MoF: Louisville. Palace. Halloween. Discuss.

[Penny Lane]

i thought it would be kind of dumb to post this but we sat across the aisle from Jim's dad (if someone knows for sure it wasn't his dad, feel free to correct me), I overheard Patrick talking to him in the lobby so I knew who it was, and he is the spitting image, same profile. So it was also a great night watching him watch Jim. He must have been so proud.

[Love Dogg]

I believe that you're missing "I Will Be There When You Die,"  Eleaf.

Yeah, I believe it was before At The Bottom of Everything, because Conor and Jim traded verses on both, and I thought they were back-to-back.

[ALady]

All the good vibes emanating from Louisville!  Really happy for you guys and I'm so glad you had a good time   :)  LifeWasted, your story was incredible...and it's always great to "meet" another PJ fan   ;)

Curious about this take, though....Louisvillians, what are your thoughts?  I was really surprised to hear the show hadn't sold out.

I was expecting to meet a bunch of locals who had seen MMJ  hundrads of times, but as it turns out, not so much.
The truth is, Jim and the boys were long neglected in their hometown, and that's a real shame.
Louisville, like a lot of cities, has sooooo much potential, but alas, much of it goes unrealised.
And don't get me wrong, I met many wonderful, humble, great vibin' folks who love music with an incredible passion (Love Dogg, Penny, Soulshine, Dylan etc.) and I'm not taking any shots at individual peeps here.
All I'm saying is: the show at the Palace was not sold out, and that's an embarassment. Hell, Oberst sells out any venue in Omaha he plays.
Don't tell me Jim doesn't deserve the same adulation from his hometown.

[Kory]

soul singer is 3 and vincent is 4

[Love Dogg]

All the good vibes emanating from Louisville!  Really happy for you guys and I'm so glad you had a good time   :)  LifeWasted, your story was incredible...and it's always great to "meet" another PJ fan   ;)

Curious about this take, though....Louisvillians, what are your thoughts?  I was really surprised to hear the show hadn't sold out.

I was expecting to meet a bunch of locals who had seen MMJ  hundrads of times, but as it turns out, not so much.
The truth is, Jim and the boys were long neglected in their hometown, and that's a real shame.
Louisville, like a lot of cities, has sooooo much potential, but alas, much of it goes unrealised.
And don't get me wrong, I met many wonderful, humble, great vibin' folks who love music with an incredible passion (Love Dogg, Penny, Soulshine, Dylan etc.) and I'm not taking any shots at individual peeps here.
All I'm saying is: the show at the Palace was not sold out, and that's an embarassment. Hell, Oberst sells out any venue in Omaha he plays.
Don't tell me Jim doesn't deserve the same adulation from his hometown.

I read that too, ALady, and I'm sad to say it isn't necessarily untrue.  It blows my mind, because I've lived here for ten years, and I call it home...but I didn't grow up here.  I have a lot of friends who went to church with Jim, or knew him in little league, or remember him playing a gig in middle school.  But the sad thing is, is that some of these dickheads apparently think he is so accessible that they can always hold on to the Jim Olliges aspect of him, and "say" they knew him when he was younger.  The truth is (sorry to offend anybody here), but I think they're jealous that their "favorite" bands really aren't as good as anything Jim does.  DMB is not as good as the Jacket.  

I think what it is, is that there are so many people who think it's "cool" to like music, because lots of people actually do like music around here.  But those people don't actually know how to like music.  They don't have their own brains to make their own decisions. They say, "I hate the Eagles..." because The Dude made it cool to say.  They like DMB because their friends do.  Its a position thing.  Instead of being supportive and proud, they think "I don't like Jim because I won't allow a peer to appear better than me."   That's the vibe I get.  They see him as accessible...and that he shouldn't be as big as he is.

