Red Rocks?!?!?!

[Seeker]

In 2006 Pearl Jam was "co-headliner" with Tom Petty for a few shows, as part of Petty's 30th anniversary tour.  PJ opened and played 75 minutes, while Petty played 2 hours. PJ fans were not happy with that, but it helped sell out Pepsi Center for two nights.

I don't think MMJ sold out last year, or it did on the last day. So calling BOH a "co-headliner" would help sales. It lets BOH fans know they re getting more than the typical 45 minute opening slot.

Charles

[Seeker]

OTOH I recall two nights at Red Rocks when the co-headliners were the Allman Bros and String Cheese Incident. They took turns opening for each other.  Those were epic shows going 4-5 hours combined.

Charles

[solace]

In 2006 Pearl Jam was "co-headliner" with Tom Petty for a few shows, as part of Petty's 30th anniversary tour.  PJ opened and played 75 minutes, while Petty played 2 hours. PJ fans were not happy with that, but it helped sell out Pepsi Center for two nights.

I don't think MMJ sold out last year, or it did on the last day. So calling BOH a "co-headliner" would help sales. It lets BOH fans know they re getting more than the typical 45 minute opening slot.

Charles

yup... i went to the 2 St. Paul Petty/PJ shows, just the example i was thinking of.

[e_wind]

Christine made a solid point that I think the members of BOH would even agree with. Who wants to see then insane entity that is a Jacket show ending with one big holiday and then watch BoH. I like BOH, but no one wants to have to go on after jacket. It'd be like going on in the talent show after Susan Boyle or something.

Also, jacket has been around for 13 or so years building a extremely loyal following based on their epic live show. BOH has been around for half the time and built their success on a few singles. I don't think anyone can argue that BOH has the drawing power of jacket, no matter how many Facebook likes or airtime they get. About 18 months ago BOH played the brown theater in louisville (tiny venue) and a month later MMJ damn near sold out the Yum Center  i know hometown advantage, but  still that says something. And I don't think jacket would do a multi night run at an epic venue and not play last.

Of course, I could be eating all these words in a few weeks. We'll see.

[Seeker]

One more thing- Phish is playing Dick's Sporting Goods Park near Denver over Labor Day weekend, so they might want to stay away from those dates.

Charles

[Penny Lane]

i don't want to take away anything from BOH..i absolutely LOVE all 3 albums...

reminds me of when Jimi Hendrix first came out and The Who found out they had to follow him at the (Monterey Fest i think it was?)...they didn't WANT TO...yikes...

[zanjam]

One more thing- Phish is playing Dick's Sporting Goods Park near Denver over Labor Day weekend, so they might want to stay away from those dates.

Charles

You're so right.  8/3-4 makes sense, esp with east coast dates 2 wks later.  Makes me hopeful for end July CA dates then they swing east.

[solace]

Christine made a solid point that I think the members of BOH would even agree with. Who wants to see then insane entity that is a Jacket show ending with one big holiday and then watch BoH. I like BOH, but no one wants to have to go on after jacket. It'd be like going on in the talent show after Susan Boyle or something.

Also, jacket has been around for 13 or so years building a extremely loyal following based on their epic live show. BOH has been around for half the time and built their success on a few singles. I don't think anyone can argue that BOH has the drawing power of jacket, no matter how many Facebook likes or airtime they get. About 18 months ago BOH played the brown theater in louisville (tiny venue) and a month later MMJ damn near sold out the Yum Center  i know hometown advantage, but  still that says something. And I don't think jacket would do a multi night run at an epic venue and not play last.

Of course, I could be eating all these words in a few weeks. We'll see.

oh i don't think ANYONE was saying that BoH would ever play after MMJ, simply that they'd get a longer/nearly headlining length set for them :). but yes, to clarify, MMJ will def play last at the shows with BoH (not even sure the entire run is with them or not yet actually).

no question that live show wise, MMJ still outdraw BoH probably 2:1, maybe even 3:1 in many markets.

that said, i do think if it's known ahead of ticket onsales, that if Band of Horses are getting 60-75+ minutes, that would entice a lot more BoH fans who might not be the biggest MMJ fans from paying the $35-50+.

[e_wind]

that is definitely true. I was really impressed with BoH at MSG in december, but not impressed with them at all a year earlier at a headlining show. That said, if BoH did for some insane reason play last, I would consider going to another run of shows like mann>marriweather>NYC or something.

obviously, were all gigantic mmj freaks around here, so i'm trying to say anything to convince myself everything will go the way we want. i realize thats selfish.

