I swear, this shit just gets more bizarre
Sarah Palin: Paul Revere Did Warn The British That The British Were Coming! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLQTcZwbykw#ws)
And there are MILLIONS of Amercans who support this person. Mind boggling.
She is a piece of work my friend. I'm afraid for this Nation, with people like this out there trying to run things.
There are no words to describe how I would feel if she became the first woman president. She is not the kind of woman I would ever, ever aspire to be and I am yet to meet a woman who admires this...disaster. Can't talk about her too much because it sends me over the edge to think that SHE could be "President Palin." A crazy, media-hungry, English-language-butchering, out of touch, delusional moron.
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 05, 2011, 07:41 PM
There are no words to describe how I would feel if she became the first woman president. She is not the kind of woman I would ever, ever aspire to be and I am yet to meet a woman who admires this...disaster. Can't talk about her too much because it sends me over the edge to think that SHE could be "President Palin." A crazy, media-hungry, English-language-butchering, out of touch, delusional moron.
To think she could be president is crazy to me. However, am I just that out of touch with what's going on in America? Am I so far extreme opposite of this person (and I am in the middle!) that I cannot fathom why anyone would vote for her, but millions would!
I dunno. Mind boggling, yet a possibility? :-\
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jun 05, 2011, 07:53 PM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 05, 2011, 07:41 PM
There are no words to describe how I would feel if she became the first woman president. She is not the kind of woman I would ever, ever aspire to be and I am yet to meet a woman who admires this...disaster. Can't talk about her too much because it sends me over the edge to think that SHE could be "President Palin." A crazy, media-hungry, English-language-butchering, out of touch, delusional moron.
To think she could be president is crazy to me. However, am I just that out of touch with what's going on in America? Am I so far extreme opposite of this person (and I am in the middle!) that I cannot fathom why anyone would vote for her, but millions would!
I dunno. Mind boggling, yet a possibility? :-\
Support often comes from something as simple as blind loyalty; i.e., a Republican would never throw their support behind a Democrat no matter how insane some of their party's policies are. Same with Democrats voting Republican. As for Palin, there's so many Americans, so she's bound to get a percentage of folks to follow her - she's a rootsy media manipulator, good looking (admit it, but in an evil dumb siren kind of way) and she can garner some votes via a rather uninspiring class of Republican presidential hopefuls. Anyway, as an outsider whose country is uniquely tied to the US like no other in the world (and vice versa), I'm both fascinated and terrified of a Palin president.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jun 05, 2011, 07:53 PM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 05, 2011, 07:41 PM
There are no words to describe how I would feel if she became the first woman president. She is not the kind of woman I would ever, ever aspire to be and I am yet to meet a woman who admires this...disaster. Can't talk about her too much because it sends me over the edge to think that SHE could be "President Palin." A crazy, media-hungry, English-language-butchering, out of touch, delusional moron.
To think she could be president is crazy to me. However, am I just that out of touch with what's going on in America? Am I so far extreme opposite of this person (and I am in the middle!) that I cannot fathom why anyone would vote for her, but millions would!
I dunno. Mind boggling, yet a possibility? :-\
I know so many people that love her and are "inspired" by her. She infuriates me to no end. She infuriates my wife to no end. She's not inspirational. Yeah, it's that gotcha media's fault that they asked you a simple question and you couldn't answer it. No SP, you do not know our country's history. Or anything for that matter.
Quote from: Jaimoe on Jun 05, 2011, 08:12 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jun 05, 2011, 07:53 PM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 05, 2011, 07:41 PM
There are no words to describe how I would feel if she became the first woman president. She is not the kind of woman I would ever, ever aspire to be and I am yet to meet a woman who admires this...disaster. Can't talk about her too much because it sends me over the edge to think that SHE could be "President Palin." A crazy, media-hungry, English-language-butchering, out of touch, delusional moron.
To think she could be president is crazy to me. However, am I just that out of touch with what's going on in America? Am I so far extreme opposite of this person (and I am in the middle!) that I cannot fathom why anyone would vote for her, but millions would!
I dunno. Mind boggling, yet a possibility? :-\
Support often comes from something as simple as blind loyalty; i.e., a Republican would never throw their support behind a Democrat no matter how insane some of their party's policies are. Same with Democrats voting Republican. As for Palin, there's so many Americans, so she's bound to get a percentage of folks to follow her - she's a rootsy media manipulator, good looking (admit it, but in an evil dumb siren kind of way) and she can garner some votes via a rather uninspiring class of Republican presidential hopefuls. Anyway, as an outsider whose country is uniquely tied to the US like no other in the world (and vice versa), I'm both fascinated and terrified of a Palin president.
