Punk/Hardcore/PopPunk/etc

[e_wind]

First show I traveled for: (Blacklisted)
canon-ized

the shit
Jawbreaker - Boxcar

Favorite EP ever:
Instilled - Unfinished Business

PP:
I Am The Avalanche - I Took A Beating

Literally perfect pop-punk album:
Saves the day - Through Being Cool (1999 - Full Album)

H20:
H2O feat Freddy Madball - Guilty By Association (Live at CBGB)

Classic:
Minor Threat - Minor Threat (Full EP)

[getinthevan]

I've been really into this album lately.

http://youtu.be/u3xsfcG0nV8

[MarkW]

I love Fugazi, so much so that a friend gave me two tickets to see them as a wedding present.  My other half was not impressed.

Fugazi - Waiting Room

For me, Stiff Little Fingers were amongst the best of the original punk wave.  This song is from their debut, and is awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBYoNYuUVk0&feature=kp#

[e_wind]

Mark I love Fugazi. One of the bands that started it all for me.

[Jaimoe]

Pop-punk is an abomination. Anyway, love the legendary Swedish hardcore socialist/political punkers The Refused and dig the usual suspects The Clash, Ramones and Pistols. Love Stiff Little Fingers and proto punk's Television. Influential Canadian '80s punk rockers Forgotten Rebels and Teenage Head kick ass too.

[LeanneP]

"Pop-punk is an abomination." is the most absurd statement!  A huge swathe of punk is a revisioning of the pop song. The Ramones are a prime example.

Or like legendary punk band Teenage Head or, one of my faves, The Dik Van Dykes.

[Jaimoe]

"Pop-punk is an abomination." is the most absurd statement!  A huge swathe of punk is a revisioning of the pop song. The Ramones are a prime example.

Or like legendary punk band Teenage Head or, one of my faves, The Dik Van Dykes.

C'mon. You know perfectly well that pop-punk is a modern genre construct and contains bands by the likes of Blink 182 and Sum 41. All the great punk bands were influenced by pop, to some extent. Comparatively, Hendrix loved the blues, The Who were a suped up R&B quartet etc. Heck, Zappa and The Ramones worshipped doo-wop. Btw, I'm friends with two original Diks and neither think their sound was punk. They describe it New Wave a la B-52s mixed with punk. Interestingly, some of the Diks reformed and recorded an album around ten years ago and they finally have decided to print copies of it. It's good.

[LeanneP]

Jaimoe, I honestly have never heard any of those ultra poppy new punk-lite bands. I realise that pop/punk refers to those bands specifically, but saying it's an abomination is, as I said, ridiculous in the very way I pointed out: pop music is a foundational element of punk. I tend to call those bands punk-lite since their punk elements seem to extend to fashion and not much farther. But, as I said, I have never really heard any of them.

Who do you know in the Dik Van Dykes?! I'm the godmother of a Dik Van Dykes baby. Haha! I do know that her mom considers herself punk and that the band existed in a scene that was very second wave punk. New wave seems to me to be a lot less punk than early B-52s. The Go-Gos is a good example of that. Initially a California punk band that became new wave as they matured.

Anyway, dismissing pop/punk as a genre strikes me as a little harsh. I don't have a pony in the race, though, so it doesn't really matter to me.

[Jaimoe]

Jaimoe, I honestly have never heard any of those ultra poppy new punk-lite bands. I realise that pop/punk refers to those bands specifically, but saying it's an abomination is, as I said, ridiculous in the very way I pointed out: pop music is a foundational element of punk. I tend to call those bands punk-lite since their punk elements seem to extend to fashion and not much farther. But, as I said, I have never really heard any of them.

Who do you know in the Dik Van Dykes?! I'm the godmother of a Dik Van Dykes baby. Haha! I do know that her mom considers herself punk and that the band existed in a scene that was very second wave punk. New wave seems to me to be a lot less punk than early B-52s. The Go-Gos is a good example of that. Initially a California punk band that became new wave as they matured.

Anyway, dismissing pop/punk as a genre strikes me as a little harsh. I don't have a pony in the race, though, so it doesn't really matter to me.

First off, you can't argue what you don't know. Pop is great, punk is great. The two genres were combined in the 90s to refer to a new and legitimately recognized genre/movement called "pop punk". Green Day is one of the trailblazing acts, although they were better, and more punk, than the pop punk shite bands that followed such as Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Sum 41, Simple Plan etc. Do some research and prepare to be disgusted.

The two Diks I know are Stu and Steve. The former was my roommate for six years during the late 90s to mid 2000s. True to form, Stu hasn't evolved since 1985, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[CC]

Jaimoe, I honestly have never heard any of those ultra poppy new punk-lite bands. I realise that pop/punk refers to those bands specifically, but saying it's an abomination is, as I said, ridiculous in the very way I pointed out: pop music is a foundational element of punk. I tend to call those bands punk-lite since their punk elements seem to extend to fashion and not much farther. But, as I said, I have never really heard any of them.

Who do you know in the Dik Van Dykes?! I'm the godmother of a Dik Van Dykes baby. Haha! I do know that her mom considers herself punk and that the band existed in a scene that was very second wave punk. New wave seems to me to be a lot less punk than early B-52s. The Go-Gos is a good example of that. Initially a California punk band that became new wave as they matured.

Anyway, dismissing pop/punk as a genre strikes me as a little harsh. I don't have a pony in the race, though, so it doesn't really matter to me.

First off, you can't argue what you don't know. Pop is great, punk is great. The two genres were combined in the 90s to refer to a new and legitimately recognized genre/movement called "pop punk". Green Day is one of the trailblazing acts, although they were better, and more punk, than the pop punk shite bands that followed such as Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Sum 41, Simple Plan etc. Do some research and prepare to be disgusted.

