MMJ to Tour with Dylan this summer

Started by markcel, Apr 19, 2013, 06:34 AM

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Shug

Also, just because one band goes on last doesn't necessarily mean they will play longer that night.  I would also prefer to have Wilco or MMJ go last, even if it doesn't mean they get a longer set.

Just a guess, but they might just all play the same length of time no matter the sequence. 
"Some like their water shallow, I like mine deep"

bartel

Quote from: Shug on May 09, 2013, 07:50 PM
Also, just because one band goes on last doesn't necessarily mean they will play longer that night.  I would also prefer to have Wilco or MMJ go last, even if it doesn't mean they get a longer set.

Just a guess, but they might just all play the same length of time no matter the sequence.

in that case what would be the point in rotating at all if the sets were the same length? they may aswell stay a set lineup every night if they were playing the same length but this is all speculation.

ericm

Quote from: Shug on May 09, 2013, 07:50 PM
Also, just because one band goes on last doesn't necessarily mean they will play longer that night.  I would also prefer to have Wilco or MMJ go last, even if it doesn't mean they get a longer set.

Just a guess, but they might just all play the same length of time no matter the sequence.

I don't know about that Shug. I'd tend to lean towards the closer getting a bit more time. Also, I'm not sure I'd want to be in the pit all night just to be in a great spot for MMJ if they got the same length set as a previous show. If it was a longer set that would be enough for me to do it, but if the sets are the same length regardless of when they play,I'd rather they opened. Probably be a lot easier to get a great spot if they opened.

"Where's Jim going?"

manonthemoon

Quote from: ericm on May 09, 2013, 08:05 PM
Quote from: Shug on May 09, 2013, 07:50 PM
Also, just because one band goes on last doesn't necessarily mean they will play longer that night.  I would also prefer to have Wilco or MMJ go last, even if it doesn't mean they get a longer set.

Just a guess, but they might just all play the same length of time no matter the sequence.

I don't know about that Shug. I'd tend to lean towards the closer getting a bit more time. Also, I'm not sure I'd want to be in the pit all night just to be in a great spot for MMJ if they got the same length set as a previous show. If it was a longer set that would be enough for me to do it, but if the sets are the same length regardless of when they play,I'd rather they opened. Probably be a lot easier to get a great spot if they opened.

Tend to agree there, if they headliner isn't getting a longer set then there is really no point in switching it up.  That way if Wilco and Dylan don't do it for me the first night i can just leave after Jacket plays the next time around.  I'm really hoping that the headliner does get a longer set though or maybe just a regular set time then they get an encore of 5 songs or so which would be nice. 
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EverythingChanges

Thanks for the input guys.

I decided to go with Cincinnati, since it is an hour closer to home, and because it is outside on the Ohio River.

The only downside is that I will probably see Dylan close this show if MMJ closes in Noblesville. 
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parkervb

Quote from: pjfan04101 on May 09, 2013, 07:17 PM
I would hope that the powers that be know that this is something that needs to be announced.  I know he's a legend and all, but I also know that he is touring with 2 of the absolute best live acts today.  If Dylan headlines every night, he could be playing to half empty venues.

Knowing if Wilco or MMJ are headlining makes a HUGE difference in whether or not I want to get tickets.  If one of those 2 headline in Mansfield, I would get a ticket immediately (my friend has 6 in the first 20 rows, but a $100 a pop).  If Dylan is headlining and we're looking at shortened sets from MMJ and Wilco, I probably pass.

i don't even think its a question that Dylan will close every show. 

1) his name is at the top of all the marketing.
2) he's Bob Dylan and I just can't see a situation where Wilco or Jacket would be ok with Dylan opening for THEM.  Too much respect for the man. 

I think we should expect no more than 75 minutes from Wilco/MMJ and about 90 minutes for Dylan with most shows ending around 10:30, 10:45. 

And, unfortunately, in most of these venues, i think they will be playing to much less than capacity.  the venue here in Va Beach is like 20k and I bet there won't be more than 8k there. 
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Fully

Quote from: parkervb on May 10, 2013, 10:10 AM
Quote from: pjfan04101 on May 09, 2013, 07:17 PM
I would hope that the powers that be know that this is something that needs to be announced.  I know he's a legend and all, but I also know that he is touring with 2 of the absolute best live acts today.  If Dylan headlines every night, he could be playing to half empty venues.