Blind loyalty is right. That's the only way she'll manage to get votes, simply by marketing herself as the opposite of those "evil Democrats." She's latched onto these catchphrases and a non-existent ideal of what it means to be an "American." This has created a smoke and mirrors effect, causing people to belief that she could succeed in a position of power.
A huge part of me still has faith in the American people that if she actually ran for President, we would elect the right person in the end. *crosses fingers*
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jun 05, 2011, 06:57 PM
I swear, this shit just gets more bizarre
Sarah Palin: Paul Revere Did Warn The British That The British Were Coming! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLQTcZwbykw#ws)
And there are MILLIONS of Amercans who support this person. Mind boggling.
The still frame of that looks like something grabbed from a mid-90s Psychic Friends commercial
::insert rage and frustration::
Sarah Palin is a dumb cunt. not sure what else to say it's beyond words at this point. how many more years do we have to listen to this bitch?
http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/13/sarah-palin-writing-level_n_874790.html (http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/13/sarah-palin-writing-level_n_874790.html)
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 07, 2011, 06:24 PM
::insert rage and frustration::
Sarah Palin is a dumb cunt. not sure what else to say it's beyond words at this point. how many more years do we have to listen to this bitch?
Hopefully only 1 then she just goes away, far away
something tells me she'll be around long after Limbaugh retires.
Ahh. A douche for a douche. Isn't that in scripture somewhere?
Quote from: mjk73 on Jun 14, 2011, 08:08 PM
Ahh. A douche for a douche. Isn't that in scripture somewhere?
I have a list of people I currently hate as much as Palin if not more. Palin is obviously the dumbest fucking person in politics right now but to me the following people drive me just as insane at times:
Michelle Bachmann
Mitt Romney
Mitch McConnell
Eric Canter
Rick Santorum
Tim Pawlenty
Rand Paul
Karl Rove
Newt Gingrich
Mike Huckabee
Paul Ryan
John Boehner
--- like every single fucking one of them. it's insanity. there's more but I had to stop.
I love ther's so much talk about blind loyalty with respect to those "Evil Republicans" while simutaneously ignoring the same behavior on the part of the followers of your chosen lefty political philosophy (not to mention many of you yourselves for that matter). There are far more irritating and just plain idiotic individuals on the left:
Sheila Jackson Lee--like fingernails on chalkboard on the stupidity scale
Barbara Boxer
Chucky Schumer
Barack Obama--Nero fiddling while the US flames out (plus where's the outrage akin to that received by Bush for the wars BHO has thrust our military into???)
Action figure Anthony Weiner (I love this s**t since he was always such a putz in his Fox appearances)
Al Franken--no words can possibley justify this joke
John Kerry--useless elitist
Patrick Leahy--poster child for term limits
Harry Reid--poster child for obstruction
Nancy Pelosi--pure democratic hypocrite (actually all of these fall into this category)
I could go on but am getting knuckle cramps you get the idea...
One last things tho--IMO throwing words around like the c-word in regards to people you only know in the most cursory, media-slanted way pretty much removes you from qualifying as a rational politcal opinion.
Quote from: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 15, 2011, 07:17 PM
I love ther's so much talk about blind loyalty with respect to those "Evil Republicans" while simutaneously ignoring the same behavior on the part of the followers of your chosen lefty political philosophy (not to mention many of you yourselves for that matter). There are far more irritating and just plain idiotic individuals on the left:
Sheila Jackson Lee--like fingernails on chalkboard on the stupidity scale
Barbara Boxer
Chucky Schumer
Barack Obama--Nero fiddling while the US flames out (plus where's the outrage akin to that received by Bush for the wars BHO has thrust our military into???)
Action figure Anthony Weiner (I love this s**t since he was always such a putz in his Fox appearances)
Al Franken--no words can possibley justify this joke
John Kerry--useless elitist
Patrick Leahy--poster child for term limits
Harry Reid--poster child for obstruction
Nancy Pelosi--pure democratic hypocrite (actually all of these fall into this category)
I could go on but am getting knuckle cramps you get the idea...
One last things tho--IMO throwing words around like the c-word in regards to people you only know in the most cursory, media-slanted way pretty much removes you from qualifying as a rational politcal opinion.
this is why i hate politics right now. Maybe it's always been this way to some degree, but it seems like now more than ever, you either love or hate this side or that. Hate is such a strong word, and I know they say there is always going to be two sides to every argument, but the rhetoric that the mainstream media along with the "pundits" on each side do little to gain any ground on said arguments. this leads to a lot of finger pointing and name calling which therefore wastes even more time on solving critical issues that really are petrifying if you think long and hard about 'em.
i serve my country with endless gratitude, but things have gotten far out of control when the left and right can't come to agreements of any kind anymore. where are the leaders that understand that compromise and humility are the two biggest traits that we need right now to get us through these fucked up times?
