MMJ in upcoming Coors Commercial

[plank10]

this is all a big deal about nothing.

Does the commercial even advertise that is MMJ?

Let these guys make some money without being attacked. Its not like they're the soundtrack to a Bush campain ad.

[bigger_rooty]

do you realize they probbalby havent seen a penny from the sales of it still moves....and maybe never will.  

I agree with everything that you say except for the above.  In all honesty, MMJ has probably seen some returns from It Still Moves.  If they haven't, they will.  If they don't, they can sue RCA/ATCO.  Plain and simple.  Record companies are evil, but they're not that evil.  Evil enough to break contracts, that is.

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

Its not like they're the soundtrack to a Bush campain ad

We would have an issue to discuss at that point, eh?  ;D

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

I agree with everything that you say except for the above.  In all honesty, MMJ has probably seen some returns from It Still Moves.  If they haven't, they will.  If they don't, they can sue RCA/ATCO.  Plain and simple.  Record companies are evil, but they're not that evil.  Evil enough to break contracts, that is.

I think that we can all agree that MMJ have/will/should rec'v returns on the sales of ISM.  What those returns are, I can't speculate on.  But I agree with DD that the music biz isn't a giant free ride with tour buses full of cocaine, hookers, and hot tubs-it is like everything else;  you gotta bust your ass to get noticed, to get exposed, and to get paid.  

Wait-the cocaine, hookers, and hot tubs-that was my private fantasy projected... ;)

[randorph]

you really dont know much about the music business do you.  these guys have a contract.  they record company makes MOST of the money.  do you realize they probbalby havent seen a penny from the sales of it still moves....and maybe never will.  musicians havent "made it" just because they are on a label.  they didnt get a million dollars for free for signing a contract.  they dont get a free ride across the country and they are FAR from being rich.  IF they get salaries, which a lot of musicians do on these types of contracts, they probbably make a LOT less than you do.  yeah, they make $$ of the merchandise and stuff, but a HUGE percentage of that goes right BACK into the tour, gas, mor merchandise, food, hotels, coors light, etc.

Well, I think you're making some pretty big assumptions about what I know and what I don't.  Which is fine, but the point you're making doesn't really contradict the one I'm making.  I didn't say they were getting rich--just that they were doing okay.  Record companies can swindle, and I think an explanation like Steve Albini's (http://www.negativland.com/albini.html) is a little clearer about how than yours is, but that's just my predilection.  

In any case, you present no evidence that MMJ is actually being swindled, you're just talking in generalizations about how it can work.  All I know is, Jim talked in a recent interview about how great it was to be able to quit his day job, and that's already a pretty nice step for anyone following any sort of artistic "career", as I am myself.  (My day job remains fully intact, and no, I think it's safe to say I'm not making any more money than they are.)  And he said at least as far back as 2002 (see the MBE show on KCRW, 10/09/2002) that they signed with ATO because they seemed the most human of the many labels they talked to, so that would imply they're not dealing with a bunch of swindlers.  

oh and their "vacation" that made their lives so fucking easy....they had been on the road ALMOST NONSTOP for practically 5 years.  people like to think being in a band is easy.  the like to think you really FEEL like getting up in front of a bunch of drunk motherfuckers screaming "freeeeeebird" every night.  but thats just not the reality.  do you realize just HOW MANY musicians have to file for bankruptcy when they get dropped from their labels?

I said I wasn't calling them lazy, even "far from it."  I know full well they bust ass, and that's always been part of the enormous amount of respect I have for them.  But don't you think it's a little premature to talk about their getting dropped from a smallish label who just signed them?

yeah, its seems glamerous from the outside.  sex and drugs and rock and roll, all my brain and body need and shit.  but thats just NOT the reality.  it becomes a fucking job just like any other fucking job you ever had eventually.

I'm not sure every artistically-minded soul would agree with you on that.  And as the band's spokesman, Jim's sounded pretty high on life in recent shows and interviews, so I guess he hasn't hit that wall yet.  Apparently, Johnny Quaid and Danny Cash felt differently, or perhaps couldn't help feeling differently.  But the band seems fine. 

also randorf, its easy to say you wouldnt take the $$ given the chance, when youve probbably never BEEN given the chance or i bet youd be a lot richer.

This being a webboard, you're certainly free to make wildly speculative and cynical deductions about the character of people of whom you know absolutely zero.  Doesn't really go anywhere, though.

of COURSE though, you ARE entitled to your opinion.

As I said before, at least there's some debate going now.  I read this forum pretty regularly, but I rarely contribute; how many times can you say "Yeah, the band's great," or "Yeah, I agree..."?  Of course, as I've made pretty clear, I wish we didn't have to be debating this particular question, so there's another one of those contradictions like doctorinthehouse mentioned.

[wordawg]

This being a webboard, you're certainly free to make wildly speculative and cynical deductions about the character of people of whom you know absolutely zero.  

Works both ways, bonny lad.

[randorph]

Works both ways, bonny lad.

I already said I was out of line in the comment upon which you harp.  Though its problem was one of tone, rather than content; it was based on your leap of logic, not mine:  protesting MMJ participation in Coors commercial is tantamount to wanting to write their songs for them.  That is what you said, to me.  I leapt to no conclusions about you.

