NCAA Football 2011

[capt. scotty]

Burn in hell, Sandusky. Fuckin' piece of shit. Fuck him. Fuck Penn State for allowing him to operate his camps. It's absolutely disgusting, all of it.

Its terrible. I first heard about the allegations/investigations about 6 months ago, and just based on the minimal amount of info I heard then, it was pretty clear he was guilty. Now he has 40 various felony and misdemeanor charges against him, its pretty shocking. I wasnt really a fan when he was there because I wasnt a student until 2003, but Ive heard other fans say that Sandusky stepping down in 1999 was very odd and they heard things like the school had Paterno tell Sandusky that he would never be the head coach for PSU, which makes you think they had even heard things before 2002. I dont understand why the AD or VP didnt go to police and McQuery and Paterno told them about the 2002 incident. Whether they did or not, it was going to look bad for the school, and now it looks even worse that they covered up such aggregious crimes.

My biggest question is why Paterno (or McQuery, since his was the eyewitness) didnt follow up with Curley or Schultz to be sure that the police were informed. Joe says he wasnt aware of the graphic details that were in the grand jury report, but for a guy with such class and high standards, its surprising to hear him not following up to make sure the plice knew about this.

[capt. scotty]

So anyway, while offense is always entertaining, I still thought the game was very entertaining. Both defenses are great, and they made average QBs look terrible. The play of the game and gamechanger that I think won LSU the game was when the LSU DB stripped the ball from from Bama's TE for an INT in what first appeared to be a sure catch and Bama ball 1st & goal inside the 1 and likely TD. If LSU doesnt force the TO there, Im pretty sure they wouldve lost. Bad playcalling by Bama in OT didnt hurt either.

Crazy that Bama is still #3 in the BCS right now. Im sure Stanford would pass them if they go undefeated, but thats a big if. Considering theyre still at 3 right now, Id guess that Bama will end up #2 when all is said and done if everyone else has 1 loss and/or Boise is the only undefeated (besides LSU). Right now, Id rank the title games I want as:

1) LSU/Stanford
2) LSU/OU
3) LSU/Okie St
4) LSU/Bama
5) LSU/Oregon
6) LSU/Boise

[Penny Lane]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf?hpt=hp_t1

The link above is the grand jury findings.  I hope this guy gets put in general population when he is locked up.  And the people that covered it should be considered accomplices.  I feel bad for all the good people at Penn State that now have to deal with the carnage this asshole left.

Really sad. They need to clean house...everyone is dirty in this...

[iLikeBeer]

Right now, Id rank the title games I want as:

1) LSU/Stanford
2) LSU/OU
3) LSU/Okie St
4) LSU/Bama
5) LSU/Oregon
6) LSU/Boise

LSU/Stanford would be my #1 choice.  I just want to see how Luck would fare against that LSU Defense.  I'm not in favor of a rematch of Bama/LSU AT ALL!  If they didn't give Michigan/OSU a rematch of what was actually a VERY entertaining game back in 2006, then I don't want a rematch of a game decided by who has the better fg kicker...

LSU/Okie St would probably be my #2 choice.

[iLikeBeer]

My biggest question is why Paterno (or McQuery, since his was the eyewitness) didnt follow up with Curley or Schultz to be sure that the police were informed. Joe says he wasnt aware of the graphic details that were in the grand jury report, but for a guy with such class and high standards, its surprising to hear him not following up to make sure the plice knew about this.

This is my biggest question as well.  And to take it a step further, why isn't Paterno and McQuery facing charges of failing to report a sex crime to the police?  After all, McQuery witnessed the crime and failed to report it to the police and Paterno chose to take McQuery's information to the AD and the universtiy VP instead of notifying the police?! 