i feel like the world is like some big huge space ship that just woke up from lightyears of hypersleep and we just realized that we're flying straight into a huge object that's gonna wreck us if we don't work together to "right the course"
Quote from: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 15, 2011, 07:17 PM
I love ther's so much talk about blind loyalty with respect to those "Evil Republicans" while simutaneously ignoring the same behavior on the part of the followers of your chosen lefty political philosophy (not to mention many of you yourselves for that matter). There are far more irritating and just plain idiotic individuals on the left:
Sheila Jackson Lee--like fingernails on chalkboard on the stupidity scale
Barbara Boxer
Chucky Schumer
Barack Obama--Nero fiddling while the US flames out (plus where's the outrage akin to that received by Bush for the wars BHO has thrust our military into???)
Action figure Anthony Weiner (I love this s**t since he was always such a putz in his Fox appearances)
Al Franken--no words can possibley justify this joke
John Kerry--useless elitist
Patrick Leahy--poster child for term limits
Harry Reid--poster child for obstruction
Nancy Pelosi--pure democratic hypocrite (actually all of these fall into this category)
I could go on but am getting knuckle cramps you get the idea...
One last things tho--IMO throwing words around like the c-word in regards to people you only know in the most cursory, media-slanted way pretty much removes you from qualifying as a rational politcal opinion.
desperate.
Quote from: darkglow on Jun 16, 2011, 12:08 AM
Quote from: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 15, 2011, 07:17 PM
I love ther's so much talk about blind loyalty with respect to those "Evil Republicans" while simutaneously ignoring the same behavior on the part of the followers of your chosen lefty political philosophy (not to mention many of you yourselves for that matter). There are far more irritating and just plain idiotic individuals on the left:
Sheila Jackson Lee--like fingernails on chalkboard on the stupidity scale
Barbara Boxer
Chucky Schumer
Barack Obama--Nero fiddling while the US flames out (plus where's the outrage akin to that received by Bush for the wars BHO has thrust our military into???)
Action figure Anthony Weiner (I love this s**t since he was always such a putz in his Fox appearances)
Al Franken--no words can possibley justify this joke
John Kerry--useless elitist
Patrick Leahy--poster child for term limits
Harry Reid--poster child for obstruction
Nancy Pelosi--pure democratic hypocrite (actually all of these fall into this category)
I could go on but am getting knuckle cramps you get the idea...
One last things tho--IMO throwing words around like the c-word in regards to people you only know in the most cursory, media-slanted way pretty much removes you from qualifying as a rational politcal opinion.
this is why i hate politics right now. Maybe it's always been this way to some degree, but it seems like now more than ever, you either love or hate this side or that. Hate is such a strong word, and I know they say there is always going to be two sides to every argument, but the rhetoric that the mainstream media along with the "pundits" on each side do little to gain any ground on said arguments. this leads to a lot of finger pointing and name calling which therefore wastes even more time on solving critical issues that really are petrifying if you think long and hard about 'em.
i serve my country with endless gratitude, but things have gotten far out of control when the left and right can't come to agreements of any kind anymore. where are the leaders that understand that compromise and humility are the two biggest traits that we need right now to get us through these fucked up times?
i feel like the world is like some big huge space ship that just woke up from lightyears of hypersleep and we just realized that we're flying straight into a huge object that's gonna wreck us if we don't work together to "right the course"
Darkglow 2012!
I'm as lefty as they come, but I will take the middle ground over stalemate, fillibuster, and hypocrisy any day.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 16, 2011, 01:10 AM
Quote from: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 15, 2011, 07:17 PM
I love ther's so much talk about blind loyalty with respect to those "Evil Republicans" while simutaneously ignoring the same behavior on the part of the followers of your chosen lefty political philosophy (not to mention many of you yourselves for that matter). There are far more irritating and just plain idiotic individuals on the left:
Sheila Jackson Lee--like fingernails on chalkboard on the stupidity scale
Barbara Boxer
Chucky Schumer
Barack Obama--Nero fiddling while the US flames out (plus where's the outrage akin to that received by Bush for the wars BHO has thrust our military into???)
Action figure Anthony Weiner (I love this s**t since he was always such a putz in his Fox appearances)
Al Franken--no words can possibley justify this joke
John Kerry--useless elitist
Patrick Leahy--poster child for term limits
Harry Reid--poster child for obstruction
Nancy Pelosi--pure democratic hypocrite (actually all of these fall into this category)
I could go on but am getting knuckle cramps you get the idea...
One last things tho--IMO throwing words around like the c-word in regards to people you only know in the most cursory, media-slanted way pretty much removes you from qualifying as a rational politcal opinion.
desperate.