Though I must say, in defense of your point, I'm neither bonny, nor a lad.

[wordawg]

Two points.

1. I'm not harping.  I can if you want, but I see little point.  

2. Bonny lad.  Irrespective of whether you are or not, its used as a pleasantry where I come from, and I assumed that was where we'd got to.

[wordawg]

I also meant to mention that it (bonny lad) is not gender specific.

Hope this clears the the murky depths.

[randorph]

Ah well, then, all is right, for 'twas a pleasantry on my part as well.  I'm just not a fan of the smiley thing.

The depths, however, remain sadly, impenetrably murky.  It may well be a function of their deepness.

[MMJ_fanatic]

Jeez, can't we all just get along?  Additionally I don't think any of us have a right to sit in judgment of a decision that I am sure the boys had some say in.  Feel free to feel disappointed if you must, as for me I say go Jim, Patrick, Tommy, Bo, and Carl!--Kick down the doors and take no prisoners!  

[John]

Just saw the beer commercial on CBS during halftime of the Alabama/UConn game.  I wasn't even paying attention to the TV, and then there it was...Magheeta!  Well done, boys.

[Garth69]

Quote...
'As I said before, at least there's some debate going now.  I read this forum pretty regularly, but I rarely contribute; how many times can you say "Yeah, the band's great," or "Yeah, I agree..."?'

Finally, somebody who sees this the same way I do. I don't frequent many message boards, but there's an eerie culty kind of vibe that goes through them (and this one) where everyone is trying to be a bigger fan than the next guy. It's like a competition of who can kiss the band's ass better. You can still be a passionate fan and have civil debates and discussions. Every time something vaguely negative is mentioned, there's always somebody blindly going on and on about how that's wrong and how great the band is. It's a free country; don't be afraid to speak your mind!
And I didn't catch the commercial this weekend, despite watching a few ball games. In fact, I don't think I saw any Coors commercials at all.

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

Uh....yeah.

We're as open here as they get on message boards...if there's an over reaching sense of positivity, that's because we all love the music.  A lot.  More than is recommended by the FDA.  

No one is in competition here.  No one is kissing the band's ass.  Everyone is free to express their opinions, just be prepared to back them up with logic and reason, just like in every other situation in life.

If I feel compelled to argue that taking this opportunity instead of slaving away ad infinitum to satisfy the indier-than-thou crowd is a good idea, then so be it.  I have reasons for thinking that, not that I'm so far up Jim James ass that I can taste his breakfast.  I don't buy that logic at all.  

We all can agree to disagree on this subject, I guess.  But I'll be damned if we're all painted with that broad brush you're using there.  If you want to pick on the fans here, take your best shot man!  I can out-type, out-mouth, out-wit, out-message-board-post-into-infinity any takers.  Believe me...I don't have 1300 posts 'cause I like to hear myself talk.

[Garth69]

Man, I hate to say it, but the fact that you point out how many posts you've made pretty much proves my point. Why would you mention that if you didn't want everybody to know?
I do appreciate your passion for the music, though.

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

Well, I can't win them all.  I wasn't trying to show EVERYONE, but just you that I am very passionate about the band and that I can, have, and will debate these points as I have the time, energy, and wear-with-all to take on all comers.

Somehow, I don't think that proves your point, but alas...

[DD]

ha ha ha ha

i love it when people quote my posts in sections, adding replies to each quoted section.

all that matters to me, at least on this topic, is that the boys get to keep making music.  i was not trying to assume how the boys are feeling right now.  i wasnt trying to say how touring or life is affecting them.  i was just trying to make the point that life is not a big fat bed of roses all the sudden when you get signed to a label/major label.  its not necessarily the ticket to fame and riches.

and whoever said they are probbably seeing money from the album sales.  i doubt that.  again, i dont have the magic connection to their accountant or anything.  but have they even sold 500,000 albums yet?  you gotta sell quite a few albums to pay for pressing/advertising/other expenses/etc/etc/etc/etc/etc/etc/etc.  and usually even then artists only get 2-5% of the royalties anyway.

but again, im not their accountant.  i DONT KNOW the EXACT details of their contract or anything.  maybe the got a better deal and are making millions.  i certainly hope so!

[moeman2]

Hey, whatever gets them exposure.
You don't have to hang with the Coors crowd types. Besides, I don't guess too many of the folks in the Coors commercials would actually GET this band.
Let 'em sell a bit. Credibility for these guys is not at stake.

[fastpanda]

i heard them 1st on public radio...
and the internet

commercials suck .

the first time i heard that zepplin song on a commercial i was sad... now this.

is exposure the most important thing in music?
is money the most important?

one of the reasons i loved this band was b/c they weren't commercialy minded. it seemed they focused on music.

then again i saw a victoria secret's add with a dylan tune.
and the who songs are everywhere...

do they need more exposure...

what is really going on... ???

i am soooo sick of target markets and BS.

what ever happened to jingles?

[lfish]

what ever happened to jingles?

I guess they just dissapeared after christmas together with the bells.  We just have to wait till next christmas   ;D




Sorry feeled like bringin in some less serious stuff.