have to get this off my chest

[smhoffmann02]

Darkglow, you are right on.  100%.  It's not a matter of you getting old - age is irrelevant. 

As an old guy, I respectively disagree with this, mainly b/c it's not the old farts raising hell at shows. 10 years ago I was much more inclined to get in the krunk and mix it up, and I still do from time to time. But overall I lean towards being out of the krunk and enjoying the music and lights. I think we mellow a bit as we age, especially if you spend years going ape shit crazy at shows. Some nights, I just don't want to hassle with beer being spilled on me, cigarettes being waved in my face and feet being stepped on. As a youngster, I was down for that whenever. Not so much anymore.  :)

Hmmm, perhaps I've just never been one to act like that or enjoy watching others act that way.  Don't get me wrong, I've definitely had a little too much to drink and rocked out with my bad self, but puking on myself, peeing on myself, blowing smoke in others faces, throwing shit at people, etc. - uh, no.  But I appreciate your respectfully disagreeing.  :)

[e_wind]

get in the krunk and mix it up

;D

[ryno11111]

I went to the Atlanta show this weekend and unfortunately experienced a lot of the same problems you all mention.  Nothing against Atlanta, as I have had plenty of great concert experiences there, but this was the most disrespectful/douchebag abundant crowds I have seen.  It was a combination of things that bothered me.  The incessant talking, constant texting & video recording, overwhelming drunkenness, extended make-out sessions, and worst of all those god forsaken glow sticks.  Those assholes weren't just tossing them playfully at the band, they were winding up and hurling Nolan Ryan fastballs.  I was bobbing and weaving in the pit the entire night hoping not to have an eyeball poked out.

This was somewhere between my 15th and 20th Jacket show and unfortunately I won't really look back on it fondly.  Nothing against the band or their performance.  They gave it 110% as usual.  I have always felt that the best thing about an MMJ show is the communal spirit and being around genuine people with an interest in the band, the music, & all the fans who feel the same way.  There will always be jerks in a crowd, but in the past I have felt the number of good people significantly outweighed the bad.  This was the first time I haven't felt that way.

end rant. 

[e_wind]

i agree with most everything said in here. the Lexington show this year sucked. they were there for their spring concert, not for MMJ, which is okay I guess... but it was BY FAR the most unenthused crowd I've seen at ANY show before the encore. barely anyone was cheering for more.


to defend the classic phrase "dont judge a book by its cover" however, I was shocked at tuscaloosa. It wasn't the best crowd, but I was shocked at how awesome they turned out to be. It was the youngest crowd, by far, that i've seen at an MMJ show. (not to mention the sourthern frat crowd was abundent.) then when jacket started I was surprised by how into they all were. I was in the back of the pit and there was a lot of talking, but thats almost expected at the back of the pit. there were also definitely a lot of people there that got on my nerves, but so much less than i initially expected. I was terrified of the crowd during phosphorescent and neko, but they 180ed. maybe it just reminded my of the nightmare that was my time at a major southern college (ole miss)

[Jon T.]

i agree with most everything said in here. the Lexington show this year sucked. they were there for their spring concert, not for MMJ, which is okay I guess... but it was BY FAR the most unenthused crowd I've seen at ANY show before the encore. barely anyone was cheering for more.


to defend the classic phrase "dont judge a book by its cover" however, I was shocked at tuscaloosa. It wasn't the best crowd, but I was shocked at how awesome they turned out to be. It was the youngest crowd, by far, that i've seen at an MMJ show. (not to mention the sourthern frat crowd was abundent.) then when jacket started I was surprised by how into they all were. I was in the back of the pit and there was a lot of talking, but thats almost expected at the back of the pit. there were also definitely a lot of people there that got on my nerves, but so much less than i initially expected. I was terrified of the crowd during phosphorescent and neko, but they 180ed. maybe it just reminded my of the nightmare that was my time at a major southern college (ole miss)

I completely agree about the Tuscaloosa crowd.  I had my expectations fairly low, but was pleasantly surprised.   Maybe I was just in a good spot, but I have no complaints about the crowd.  Wait... if I didn't notice any annoying people, does that mean I was the annoying one???  uh oh   :-\

[Sweet Nothing]

This problem occurred to me at night 4 of T5.