However, if you talk to Dylan or other people who knew Jim before and at the beginning of the Jacket, you see that perspective reveals that Jim has always had a star quality.  Jim was always bigger than life.  I call it "The Pedestal Factor."  For every person who puts someone on a pedestal, there are at least that many to try and knock them off.  This town, as great as it is, has a big competitive, egotistical, macho, click-ish, I'm better than you vibe sometimes.  It's really disheartening and confusing and I hope I'm wrong.  But I don't think I am.  It's sad.  And I'm very disappointed.

If Kentucky and Louisville played in the NCAA Championship game where, at halftime I was given a 100 dollar bill, and Jim played a solo gig on the same night in a farmhouse in Nevada, I'd rather see Jim anytime.  But not everybody feels that way.  And they suck.   >:(

[Ghosts_on_TV]

All the good vibes emanating from Louisville!  Really happy for you guys and I'm so glad you had a good time   :)  LifeWasted, your story was incredible...and it's always great to "meet" another PJ fan   ;)

Curious about this take, though....Louisvillians, what are your thoughts?  I was really surprised to hear the show hadn't sold out.

I was expecting to meet a bunch of locals who had seen MMJ  hundrads of times, but as it turns out, not so much.
The truth is, Jim and the boys were long neglected in their hometown, and that's a real shame.
Louisville, like a lot of cities, has sooooo much potential, but alas, much of it goes unrealised.
And don't get me wrong, I met many wonderful, humble, great vibin' folks who love music with an incredible passion (Love Dogg, Penny, Soulshine, Dylan etc.) and I'm not taking any shots at individual peeps here.
All I'm saying is: the show at the Palace was not sold out, and that's an embarassment. Hell, Oberst sells out any venue in Omaha he plays.
Don't tell me Jim doesn't deserve the same adulation from his hometown.

I read that too, ALady, and I'm sad to say it isn't necessarily untrue.  It blows my mind, because I've lived here for ten years, and I call it home...but I didn't grow up here.  I have a lot of friends who went to church with Jim, or knew him in little league, or remember him playing a gig in middle school.  But the sad thing is, is that some of these dickheads apparently think he is so accessible that they can always hold on to the Jim Olliges aspect of him, and "say" they knew him when he was younger.  The truth is (sorry to offend anybody here), but I think they're jealous that their "favorite" bands really aren't as good as anything Jim does.  DMB is not as good as the Jacket.  

I think what it is, is that there are so many people who think it's "cool" to like music, because lots of people actually do like music around here.  But those people don't actually know how to like music.  They don't have their own brains to make their own decisions. They say, "I hate the Eagles..." because The Dude made it cool to say.  They like DMB because their friends do.  Its a position thing.  Instead of being supportive and proud, they think "I don't like Jim because I won't allow a peer to appear better than me."   That's the vibe I get.  They see him as accessible...and that he shouldn't be as big as he is.

However, if you talk to Dylan or other people who knew Jim before and at the beginning of the Jacket, you see that perspective reveals that Jim has always had a star quality.  Jim was always bigger than life.  I call it "The Pedestal Factor."  For every person who puts someone on a pedestal, there are at least that many to try and knock them off.  This town, as great as it is, has a big competitive, egotistical, macho, click-ish, I'm better than you vibe sometimes.  It's really disheartening and confusing and I hope I'm wrong.  But I don't think I am.  It's sad.  And I'm very disappointed.

If Kentucky and Louisville played in the NCAA Championship game where, at halftime I was given a 100 dollar bill, and Jim played a solo gig on the same night in a farmhouse in Nevada, I'd rather see Jim anytime.  But not everybody feels that way.  And they suck.   >:(

Hey now, no need to bring DMB into this.... >:( ;D

[ALady]

I just thought it was odd because that's definitely not the take I got at the Waterfront show last year; the vibe I got was that the townspeople were really aware of and proud of the band.  But maybe I wasn't in town long enough to get a real feel for it?

Anyway, just curious to get a local's perspective.  Thanks for the feedback!

[Kory]

Well put Toby, the Palace was not the "cool place" to be [highlight]seen[/highlight](ie scensters) on Halloween in Louisville.

