comes close to what is described as the goal's plane.

Scenario 2: A high pass goes to a reciever in the back of the endzone, the player reaches up and leans out(with both feet in bounds) and catches the ball. Now, in this scenario, it's a touchdown, so why not in the Pittsburgh situation? Neither one crossed the plane of the goal while in possession of a player. One is simply in front of the endzone and one is in the back.

Sorry, rant over. I'm not really sure if that'll translate well over the internet, but I think that if a reciever has two feet in the endzone with control of the ball that it is, without a doubt, a TD. If anyone could find the rule or further explain their complaints, then I would love to hear them and be made wrong.

I still would think the same thing about the catch but may not have written this if I didn't HATE the Ravens.  ;D

First, I understand what youre trying to say, but in both those scenarios obviously the ball is across the plane of the goalline. What youre trying to say I think is why if a receivers feet are in bounds and the ball is not (for instance), how could it be a TD. Fair argument I guess, but 2 totally different rules.

Second, Im astonished at how the media is jumping over the overturning of this review.

Im sure Tracy, Bold and others will fling homer bias at me, but I think the ref made the right call. Hell, Mike Pereira (head of officiating) even said it was the right call within a couple of hours and that there was undisputable evidence that they made the right call (and he has on numerous times said the wrong call was made by the refs).

Clearly Holmes toes were on the ground the entire time prior to catching the ball, while catching, and after the catch.

The ball undoubtedly crossed the plane of the goalline.

The only argument is when he had "possession" of the ball. Replay shows he didnt bobble the ball at all, so I dont see how you can say he didnt possess the ball with 2 feet down while crossing the front of the goalline.

And again, very surprised at how much the media is focusing on this. I know it was a big game, and they want to say there was no "indisputable evidence" to overturn it, but hold the media spotlight for once.

[capt. scotty]

So as not to extend the length of that since Im sure it will be quoted by a few people - AWESOME game. I dont know why our offense all of a sudden turns it on for its last few drives in the 4th quarter for the last month plus, but it has.

Considering we were pinned inside our own 10 yardline 4 times that game, and the Ratbirds killed us in starting field position, Im even more impressed with the win.

McClain did better than I expected, but we held Flacco to 115 yards passing, 0 TDs, and 2 INTs. Great defense the whole game, especially considering aforementioned field position.

Roethlisberger has played great ever since his poor performance vs Indy. 246 yards vs. the Ratbirds D?! No INTS, and the game winning TD to boot. Hes played great for the last month or so.

Hes nowhere near having a Top 5 QB season this year, but I cant think of a QB in the NFL who would have better starts with our piss-poor OLine. I yell at the TV screen throw the ball away constantly, but somehow he continues to make plays more often than not.

The 1st time weve won in the land of "The Wire" since 2002

[capt. scotty]

Oh, and that NYG vs. DAL game was intense as well...I thought DAL had a good shot at winning despite the soap opera this week, but I did not think their D would manhandle NYG OLine and Manning like that.

I know NYG didnt have Jacobs, but DAL basically didnt have Barber either.

Very interesting upcoming week. 1st place in each conference is up for grabs with NYG vs. CAR and PIT vs TEN...And Im in the fantasy football championship in my money league, 300$ on the line, but I almost even want it more for bragging rights and pride  >:(

....and muchos gracias to you, Houston Texans, for winning that game today....Andre Johnson is a beast. With Owens, Moss, and Harrison on the decline, I think the new triplets are Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, and Larry Fitzgerald.

Hard to say that without mentioning Boldin though

[ycartrob]

Mannings first QB brothers to make Pro Bowl

NEW YORK (AP)—Peyton and Eli Manning have been voted to the Pro Bowl, the first time two quarterback-playing brothers have played in the same game.

Peyton Manning of the Indianapolis Colts will play for the AFC, and his brother Eli of the New York Giants will play for the NFC. It will be Peyton Manning's ninth appearance in 11 seasons in the NFL's all-star game; Eli, the MVP in last season's Super Bowl, will be competing in his first.

