Annoying Concert Behavior

[Ruckus]

This seems to be an endless debate and I really do get both sides.  If I had to choose, I would side with Dylan's policy every time.  I get into the moment at shows intensely and while half the time my head is down grooving without even looking up at the stage, when I do, I'm not a huge fan of the glowing lights and arms up.  Another forum member posted a number of excellent vids from a recent show I attended and many were excited to view them.  Unfortunately he stood right in front of me the entire show and I'm 5' 7" on a good day so it detracted quite a bit from my show experience.

Conversely, for those that live further from areas that get shows on a regular basis, I get the joy of seeing footage of shows you can't get to.  With the forever exponential growth of technology, it will be a year when everyone will be walking in with google goggles filming hi def video from their exact viewpoint without holding up an iphone.  Those will inevitably be banned but they won't be able to take the nano camera embedded in my pupil in 2019 when my friends will be watching my 3D feed in their living room that I am streaming to them.

Just try to remember to turn off the camera feed when you hit the restroom... We really don't need a 3D feed of that!!

That's what I meant by streaming. :/

[Fully]

This seems to be an endless debate and I really do get both sides.  If I had to choose, I would side with Dylan's policy every time.  I get into the moment at shows intensely and while half the time my head is down grooving without even looking up at the stage, when I do, I'm not a huge fan of the glowing lights and arms up.  Another forum member posted a number of excellent vids from a recent show I attended and many were excited to view them.  Unfortunately he stood right in front of me the entire show and I'm 5' 7" on a good day so it detracted quite a bit from my show experience.

Conversely, for those that live further from areas that get shows on a regular basis, I get the joy of seeing footage of shows you can't get to.  With the forever exponential growth of technology, it will be a year when everyone will be walking in with google goggles filming hi def video from their exact viewpoint without holding up an iphone.  Those will inevitably be banned but they won't be able to take the nano camera embedded in my pupil in 2019 when my friends will be watching my 3D feed in their living room that I am streaming to them.

Just try to remember to turn off the camera feed when you hit the restroom... We really don't need a 3D feed of that!!

That's what I meant by streaming. :/

I thought you said steaming.

[MrWhippy]

I thought you said steaming.

You never cease to amaze me, my dear.

[Penny Lane]

This seems to be an endless debate and I really do get both sides.  If I had to choose, I would side with Dylan's policy every time.  I get into the moment at shows intensely and while half the time my head is down grooving without even looking up at the stage, when I do, I'm not a huge fan of the glowing lights and arms up.  Another forum member posted a number of excellent vids from a recent show I attended and many were excited to view them.  Unfortunately he stood right in front of me the entire show and I'm 5' 7" on a good day so it detracted quite a bit from my show experience.

Conversely, for those that live further from areas that get shows on a regular basis, I get the joy of seeing footage of shows you can't get to.  With the forever exponential growth of technology, it will be a year when everyone will be walking in with google goggles filming hi def video from their exact viewpoint without holding up an iphone.  Those will inevitably be banned but they won't be able to take the nano camera embedded in my pupil in 2019 when my friends will be watching my 3D feed in their living room that I am streaming to them.

Just try to remember to turn off the camera feed when you hit the restroom... We really don't need a 3D feed of that!!

That's what I meant by streaming. :/

I thought you said steaming.

there's nothing i hate worse than Cleveland streaming

[Colfax]

I thought you said steaming.

Thanks for coming in today

[Jennielynn]

I would like to add obnoxiously singing every word to every song. Especially at a MMJ show because they usually are signing the wrong shit. 

I am at the shows to have fun which for me includes dancing and SINGING! People can be annoying when you are trying to watch a show but I feel you have 2 choices, leave or appeal to them possible responding positively to the request, I have a feeling the responses would surprise you. Life is to short to be angry about such small things.....enjoy the shows! P.s. I will never stop singing.....

[Fully]

I would like to add obnoxiously singing every word to every song. Especially at a MMJ show because they usually are signing the wrong shit. 

I am at the shows to have fun which for me includes dancing and SINGING! People can be annoying when you are trying to watch a show but I feel you have 2 choices, leave or appeal to them possible responding positively to the request, I have a feeling the responses would surprise you. Life is to short to be angry about such small things.....enjoy the shows! P.s. I will never stop singing.....

Nice to meet you Jennielynn. I believe this is the first time I've seen your name on here. Welcome to the boards.

[Jennielynn]

I would like to add obnoxiously singing every word to every song. Especially at a MMJ show because they usually are signing the wrong shit. 