[eleaf14]

I believe that you're missing "I Will Be There When You Die,"  Eleaf.

Yeah, I believe it was before At The Bottom of Everything, because Conor and Jim traded verses on both, and I thought they were back-to-back.

Good catch. I remember using the rest room right before this came on. I think it was after We Are Nowhere and before Golden...but I could be wrong.

[Love Dogg]

All the good vibes emanating from Louisville!  Really happy for you guys and I'm so glad you had a good time   :)  LifeWasted, your story was incredible...and it's always great to "meet" another PJ fan   ;)

Curious about this take, though....Louisvillians, what are your thoughts?  I was really surprised to hear the show hadn't sold out.

I was expecting to meet a bunch of locals who had seen MMJ  hundrads of times, but as it turns out, not so much.
The truth is, Jim and the boys were long neglected in their hometown, and that's a real shame.
Louisville, like a lot of cities, has sooooo much potential, but alas, much of it goes unrealised.
And don't get me wrong, I met many wonderful, humble, great vibin' folks who love music with an incredible passion (Love Dogg, Penny, Soulshine, Dylan etc.) and I'm not taking any shots at individual peeps here.
All I'm saying is: the show at the Palace was not sold out, and that's an embarassment. Hell, Oberst sells out any venue in Omaha he plays.
Don't tell me Jim doesn't deserve the same adulation from his hometown.

I read that too, ALady, and I'm sad to say it isn't necessarily untrue.  It blows my mind, because I've lived here for ten years, and I call it home...but I didn't grow up here.  I have a lot of friends who went to church with Jim, or knew him in little league, or remember him playing a gig in middle school.  But the sad thing is, is that some of these dickheads apparently think he is so accessible that they can always hold on to the Jim Olliges aspect of him, and "say" they knew him when he was younger.  The truth is (sorry to offend anybody here), but I think they're jealous that their "favorite" bands really aren't as good as anything Jim does.  DMB is not as good as the Jacket.  

I think what it is, is that there are so many people who think it's "cool" to like music, because lots of people actually do like music around here.  But those people don't actually know how to like music.  They don't have their own brains to make their own decisions. They say, "I hate the Eagles..." because The Dude made it cool to say.  They like DMB because their friends do.  Its a position thing.  Instead of being supportive and proud, they think "I don't like Jim because I won't allow a peer to appear better than me."   That's the vibe I get.  They see him as accessible...and that he shouldn't be as big as he is.

However, if you talk to Dylan or other people who knew Jim before and at the beginning of the Jacket, you see that perspective reveals that Jim has always had a star quality.  Jim was always bigger than life.  I call it "The Pedestal Factor."  For every person who puts someone on a pedestal, there are at least that many to try and knock them off.  This town, as great as it is, has a big competitive, egotistical, macho, click-ish, I'm better than you vibe sometimes.  It's really disheartening and confusing and I hope I'm wrong.  But I don't think I am.  It's sad.  And I'm very disappointed.

If Kentucky and Louisville played in the NCAA Championship game where, at halftime I was given a 100 dollar bill, and Jim played a solo gig on the same night in a farmhouse in Nevada, I'd rather see Jim anytime.  But not everybody feels that way.  And they suck.   >:(

Hey now, no need to bring DMB into this.... >:( ;D

Sorry Ghosts...no offense to you.  I was hoping you'd skip this one.   :-/   I saw DMB and it was an amazing show.  But a lot of people I know don't know why they like him...they just didn't have anybody else to commit to, and all their friends were doing it.

[Kory]

I believe that you're missing "I Will Be There When You Die,"  Eleaf.

Yeah, I believe it was before At The Bottom of Everything, because Conor and Jim traded verses on both, and I thought they were back-to-back.