The two Diks I know are Stu and Steve. The former was my roommate for six years during the late 90s to mid 2000s. True to form, Stu hasn't evolved since 1985, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Pop-Punk got big in the mid 90s and yes, a lot of that sucked but it was around a lot earlier than that. Most of The Buzzcocks' late 70s singles were pop-punk and damn good. In the 80s you had bands like The Descendents making pop-punk. Nowadays you have Japandroids, a lot of their stuff is really pop-punk. I guess you're limiting the genre to those commercial 90s bands and their followers but there's really more to it.

[ManNamedTruth]

Jaimoe, I honestly have never heard any of those ultra poppy new punk-lite bands. I realise that pop/punk refers to those bands specifically, but saying it's an abomination is, as I said, ridiculous in the very way I pointed out: pop music is a foundational element of punk. I tend to call those bands punk-lite since their punk elements seem to extend to fashion and not much farther. But, as I said, I have never really heard any of them.

Who do you know in the Dik Van Dykes?! I'm the godmother of a Dik Van Dykes baby. Haha! I do know that her mom considers herself punk and that the band existed in a scene that was very second wave punk. New wave seems to me to be a lot less punk than early B-52s. The Go-Gos is a good example of that. Initially a California punk band that became new wave as they matured.

Anyway, dismissing pop/punk as a genre strikes me as a little harsh. I don't have a pony in the race, though, so it doesn't really matter to me.

First off, you can't argue what you don't know. Pop is great, punk is great. The two genres were combined in the 90s to refer to a new and legitimately recognized genre/movement called "pop punk". Green Day is one of the trailblazing acts, although they were better, and more punk, than the pop punk shite bands that followed such as Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Sum 41, Simple Plan etc. Do some research and prepare to be disgusted.

The two Diks I know are Stu and Steve. The former was my roommate for six years during the late 90s to mid 2000s. True to form, Stu hasn't evolved since 1985, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Pop-Punk got big in the mid 90s and yes, a lot of that sucked but it was around a lot earlier than that. Most of The Buzzcocks' late 70s singles were pop-punk and damn good. In the 80s you had bands like The Descendents making pop-punk. Nowadays you have Japandroids, a lot of their stuff is really pop-punk. I guess you're limiting the genre to those commercial 90s bands and their followers but there's really more to it.

Exactly, Baxter! Sorry Jaimoe but you are wrong on this. I listened to plenty of punk music that was considered pop punk in the 90's - Screeching Weasel, The Queers, Mr. T Experience, The Lillingtons, Digger, etc..., these were bands that mostly had more of the Ramones style pop influence. Jaimoe you are simply naming the most mainstream examples of that genre.

Also, Leanne, you never heard of Blink 182?

[Jaimoe]

I stand corrected regarding the origins, but I will say that the 90s second wave pop-punk bullshit has tarnished the brand and is thus an abomination. Long live Tommy and Marky!

[LeanneP]

Weird real life intersections... I dated Stu's little brother a million years ago.

While I've heard of bands like Blink 182, I've never heard them. I don't listen to radio so I don't get a chance to be exposed to stuff like that.

But, in the 80s and early 90s I was seeing Hamilton area punk bands pretty regularly. There has always been a great little scene that endured here and continues to this day, though I haven't seen any punk live in a really long time.  I tend to like different stuff now.

[e_wind]

I stand corrected regarding the origins, but I will say that the 90s second wave pop-punk bullshit has tarnished the brand and is thus an abomination. Long live Tommy and Marky!

No, you're still wrong. Blanket statements rarely ever make sense. There are plenty of pop-punk bands from the 90's and the 00's that are/were great. You can't reel off the 3 bands that weren't good and apply the same opinion to an entire genre. To name a few "90s-second-wave-I-don't-know-what-I'm-talking-about" bands/albums that are good: Green Day wasn't shit when Dookie came out. Saves the Day wasn't shit when Through Being Cool Came out, Alkaline Trio wasn't shit when their self-titled came out (2000), and Brand New certainly made a great record called Your Favorite Weapon.

[dmooney99]

Been digging these guys in the past year.

OFF! - "Wiped Out" (Official Video)

OFF! - "Wrong" ft. Jack Black (OFFicial video)

[pattilovesmmj]

Black Flag
Dead Kennedy's - "When the shit hits the fan" they loved it when you would spit at them as they saw it as a form of appreciation.
Levi and the Rockets - first punk bank I saw in Venice California 1979 in a meet locker. 
X/John Doe - one of the best punk bands.  Saw them at the Whiskey in 1980

[Willard1979]

Listening to Fugazi right now, for the very first time.  So far, I'm really digging them.  Im listening to 13 Songs.   

[ffghtrs]

Successpunk.com.  THE BAND IS SUCCESS!  they fucking rock!  Check them out on band camp or iTunes.  i fucking love them.

[MarkW]

Listening to Fugazi right now, for the very first time.  So far, I'm really digging them.  Im listening to 13 Songs.   

It's a good place to start!  If you get the urge, check out Minor Threat, the band that Ian MacKaye (lead singer of Fugazi) was in before.  I think there's a youtube link above.

MacKaye's now in a duo called The Evens with his partner, Amy Farina.  It's a total departure from his hardcore past.

[e_wind]

Listening to Fugazi right now, for the very first time.  So far, I'm really digging them.  Im listening to 13 Songs.   

It's a good place to start!  If you get the urge, check out Minor Threat, the band that Ian MacKaye (lead singer of Fugazi) was in before.  I think there's a youtube link above.

MacKaye's now in a duo called The Evens with his partner, Amy Farina.  It's a total departure from his hardcore past.

I've never heard of this The Evens. Will check it out