I am at the shows to have fun which for me includes dancing and SINGING! People can be annoying when you are trying to watch a show but I feel you have 2 choices, leave or appeal to them possible responding positively to the request, I have a feeling the responses would surprise you. Life is to short to be angry about such small things.....enjoy the shows! P.s. I will never stop singing.....

Nice to meet you Jennielynn. I believe this is the first time I've seen your name on here. Welcome to the boards.

Thank you.

[ruralt]

Hate to be "that guy" that digs up a years-old thread but I stumbled on this by accident and I have to say after the shit I experienced at Red Rocks over the weekend this thread has been like therapy to me. I didn't get pissed on, though, thankfully.

Not going to go into all the details as I'm trying to treat it as a positive learning experience and I was thankful to have been there at all, but I will say that people who think it's acceptable to go more than one person deep in the aisles at RR can eat a bag of dicks. Not just at the Jacket shows, either. Was there for the Lips show on Thursday and despite having reserved seating I ended up two seats down from my own by the time the show was about to start, which made it even more thrilling when the people on my right finally showed up for their seats.

It just amazes me how much people can lack self-awareness and not consider any other collections of atoms nearby. Not sure what you have been told, but your dad wasn't a good glass maker, and I don't want peek over your shoulder the entire time, or have your ass in my face while The Barr Brothers play "Shine On You Crazy Diamond." If you and your fifteen friends needed a large chunk of space to accommodate yourselves, then you should've got there early like I did. I don't give a shit about your Jim James meme button.

That being said, I did get to hear "The Dark," finally, even if I didn't technically see it, so that made the entire weekend worth it. I will be back, Red Rocks. I am damned and determined to find the spot that's right for me. (At this point I'm thinking it's either on one of the planters or directly behind the soundboard.)

[JacketJayhawk]

You are not alone in your thinking on this and certainly saw a lot of it Sunday night. Two groups tried to sit in our reserved seats and one set of 3 teen girls tried to convince our group that our row 33 reserved seating was the same as GA and refused to leave. They were probably not true Jacket Fans, probably punk teen girls just out at RR for a good time. I tried being nice in a Jim Zen sort of way...but the show was about to start so, maybe I was not soo nice after it was all said and done...after security booted them out he turned to me and said "bitches". I don't feel bad. I got these tix on presale...and if you can squeeze 2 in one seat and not impede on my fist pumping and my view, I am ok with it but this notion that you can just bum rush the front right before the show goes on is a problem at RR. All said and done, you could not kill my mood/vibe...what a set of shows. Truly magical! Still humming Throwback in my head

[Jbpats]

Had reserved 36 on Sunday night and also saw a lot of this, although it didn't bother me all that much.
Folks respected my space, but in my surrounding areas there was a lot of doubling up.. It was only a real pain in the ass when I had to run to the bathroom, it was like a friggin gauntlet.. lots of bobbin' and weavin'

That being said I think the bathroom situation at Red Rocks was my most annoying part of the weekend. Being in row 36 was no picnic, either up 40 flights or down 40 flights, there should really be something for the folks in the middle.

[Stevie]

After doing red rocks a number of times ive come to realize that some people are just going to be rude about your space and if you have to be a little bit of an asshole to.fix the situation its really on them, not you.

That said, i felt the crowd was pretty good in other ways as most people were very quiet during the acoustic songs and during the quiet moments in dondante. 

[walterfredo]

Sunday night must have been the night of A-holes.  To the group in Row 34 seats 109-110ish, y'all suck. Stay classy. Didn't let it detract from the face-melting, but figure it out people.

[Shug]

We saw two nights of Wilco at Red Rocks in 2013, I think, and the two nights of Jacket in 2012 and just based on that admittedly small sample size, I've come to the conclusion that there are more assholes at Red Rocks than many venues I've been to over many years of seeing shows.

I dig the extra wide rows at Red Rocks, but it does allow people to cram in where they don't really deserve to be (in someone else's reserved spot or coming in to GA last minute to crowd out people who waited a long time to get that spot) and that can become a problem.

At the Wilco show, one drunk bitch would not let it go, trying to get me to interact with her while LD (my wife) was right next to me.  She kept talking to me and grabbing my hand.  I tried to be polite and positive and not kill the vibe.  I asked her to only talk to me between songs if she had something to say so that I could enjoy the music.  When that didn't work, I asked her to just stop talking to me all together.  She wanted me to cup my hands to my ears to make it sound better like she was doing.  When that didn't work and she started to get belligerent, I asked some of her friends to intervene.  When that didn't work, we moved down the row.  This chick just kept coming after us and finally started laying into LD there was almost a fight, LD would have kicked her ass but she showed restraint, even though this bitch basically killed the vibe and ruined the encore with drunken hostility.  I think this group was a bunch of locals who just go to Red Rocks no matter who is playing, and it seems like a lot of locals  just go to party, not because they want to listen to the band and they act entitled to do whatever the fuck they want.  Its never been that bad at any other venue I've been to.

