NCAA Football 2011

[capt. scotty]

Right now, Id rank the title games I want as:

1) LSU/Stanford
2) LSU/OU
3) LSU/Okie St
4) LSU/Bama
5) LSU/Oregon
6) LSU/Boise

LSU/Stanford would be my #1 choice.  I just want to see how Luck would fare against that LSU Defense.  I'm not in favor of a rematch of Bama/LSU AT ALL!  If they didn't give Michigan/OSU a rematch of what was actually a VERY entertaining game back in 2006, then I don't want a rematch of a game decided by who has the better fg kicker...

LSU/Okie St would probably be my #2 choice.

I have OU as the 2nd matchup I want assuming they beat Okie St. I think the Sooners are the best team outside of LSU and Bama and that Texas Tech loss was pretty much unexplainable. If Okie St beats them and goes undefeated, I think they deserve to be there ahead of Stanford actually.

[Ruckus]

WHY THE F*CK wasn't stuff done earlier!?

Never underestimate the power of denial.

This has been going on for a while within the Catholic Church. You have men in positions of power who feel they are above the law. If religious "leaders" can't do the right thing then I'm not suprised that some football coaches don't do the right thing.

Someone from Clinton County high school (who made a report to authorities in 2008) is the hero here; probably some social worker doing their job, not making a lot of money and never getting the spotlight. Doing something that they probably do a lot, which is hard and messes with your chi (yes, I'm a social worker, too) but necessary to protect children. But they'll never get the recognition or get PAID b/c what they do isn't "important". Right  :-\

I agree Tracy though I'd make more of a distinction between the concept of denial and individual/institutional hubris.  There are a lot of gaps in the story here and I'd like to hear more details about hush money or threats to lower downs on the totem pole.  Unfortunately, Joe Pa is culpable as well though he avoided legal trouble by doing the bare minimum.  Not denial, hubris.  My legacy and this program's image is much more important than the innocence of youth

[Penny Lane]

And the DA who decided not to prosecute back in 1998 (after hearing Sandusky confess) disappeared in 2005:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmBwOw-KoY

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

And the DA who decided not to prosecute back in 1998 (after hearing Sandusky confess) disappeared in 2005:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmBwOw-KoY

I remember hearing about this when he first went missing. They found parts of his laptop and things like that, almost sounded like he wanted to disappear.

[capt. scotty]

And the DA who decided not to prosecute back in 1998 (after hearing Sandusky confess) disappeared in 2005:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrmBwOw-KoY

Damn, I remember this story when it happened and reading it in the school paper for weeks/months. This article though comes across as pure speculation in connecting the two just to get people to read it.

[Tracy 2112]

When did employees of a university become exempt for reporting criminal misconduct directly to campus police or the state police for that matter. ? fuck the chain of command.

A hypothetical question for all you lawyers.

Lets just say I'm at my job and I walk out in our warehouse and find someone being raped by my co-worker and I decide not to interject ( which is hypothetical. I would totally go bonkers on the dirtbag ) and just report it to my boss. Then he does nothing.  2 weeks later this person goes to the police and says that they saw me while in the process of being assaulted  and I did nothing to help except for telling someone else.  What law protects me from being criminally or civilly prosocuted ?

You're under no legal duty to report this so how would you be criminally or civilly prosecuted? (I never took the bar exam and don't consider myself a real lawyer, though)


The question above-- probably varies by state. In some states, maybe teachers are legally obligated to go right to the police, in others, they are legally obligated to tell the Principal, who is then legally obligated to tell the Police. In PA, employees had no legal duty to tell the Police. Joe and McQuery had no legal duty, the others did.

In Tennessee you are required to report the physical/sexual abuse of a child regardless of your job title or authority.

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

Fuck the police. This whole thing makes my blood boil.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html

When the mother confronted Sandusky, he said: "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead," according the presentment from the grand jury.

An investigator for Children and Youth Services broke the news to the mother: It was all a big mistake, the mother said she was told. The police officer who investigated won't comment. Neither will the former police chief.