Knowing if Wilco or MMJ are headlining makes a HUGE difference in whether or not I want to get tickets.  If one of those 2 headline in Mansfield, I would get a ticket immediately (my friend has 6 in the first 20 rows, but a $100 a pop).  If Dylan is headlining and we're looking at shortened sets from MMJ and Wilco, I probably pass.

i don't even think its a question that Dylan will close every show. 

1) his name is at the top of all the marketing.
2) he's Bob Dylan and I just can't see a situation where Wilco or Jacket would be ok with Dylan opening for THEM.  Too much respect for the man. 

I think we should expect no more than 75 minutes from Wilco/MMJ and about 90 minutes for Dylan with most shows ending around 10:30, 10:45. 

And, unfortunately, in most of these venues, i think they will be playing to much less than capacity.  the venue here in Va Beach is like 20k and I bet there won't be more than 8k there.

But there was a jam bands article that's farther back in this thread that told us there would be rotating Headliners.

parkervb

Quote from: Fully on May 10, 2013, 10:20 AM
Quote from: parkervb on May 10, 2013, 10:10 AM
Quote from: pjfan04101 on May 09, 2013, 07:17 PM
I would hope that the powers that be know that this is something that needs to be announced.  I know he's a legend and all, but I also know that he is touring with 2 of the absolute best live acts today.  If Dylan headlines every night, he could be playing to half empty venues.

Knowing if Wilco or MMJ are headlining makes a HUGE difference in whether or not I want to get tickets.  If one of those 2 headline in Mansfield, I would get a ticket immediately (my friend has 6 in the first 20 rows, but a $100 a pop).  If Dylan is headlining and we're looking at shortened sets from MMJ and Wilco, I probably pass.

i don't even think its a question that Dylan will close every show. 

1) his name is at the top of all the marketing.
2) he's Bob Dylan and I just can't see a situation where Wilco or Jacket would be ok with Dylan opening for THEM.  Too much respect for the man. 

I think we should expect no more than 75 minutes from Wilco/MMJ and about 90 minutes for Dylan with most shows ending around 10:30, 10:45. 

And, unfortunately, in most of these venues, i think they will be playing to much less than capacity.  the venue here in Va Beach is like 20k and I bet there won't be more than 8k there.

But there was a jam bands article that's farther back in this thread that told us there would be rotating Headliners.

i've seen that and it states "they would likely rotate headliners".  Not exactly a firm statement.  Plus they hyperlink that statement like its going to go to an article that substantiates that claim but it just goes to another Jambands post that mentions nothing of the sort.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see. 
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joey_rogo

This rotating headliners thing comes as a surprise to me. Until confirmation, I'm assuming Dylan closes every show.

Plus, I'm only going to one show and if I find out MMJ closed the night before or will be closing the night after my show, I'll be hella pissed. Surely they would have to announce this sort of thing before tickets went on sale? How can leave people in the dark about such a thing?

ericm

Quote from: joey_rogo on May 10, 2013, 11:15 AM
This rotating headliners thing comes as a surprise to me. Until confirmation, I'm assuming Dylan closes every show.

Plus, I'm only going to one show and if I find out MMJ closed the night before or will be closing the night after my show, I'll be hella pissed. Surely they would have to announce this sort of thing before tickets went on sale? How can leave people in the dark about such a thing?

I hear you Joey. Until confirmation, I'm assuming the same.

A few years ago Steely Dan was doing a Beacon run. The first half of each show was an album and the 2nd half other tunes. They announced the albums for each night well before the onsale so you knew exactly what you were going to see that night,and could pick what show/shows you wanted. Sure wish this AmericacaramA would do the same if in fact there will be alternating closers. A little late now after the onsale, but it would help with the days planning, and might make for going to another show or two.
"Where's Jim going?"

bhyman

Quote from: joey_rogo on May 10, 2013, 11:15 AM
This rotating headliners thing comes as a surprise to me. Until confirmation, I'm assuming Dylan closes every show.
This was the source I got that from:

http://www.jambands.com/news/2013/04/25/bob-weir-will-join-dylan-wilco-mmj-for-four-americanarama-dates

I think rotating headliners is fine as long as each act get same amount of time. Surely the headliner might be able to stretch it a little, but curfews often prevent that from happening.


