Airports, X-Rays, and Genital Fondling

[el_chode]

I was thinking the same thing with dogs. I was wondering why we rarely see them in airports...they can be trained to smell anything...even cancer cells.

I also think they're good because they can smell fear.

We have beagles patrolling all our aiports in Australia, mainly to detect drugs 'n stuff though... The only problem is their sooo cute but you're not allowed to pat them which sucks.

I went through one of the xray thingys when I flew home last month. I just stood on the foot marks, raised my arms and let the machine do it's thing. Honestly didn't even give it a second thought. I mean we put mobile phones to our ears, microwave our food, sit laptops on our genitals. What's the diff?

The diff is that you get to choose to do those things. While flying may be a "choice", for many it may not be. And if the choice is to do that scan or be fondled is the only option, it futher removes that choice. Not to mention that using a phone/nuking food/laptops on balls don't show another person your nipples/dick length/tampon/csection scars, are different types of radiation, and there's a social utility in them.

Also, when you microwave your food/use your cell phone/use your laptop, it's not on the taxpayer dime. I also view these ineffective machines as a shining example of excessive spending by the gov't under the banner of "terrorists will kill you if we don't"

[el_chode]

I suspect that explosive sniffing dogs are not easily rushed to every airport in the US.  Also, it may scare people (abu graib flashback), harm allergy sufferers etc.  Nothing but speculation but dog training takes a long time.  Years I bet.  

Its easier to spend millions on technology, tested or not.

Scaring people is part of the benefit - if you're up to no good, you might be more likely to abort if the dog freaks you out. If you suffer allergies, it definitely sucks. But would you rather get blasted with radiation or get the sniffles?

[CTdeadhead]

I suspect that explosive sniffing dogs are not easily rushed to every airport in the US.  Also, it may scare people (abu graib flashback), harm allergy sufferers etc.  Nothing but speculation but dog training takes a long time.  Years I bet.  

Its easier to spend millions on technology, tested or not.

Scaring people is part of the benefit - if you're up to no good, you might be more likely to abort if the dog freaks you out. If you suffer allergies, it definitely sucks. But would you rather get blasted with radiation or get the sniffles?

I agree with you, I feel we should follow the lead of El AL the Israeli airline, they do interviews of every passenger.  

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

I think people are way to hung up on this...what's the alternative? Do you know how hard it is to keep airplanes safe. I would walk through security naked if it meant I would live another day. Get over yourselves...not much is private anymore.

...if you don't like the ride...don't travel.  :P

The alternative is to come out and admit there is no evidence these procedures have any effect on making the skies safer and to regard those rights enumerated to us through the constitution are not alienated by a false sense of security.

Interstate commerce is one of those rights.

Saying we should not travel if we don't want to be strip searched makes about as much sense as saying you don't mind if the cops randomly rummage through your home because you've got nothing to hide.

Not to mention the additional costs of labor, time, and research going into this. We pay the salaries of the people who treat us all like suspected terrorists. You want to reduce the deficit? A great way to start is by not imposing irrational, unproven, and unreliable security measures.

yeah, you're hitting the nail on the head for sure.  the personnel they hire at these airports is definitely questionable to say the least.  

and you're right it's definitely a false sense of security.  but that's why [highlight]americans are fucking idiots[/highlight].  we give up our rights for security time and time again.  it's sad really.

we need to cut defense spending and we could easily cut it by 10 or 20percent but the repubs/conservative nuts/ and people who have been convinced to be afraid do not understand how fast these things could snowball into situations where we're pissed at eachother rather than the "terrorists".  

the war on terror can suck my fat nuts.  

Are you an American? you must be one of the smart ones... ;)

I still have yet to hear a better solution to this problem. Is there such a thing as a security screening that doesn't violate our privacy? For anyone who has gone to a concert (T5 for an example) they have been given a fondling by security before entering...you don't seem to be bitching about that.