Yes you are desperate--weak response too btw...keep workin'
Quote from: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 16, 2011, 03:41 PM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 16, 2011, 01:10 AM
Quote from: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 15, 2011, 07:17 PM
I love ther's so much talk about blind loyalty with respect to those "Evil Republicans" while simutaneously ignoring the same behavior on the part of the followers of your chosen lefty political philosophy (not to mention many of you yourselves for that matter). There are far more irritating and just plain idiotic individuals on the left:
Sheila Jackson Lee--like fingernails on chalkboard on the stupidity scale
Barbara Boxer
Chucky Schumer
Barack Obama--Nero fiddling while the US flames out (plus where's the outrage akin to that received by Bush for the wars BHO has thrust our military into???)
Action figure Anthony Weiner (I love this s**t since he was always such a putz in his Fox appearances)
Al Franken--no words can possibley justify this joke
John Kerry--useless elitist
Patrick Leahy--poster child for term limits
Harry Reid--poster child for obstruction
Nancy Pelosi--pure democratic hypocrite (actually all of these fall into this category)
I could go on but am getting knuckle cramps you get the idea...
One last things tho--IMO throwing words around like the c-word in regards to people you only know in the most cursory, media-slanted way pretty much removes you from qualifying as a rational politcal opinion.
desperate.
Yes you are desperate--weak response too btw...keep workin'
the difference between your list and my list is in my list I didn't have to give you an opinion or reference to who the person is. the people are known for being douchebags and obstructionists. the only female politician that MAY be more of a cunt than Palin is Michelle Bachmann. considering we're talking about pundits and congress people I'm surprised you named Obama.
The left might be pussies and even in some cases corrupt, sure of course. BUT today's democrat is closer to a moderate republican than an actual true democrat. There are very few exception of this fact. Republicans are now all about Big Business, that's all they have left. scamming money. Tim Pawlenty wants to give the rich even huger tax cuts. I think he wants to take them down to 25percent or something like that instead of the now 36percent. It's insanity.
These same people you support, the people who claim they want smaller government and less regulation are the same people who think Abortion and Gay Marriage is wrong. It's such gross hypocrisy, truly beyond words. It's one gigantic theatrical act. I'm not excusing Democrats from stupidity but conservatives are far more obstructive and they do not seek to meet any of my interests whatsoever. nor yours or any other middle class american.
You dis Weiner for some pics he sent a chick in vegas via twitter yet you have candidates in your party like Newt Gingrich who are far more sleazy. Gingrich is even sleazier than John Edwards. But conservatives protected Newt until his entire team quit last week. Plus, Weiner didn't even leak or release the photos that Andrew Brietbart dude did. It was tabloid journalism at best. Who carries around pictures of another dudes junk? a fucking asshole that's who, not somebody who is trying to make our country better. that said, it's smart of penis..err I mean, Weiner resigned now the republicans distraction is gone and we can get back to looking at these nutzo candidates.
Mitt Romney mormon panderer, liar extraordinaire. hypocrite.
Herman Cain - loves pizza
Republicans, Conservatives, The Tea Party people all are a completely insane. They ignore reality and replace it with rhetoric and hot air. They're only goal now is to strip us of as many social programs as possible and deregulate as much as they can for big business.
You make great points darkglow, but the only thing I disagree with saying that the right has equally good ideas to the left. the right simply does not. their policies are proven failures. trickle down, Reaganomics, flat taxes, etc etc. failure after failure. Pawlenty left his state with a 6billion dollar deficit, you can't tell me these guys have any real plan other than to help the wealthy because "it's the wealthy who creates jobs". but they just invest it back into hedge funds and Ferrari's and other bullshit. I will never understand why any member of the working poor would support republicans/conservative. To be honest now after thinking about it I can't believe how anybody who is not in the upper 2percent would support these loons.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 16, 2011, 07:31 PMYou make great points darkglow, but the only thing I disagree with saying that the right has equally good ideas to the left. the right simply does not. their policies are proven failures. trickle down, Reaganomics, flat taxes, etc etc. failure after failure.
the problem with this one team against another.. is that libertarians and independents like ron paul and jesse ventura have to basically pick a side or else get outvoted by people who are voting for the best chance to beat the party they hate vice the best choice that fits their moral values..
jesse ventura.. despite all the conspiracy theory looney talk.. left as governor of Minnesota with a budget that was in the "BLACK" which means he solved the debt problem there.
ron paul.. despite his flaws as a creationist bozo.. believes in the abolishment of social agendas run by the government to overextend our resources.. yet he still has the decency to understand what it would do to those who depend on those agenda and is at least offering options to alleviate the short-term negative effects it would bring to those people..
they're forced into running in the republican party because they know that it's their only shot at mounting a unified assault on the current set of players in office...