Shug

Quote from: bartel on May 09, 2013, 07:57 PM
Quote from: Shug on May 09, 2013, 07:50 PM
Also, just because one band goes on last doesn't necessarily mean they will play longer that night.  I would also prefer to have Wilco or MMJ go last, even if it doesn't mean they get a longer set.

Just a guess, but they might just all play the same length of time no matter the sequence.

in that case what would be the point in rotating at all if the sets were the same length? they may aswell stay a set lineup every night if they were playing the same length but this is all speculation.

Might be more for the bands' benefit than the fans.  Sometimes a band likes to finish their set early so they can enjoy the rest of the night without any obligations.

On the Dylan/Willie Nelson/Mellencamp tour in 2009, it seems the sequence was consistently Willie opening, Mellencamp in the middle and Dylan closing.  From what I could gather from show reviews, it seemed Willie played an hour, I could not find a time for Mellencamp's set and Dylan played about 90 minutes.
"Some like their water shallow, I like mine deep"

EverythingChanges

The only thing that worries me about this tour is the short sets from each band.  90 minute sets would be okay, especially if Jacket and Wilco changed the set lists from night to night.  However, I just can't see Dylan grabbing the audience like the other two bands.  Don't get me wrong, I have more respect for Dylan than just about any musician, but how can he go on after the other two bands and not lose people's interests?  His voice is 100% gone, and I am someone who absolutely loves Dylan's voice.

I just wish the show would start around 3, so we could see legitimate length sets from each band. 

Now if Dylan left his band at home and had Wilco and MMJ back him as the closer every night (where MMJ and Wilco would play Dylan's tunes with him), I would be stoked beyond words.  Not only would I not feel cheated with short sets from the other two bands, but I would be more excited for Dylan's set than the other two sets.  In this scenario, MMJ and Wilco could rotate every other night for the middle spot.
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markcel

Quote from: marino13 on May 06, 2013, 11:35 AM
I looked yesterday and pulled up some tickets for Peoria.  They were something like seats 2489 and 2490.  When I purchased two tickets on Wednesday, second day of the presale, they were in the 1400's.  I am assuming this means they have only sold about 2500 tickets total so far.  I hope they sell enough not to cancel.

Just looked and they are in the 2800s with the VIP tickets in the 80s.  Not sure what is needed to avoid cancellation, but if it moves forward it will be a very intimate show for those of us in attendance.

Shug

Quote from: EverythingChanges on May 10, 2013, 06:34 PM
Now if Dylan left his band at home and had Wilco and MMJ back him as the closer every night (where MMJ and Wilco would play Dylan's tunes with him), I would be stoked beyond words.  Not only would I not feel cheated with short sets from the other two bands, but I would be more excited for Dylan's set than the other two sets.  In this scenario, MMJ and Wilco could rotate every other night for the middle spot.

That's a great idea that I'd love, too, but its not gonna happen on this tour.  Dylan has famously done that twice, as you probably know, with Tom Petty in 1986 and again with the Grateful Dead in 1987.  On the Dylan/Petty tours, they'd come out and play a set of Dylan songs together with Petty as Dylan's band, then Petty & Heartbreakers did a few songs of their own without Dylan, then Dylan did a short solo acoustic set and then they'd finish up with Petty as the backing band again.  It went pretty long, close to three hours from what I remember.

With the Dead, they did their entire two set show and then they came out an did another full set as Dylan's band and then they did an encore.  That was also a good long show, probably close to four hours of music.
"Some like their water shallow, I like mine deep"

Sheets Of Clay

To me the only places MMJ or Wilco would possibly headline are the cities where they are really, really popular. That means Atlanta or Nashville for MMJ and Chicago for Wilco.

pattilovesmmj

Hey roll call peeps, haven't been on for a while.  I feel that Dylan will most likely end every show, however, I also believe it will be with MMJ and Wilco joining him on stage.  I just can't imagine Bob ending the show without that.  I would hope that they would join him in some old tune like "Blowin in the wind" or something along those lines.  That being said, MMJ should close Nashville and Wilco should close Chicago, even though I do love MMJ more than Wilco and will be at the Chicago show at Toyota park.
I'm very much looking forward to this even though I was lucky enough to see Jim at the basement in Nashville with Carl opening up for him, then also seeing Jim in Milwaukee and Chicago..  He crushed it with his new music and I was surprised just how much the songs evolved from the basement show to the show in Chicago.
But I'm a missin' my MMJ and I need some music that touches my soul.  So I couldn't be happier knowing that I'll get to see them this summer. 
I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but somedays I'm just so ridiculously happy when I listen to their music and it can change my mood and even my life.
I love you guys and I sincerely believe that you have as much fun playing for your fans as your fans have listening to and watching you guys!!!!!!