This one guy (or douche bag I should say) was ferociously swinging his arms around and bumping into other people trying to watch the show. After being confronted by many fans, this man simply said "If you don't like it, then go watch the show from somewhere else!" He didn't change his ways and continuously tried starting a mosh pitt.

This other guy tried crowd surfing during the encore. After traveling about 5 feet in the air, this guy fell flat on his face. The man shot right back in the air and screamed "Yeah!!" and was searching for high 5's. Others, and myself included shot this guy a dirty look and made him feel like an asshole.

The same guy mentioned above, kept shouting "Cover Pearl Jam you pussies! They made you famous!" Every time he shouted that I wanted to turn around and slap him in the face. As soon as the band went into "Oh Sweet Nuthin!" this fellow turned to me and asked me "Who sings this song?" It was at this moment I realized that douche bags attend MMJ shows and they suck.

My hopes is that Roll Call will separate the die-hards and phonies. When MMJ becomes the biggest band in the world (and trust me one day they will), the die hards will have the best seats in the house and the most pleasant experience. All the assholes will be sitting in the upper tier and can talk amongst themselves.

I know exactly what you are talking about on night 4 of t5 someone said play pearl jam and a friend i was with was like shut up with that Pearl Jam crap this is MMJ!!  I think i was right in the center of the little pit in the center of the floor area and was getting pumped around for a bit but just went with it for the short time they were hopping up and down.  Believe that he may have encouraged other to get rowdy as well so i appologize on behalf of my friend cause he just doesn't care sometimes when he is really rocking out.  Noticed that guy TRY to crowd surf but no one wanted any part of that and he did fall straight to the ground.  I don't lke the mosh pit thing for Jacket shows but it hardly happens at least at the shows that i have attened.

Hoping for a great show in Philly minus the douchebags of course, and yes students in college are starting to arrive for school and think this may have contributed to the maddness of the experiences some of you had during these shows.   Lets keep it friendly and respectful for the Philly show and rock out hard but not to the point where we are distracting others from watching their favorite live band.

Hope to see you fine people at the show in Philly and enjoy it without the douches!

[JaneCool]

Hoping for a great show in Philly minus the douchebags of course, and yes students in college are starting to arrive for school and think this man have contributed to the maddness of the experiences some of you had during these shows.   Lets keep it friendly and respectful for the Philly show and rock out hard but not to the point where we are distracting others from watching their favorite live band.

Hope to see you fine people at the show in Philly and enjoy it without the douches!

It seems like many of us here have seats in the pit area (which is not very big at all) or at least in the first few rows of orchestra so I think this is a good bet!  :)

[Sweet Nothing]

Hoping for a great show in Philly minus the douchebags of course, and yes students in college are starting to arrive for school and think this man have contributed to the maddness of the experiences some of you had during these shows.   Lets keep it friendly and respectful for the Philly show and rock out hard but not to the point where we are distracting others from watching their favorite live band.

Hope to see you fine people at the show in Philly and enjoy it without the douches!

It seems like many of us here have seats in the pit area (which is not very big at all) or at least in the first few rows of orchestra so I think this is a good bet!  :)

I wish i was near the pit with you great people but i am going to be in Orch B row A so won't be as close to most of the forum folks that have the pit seated section or the A Orch section however i am happy with row A Orch B so i have the space to dance around a bit!! ;D

[celi]

In fact this twit behind me had her back turned most of the time.

I think we were right by you. Was the girl in question a heavyset one (very heavy actually)? I made remarks to my wife and brother how she spent more time with her back to the show then facing it.

As a whole I've been in worse pits...thought this one was pretty tame with very few invading your space that you already had. We had plenty of friendly people in our immediate area and had a great vibe.