Good catch. I remember using the rest room right before this came on. I think it was after We Are Nowhere and before Golden...but I could be wrong.

like i said, I'll be able to clear this up soon aside from the first two songs played and I think you guys all remember that...
tape will be coming!  :D

[Kris]

Excited to hear the tape.   :)

[BH]

I believe that you're missing "I Will Be There When You Die,"  Eleaf.

Yeah, I believe it was before At The Bottom of Everything, because Conor and Jim traded verses on both, and I thought they were back-to-back.

Good catch. I remember using the rest room right before this came on. I think it was after We Are Nowhere and before Golden...but I could be wrong.

like i said, I'll be able to clear this up soon aside from the first two songs played and I think you guys all remember that...
tape will be coming!  :D

awesome!  Thanks AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN..............................................................................................................

[eleaf14]

Thanks Kory! I am seriously excited!

[slappymoe]

All the good vibes emanating from Louisville!  Really happy for you guys and I'm so glad you had a good time   :)  LifeWasted, your story was incredible...and it's always great to "meet" another PJ fan   ;)

Curious about this take, though....Louisvillians, what are your thoughts?  I was really surprised to hear the show hadn't sold out.

I was expecting to meet a bunch of locals who had seen MMJ  hundrads of times, but as it turns out, not so much.
The truth is, Jim and the boys were long neglected in their hometown, and that's a real shame.
Louisville, like a lot of cities, has sooooo much potential, but alas, much of it goes unrealised.
And don't get me wrong, I met many wonderful, humble, great vibin' folks who love music with an incredible passion (Love Dogg, Penny, Soulshine, Dylan etc.) and I'm not taking any shots at individual peeps here.
All I'm saying is: the show at the Palace was not sold out, and that's an embarassment. Hell, Oberst sells out any venue in Omaha he plays.
Don't tell me Jim doesn't deserve the same adulation from his hometown.

I read that too, ALady, and I'm sad to say it isn't necessarily untrue.  It blows my mind, because I've lived here for ten years, and I call it home...but I didn't grow up here.  I have a lot of friends who went to church with Jim, or knew him in little league, or remember him playing a gig in middle school.  But the sad thing is, is that some of these dickheads apparently think he is so accessible that they can always hold on to the Jim Olliges aspect of him, and "say" they knew him when he was younger.  The truth is (sorry to offend anybody here), but I think they're jealous that their "favorite" bands really aren't as good as anything Jim does.  DMB is not as good as the Jacket.  

I think what it is, is that there are so many people who think it's "cool" to like music, because lots of people actually do like music around here.  But those people don't actually know how to like music.  They don't have their own brains to make their own decisions. They say, "I hate the Eagles..." because The Dude made it cool to say.  They like DMB because their friends do.  Its a position thing.  Instead of being supportive and proud, they think "I don't like Jim because I won't allow a peer to appear better than me."   That's the vibe I get.  They see him as accessible...and that he shouldn't be as big as he is.

However, if you talk to Dylan or other people who knew Jim before and at the beginning of the Jacket, you see that perspective reveals that Jim has always had a star quality.  Jim was always bigger than life.  I call it "The Pedestal Factor."  For every person who puts someone on a pedestal, there are at least that many to try and knock them off.  This town, as great as it is, has a big competitive, egotistical, macho, click-ish, I'm better than you vibe sometimes.  It's really disheartening and confusing and I hope I'm wrong.  But I don't think I am.  It's sad.  And I'm very disappointed.

If Kentucky and Louisville played in the NCAA Championship game where, at halftime I was given a 100 dollar bill, and Jim played a solo gig on the same night in a farmhouse in Nevada, I'd rather see Jim anytime.  But not everybody feels that way.  And they suck.   >:(

my 2¢......

