Whatever the F you wanna talk about

[MickeyReds]

This thread never really got going.

:-/

?

[Vadie Stark]

Whatever the F, Baseball, music, posters, guitars, shows if they ever happen... Not in any particular order.
Here's one:
IMO MMJ should play Iowa City and Chicago this summer. I shouldn't have to explain IC .....But Chicago......
I thought it was very bad rescheduling to put the make up shows between Christmas and NYE but whatever the F

[Leontheslut]

Whatever it takes dude

[Leontheslut]

For ETB:

I know you posted these before, but as of late some of these gubbers make me keep thinking of this...

To be offended is usually a rather unpleasant experience, one that can expose a person to intolerance, cultural misunderstandings, and even evoke the scars of the past.  This is such an unpleasant experience that many people develop a thick skin and try to only be offended in the most egregious and awful situations.  In many circumstances, they can allow smaller offenses to slip by as fighting them is a waste of time and energy.  But white people, blessed with both time and energy, are not these kind of people.  In fact there are few things white people love more than being offended.

Naturally, white people do not get offended by statements directed at white people.  In fact, they don't even have a problem making offensive statements about other white people (ask a white person about "flyover states").  As a rule, white people strongly prefer to get offended on behalf of other people.

It is also valuable to know that white people spend a significant portion of their time preparing for the moment when they will be offended.  They read magazines, books, and watch documentaries all in hopes that one day they will encounter a person who will say something offensive.  When this happens, they can leap into action with quotes, statistics, and historical examples.  Once they have finished lecturing another white person about how it's wrong to use the term "black" instead of "African-American," they can sit back and relax in the knowledge that they have made a difference.

White people also get excited at the opportunity to be offended at things that are sexist and/or homophobic.  Both cases offering ample opportunities for lectures, complaints, graduate classes, lengthy discussions and workshops.  All of which do an excellent job of raising awareness among white people who hope to change their status from "not racist" to "super not racist."

Another thing worth noting is that the threshold for being offended is a very important tool for judging and ranking white people. Missing an opportunity to be outraged is like missing a reference to Derrida-it's social death.

If you ever need to make a white person feel indebted to you, wait for them to mention a book, film, or television show that features a character who is the same race as you,  then say "the representation of <insert race> was offensive and if you can't see that, well, you need to do some soul searching."  After they return from their hastily booked trip to land of your ancestors, they will be desperate to make it up to you.  At this point, it is acceptable to ask them to help you paint your house.

[MickeyReds]

For the Philly people here....



R.I.P Gary Papa

[capt. scotty]

are there any left besides you Mick?!   :-/

[MickeyReds]

are there any left besides you Mick?!   :-/

na

[MickeyReds]

This is worrisome analysis because I believe it possible:


http://web.mit.edu/dikaiser/www/


David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C. , Albany , New York , and Dakar , Senegal . He attended Harvard University , graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976. He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College and has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University . Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.


[size=14]Dr. David Kaiser[/size]


[size=14]History Unfolding[/size]


I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only   now coming into a sharper focus.


Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.


We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?


We learned that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.


We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?


We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why are we worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?


We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x 10. And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.


And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla, Alaska. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)


Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.


This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning.


As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now.


And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly.. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,


How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and ..... change. And the people surely got what they voted for.


If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.


Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.


As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.


I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.


I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.


David Kaiser   Jamestown, Rhode Island

Oh my.....

[Ruckus]

This is worrisome analysis because I believe it possible:


http://web.mit.edu/dikaiser/www/


David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C. , Albany , New York , and Dakar , Senegal . He attended Harvard University , graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976. He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College and has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University . Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.


[size=14]Dr. David Kaiser[/size]


[size=14]History Unfolding[/size]


I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only   now coming into a sharper focus.


Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.


We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?


We learned that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.


We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?


We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why are we worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?


We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x 10. And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.


And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla, Alaska. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)


Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now.


This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.
And that is only the beginning.


As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now.


And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly.. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,


How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe , and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and ..... change. And the people surely got what they voted for.


If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.


Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.


As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.


I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.


I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.


David Kaiser   Jamestown, Rhode Island

So I know from previous threads that you just like to chuck things around to get people riled up.