I echo taterbug's sentiments of cleaning house.  I really don't see how PSU can save face any other way.  It's really a shame that the legend that is Joe Paterno will now be more remembered for this scandal than for all he accomplished in his 167  years (give or take 50) as head coach at PSU...  :-\

[Ruckus]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/11/07/sandusky_grand_jury_presentment.pdf?hpt=hp_t1

The link above is the grand jury findings.  I hope this guy gets put in general population when he is locked up.  And the people that covered it should be considered accomplices.  I feel bad for all the good people at Penn State that now have to deal with the carnage this asshole left.

Really sad. They need to clean house...everyone is dirty in this...

The grand jury report is.....WHY THE F*CK wasn't stuff done earlier!?  Sandusky was in a dream of mine last night. >:(  I will never stop grinding my teeth over some of the stories the children I used to work with would divulge to me.  I agree with Tater.  This dude needs gen pop ASAP.

Frank Bruni has a nice piece in the NYTimes for Americans' limitless capacity to show outrage over an issue.  In this case it's justified, over and over and over.   Yes, this is news because it is a big university involved.  Sad how much this happens in everyday life. :-\

[Tracy 2112]

WHY THE F*CK wasn't stuff done earlier!?

Never underestimate the power of denial.

This has been going on for a while within the Catholic Church. You have men in positions of power who feel they are above the law. If religious "leaders" can't do the right thing then I'm not suprised that some football coaches don't do the right thing.

Someone from Clinton County high school (who made a report to authorities in 2008) is the hero here; probably some social worker doing their job, not making a lot of money and never getting the spotlight. Doing something that they probably do a lot, which is hard and messes with your chi (yes, I'm a social worker, too) but necessary to protect children. But they'll never get the recognition or get PAID b/c what they do isn't "important". Right  :-\

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.

[Penny Lane]

My biggest question is why Paterno (or McQuery, since his was the eyewitness) didnt follow up with Curley or Schultz to be sure that the police were informed. Joe says he wasnt aware of the graphic details that were in the grand jury report, but for a guy with such class and high standards, its surprising to hear him not following up to make sure the plice knew about this.

This is my biggest question as well.  And to take it a step further, why isn't Paterno and McQuery facing charges of failing to report a sex crime to the police?  After all, McQuery witnessed the crime and failed to report it to the police and Paterno chose to take McQuery's information to the AD and the universtiy VP instead of notifying the police?! 

Neither Paterno nor McQuery were under a legal obligation to tell the the Police according to the state law. They were deemed "employees". It's only their duty to tell their superior/administrator. It was the administrator/principal/President's job to alert the authorities within 48 hours. Joe is in the clear legally. It was the responsibility of the other three--in some states, i think they may have had the duty, but not in PA..

[ericm]

How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.

Totally agree about McQuery.

How he just walked out of the locker room while a little boy is being raped is beyond comprehension. McQuery is not some small, geeky, team manager. He was a college qb before becoming a GA, and certainly has the size,imo, to if not kick Sandusky's ass in that shower, at least be ablle to land a punch or two to that scumbag's face. At the very least he was big enough to be able to get that poor kid away from Sandusky, at that time.

I can't believe  McQuery seems to be getting a big-time pass in all of this,imo. I can't imagine how he can look himself in the mirror, or sleep at night.  >:(

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.

Totally agree about McQuery.

How he just walked out of the locker room while a little boy is being raped is beyond comprehension. McQuery is not some small, geeky, team manager. He was a college qb before becoming a GA, and certainly has the size,imo, to if not kick Sandusky's ass in that shower, at least be ablle to land a punch or two to that scumbag's face. At the very least he was big enough to be able to get that poor kid away from Sandusky, at that time.

I can't believe  McQuery seems to be getting a big-time pass in all of this,imo. I can't imagine how he can look himself in the mirror, or sleep at night.  >:(

I can understand that he would be in absolute shock after witnessing that, but how in the days, months, and years after did that not haunt him enough to finally take it to every authority you can possibly think of.