[solace]

that is definitely true. I was really impressed with BoH at MSG in december, but not impressed with them at all a year earlier at a headlining show. That said, if BoH did for some insane reason play last, I would consider going to another run of shows like mann>marriweather>NYC or something.

obviously, were all gigantic mmj freaks around here, so i'm trying to say anything to convince myself everything will go the way we want. i realize thats selfish.

i've seen BoH a bunch over the years, and sadly they used to be very hit or miss with the various lineup changes, etc. The original lineup with Mat Brooke was certainly my favorite, but saw just an AWFUl show @ First Avenue in 2007 or so? Ben just complained about the monitors the entire show and it ruined the entire vibe. thankfully their show a week or two later at the Fillmore in SF was fantastic.

by all accounts the new (and fairly stable) live lineup has lead to a lot more consistent shows the last few years (i've not seen them since Lolla in 2009) with Pearl Jam, MMJ, etc.

[Penny Lane]

well i think the term co-headlining implies they'd be switching the order back and forth and playing for the same amount of time...which won't and shouldn't be happening..not sure which venues where BOH would get 75 minutes..logistically probably isn't possible at a lot of the venues...maybe Red Rocks and some others..

[Seeker]

i don't want to take away anything from BOH..i absolutely LOVE all 3 albums...

reminds me of when Jimi Hendrix first came out and The Who found out they had to follow him at the (Monterey Fest i think it was?)...they didn't WANT TO...yikes...

Pete was a huge Hendrix fan. He and Clapton were blown away watching him in in England. AFAIK, the dispute was over Hendrix burning and smashing his guitar at the end of his performance (which he did at Monterrey). The equipment smashing was pretty standard for The Who in 1967 and Pete felt it would make them look like they were copying Jimi. Both bands were new to the west coast. Pete is never consistent with his stories, so I am looking forward to the latest version of this incident in his new Bio in October.

No one ever wanted to follow The Who.

[solace]

well i think the term co-headlining implies they'd be switching the order back and forth and playing for the same amount of time...which won't and shouldn't be happening..not sure which venues where BOH would get 75 minutes..logistically probably isn't possible at a lot of the venues...maybe Red Rocks and some others..

not always tho... i've seen plenty of co-headlining tours (such as the Petty/PJ one above) where while it's billed as a co-headlining slot, the obviously larger band still always played last, they just both got as much time as they normally would.

and honestly... while MMJ are known for 2+ hours, BoH rarely hit 90-100 minutes in my experience (that could have changed the last tour), so 60-75 min for them isn't far off. i'd just be bummed to have them only get 45 minutes, as they're a pretty established band and one whom I love at least 75 min worth of their material (likely a bit more).

[Penny Lane]

i don't want to take away anything from BOH..i absolutely LOVE all 3 albums...

reminds me of when Jimi Hendrix first came out and The Who found out they had to follow him at the (Monterey Fest i think it was?)...they didn't WANT TO...yikes...

Pete was a huge Hendrix fan. He and Clapton were blown away watching him in in England. AFAIK, the dispute was over Hendrix burning and smashing his guitar at the end of his performance (which he did at Monterrey). The equipment smashing was pretty standard for The Who in 1967 and Pete felt it would make them look like they were copying Jimi. Both bands were new to the west coast. Pete is never consistent with his stories, so I am looking forward to the latest version of this incident in his new Bio in October.

No one ever wanted to follow The Who.

YES! that's the story...thanks, Seeker..not even a good analogy but wanted to bring it up..

[TEO]

Penny talk Jimi? Jimi fired opening Monkees right?

[ericm]

Penny talk Jimi? Jimi fired opening Monkees right?

Teo speak fire,must be true. ;)

[Stevie]

1.  I can't think of any scenario in which Band of Horses would go after My Morning Jacket.  It's a silly thing to worry about, really.  There's just no chance.  But given a longer set?  That makes sense.

2.  Solace, are you saying that there will be a Jacket show in Minneapolis?  I may have missed it but can you say when?  And if so is this separate from the festival?

3.  What a glorious, glorious summer for music. 

4.  There was talk earlier in the thread about Austin City Limits.  Is it pretty much a forgone conclusion that they'll be there?

[MrWhippy]

4.  There was talk earlier in the thread about Austin City Limits.  Is it pretty much a forgone conclusion that they'll be there?

MMJ was one of the headliners at Austin City Limits last year.  I don't think they ever repeat headliners two years in a row, so I think it is a foregone conclusion that MMJ would not be there this year.

[Soulshine]

Last year, what kinda seats did Roll Call get? Were they assigned, or was it first 20 rows GA kinda thing?

i think we all got GA and then were the first people in; once we were in, they wrist banded the first few rows so we could roam around and not have to worry (they were very strict about who they let back into those first few rows.) thanks to crazylove having a yellow rain jacket and pretending to be security and soulshine's gimp going on, we had mastered the entrance/security issues.

I've still got the boot.

[tdb810]

Last year, what kinda seats did Roll Call get? Were they assigned, or was it first 20 rows GA kinda thing?

i think we all got GA and then were the first people in; once we were in, they wrist banded the first few rows so we could roam around and not have to worry (they were very strict about who they let back into those first few rows.) thanks to crazylove having a yellow rain jacket and pretending to be security and soulshine's gimp going on, we had mastered the entrance/security issues.

I've still got the boot.

Soulshine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You still have the boot? What????