I think some people just get on these bandwagons against our government...when they have yet to actually be affected by it. Don't bitch about your privacy & rights being violated until they have been...

they fondled you guys at T5?  that's pretty fucked up.  it's a concert not customs.  

if we let these security guards play with our balls and vaginas at the airport the terrorists have won.  

the dog idea is good but nobody will every compromise for something like that now.  they have been given the power to touch balls and boobs, if they change anything I doubt it will be that much different than how they're doing things now.  unless you do this on an international scale it's sorta pointless.    

[el_chode]

The pat down at T5 is not the same thing. They're not cupping tits, feeling inside bras, going up and into your chode. If they were, you should have complained.

[ALady]

I was thinking the same thing with dogs. I was wondering why we rarely see them in airports...they can be trained to smell anything...even cancer cells.

I also think they're good because they can smell fear.

Good thing no one's afraid to fly!   ;D ;)

[el_chode]

I was thinking the same thing with dogs. I was wondering why we rarely see them in airports...they can be trained to smell anything...even cancer cells.

I also think they're good because they can smell fear.

Good thing no one's afraid to fly!   ;D ;)

Question: do you look into the people who look nervous or the people who look calm?

[Bigsky]

I think people are way to hung up on this...what's the alternative? Do you know how hard it is to keep airplanes safe. I would walk through security naked if it meant I would live another day. Get over yourselves...not much is private anymore.

...if you don't like the ride...don't travel.  :P

The alternative is to come out and admit there is no evidence these procedures have any effect on making the skies safer and to regard those rights enumerated to us through the constitution are not alienated by a false sense of security.

Interstate commerce is one of those rights.

Saying we should not travel if we don't want to be strip searched makes about as much sense as saying you don't mind if the cops randomly rummage through your home because you've got nothing to hide.

Not to mention the additional costs of labor, time, and research going into this. We pay the salaries of the people who treat us all like suspected terrorists. You want to reduce the deficit? A great way to start is by not imposing irrational, unproven, and unreliable security measures.

yeah, you're hitting the nail on the head for sure.  the personnel they hire at these airports is definitely questionable to say the least.  

and you're right it's definitely a false sense of security.  but that's why [highlight]americans are fucking idiots[/highlight].  we give up our rights for security time and time again.  it's sad really.

we need to cut defense spending and we could easily cut it by 10 or 20percent but the repubs/conservative nuts/ and people who have been convinced to be afraid do not understand how fast these things could snowball into situations where we're pissed at eachother rather than the "terrorists".  

the war on terror can suck my fat nuts.  

Are you an American? you must be one of the smart ones... ;)

I still have yet to hear a better solution to this problem. Is there such a thing as a security screening that doesn't violate our privacy? For anyone who has gone to a concert (T5 for an example) they have been given a fondling by security before entering...you don't seem to be bitching about that.

I think some people just get on these bandwagons against our government...when they have yet to actually be affected by it. Don't bitch about your privacy & rights being violated until they have been...

they fondled you guys at T5?  that's pretty fucked up.  it's a concert not customs.  

if we let these security guards play with our balls and vaginas at the airport the terrorists have won.  

the dog idea is good but nobody will every compromise for something like that now.  [highlight]they have been given the power to touch balls and boobs[/highlight], if they change anything I doubt it will be that much different than how they're doing things now.  unless you do this on an international scale it's sorta pointless.    

Do you actually think the security agents are enjoying this? I would hate to have this as my job. I could not imagine having to touch that many people. I am beginning to question your intelligence SIGS...you must be one of those fucking American idiot. I'm sorry...I was just regurgitating your words of knowledge...

They didn't touch our junk at T5, but I was still touched.

[Bigsky]

The thing with this new system is that it's new. When they first started using the air scanners, everyone was bitching about the same issues...
In a couple of months (even weeks) this won't even be a concern. I think the world is a bit fucked up right now, and if they need to look at or touch my junk to make it safer it's all good. If it doesn't work...they will move on to looking at the things in my bag...oh wait, they already do that.