[Penny Lane]

I actually disagree and see McQuery as the least culpable here. He went to Joe Paterno's HOUSE and told him what happened the next day. Then he was summoned to a meeting with Curley and Shultz and they assured him they took care of it, that they'd done this and that. This is your AD, your VP of Business and probably the most prestigious and famous college football coach in the history of college football assuring you it's been taken care of...it doesn't excuse what he did at all. He should have called the Police.

..but they others were part of a cover up. Paterno and the others knew about this guy and wanted him out quietly before this all blew up. They took what McQuery told them about rape and turned it into 'locker room horseplay'...that's dispicable..

[Penny Lane]

I've been waiting for the Grantland article. So sad 
This has to be so tough for Penn State fans..

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7205085/growing-penn-state

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

I actually disagree and see McQuery as the least culpable here. He went to Joe Paterno's HOUSE and told him what happened the next day. Then he was summoned to a meeting with Curley and Shultz and they assured him they took care of it, that they'd done this and that. This is your AD, your VP of Business and probably the most prestigious and famous college football coach in the history of college football assuring you it's been taken care of...it doesn't excuse what he did at all. He should have called the Police.

..but they others were part of a cover up. Paterno and the others knew about this guy and wanted him out quietly before this all blew up. They took what McQuery told them about rape and turned it into 'locker room horseplay'...that's dispicable..

I do see McQuery as least culpable, but he just seems to be getting off easy in the press that I've read and heard. It doesnt sound like McQuery was part of a cover up at all, but he had to have known that whatever Paterno, Curley, and Schultz did obviously wasn't nearly enough since Sandusky was still allowed on campus, around children, and wasn't IN PRISON.

[ericm]

How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.

Totally agree about McQuery.

How he just walked out of the locker room while a little boy is being raped is beyond comprehension. McQuery is not some small, geeky, team manager. He was a college qb before becoming a GA, and certainly has the size,imo, to if not kick Sandusky's ass in that shower, at least be ablle to land a punch or two to that scumbag's face. At the very least he was big enough to be able to get that poor kid away from Sandusky, at that time.

I can't believe  McQuery seems to be getting a big-time pass in all of this,imo. I can't imagine how he can look himself in the mirror, or sleep at night.  >:(

I can understand that he would be in absolute shock after witnessing that, but how in the days, months, and years after did that not haunt him enough to finally take it to every authority you can possibly think of.

Shock?  maybe so, but I have to believe that if I ever witnessed something like that, my first thought would be to help the kid, and not run to Daddy, and then to Joe Pa.

That's the part I'm having the most trouble with. What he said later, or if he was part of a coverup is nothing to me, compared to not stopping the rape of a little boy. How in the hell could he run out, and not help that kid?  :o

[Taterbug]

When did employees of a university become exempt for reporting criminal misconduct directly to campus police or the state police for that matter. ? fuck the chain of command.

A hypothetical question for all you lawyers.

Lets just say I'm at my job and I walk out in our warehouse and find someone being raped by my co-worker and I decide not to interject ( which is hypothetical. I would totally go bonkers on the dirtbag ) and just report it to my boss. Then he does nothing.  2 weeks later this person goes to the police and says that they saw me while in the process of being assaulted  and I did nothing to help except for telling someone else.  What law protects me from being criminally or civilly prosocuted ? 

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

How do you witness something like that and not immediately do everything you can think of to end it? How do you leave the building while knowing exactly what was going on inside? How do you go home, and only mention it to Paterno the following day? I understand the shock, and wanting to protect your job or a reputation or an institution, but JESUS CHRIST if you're going to draw a line somewhere it has got to be before child rape. I can understand why accountants don't go blowing the whistle when they see some fudging of numbers, or people look the other way when they know about insurance fraud, or other lesser crimes that occur everyday. Mike McQueary bears some responsibility in this, as does Paterno, and everyone else who even had an inkling that anything like this was going on. Absolultely disgusting.

Totally agree about McQuery.