Now it is my understanding that David Kaiser did not even write this.  Perhaps the fine Dr. would find it inappropriate that his name is being hijacked in the name of a rambling piece of used toilet paper that compares Obama to the Fuhrer.  It is even mentioned on his Wiki site that it actually appeared on Dollard's blog and has been wrongfully attributed to Kaiser.  In fact, one would have to be severely mentally deficient to believe that such an intelligent man was capable of writing something as inane as that.

At best it is juvenile, inconsistent, incoherent and irrational.  That you would post something this silly speaks you your character Fanatic (an apt name).  The purpose for the post I've yet to ascertain other than it is the "Whatever" thread.

In all your wisdom please explain this post.  

[Ruckus]

If you are gonna post bullshit, attribute it to the correct author.  This came from a conservative blog, not the blog of Kaiser.

Moreover, the link you have to David Kaiser above is not even the right Kaiser.  He is a scientist, not the historian, the one you should have found.

http://historyunfolding.blogspot.com/2009/05/foreign-policy-wisdom.html

What I laugh at is that you were duped by your own ;D ;D ;D

[MMJ_fanatic]

Deleted the incorrectly attributed text.  Guess I should  have read about Dr. Kaiser a little more closely before accepting the e-mail (which I received from my FID instructor) as his analysis.

However, I do have a really huge problem with what Obama is trying to achieve here lately though.  The spending is out of control and the TARP bailouts are the most un-American thing I think I've seen since the Commies in our government (as revealed by Senator McCarthy).  Moreover this healthcare "reform" is little more than a government take over of a world class system (which everyone else would like access to--especially illegal aliens) that will ruin said system and will ration healthcare in an almost facist manner.  I mena just take a look at how they've run our public education systems into the ground.

                          *end rant*

Have a nice day and thanks for once again proving that ad hominems are the tactic of choice for the left when confronted with the hard negative truth about their ideas.

[Ruckus]

Deleted the incorrectly attributed text.  Guess I should  have read about Dr. Kaiser a little more closely before accepting the e-mail (which I received from my FID instructor) as his analysis.

However, I do have a really huge problem with what Obama is trying to achieve here lately though.  The spending is out of control and the TARP bailouts are the most un-American thing I think I've seen since the Commies in our government (as revealed by Senator McCarthy).  Moreover this healthcare "reform" is little more than a government take over of a world class system (which everyone else would like access to--especially illegal aliens) that will ruin said system and will ration healthcare in an almost facist manner.  I mena just take a look at how they've run our public education systems into the ground.

                          *end rant*

Have a nice day and thanks for once again proving that ad hominems are the tactic of choice for the left when confronted with the hard negative truth about their ideas.

I apologize for the personal attack MMJF.  It was uncalled for.

However, your reference to ad hominem tactics seem rather paradoxical where you chose to post an opinion piece as substantive work backed only by the name of a particular intellectual.

Your opinions on banking reform, education and health care are fine.  Whether I agree or not is not the issue here.  That you carelessly post a piece that equates the current American condition with those of 1930's Germany and parallels Obama with Hitler is what I question.

To frame our current state in such a way while ignoring the countless other examples in which nation states have faced similar predicaments is shameless propaganda.  Another country that faced similar challenges in that era was the US.  

I guess the US in the 30s and Japan in the 90s just 2 of a number of modern examples where according to that piece, the conditions for a Hitler to come to power existed.

Hmmm, I wonder when Obama is going to START a war and begin EXTERMINATING a race of people.

Ad hominem?

[capt. scotty]

Chris Henry....Brittany Murphy....

who's part 3 of the trifecta?  :(

[capt. scotty]

How crazy is this?!  :o

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c23_1276166790

[AMightyCaporal]

Deleted the incorrectly attributed text.  Guess I should  have read about Dr. Kaiser a little more closely before accepting the e-mail (which I received from my FID instructor) as his analysis.

However, I do have a really huge problem with what Obama is trying to achieve here lately though.  The spending is out of control and the TARP bailouts are the most un-American thing I think I've seen since the Commies in our government (as revealed by Senator McCarthy).  Moreover this healthcare "reform" is little more than a government take over of a world class system (which everyone else would like access to--especially illegal aliens) that will ruin said system and will ration healthcare in an almost facist manner.  I mena just take a look at how they've run our public education systems into the ground.

