That little oil leak

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.  but alas I'm just pull numbers out of my ass now.  I hope they hurry their asses up with the technology.  2050 it's predicted 50percent of ocean life will be extincted if trends continue.  by 2025 kids will be less intelligent than they were in the 90's.  I don't really dig where things are heading socially or economically right now.  it's pretty scary to be honest.  It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out over the next couple decades.

[capt. scotty]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.  but alas I'm just pull numbers out of my ass now.  I hope they hurry their asses up with the technology. 2050 it's predicted 50percent of ocean life will be extincted if trends continue.  by 2025 kids will be less intelligent than they were in the 90's.  I don't really dig where things are heading socially or economically right now.  it's pretty scary to be honest.  It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out over the next couple decades.

What trends? Global warming?

I think kids are already less intelligent than they were in the 90's

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.  but alas I'm just pull numbers out of my ass now.  I hope they hurry their asses up with the technology. 2050 it's predicted 50percent of ocean life will be extincted if trends continue.  by 2025 kids will be less intelligent than they were in the 90's.  I don't really dig where things are heading socially or economically right now.  it's pretty scary to be honest.  It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out over the next couple decades.

What trends? Global warming?

I think kids are already less intelligent than they were in the 90's

trends as in, if we continue life exactly as it is now they are predicting huge losses in ocean life by 2050.  I'm sure it will be a gradual thing.  Global Warming, whatever you want to call it, CO2 emissions, etc.  pissing into the atmosphere, ocean, and earth with endless chemicals is bound to have some kind of consequence.  Even people who don't believe in global warming should at least be able to accept the fact that our population is growing out of control and that is having a serious effect on the amount of pollutants in the air.  

You all seem to have this stuff figured out a lot better than I, deforestation, etc I don't know I think we're past the point of no return in some ways but not in others.  People standing in the way of funding these things are fucking our future kids over big time.

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.

Water more expensive than oil? I can get water from my tap for about 5 cents a gallon. I can get distilled water from Acme for 95 cents a gallon, which includes the petroleum-based container. Today light sweet crude is at about $77 dollars/barrel (159 liters). Thats about $1.83 per gallon of crude.

I agree that electic vehicles are not the solution. We will need to drastically increase our production of electricity. That means, Hydro, wind, solar (ha!), but mostly COAL and OIL... and with deregulation watch your electricity bills spike in the coming year or so.

Even if tomorrow everyone traded in their gas cars for electric, we would still need oil to lubricate the parts of the car, the parts of the machines that built the car, and gas or diesel for the trucks that brought the car to the dealership, and if you've imported, the fuel for the ship that brought it from Asia or Europe.

The electric car is far from a solution, its just an option.

[AMightyCaporal]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.

Water more expensive than oil? I can get water from my tap for about 5 cents a gallon. I can get distilled water from Acme for 95 cents a gallon, which includes the petroleum-based container. Today light sweet crude is at about $77 dollars/barrel (159 liters). Thats about $1.83 per gallon of crude.

I agree that electic vehicles are not the solution. We will need to drastically increase our production of electricity. That means, Hydro, wind, solar (ha!), but mostly COAL and OIL... and with deregulation watch your electricity bills spike in the coming year or so.

Even if tomorrow everyone traded in their gas cars for electric, we would still need oil to lubricate the parts of the car, the parts of the machines that built the car, and gas or diesel for the trucks that brought the car to the dealership, and if you've imported, the fuel for the ship that brought it from Asia or Europe.

The electric car is far from a solution, its just an option.

not to mention the oil needed to run the electric generators to charge the electric car

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.

Water more expensive than oil? I can get water from my tap for about 5 cents a gallon. I can get distilled water from Acme for 95 cents a gallon, which includes the petroleum-based container. Today light sweet crude is at about $77 dollars/barrel (159 liters). Thats about $1.83 per gallon of crude.

I agree that electic vehicles are not the solution. We will need to drastically increase our production of electricity. That means, Hydro, wind, solar (ha!), but mostly COAL and OIL... and with deregulation watch your electricity bills spike in the coming year or so.