How he just walked out of the locker room while a little boy is being raped is beyond comprehension. McQuery is not some small, geeky, team manager. He was a college qb before becoming a GA, and certainly has the size,imo, to if not kick Sandusky's ass in that shower, at least be ablle to land a punch or two to that scumbag's face. At the very least he was big enough to be able to get that poor kid away from Sandusky, at that time.

I can't believe  McQuery seems to be getting a big-time pass in all of this,imo. I can't imagine how he can look himself in the mirror, or sleep at night.  >:(

I can understand that he would be in absolute shock after witnessing that, but how in the days, months, and years after did that not haunt him enough to finally take it to every authority you can possibly think of.

Shock?  maybe so, but I have to believe that if I ever witnessed something like that, my first thought would be to help the kid, and not run to Daddy, and then to Joe Pa.

That's the part I'm having the most trouble with. What he said later, or if he was part of a coverup is nothing to me, compared to not stopping the rape of a little boy. How in the hell could he run out, and not help that kid?  :o

I agree. There's that 1% of me that says "people cannot expect to act normally in completely abnormal situations"... but then there's the other 99% of my brain that keeps asking how did he not just end the act right there, but how did he keep himself from killing the coach with his bare hands on the spot.

[pawpaw]

I felt bad for Cap when I came back in here yesterday afternoon and saw that he'd changed his avatar. PSU alums deserve to feel proud of their school - it's a great school.

I just can't imagine what those boys and their families have gone through.

[Penny Lane]

When did employees of a university become exempt for reporting criminal misconduct directly to campus police or the state police for that matter. ? fuck the chain of command.

A hypothetical question for all you lawyers.

Lets just say I'm at my job and I walk out in our warehouse and find someone being raped by my co-worker and I decide not to interject ( which is hypothetical. I would totally go bonkers on the dirtbag ) and just report it to my boss. Then he does nothing.  2 weeks later this person goes to the police and says that they saw me while in the process of being assaulted  and I did nothing to help except for telling someone else.  What law protects me from being criminally or civilly prosocuted ?

You're under no legal duty to report this so how would you be criminally or civilly prosecuted? (I never took the bar exam and don't consider myself a real lawyer, though)


The question above-- probably varies by state. In some states, maybe teachers are legally obligated to go right to the police, in others, they are legally obligated to tell the Principal, who is then legally obligated to tell the Police. In PA, employees had no legal duty to tell the Police. Joe and McQuery had no legal duty, the others did.

[capt. scotty]

I actually disagree and see McQuery as the least culpable here. He went to Joe Paterno's HOUSE and told him what happened the next day. Then he was summoned to a meeting with Curley and Shultz and they assured him they took care of it, that they'd done this and that. This is your AD, your VP of Business and probably the most prestigious and famous college football coach in the history of college football assuring you it's been taken care of...it doesn't excuse what he did at all. He should have called the Police.

..but they others were part of a cover up. Paterno and the others knew about this guy and wanted him out quietly before this all blew up. They took what McQuery told them about rape and turned it into 'locker room horseplay'...that's dispicable..

I do see McQuery as least culpable, but he just seems to be getting off easy in the press that I've read and heard. It doesnt sound like McQuery was part of a cover up at all, but he had to have known that whatever Paterno, Curley, and Schultz did obviously wasn't nearly enough since Sandusky was still allowed on campus, around children, and wasn't IN PRISON.

Agree with all of this. Who knows what they actually told McQueary (maybe its in the grand jury report, I didnt read the whole thing), but he had to realize nothing had been done if Sandusky was still on campus LAST WEEK as well as never hearing anything in the news. I dont see how he survives this, and how could he as our head of recruiting?!



News today that Im seeing is that a 9th boy from Second Mile has come forward and accused Sandusky of sex abuse. Paterno's press conference was canceled due to legal circumstances but Paterno was ready to address the scandal. PSU trustees are in the process of working on Paterno's exit, maybe within days or weeks. I'll be kind of surprised if he doesnt finish the year, but I guess I shouldnt be.