it's really sad that Sarah Palin is allowed to distract the american masses from the real social issues at hand.. instead we'd like to watch a documentary filmed of her family and how it must be to live the "good life"
Gotta agree with darkglow on this one. There are a LOT of Republicans I hate and same with Democrats, however, I don't buy into the sentiment that if you call yourself a Republican then you automatically ascribe to every leaning or sentiment associated with the party. Same with the other side. The "talking heads" and pundits (from both parties) have created such a divide in the political spectrum that candidates who have middle ground values are basically screwed. I believe in fiscal responsibility and individual rights as a citizen as well as planned parenthood and a woman's right to have an abortion, but I don't believe in unnecessary wars or a government that is too big. A government that can give everything to its people can also take everything away. So where's my candidate? Candidates aren't allowed to have mixed views on issues either, because politics today have turned into a world of extremist beliefs with no one crossing party lines to work through the problems in this country.
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 17, 2011, 08:40 AM
Candidates aren't allowed to have mixed views on issues either, because politics today have turned into a world of extremist beliefs with no one crossing party lines to work through the problems in this country.
I partly blame the 24 hour news cycle for this and the fact that we are turning into an ADD nation. Politicians are sound bites that identify with being on the left or right. And let's face it, if the Dems and Reps can "share" or "switch back and forth" the power (like the usually do) every 2,4,6 years, neither of them have reason to change. It keeps them both in cycles of power and it keeps the corporations they support in business.
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 17, 2011, 08:40 AM
Gotta agree with darkglow on this one. There are a LOT of Republicans I hate and same with Democrats, however, I don't buy into the sentiment that if you call yourself a Republican then you automatically ascribe to every leaning or sentiment associated with the party. Same with the other side. The "talking heads" and pundits (from both parties) have created such a divide in the political spectrum that candidates who have middle ground values are basically screwed. I believe in fiscal responsibility and individual rights as a citizen as well as planned parenthood and a woman's right to have an abortion, but I don't believe in unnecessary wars or a government that is too big. A government that can give everything to its people can also take everything away. So where's my candidate? Candidates aren't allowed to have mixed views on issues either, because politics today have turned into a world of extremist beliefs with no one crossing party lines to work through the problems in this country.
of course. but there are plenty of "Moderate Republicans" who are supporting your views on these very issues right now in congress. They're called democrats.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 17, 2011, 12:27 PM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 17, 2011, 08:40 AM
Gotta agree with darkglow on this one. There are a LOT of Republicans I hate and same with Democrats, however, I don't buy into the sentiment that if you call yourself a Republican then you automatically ascribe to every leaning or sentiment associated with the party. Same with the other side. The "talking heads" and pundits (from both parties) have created such a divide in the political spectrum that candidates who have middle ground values are basically screwed. I believe in fiscal responsibility and individual rights as a citizen as well as planned parenthood and a woman's right to have an abortion, but I don't believe in unnecessary wars or a government that is too big. A government that can give everything to its people can also take everything away. So where's my candidate? Candidates aren't allowed to have mixed views on issues either, because politics today have turned into a world of extremist beliefs with no one crossing party lines to work through the problems in this country.
of course. but there are plenty of "Moderate Republicans" who are supporting your views on these very issues right now in congress. They're called democrats.
Oh, Sticky. Don't let them hear you call them "Moderate Republicans...."
I'm referencing what noam chomsky said in a lecture in wales (I think). It's on youtube in 3parts, I'll look for it when I get home. Chomsky points out how today Reagan would be seen as extremely liberal as far as republicans go. There has been and continues to be a dramatic shift towards the right. that's all I'm saying. It's undeniable.
I'm pretty sure gay marriage and abortion is an issue because 78percent of american's are christian.
also, let's not forget we live in a country where half the populations believes that the world was created a few thousands years ago exactly as it is now, fossils and all. a third of the population thinks that every word of the bible is literally true. 90percent believe in miracles. two thirds are expecting the second coming. When I think about how religiously extreme our country is it makes my head explode.
Those christians make up the majority of the republican base.
Yeah and the weird thing is that Jesus' teachings were all about taking care of the poor, weak, and vulnerable, forgiving mistakes, being compassionate and being humble. All of those things are the opposite of the right wing/conservative political agenda in America, which as far as I can see is about the rich and powerful selfishly trying to remain rich and powerful, no matter how many lives they destroy and how badly they fuck up the environment. I don't know how anybody can be a right wing conservative and still call themselves a follower of Christ. Just goes to show how fucked up the institution of so called Christianity has become.
Quote from: Shug on Jun 17, 2011, 11:20 PM
Yeah and the weird thing is that Jesus' teachings were all about taking care of the poor, weak, and vulnerable, forgiving mistakes, being compassionate and being humble. All of those things are the opposite of the right wing/conservative political agenda in America, which as far as I can see is about the rich and powerful selfishly trying to remain rich and powerful, no matter how many lives they destroy and how badly they fuck up the environment. I don't know how anybody can be a right wing conservative and still call themselves a follower of Christ. Just goes to show how fucked up the institution of so called Christianity has become.