as embarrasing as it is to admit, this 46 year old lifelong louisvillian didn't have a freakin' clue about MMJ until march 2008.  yes, i'd heard the name around town for years but for reasons i still cannot fathom i just wouldn't give them so much as a brief listen.  i suppose there was a part of me that figured, "just another local band, can't be anything special."  lord was i ever wrong. and stupid. :-[

the hype for evil urges had begun that spring.  my curiosity had grown.  decided to check them out.  my first real exposure to MMJ was you-tube, watching OBH on the conan show.  as i told my buddy that day, "hmmmmm, these guys seem to rock."  i had a best buy gift card left over from x-mas and used it to buy Z.  mind blown. :o

but it wasn't until i bought the first 3 albums that i began to fully understand what i'd been missing out on.  it's hard to describe the feeling, but it's clear jim is at least partially influenced by many of my favorite old artists.  (the who, for one.  how 'bout that "WGFA" during the intermission?)  it's like taking all the stuff you've listened to and loved for decades and rolling it up into one nice, tidy package.  fresh and exciting, but also comfortably familiar. the jacket.

and it doesn't hurt that they are absolute MONSTERS live.

what was the point again?  oh yeah, i am also surprised the MOF show didn't sell out, especially since MMJ drew 10,000 to the waterfront last year.  i'm gonna chalk it up to unfamiliarity with MOF and too much competition that night.....halloween parties, college football, roger daltry (i would have loved to have seen him), and miley cyrus.

well, maybe not so much miley cyrus.

and there are probably still some doofuses out there like i once was, oblivious to it all.   one day they'll WISH they had been there, if they had only known..... :'(

[Love Dogg]

All the good vibes emanating from Louisville!  Really happy for you guys and I'm so glad you had a good time   :)  LifeWasted, your story was incredible...and it's always great to "meet" another PJ fan   ;)

Curious about this take, though....Louisvillians, what are your thoughts?  I was really surprised to hear the show hadn't sold out.

I was expecting to meet a bunch of locals who had seen MMJ  hundrads of times, but as it turns out, not so much.
The truth is, Jim and the boys were long neglected in their hometown, and that's a real shame.
Louisville, like a lot of cities, has sooooo much potential, but alas, much of it goes unrealised.
And don't get me wrong, I met many wonderful, humble, great vibin' folks who love music with an incredible passion (Love Dogg, Penny, Soulshine, Dylan etc.) and I'm not taking any shots at individual peeps here.
All I'm saying is: the show at the Palace was not sold out, and that's an embarassment. Hell, Oberst sells out any venue in Omaha he plays.
Don't tell me Jim doesn't deserve the same adulation from his hometown.

I read that too, ALady, and I'm sad to say it isn't necessarily untrue.  It blows my mind, because I've lived here for ten years, and I call it home...but I didn't grow up here.  I have a lot of friends who went to church with Jim, or knew him in little league, or remember him playing a gig in middle school.  But the sad thing is, is that some of these dickheads apparently think he is so accessible that they can always hold on to the Jim Olliges aspect of him, and "say" they knew him when he was younger.  The truth is (sorry to offend anybody here), but I think they're jealous that their "favorite" bands really aren't as good as anything Jim does.  DMB is not as good as the Jacket.  

I think what it is, is that there are so many people who think it's "cool" to like music, because lots of people actually do like music around here.  But those people don't actually know how to like music.  They don't have their own brains to make their own decisions. They say, "I hate the Eagles..." because The Dude made it cool to say.  They like DMB because their friends do.  Its a position thing.  Instead of being supportive and proud, they think "I don't like Jim because I won't allow a peer to appear better than me."   That's the vibe I get.  They see him as accessible...and that he shouldn't be as big as he is.

However, if you talk to Dylan or other people who knew Jim before and at the beginning of the Jacket, you see that perspective reveals that Jim has always had a star quality.  Jim was always bigger than life.  I call it "The Pedestal Factor."  For every person who puts someone on a pedestal, there are at least that many to try and knock them off.  This town, as great as it is, has a big competitive, egotistical, macho, click-ish, I'm better than you vibe sometimes.  It's really disheartening and confusing and I hope I'm wrong.  But I don't think I am.  It's sad.  And I'm very disappointed.