Even if tomorrow everyone traded in their gas cars for electric, we would still need oil to lubricate the parts of the car, the parts of the machines that built the car, and gas or diesel for the trucks that brought the car to the dealership, and if you've imported, the fuel for the ship that brought it from Asia or Europe.

The electric car is far from a solution, its just an option.

I only drink Fiji water.  It's made from melted glacier ice.  Shit is top shelf son, 3bones aint no joke.  

question: why does the president keep acting like clean coal is a real?  nobody has any idea how to make it feasible to process "clean" coal right?

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.

Water more expensive than oil? I can get water from my tap for about 5 cents a gallon. I can get distilled water from Acme for 95 cents a gallon, which includes the petroleum-based container. Today light sweet crude is at about $77 dollars/barrel (159 liters). Thats about $1.83 per gallon of crude.

I agree that electic vehicles are not the solution. We will need to drastically increase our production of electricity. That means, Hydro, wind, solar (ha!), but mostly COAL and OIL... and with deregulation watch your electricity bills spike in the coming year or so.

Even if tomorrow everyone traded in their gas cars for electric, we would still need oil to lubricate the parts of the car, the parts of the machines that built the car, and gas or diesel for the trucks that brought the car to the dealership, and if you've imported, the fuel for the ship that brought it from Asia or Europe.

The electric car is far from a solution, its just an option.

not to mention the oil needed to run the electric generators to charge the electric car

Exactly. Once you find a solution for one set, you find another issue. We don't need to eliminate the use of oil, because we can't. Conservation/consumption of all energy should be on the forefront, not this utopian idea of an oil-free existance.

[AMightyCaporal]

back to the problem everyone was talking about cut your hair folks!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8674539.stm

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.

Water more expensive than oil? I can get water from my tap for about 5 cents a gallon. I can get distilled water from Acme for 95 cents a gallon, which includes the petroleum-based container. Today light sweet crude is at about $77 dollars/barrel (159 liters). Thats about $1.83 per gallon of crude.

I agree that electic vehicles are not the solution. We will need to drastically increase our production of electricity. That means, Hydro, wind, solar (ha!), but mostly COAL and OIL... and with deregulation watch your electricity bills spike in the coming year or so.

Even if tomorrow everyone traded in their gas cars for electric, we would still need oil to lubricate the parts of the car, the parts of the machines that built the car, and gas or diesel for the trucks that brought the car to the dealership, and if you've imported, the fuel for the ship that brought it from Asia or Europe.

The electric car is far from a solution, its just an option.

I only drink Fiji water.  It's made from melted glacier ice.  Shit is top shelf son, 3bones aint no joke.  

question: why does the president keep acting like clean coal is a real?  nobody has any idea how to make it feasible to process "clean" coal right?

AMERICA: FUCK YEAH!

Contrary to popular belief, our President is not a scientist.

[megalicious]

four MILLION gallons.

how does one even begin to comprehend this disaster?

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

four MILLION gallons.

how does one even begin to comprehend this disaster?

get some fish and a duck, put them in a metal tub.  poor 1 gallon of oil on them.  multiply by four million?  the gulf of mexico is turning into one gigantic toilet.

[BH]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.

Water more expensive than oil? I can get water from my tap for about 5 cents a gallon. I can get distilled water from Acme for 95 cents a gallon, which includes the petroleum-based container. Today light sweet crude is at about $77 dollars/barrel (159 liters). Thats about $1.83 per gallon of crude.

I agree that electic vehicles are not the solution. We will need to drastically increase our production of electricity. That means, Hydro, wind, solar (ha!), but mostly COAL and OIL... and with deregulation watch your electricity bills spike in the coming year or so.

Even if tomorrow everyone traded in their gas cars for electric, we would still need oil to lubricate the parts of the car, the parts of the machines that built the car, and gas or diesel for the trucks that brought the car to the dealership, and if you've imported, the fuel for the ship that brought it from Asia or Europe.

The electric car is far from a solution, its just an option.

not to mention the oil needed to run the electric generators to charge the electric car

Exactly. Once you find a solution for one set, you find another issue. We don't need to eliminate the use of oil, because we can't. Conservation/consumption of all energy should be on the forefront, not this utopian idea of an oil-free existance.