I too often wonder about this.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 16, 2011, 07:31 PM
I will never understand why any member of the working poor would support republicans/conservative.
I agree w/ pretty much everything you say, but this is the bottom freaking line for me. I don't get it. I see so many poor people laid off from their jobs, no health insurance, can't afford COBRA with their unemployment, but they watch Fox news and spout the right wing bs and they're mislead and I don't fucking get it. What do they think the Republicans will do for them??
All our problems would be solved if we just let the rich get richer and let it trickle down? REALLY??
Quote from: jaye on Jun 18, 2011, 12:07 AM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 16, 2011, 07:31 PM
I will never understand why any member of the working poor would support republicans/conservative.
I agree w/ pretty much everything you say, but this is the bottom freaking line for me. I don't get it. I see so many poor people laid off from their jobs, no health insurance, can't afford COBRA with their unemployment, but they watch Fox news and spout the right wing bs and they're mislead and I don't fucking get it. What do they think the Republicans will do for them??
All our problems would be solved if we just let the rich get richer and let it trickle down? REALLY??
I voted for Obama, but one thing the Dems fail to realize is that in a capitalistic society there will ALWAYS be poor people. PERIOD. I think some Dems have this idea they will somehow create a society where there will NOT being a working poor, but there will ALWAYS be a working poor. Someobody has to clean Al Gore's and John Kerry's pools, right? Someone has to drive Bill Clinton's limo and somone will have to wait on Nancy Pelosi. Trust me, tose fat cats can talk all day, but they ain't giving shit up to some wealth redistribution ;D
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jun 18, 2011, 12:33 AM
Quote from: jaye on Jun 18, 2011, 12:07 AM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 16, 2011, 07:31 PM
I will never understand why any member of the working poor would support republicans/conservative.
I agree w/ pretty much everything you say, but this is the bottom freaking line for me. I don't get it. I see so many poor people laid off from their jobs, no health insurance, can't afford COBRA with their unemployment, but they watch Fox news and spout the right wing bs and they're mislead and I don't fucking get it. What do they think the Republicans will do for them??
All our problems would be solved if we just let the rich get richer and let it trickle down? REALLY??
I voted for Obama, but one thing the Dems fail to realize is that in a capitalistic society there will ALWAYS be poor people. PERIOD. I think some Dems have this idea they will somehow create a society where there will NOT being a working poor, but there will ALWAYS be a working poor. Someobody has to clean Al Gore's and John Kerry's pools, right? Someone has to drive Bill Clinton's limo and somone will have to wait on Nancy Pelosi. Trust me, tose fat cats can talk all day, but they ain't giving shit up to some wealth redistribution ;D
good points tracy. I agreed with you for once. BUT at the same time the american dream is an idea based on the fact that there would be a strong middle class. a majority middle class. not 400 people having more money than the bottom 50percent combined. so where do we go from here? rich people bitch about being taxed and they are paying less than they did in the 1950's. I don't understand how conservatives get away with it and don't understand how people can support them. I don't see the carrot. what are they dangling that is worth chasing? large tax breaks for the wealthy? no more unions? it's nuts.
Quote from: jaye on Jun 18, 2011, 12:07 AM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 16, 2011, 07:31 PM
I will never understand why any member of the working poor would support republicans/conservative.
I agree w/ pretty much everything you say, but this is the bottom freaking line for me. I don't get it. I see so many poor people laid off from their jobs, no health insurance, can't afford COBRA with their unemployment, but they watch Fox news and spout the right wing bs and they're mislead and I don't fucking get it. What do they think the Republicans will do for them??
All our problems would be solved if we just let the rich get richer and let it trickle down? REALLY??
we all should have health insurance. it's bullshit people suffer in our country for as bad ass as we're suppose to be. universal health care bills have been denied since like 1912. the british gave their people health care, we didn't. fuckin commie's.
You're absolutely right, Sticky....the far right is getting more and more conservative. And the American Dream is dying....or at least changing. That's what I did my thesis on...the shift during the 1980s and how we've turned into an instant gratification nation and have completely lost sight of what it means to work hard, make money, and stay out of debt.
I digress.
I suppose my problem with the state of the government today is the amount of money thrown at problems. I don't believe that pumping money into everything works in the long run and creating tremendous debt is going to bite us in the ass big time. HOWEVER...I worry about this less than I do the Republicans who refuse to budge on social issues such as abortion and gay marriage. How archaic is it to deny someone the right to get married?? It's an awful concept. Not to mention the fact that the divorce rate among heterosexual couples is way too high for anyone to make the argument that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. It's ridiculous.