We were at the rail, just a hair more stage-right from Carl, and this girl could not not been older than 20 I think. Wasn't heavyset, had on a long dress, and (go figure)... a glow-stick headband. You may have seen her, her friends and boyfriend - they were the ones the bouncer spent most of the time with because they kept lighting up. Almost spilled a beer on my head, and we had to have some words.
Anyhoo, I should also point out that there were some really good folks there too. Emily from Nashville, Jamie who saw his 13th show, the girls from Chattanooga, and all of the other people from Nashville whose names I didn't get! I felt like we had a likeminded community down at the rail... a sweet lil douchbag-deflecting community!

[BigHerm]

Anyhoo, I should also point out that there were some really good folks there too. Emily from Nashville

:o, where were you on the rail?  My fiance is Emily from Nashville, but I don't think it was her. We were on Carls side close to the edge of the stage.

[celi]

Anyhoo, I should also point out that there were some really good folks there too. Emily from Nashville

:o, where were you on the rail?  My fiance is Emily from Nashville, but I don't think it was her. We were on Carls side close to the edge of the stage.

We were a little closer in to the center near Carl. If we're talking about the same Emily, we had a smoke and chatted in the smoking spot for a bit after Neko. I think she said that she was standing in that vicinity, so probably the same! How funny.

[BigHerm]

Ha yea, that was her. Small world. 

[Luna Moth]

heeeyy man its all about positivity which is very contagious, as is negativity, i was pit close left middle and had zero problems. it should be expected in a 12000 person venue in ATL that there would be yapping during Dondante and nudging people to get close after we waited all day.. mentally prepared for that one.

heck i had to talk some during slow tune (keeping it somewhat discreet) because the show was just so fucking great and its the only time you can hear anyone.
it boils down to the band growing and more young people getting hopped up on mdma than in the past, even the actual song Dondante has gotten more vamped up compared to older tours.

its allllll good bro if you dont like the people around you move around, you know Yimmy feels the presence of a good fan so he'll see ya. sorry the music scene in general is changing man but if jim and the band can ignore the chatter and even embrace the drunk idiots so should the fans.

edit: fucking greeeaat show and setlist by the way

[celi]

"a room full of people with all of their hearts beating, and all of their thoughts and feelings... and you're part of it, you're not just you, you're part of a group of people..."
-Jeff Tweedy, Wilco
there's more, just listen.
might not change everybody's view, but maybe a few. this music deserves more fans that feel like this. end rant.
Jeff Tweedy - People Talking During Concert

[sweatboard]

 There were some guys talking during Golden in Charlotte and I just looked back at them and gave them my most innocent heartfelt "shush" sign and they didn't get pissed, didn't continue to talk, just got quiet (thank you for not kicking my ass).  After the song was over I gave one of them a thank you and a hug.  They handled the whole situation so well and I like to think they actually enjoyed the song.  I understand that people work hard all week long, they get off work, rush to get ready for a concert, have a few drinks, they're with their friends, happy, the music and the vibes are nice, they get chatty, it happens.  I just feel really good about how these guys reacted to my request.  I've had to catch myself before and I would not at all be pissed if someone gave me the shush sign.

I've always thought Jeff was so well spoken in the video above.  There's always time to talk before and after the show.  If not step to the side.  Simple     

[sweatboard]

I was a little concerned that people were having lengthy conversations during Neko's set and my wife told me that I needed to chill, "it was just the opening band".  I'm not sure if there is a different protocol for the opening band.  I do know that I've been known to talk during an opening bands set before, but I really wanted to hear Neko and not some friends "catching up" behind me.  But, I'm sure they probably didn't give a shit about Neko (even though it's insane that that voice comes from just some normal human standing in front of you) and wanted to secure the spot for MMJ while chilling with their friends and having a few beers.     

I just try and navigate my way to safe waters in a crowd, and enjoy the show.  If I'm able to dry butt hump the person in front of me to the beat, it's just a bonus.........for them  ;)       

[DejaView2011]

I just try and navigate my way to safe waters in a crowd, and enjoy the show.  If I'm able to dry butt hump the person in front of me to the beat, it's just a bonus.........for them  ;)     

So, That was you in Charlotte??? LOL