If Kentucky and Louisville played in the NCAA Championship game where, at halftime I was given a 100 dollar bill, and Jim played a solo gig on the same night in a farmhouse in Nevada, I'd rather see Jim anytime.  But not everybody feels that way.  And they suck.   >:(

my 2¢......

as embarrasing as it is to admit, this 46 year old lifelong louisvillian didn't have a freakin' clue about MMJ until march 2008.  yes, i'd heard the name around town for years but for reasons i still cannot fathom i just wouldn't give them so much as a brief listen.  i suppose there was a part of me that figured, "just another local band, can't be anything special."  lord was i ever wrong. and stupid. :-[

the hype for evil urges had begun that spring.  my curiosity had grown.  decided to check them out.  my first real exposure to MMJ was you-tube, watching OBH on the conan show.  as i told my buddy that day, "hmmmmm, these guys seem to rock."  i had a best buy gift card left over from x-mas and used it to buy Z.  mind blown. :o

but it wasn't until i bought the first 3 albums that i began to fully understand what i'd been missing out on.  it's hard to describe the feeling, but it's clear jim is at least partially influenced by many of my favorite old artists.  (the who, for one.  how 'bout that "WGFA" during the intermission?)  it's like taking all the stuff you've listened to and loved for decades and rolling it up into one nice, tidy package.  fresh and exciting, but also comfortably familiar. the jacket.

and it doesn't hurt that they are absolute MONSTERS live.

what was the point again?  oh yeah, i am also surprised the MOF show didn't sell out, especially since MMJ drew 10,000 to the waterfront last year.  i'm gonna chalk it up to unfamiliarity with MOF and too much competition that night.....halloween parties, college football, roger daltry (i'd loved to have seen him), and miley cyrus.

well, maybe not so much miley cyrus.

and there are probably still some doofuses out there like i once was, oblivious to it all.   one day they'll WISH they had been there, if they had only known..... :'(

I appreciate your reason to my rant, moe.  I shouldn't have gone off like I did, but it's aggrevating to think people refuse to listen.  But maybe they're still waiting for that perfect mix tape or perfect Conan performance to turn them on.

[slappymoe]

If Kentucky and Louisville played in the NCAA Championship game where, at halftime I was given a 100 dollar bill, and Jim played a solo gig on the same night in a farmhouse in Nevada, I'd rather see Jim anytime.  But not everybody feels that way.  And they suck.   >:(

my man-love for JJ has not quite reached that point......yet.  give it another album and tour. :D

i'd pass on any other imaginary ballgame, but a ul-uk championship game?   i bet jim would be glued to a televsion, too!

[slappymoe]

2 more things:

if any of you are the person who found my cell phone and turned it in to lost and found....thanks!

and if any of you are the ridiculously pretty sarah from dallas.....i hope the show was worth the trip!  

[xmascriminal]

I believe that you're missing "I Will Be There When You Die,"  Eleaf.

Yeah, I believe it was before At The Bottom of Everything, because Conor and Jim traded verses on both, and I thought they were back-to-back.

Good catch. I remember using the rest room right before this came on. I think it was after We Are Nowhere and before Golden...but I could be wrong.

I think you're right. I'm pretty sure it was earlier in the show than At the Bottom of Everything.

[Markus E. Realeus]

Ah- validation!
I was careful to make my point but fully confident I was making a valid one. My opinion was based on the numerous conversations I had with locals over the course of the weekend, and I felt it was pretty well formed, based on what I learned from talking w/ peeps.

One more note on my time in Louisville: I went up to Ear-X-Tacy on Sunday and picked up a sweet 180g blue/white "tye-dye" vinyl copy of "Chocolate & Ice". Also grabbed a t-shirt. Pretty happy with the record, side 2 is just "Cobra", and I really dig it.
Hope to see you guys out West sometime! I think I might put together a little mini-run of like 4-5 shows the next time MMJ tours.
You guys absolutely MUST catch a show at Red Rocks!