In the words of Bart Simpson: "God schmod...I want my monkey man!!"
all i will do for this topic is quote jim-
Im amazed by a divided nation
and a divided forum :P
I think we have to expect a forum divided politically. MMJ is left of center, but mostly apolitical. And this just shows that some Republicans, despite their flaws, have good taste in music. ;)
I sooooo don't consider myself a Republican. ???
*unscrews Cobdederate flag license plate from front of pickup* :P
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 18, 2011, 10:43 AM
You're absolutely right, Sticky....the far right is getting more and more conservative.
Well, any more far right and we're talking fascism.
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/living/2011/06/19/nr.palin.letter.gilgof.intv.cnn (http://cnn.com/video/?/video/living/2011/06/19/nr.palin.letter.gilgof.intv.cnn)
Quote from: Jaimoe on Jun 19, 2011, 07:13 AM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 18, 2011, 10:43 AM
You're absolutely right, Sticky....the far right is getting more and more conservative.
Well, any more far right and we're talking fascism.
I think both sides are sliding right, especially the democrats. 16percent of the population is atheist/agnostic/unaffiliated and for the most part have no representation. if there is it's minimal to the point of having absolutely no affect on policy.
that video darkglow posted is a perfect example of how fucking stupid american's are. yes, it's sad that she has a son with downs. and yeah, it's nothing that should be made fun of. but at the same time, I think most mothers have that nurture mentality about a fetus that is growing inside of them. So when CNN is reporting that both sides empathize with her down syndrome son they're probably right but it has nothing to do with politics or people thinking she's actually intelligent. that story isn't even news. I'm not sure what you'd even call that type of story, drivel? why not use that letter to focus on ALL of the kids in america with down syndrome, according to google 1 out of every 800kids is born with it. a prime opportunity to educate the public on a health issue that affects so many people in our country is compacted down into a sarah palin story. It pisses me off big time she is the story and not down syndrome.
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 19, 2011, 01:58 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Jun 19, 2011, 07:13 AM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 18, 2011, 10:43 AM
You're absolutely right, Sticky....the far right is getting more and more conservative.
Well, any more far right and we're talking fascism.
I think both sides are sliding right, especially the democrats. 16percent of the population is atheist/agnostic/unaffiliated and for the most part have no representation. if there is it's minimal to the point of having absolutely no affect on policy.
that video darkglow posted is a perfect example of how fucking stupid american's are. yes, it's sad that she has a son with downs. and yeah, it's nothing that should be made fun of. but at the same time, I think most mothers have that nurture mentality about a fetus that is growing inside of them. So when CNN is reporting that both sides empathize with her down syndrome son they're probably right but it has nothing to do with politics or people thinking she's actually intelligent. that story isn't even news. I'm not sure what you'd even call that type of story, drivel? why not use that letter to focus on ALL of the kids in america with down syndrome, according to google 1 out of every 800kids is born with it. a prime opportunity to educate the public on a health issue that affects so many people in our country is compacted down into a sarah palin story. It pisses me off big time she is the story and not down syndrome.
Here is Palin's entire letter:
To the Sisters, Brother, Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, Cousins, and Friends of Trig Paxson Van Palin (or whatever you end up naming him!):
I am blessing you with this surprise baby because I only want the best for you. I've heard your prayers that this baby will be happy and healthy, and I've answered them because I only want the best for you!
I heard your heart when you hinted that another boy would fit best in the Palin family, to round it out and complete that starting five line-up.
Though another girl would be so nice, you didn't think you could ask for what you REALLY wanted, but I knew, so I gave you a boy because I only want the best for you!
Then, I put the idea in your hearts that his name should be 'Trig', because it's so fitting, with two Norse meanings: "True" and "Brave Victory". You also have a Bristol Bay relative with that name, so I knew it would be best for you!
Then, I let Trig's mom have an exceptionally comfortable pregnancy so she could enjoy every minute of it, and I even seemed to rush it along so she could wait until near the end to surprise you with the news - that way Piper wouldn't have so long to wait and count down so many days - just like Christmastime when you have to wait, impatiently, for that special day to finally open your gift? (Or the way the Palmas look forward to birthday celebrations that go on for three, four days_ you all really like cake.) I know you, I knew you'd be better off with just a short time to wait!
Then, finally, I let Trig's mom and dad find out before he was born that this little boy will truly be a GIFT. They were told in early tests that Trig may provide more challenges, and more joy, than what they ever may have imagined or ever asked for.
At first the news seemed unreal and sad and confusing. But I gave Trig's mom and dad lots of time to think about it because they needed lots of time to understand that everything will be OK, in fact, everything will be great, because I only want the best for you!
I've given Trig's mom and dad peace and joy as they wait to meet their new son. I gave them a happy anticipation because they asked me for that.