[corey]

Eli sure did look rough against that Dallas D the other day. When he wasn't on his back, he looked flustered as all hell.

[capt. scotty]

Mannings first QB brothers to make Pro Bowl

NEW YORK (AP)—Peyton and Eli Manning have been voted to the Pro Bowl, the first time two quarterback-playing brothers have played in the same game.

Peyton Manning of the Indianapolis Colts will play for the AFC, and his brother Eli of the New York Giants will play for the NFC. It will be Peyton Manning's ninth appearance in 11 seasons in the NFL's all-star game; Eli, the MVP in last season's Super Bowl, will be competing in his first.

Wasnt last season's opening night game NYG vs INDY  :-?

[corey]

I'm pretty sure the Colts played the Saints on a Thursday night to start last season.

[aMillionDreams]

I'm pretty sure the Colts played the Saints on a Thursday night to start last season.

You're right.  But I could've sworn they played each other before so I did some digging (something the Associated Press could apparently do a lot more of).  The Mannings faced off against each other in Week 1 of the 2006 season.  

So that article was wrong, they've played each other in a professional game before.  Still pretty cool they're both in the pro bowl.  Next milestone will be both in the super bowl.

[ycartrob]

Big game Sunday in Nashville

Titans revved up about 'Steelers week'

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/news.php?viewStory=64894

[corey]

Can't wait for that one. The Steelers D is gonna be rough for the Titans run game. Collins' passing game left something to be desired last week against the Texans, so I'm interested to see how this all pans out.

Also, Yahoo was reporting that Haynesworth AND Vanden Bosch would both be out this week. Not good AT ALL for the Titans defense.  

[capt. scotty]

Can't wait for that one. The Steelers D is gonna be rough for the Titans run game. Collins' passing game left something to be desired last week against the Texans, so I'm interested to see how this all pans out.

Also, Yahoo was reporting that Haynesworth AND Vanden Bosch would both be out this week. Not good AT ALL for the Titans defense.  

With both those injuries, I cant see them beating us. Unlike teams like DAL and PHI, TEN pass rush is primarily from their DLine, and those are their 2 biggest threats.

Their only chance is CJ3 and Lendale busting out big games and hopefully taking pressure/less pass rush off of Collins. I think Lendale factors in more in this game, because to run on our D at all, you typically need size (see McClain last week).

Ive thought TEN has been overrated all year, especially their defense, and now its without arguably their 2 best players. Unlike the last few final drive wins, I think PIT wins this by 10 or more

The line started -1 TEN, and its already to -2 PIT...gamblers are smart  ;D

[corey]

It's most definitely gonna be a good game, but I'd really like to see Haynesworth and Vanden Bosch in there for TN. I don't see them pulling off a W without them.

[capt. scotty]

Maybe Ill eat my words monday, but Id much rather play a 100% TEN team than either BAL or INDY in the playoffs

[corey]

As long as Vanden Bosch and Haynesworth are back before the playoffs, I'll be happy.

Of course, I'd like to see a W this weekend, but TN already has a round 1 BYE, so it doesn't really matter if we win or lose.  

[ycartrob]

Maybe Ill eat my words monday, but Id much rather play a 100% TEN team than either BAL or INDY in the playoffs

That's odd considering Tenn has beaten both Baltimore and Indy this year.

[capt. scotty]

Maybe Ill eat my words monday, but Id much rather play a 100% TEN team than either BAL or INDY in the playoffs

That's odd considering Tenn has beaten both Baltimore and Indy this year.

Baltimore is always at their best vs us...Id hate to see them in the playoffs whether its home or away.

While our defense is great overall, its def easier to beat us through the air than by the run. Indy can do that, Tennessee cant

That said, unless Baltimore doesnt make the playoffs, I fully expect to see them or Indy the 2nd week of the playoffs