I'm not that interested in going back to Red Rocks after those experiences and also just the whole experience of trying to get the good GA seats and the massive early entry lines and all that.  I'll take the Wiltern in LA or the Masonic in SF, smaller indoor venues that just don't seem to attract that kind of crowd.

[Santo]

I love this thread. Had a blast both nights, but it is great to commiserate. I don't think we have been to any show at the Red Rocks where we didn't have some sort of seat crasher problem. For us Saturday was worse than Sunday. I went to go buy some merch, and in the meantime about dozen people moved into the two seats next to my wife. They were polite, but oblivious. When I got back we were about five seats down from where we placed our backpack/poster. We were crammed in with the nice folks to our right. Finally, she just bulldozed her way through to grab the bag and they scattered.

I'm a tall guy and my wife is short. At most concerts my height becomes a topic of conversation with the folks behind me. I try to conscious of where I stand and let the people behind me know that I'm willing to move as best I can to help them out. That being said, one of my biggest pet peeves are people who stand on the bench instead of the floor in front. It blocks the view for people three to four rows back, who then either stand on their seat or deal with it. I felt bad for a guy in the VIP, the person in front of him was a good 6 inches taller and did this. The shorter guy never asked the guy to move and spent most of Sunday bobbing and weaving. 

[gardenparty]

Yeah, it is pretty common at Red Rocks. 

I don't understand why they have a GA, then reserved section, then GA section.  It should be one or the other or handled differently

[Lonndown27]

it should just be seats...that'd solve that problem REALLY QUICK. And for the people, like us, who want nothing more than to enjoy the Jacket with our friends and families, however high or drunk we may be as well, we're at least not doing what these "people" have been doing: crowding tiny areas, doubling  tripling if not quadrupling up on each seat....sounds so unfair.

BUT...just go to security and get them the fuck out of there. No need to be a narc or to ruin someone's good time, BUT IF THEY'RE HELL BENT ON RUINING YOUR VIBE, YOUR SHOW AND THE SEATS YOU PAID FOR, then don't pussyfoot and wait until halfway through MMJ's set and have to go get security during the unleashing of a big rarity, just get it over with as soon as you recognize what's going down and whether these people can be reasoned with or not.

Really really bummed to hear about the assholes / entitled locals who don't realize what greatness they have in that venue...show it some respect with your behavior, not puking all over the rocks and picking fights because a married man won't suddenly fall in love with you in front of thousands of people including his own wife...what did that lady expect? i don't use this word often, but she's a total bitch. I've seen this type of shit at shows.  Sorry Shug!

[Shug]

I hear ya, Lonn, and appreciate the commiseration.  You can't win, either way though, cuz even if you go get security, you miss a song and the vibe is temporarily down and all that.  If people would just not be dicks, that would be the best thing.  But what can ya do other that try to avoid them?  sometimes you can't even when you try to take the high road.

I admire and envy those folks who can rise above and not let it get to them.  That's kinda hard for me.

[sillyboob]

it should just be seats...that'd solve that problem REALLY QUICK. And for the people, like us, who want nothing more than to enjoy the Jacket with our friends and families, however high or drunk we may be as well, we're at least not doing what these "people" have been doing: crowding tiny areas, doubling  tripling if not quadrupling up on each seat....sounds so unfair.

BUT...just go to security and get them the fuck out of there. No need to be a narc or to ruin someone's good time, BUT IF THEY'RE HELL BENT ON RUINING YOUR VIBE, YOUR SHOW AND THE SEATS YOU PAID FOR, then don't pussyfoot and wait until halfway through MMJ's set and have to go get security during the unleashing of a big rarity, just get it over with as soon as you recognize what's going down and whether these people can be reasoned with or not.

Really really bummed to hear about the assholes / entitled locals who don't realize what greatness they have in that venue...show it some respect with your behavior, not puking all over the rocks and picking fights because a married man won't suddenly fall in love with you in front of thousands of people including his own wife...what did that lady expect? i don't use this word often, but she's a total bitch. I've seen this type of shit at shows.  Sorry Shug!

[Jbpats]

I can't for the life of me understand why Red Rocks doesn't use a assigned seats system.
There are rows, each row has seat numbers.. just make the whole venue assigned seats.

Or at the very least the front 30 rows assigned the back 40 GA with some clear divider between the two. This would at the very least alleviate some of the line stress people faced for GA... not as much of a rush when you're trying to get row 40 vs. row 2.
The current model doesn't make any sense to me.