"Jerry Sandusky admitted to my face, he admitted it," the mother said. "He admitted that he lathered up my son they were naked and he bear-hugged him. If they would have done something about it in 1998, and then again in 2002 — there was two chances they dropped the ball and I think they should all be held accountable."

[capt. scotty]

Im starting to get the impression that Paterno isnt going to make it thru the week.

It would appear he didnt do everything he should have, but it still sucks to see that everything he has done to build the PSU name and football program is going to end like this  :-\

[Penny Lane]

Im starting to get the impression that Paterno isnt going to make it thru the week.

It would appear he didnt do everything he should have, but it still sucks to see that everything he has done to build the PSU name and football program is going to end like this  :-\

There's no point in dragging it out. He won't be able to march onto the field on Sat. They should do it tomorrow.

[capt. scotty]

Philly's Fox station is now reporting the victims have more than doubled and its approaching 20. Id guess the actual amount of kids this sleazebag corrupted is closer to 100 considering the length of time, but who knows how many people come forward.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811



After practice today, there was also 500-1000 students outside of Paterno's house and cheering for him until police threatened to issue tickets an hour or so later.

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/more-breaking-jopa-footage/

[Penny Lane]

Philly's Fox station is now reporting the victims have more than doubled and its approaching 20. Id guess the actual amount of kids this sleazebag corrupted is closer to 100 considering the length of time, but who knows how many people come forward.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811



After practice today, there was also 500-1000 students outside of Paterno's house and cheering for him until police threatened to issue tickets an hour or so later.

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/more-breaking-jopa-footage/

i got teary eyed watching that video of him outside his house...i probably shouldn't have..

[capt. scotty]

Philly's Fox station is now reporting the victims have more than doubled and its approaching 20. Id guess the actual amount of kids this sleazebag corrupted is closer to 100 considering the length of time, but who knows how many people come forward.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/sports/local_sports/exclusive:-victims-double-in-penn-state-case-110811



After practice today, there was also 500-1000 students outside of Paterno's house and cheering for him until police threatened to issue tickets an hour or so later.

http://boston.barstoolsports.com/random-thoughts/more-breaking-jopa-footage/

i got teary eyed watching that video of him outside his house...i probably shouldn't have..

This whole situation is getting crazier not only by the day, but the hour.

My freshman dorms were literally like a 5-10 minute walk from Paterno's house...We had many a smoke session walking thru his neighborhood my freshman year, and a couple times JoePa was even outside when we walked by and I gave the old "hoo-rah, Joe Pa". Seeing that crowd brings back memories of that, yet at the same time, its hard to see so much support for Paterno considering how he morally is still very much in question here.

Im having great memories interluded by astonishment right now.

[capt. scotty]

Latest news is that there are thousands of people outside of the stadium around Joe's statue chanting in favor of Paterno. Earlier, a large crowd was outside of the presidents office on campus, rotating thru chants of: "Hell No, Joe Wont Go", "Fire, Spanier", and "Fuck Sandusky"..I think the students are supporting the school/football, but in this case undermining the worst part of why this scandal is so huge. At the same time, if I was still a student at PSU, I would almost undoubtedly be right there as well just because that is part of the college experience and riot/march/chant or whatever experiences dont exactly happen often. I cant blame them, eventhough the reasoning is cloudy to say the least.

Im also hearing now that the board of trustees will let Paterno coach the rest of the year, and former PA governor and the first director of homeland security, Tom Ridge, is being considered as the new president for Penn State. Very suprised, on both levels.

Sorry for all the updates, but this has gathered nearly all my attention the last few days and Ive been the only person trying to talk actual NCAA football anyway.

[Penny Lane]

I'd heard CNN announced he'll coach through the end of the season.
Going to be weird on Saturday...

[Tracy 2112]

this is a pretty cool story:

Tennessee grabs last-second kicker off his frat house couch

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Tennessee-grabs-last-second-kicker-off-his-frat-?urn=ncaaf-wp9443

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

Tom Ridge? Seriously? Ugh.

Not surprised that Joe will retire. His contract was up, and he's burned through a lot of good will with the board since they tried to push him out a few years back.

As weird as Saturday is going to be, I can't imagine how hard it would be for the players if they happened to be playing at Nebraska.