Electric plants usually run on coal and they are MUCH cleaner and MUCH more fuel efficient than internal combustion engines.

Here is my favorite (affordable) electric car for looks and performance but it's a little bit farther away......

The Fiat 500 Electric



And my favorite money no object electric car....



I realize the Nissan is ugly.  But who cares?  It's a point a to point b commuter car.  Buy a 69 camaro for the weekends right?  If you think the Nissan is ugly, take a look at a pelican covered in oil.  That's ugly.

[mjkoehler]

I realize the Nissan is ugly.  But who cares?  It's a point a to point b commuter car.  Buy a 69 camaro for the weekends right?  If you think the Nissan is ugly, take a look at a pelican covered in oil.  That's ugly.

Amen brother

[ALady]

I realize the Nissan is ugly.  But who cares?  It's a point a to point b commuter car.  Buy a 69 camaro for the weekends right?  If you think the Nissan is ugly, take a look at a pelican covered in oil.  That's ugly.

Right on.  Aesthetics are the least of our worries at this point.

[Tracy 3000]

Capitalism and greed is what made this nation great, but I fear capitalism and greed is what will lead to the planet's demise. We're but a blip on the ass of eternity...

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

I'm not sold of the electric car being the complete solution.  not unless wind/solar/maybe water energy is harnessed first.  If a big percentage of people had electronic cars right now the energy costs with the electrical companies would probably be ridiculous wouldn't it?

It seems like unless we change the entire system switching over to electric cars isn't going to do much.  plus we still need oil to build electric cars right?

oil is pretty much as important as fresh water is in the united states.  

I think water is actually more per gallon than oil is.

Water more expensive than oil? I can get water from my tap for about 5 cents a gallon. I can get distilled water from Acme for 95 cents a gallon, which includes the petroleum-based container. Today light sweet crude is at about $77 dollars/barrel (159 liters). Thats about $1.83 per gallon of crude.

I agree that electic vehicles are not the solution. We will need to drastically increase our production of electricity. That means, Hydro, wind, solar (ha!), but mostly COAL and OIL... and with deregulation watch your electricity bills spike in the coming year or so.

Even if tomorrow everyone traded in their gas cars for electric, we would still need oil to lubricate the parts of the car, the parts of the machines that built the car, and gas or diesel for the trucks that brought the car to the dealership, and if you've imported, the fuel for the ship that brought it from Asia or Europe.

The electric car is far from a solution, its just an option.

not to mention the oil needed to run the electric generators to charge the electric car

Exactly. Once you find a solution for one set, you find another issue. We don't need to eliminate the use of oil, because we can't. Conservation/consumption of all energy should be on the forefront, not this utopian idea of an oil-free existance.

Electric plants usually run on coal and they are MUCH cleaner and MUCH more fuel efficient than internal combustion engines.

Here is my favorite (affordable) electric car for looks and performance but it's a little bit farther away......

The Fiat 500 Electric



And my favorite money no object electric car....



I realize the Nissan is ugly.  But who cares?  It's a point a to point b commuter car.  Buy a 69 camaro for the weekends right?  If you think the Nissan is ugly, take a look at a pelican covered in oil.  That's ugly.

You know what's uglier than an oil covered pelican? An injured or dead coal miner.

[ALady]

You know what's pretty?



I'm sure they have their drawbacks too, but it's a start.

[FiddleCastro]

You know what's pretty?



I'm sure they have their drawbacks too, but it's a start.

Quite a beautiful site, too, saw a bunch of wind farms in Cali when I was there 2 years ago, impressive to say the least.

[mjkoehler]

You know what's pretty?



I'm sure they have their drawbacks too, but it's a start.

Quite a beautiful site, too, saw a bunch of wind farms in Cali when I was there 2 years ago, impressive to say the least.

Drive through NW Iowa, it's actually quite scenic.

[ALady]

We passed a bunch in central Illinois last week.  It's really a striking sight.

I suppose they could be viewed as a blight on the landscape too, but I thought they looked pretty cool.