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

yes bigsky, I do believe that some of these security guards enjoy this.  look at that security dude in the picture above.  he's lovin his job.

you can question my intelligence but all it's going to do is make me destroy you mentally.  I'm good at being an asshole so don't fuck with me.

it's always funny when people argue that the american public as a whole isn't a bunch of hypersensitive, misinformed, idiots.

and also, if they didn't fondle your balls at T5 then it's not the same thing at all.  if these same procedures went down at a concert there would be lawsuits upon lawsuits.  

[Ruckus]

Well written Choder.  I've been out of the loop on this but first I wanna dig up the TSA statutes and regulations under which their authority for this arises.  Any statutory guidance would be appreciated as I don't have access to Lexis/Westlaw at home.  And I agree, at its core, this is an egregious violation of the 4th as an unreasonable search of one's person.

Hey Bigsky, I will say that I have had my rights violated on numerous occasions and it sucks big time.  The point of all resistance to issues such as this is to combat it before one suffers the ignominy of being singled out publicly for one reason or another.  In 1998, I had my playstation taken apart at Laguardia.  I looked like a terrorist with my beard.  It sucked but they were doing their job.

[ALady]

I was thinking the same thing with dogs. I was wondering why we rarely see them in airports...they can be trained to smell anything...even cancer cells.

I also think they're good because they can smell fear.

Good thing no one's afraid to fly!   ;D ;)

Question: do you look into the people who look nervous or the people who look calm?

BOTH.

[Bigsky]

yes bigsky, I do believe that some of these security guards enjoy this.  look at that security dude in the picture above.  he's lovin his job.

you can question my intelligence but [highlight]all it's going to do is make me destroy you mentally.  I'm good at being an asshole so don't fuck with me.[/highlight]

it's always funny when people argue that the american public as a whole isn't a bunch of hypersensitive, misinformed, idiots.

and also, if they didn't fondle your balls at T5 then it's not the same thing at all.  if these same procedures went down at a concert there would be lawsuits upon lawsuits.  

SIGS...I'll smoke your ass like that bong hit I just took in your room

[Bigsky]

I was wondering something...have they been touching juveniles?


Here is a link about the TSA
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101119/ap_on_re_us/us_airport_security_private_screeners

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

today in other world news related to air transportation:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8142463/Bomb-found-on-Germany-bound-plane-in-Namibia-police-say.html

[Bigsky]

I think it would be pretty funny if someone put a big dildo in their pants just to mess with the TSA... ;D

[the_wizzard]

I still say that if you want to combat ideology like that, don't clamp down. Show that their tactics WON'T affect us.

THIS.  We will never win if we let terrorism take away our freedom.  

[Tracy 3000]

What are three things that cost over $100?

5 of these

[capt. scotty]

Good idea on the dogs chode.  But I guarantee some fuckin nutjob will bitch about the wet spot on there crotch from a dogs nose.

Im on the border on this, but I think Id rather have my nuts touched by some security guard than a dog so close to my junk that my crotch is wet...I dont trust dogs and last thing I need as Im boarding my flight is Rin Tin Tin having a sausage sandwich for lunch.

Also, If I ever go thru one of those xray scanners, I hope I have a raging boner

[kydiddle]

Good idea on the dogs chode.  But I guarantee some fuckin nutjob will bitch about the wet spot on there crotch from a dogs nose.

Im on the border on this, but I think Id rather have my nuts touched by some security guard than a dog so close to my junk that my crotch is wet...I dont trust dogs and last thing I need as Im boarding my flight is Rin Tin Tin having a sausage sandwich for lunch.

[highlight]Also, If I ever go thru one of those xray scanners, I hope I have a raging boner[/highlight]

Miss ya, capt.  ;D ;D ;D

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