Regarding people congregating outside Paterno's house, I'm a little surprised there isn't a mob outside Sandusky's house with axes, guns, pitchforks, torches, etc. Street justice must be more prevalent here in the city rather than out there in Centre County.

[pawpaw]

Regarding people congregating outside Paterno's house, I'm a little surprised there isn't a mob outside Sandusky's house with axes, guns, pitchforks, torches, etc. Street justice must be more prevalent here in the city rather than out there in Centre County.

I think some of you city boys should make a road trip, serve Sandusky up some Philly street justice. Fucker's out on bail - go get him. 

[YouAre_GivenToFly]

Regarding people congregating outside Paterno's house, I'm a little surprised there isn't a mob outside Sandusky's house with axes, guns, pitchforks, torches, etc. Street justice must be more prevalent here in the city rather than out there in Centre County.

I think some of you city boys should make a road trip, serve Sandusky up some Philly street justice. Fucker's out on bail - go get him. 

A few years ago a 12 year old girl got raped in an alley. The guy was caught on survelliance tape which was publicized, and was recognized in the neighborhood. A few days later someone pointed him out on the street, and within seconds there were at least a dozen people holding him down and beating him. He got beat pretty badly, and it was caught on tape as well, but no charges were ever pressed against any of the "arresting citizens". The system works.

[bowl of soup]

The timeline of this thing is the most troubling aspect for Paterno.  Think about this.  Sandusky is his #1 assistant, largely responsible for "Linebacker U", architect of 2 national championship defenses, and viewed as the heir apparent.  In 1991 University of Maryland comes calling and wants to interview Sandusky for the head job - he declines the interview to stay on at Penn State and waits to ascend to his dream job.

Well, now its 1997 and it is now becoming apparent that Paterno is never going to leave Penn State and the Maryland job opens up again.  Sandusky actively pursues the job - pretty natural fit; same recruiting area, Paterno's name will carry weight in recruiting, etc.  Maryland goes in a different direction.

1998 - Sandusky gets busted showering with a boy, admits to it, and somehow criminal charges are not brought.  1999 - Sandusky retires at age 55.

Something happened here.  A guy who is actively pursuing head jobs one year up and retires the next at age 55?!  Really?  Are you going to tell me that this didn't strike Paterno as at least a little odd?  Or, even worse, are you going to really have me believe that Paterno didn't know about the 1998 incident?

And that pep rally last night?  Come on Joe.  "The victims, or whatever they want to say..." Go now.

[Ruckus]

The timeline of this thing is the most troubling aspect for Paterno.  Think about this.  Sandusky is his #1 assistant, largely responsible for "Linebacker U", architect of 2 national championship defenses, and viewed as the heir apparent.  In 1991 University of Maryland comes calling and wants to interview Sandusky for the head job - he declines the interview to stay on at Penn State and waits to ascend to his dream job.

Well, now its 1997 and it is now becoming apparent that Paterno is never going to leave Penn State and the Maryland job opens up again.  Sandusky actively pursues the job - pretty natural fit; same recruiting area, Paterno's name will carry weight in recruiting, etc.  Maryland goes in a different direction.

1998 - Sandusky gets busted showering with a boy, admits to it, and somehow criminal charges are not brought.  1999 - Sandusky retires at age 55.

Something happened here.  A guy who is actively pursuing head jobs one year up and retires the next at age 55?!  Really?  Are you going to tell me that this didn't strike Paterno as at least a little odd?  Or, even worse, are you going to really have me believe that Paterno didn't know about the 1998 incident?

And that pep rally last night?  Come on Joe.  "The victims, or whatever they want to say..." Go now.

Broken down like a true attorney  ;)  All this is unnecessary.  With power and prestige comes the devaluation of any and all things around them (beneath them).  Joe Pa knew.  Oh how empty his statement today sounds.  Oh really?!  You regret it now?!  Out now.  I'm sorry PSU'ers.  Everyone will be served by this ending now and starting anew.  Joe Pa's just lucky he's done enough for his "community" to avoid worse.  All it tells me is that all his civic work until now was for him, not for the "beneficiaries."