                          *end rant*

Have a nice day and thanks for once again proving that ad hominems are the tactic of choice for the left when confronted with the hard negative truth about their ideas.

I apologize for the personal attack MMJF.  It was uncalled for.

However, your reference to ad hominem tactics seem rather paradoxical where you chose to post an opinion piece as substantive work backed only by the name of a particular intellectual.

Your opinions on banking reform, education and health care are fine.  Whether I agree or not is not the issue here.  That you carelessly post a piece that equates the current American condition with those of 1930's Germany and parallels Obama with Hitler is what I question.

To frame our current state in such a way while ignoring the countless other examples in which nation states have faced similar predicaments is shameless propaganda.  Another country that faced similar challenges in that era was the US.  

I guess the US in the 30s and Japan in the 90s just 2 of a number of modern examples where according to that piece, the conditions for a Hitler to come to power existed.

Hmmm, I wonder when Obama is going to START a war and begin EXTERMINATING a race of people.

Ad hominem?

Weird,  NJ's education system is being run into the ground by our lovely Governor Chris Christie- not Obama.  But whatever, I hate talking politics- everyone gets pissy and no one ever admits the other is right even when they are so wrong. (Republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, or Liberals everyone is pretty much the same)

[capt. scotty]

I couldve swore there was a crazy people/crazy things thread, but I couldnt find it...this one will have to do I guess.............

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/062011/06152011/633241


BALL BAT WINNER OVER CHAIN SAW
Chain saw attack thwarted by baseball bat.
Date published: 6/15/2011

BY KEITH EPPS


A Springfield man was hit on the head with a baseball bat and arrested on charges that he attacked a Stafford County man with a chain saw, police said.

Stafford Sheriff's Maj. David Decatur said the incident began about 11:45 p.m. Monday on Barclay Lane in Stonebridge of Widewater subdivision.

A 44-year-old Stafford man reported that another man was yelling and banging on his door. The resident said the man cursed him and told him to come outside.

The man reportedly was upset with the resident about a woman. Decatur declined to elaborate.

The resident said that when he took a step out the door, the man came from behind a bush with the chain saw.

He started it and cut into a railing leading to the front porch but did not injure the resident.

Decatur said the resident was able to get back inside his home and close the door. A short time later, the man broke into the home with the chain saw still running.

The man was screaming, and the resident yelled for someone else in the house to call the police.

As the man came after the resident again with the chain saw, the resident grabbed an aluminum baseball bat and hit the man in the head.

The man fell backward out of the house and onto the porch, Decatur said. When he tried to enter the home again, the resident jabbed him in the midsection with the bat, knocking him off the porch.

Decatur said the man staggered around the yard for a few minutes before getting into his Chevrolet pickup truck. He left before deputies arrived.

Deputies searched the area and found the truck and the chain saw down the street. The man was gone, and the Sheriff's Office placed a lookout for him.

About 1:40 a.m. yesterday, Decatur said, the Sheriff's Office was notified that the man was at a hospital in Springfield.

Fairfax County police arrested him there on a domestic assault charge connected with an incident a week earlier.

He picked up other charges in Fairfax when he was accused of assaulting two police officers while trying to flee from the hospital, police said.

Douglas Edward Turner, 31, is charged in Stafford with two counts of attempted malicious wounding, breaking and entering and destruction of property.

He was in the Fairfax Adult Detention Center last night, Decatur said.

[youreveningcoat]

Thank god for baseball

[capt. scotty]

Im not a fan of starting RIP threads, so I figured Id post it here, but apparently Jackass crew guy Ryan Dunn died last night in a crash in PA. I guess theyre saying his face was so burned he was identified by an EMT who recognized his tattoos, and his porsche was basically toast. Saw him and Steve-o on minute to win it a week or 2 ago, watched liked 10 minutes of it, but surprisingly, Steve-O seemed like the more sane/stable/normal person. Not that I follow a lot of crashes, but this is the most mangled car Ive ever seen. Looks like scrap metal.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/jackass-ryan-dunn-dies-dead-car-crash-accident-pennsylvania/

[dgold]

Hi.  New on this forum.  Want to practice posting a youtube so I can post some MMJ videos on the main section.


Lunar Eclipse Dark Side Of The Moon

[darkglow]