justbcuzido

Quote from: pattilovesmmj on May 15, 2013, 03:45 PM
Hey roll call peeps, haven't been on for a while.  I feel that Dylan will most likely end every show, however, I also believe it will be with MMJ and Wilco joining him on stage.  I just can't imagine Bob ending the show without that.  I would hope that they would join him in some old tune like "Blowin in the wind" or something along those lines.  That being said, MMJ should close Nashville and Wilco should close Chicago, even though I do love MMJ more than Wilco and will be at the Chicago show at Toyota park.
I'm very much looking forward to this even though I was lucky enough to see Jim at the basement in Nashville with Carl opening up for him, then also seeing Jim in Milwaukee and Chicago..  He crushed it with his new music and I was surprised just how much the songs evolved from the basement show to the show in Chicago.
But I'm a missin' my MMJ and I need some music that touches my soul.  So I couldn't be happier knowing that I'll get to see them this summer. 
I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but somedays I'm just so ridiculously happy when I listen to their music and it can change my mood and even my life.
I love you guys and I sincerely believe that you have as much fun playing for your fans as your fans have listening to and watching you guys!!!!!!

Amen to that! Are you going to the Peoria show as well? I can't think of a better reason to fly back to my home city than these two shows. I figured in for a penny, in for a pound so I'm going to both Peoria/Chicago with a fellow board member from Austin! I guess escaping Texas summer is a good reason to go to Chicago in July  :wink:
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marino13

Quote from: markcel on May 14, 2013, 12:39 PM
Quote from: marino13 on May 06, 2013, 11:35 AM
I looked yesterday and pulled up some tickets for Peoria.  They were something like seats 2489 and 2490.  When I purchased two tickets on Wednesday, second day of the presale, they were in the 1400's.  I am assuming this means they have only sold about 2500 tickets total so far.  I hope they sell enough not to cancel.

Just looked and they are in the 2800s with the VIP tickets in the 80s.  Not sure what is needed to avoid cancellation, but if it moves forward it will be a very intimate show for those of us in attendance.

It's no wonder we can't get any decent acts around here.  I am going to see the Crowes in a couple weeks at a 2200 seat theater that might be half full.  If it were Motley Crue, Journey or Nickelback at Chiefs field instead of Dylan/Wilco/MMJ, the place would probably sell out. 

pattilovesmmj

Quote from: justbcuzido on May 15, 2013, 04:17 PM
Quote from: pattilovesmmj on May 15, 2013, 03:45 PM
Hey roll call peeps, haven't been on for a while.  I feel that Dylan will most likely end every show, however, I also believe it will be with MMJ and Wilco joining him on stage.  I just can't imagine Bob ending the show without that.  I would hope that they would join him in some old tune like "Blowin in the wind" or something along those lines.  That being said, MMJ should close Nashville and Wilco should close Chicago, even though I do love MMJ more than Wilco and will be at the Chicago show at Toyota park.
I'm very much looking forward to this even though I was lucky enough to see Jim at the basement in Nashville with Carl opening up for him, then also seeing Jim in Milwaukee and Chicago..  He crushed it with his new music and I was surprised just how much the songs evolved from the basement show to the show in Chicago.
But I'm a missin' my MMJ and I need some music that touches my soul.  So I couldn't be happier knowing that I'll get to see them this summer. 
I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but somedays I'm just so ridiculously happy when I listen to their music and it can change my mood and even my life.
I love you guys and I sincerely believe that you have as much fun playing for your fans as your fans have listening to and watching you guys!!!!!!

Amen to that! Are you going to the Peoria show as well? I can't think of a better reason to fly back to my home city than these two shows. I figured in for a penny, in for a pound so I'm going to both Peoria/Chicago with a fellow board member from Austin! I guess escaping Texas summer is a good reason to go to Chicago in July  :wink:
Unfortunately I can only make the Chicago show.  College tuition takes a toll on our budget.  I'm hoping to tail gate in our conversion van.  It's older, but in awesome condition with 4 captain chairs.  I heard that there will be tail gating before the show?