I'll give all of you the same happy anticipation and strength to deal with Trig's challenges, but I won't impose on you... I just need to know you want to receive my offer to be with all of you and help you everyday to make Trig's life a great one.
This new person in your life can help everyone put things in perspective and bind us together and get everyone focused on what really matters.
The baby will expand your world and let you see and feel things you haven't experienced yet. He'll show you what "true, brave victory" really means as those who love him will think less about self and focus less on what the world tells you is "normal" or "perfect°.
You will grow and be blessed with greater understanding that will he born along with Trig.Trig will be his dad's little buddy and he'll wear Carhartts while he learns to tinker in the garage. He'll love to be read to, he'll want to play goalie, and he'll steal his mom's heart just like Track, Bristol, Willow and Piper did.
And Trig will be the cuddly, innocent, mischievous, dependent little brother that his siblings have been waiting for_in fact Trig will - in some diagnostic ways - always be a mischievous, dependent little brother, because I created him a bit different than a lot of babies born into this world today.
Every child is created special, with awesome purpose and amazing potential. Children are the most precious and promising ingredient in this mixed up world you live in down there on earth. Trig is no different, except he has one extra chromosome. Doctors call it "Down's Syndrome", and Downs kids have challenges, but can bring you much delight and more love than you can ever imagine! Just wait and see, let me prove this, because I only want the best for you!
Some of the rest of the world may not want him, but take comfort in that because the world will not compete for him. Take care of him and he will always be yours!
Trig's mom and dad don't want people to focus on the baby's extra chromosome. They're human, so they haven't known how to explain this to people who are so caring and are interested in this new little Alaskan. Sarah and Todd want people to share in the joy of this gift I'm giving to the Palin family, and the greater Alaska family.
Many people won't understand_ and I understand that. Some will think Trig should not be allowed to be born because they fear a Downs child won't be considered "perfect" in your world. (But tell me, what do you earthlings consider "perfect" or even "normal" anyway? Have you peeked down any grocery store isle, or school hallway, or into your office lunchroom lately? Or considered the odd celebrities you celebrate as "perfect" on t.v.? Have you noticed I make 'em all shapes and sizes? Believe me, there is no "perfect"!)
Many people will express sympathy, but you don't want or need that, because Trig will be a joy. You will have to trust me on this.
I know it will take time to grasp this and come to accept that I only want the best for you, and I only give my best. Remember though: "My ways are not your ways, my thoughts are not your thoughts- for as the heavens are higher than the earth, my ways are higher than yours!"
I wrote that all down for you in the Good Book! Look it up! You claim that you believe me - now it's time to live out that belief!
Please look to me as this new challenge and chapter of life unfolds in front of you. I promise to equip you. I won't give you anything you can't handle. I am answering your prayers. Trig can't wait to meet you. I'm giving you ONLY THE BEST!
Love,
Trig's Creator, Your Heavenly Father
jesus christ. so she's schizophrenic too? I feel bad for her kids, I truly do. all of them.
gimme some dirt on mitt romney other than he's mormon and obamneycare. I just read that during baby bush's entire 8years he only created 3million jobs, how can Romney or any republican run on "Jobs" and win?
the republican primaries are starting to gain momentum a bit more and this time round I really want to know what these nut jobs accomplishments or mistakes have been. throw up a source if you've got one, reading politic stuff is entertaining yo.
I know this is off topic, but the title of this thread keeps throwing me off...and making my mouth water ;D
Quote from: davymac on Jun 20, 2011, 09:11 PM
I know this is off topic, but the title of this thread keeps throwing me off...and making my mouth water ;D
mmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trainwreck_Strain.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trainwreck_Strain.jpg)
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 20, 2011, 09:15 PM
Quote from: davymac on Jun 20, 2011, 09:11 PM
I know this is off topic, but the title of this thread keeps throwing me off...and making my mouth water ;D
mmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trainwreck_Strain.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trainwreck_Strain.jpg)
And Im officially drooling on my keyboard...I like your cubes in your avatar too
Quote from: davymac on Jun 20, 2011, 09:20 PM
Quote from: Sticky Icky Green Stuff on Jun 20, 2011, 09:15 PM
Quote from: davymac on Jun 20, 2011, 09:11 PM
I know this is off topic, but the title of this thread keeps throwing me off...and making my mouth water ;D
mmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trainwreck_Strain.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trainwreck_Strain.jpg)
And Im officially drooling on my keyboard...I like your cubes in your avatar too
Drugs are bad-MMkay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9kXXfm0C_A#)
Requiem for a Rodeo Clown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYg-OJXapYQ#)
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jul 05, 2011, 11:34 AM
Requiem for a Rodeo Clown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYg-OJXapYQ#)
thank was funny. so he's done now aye?
favorite line is "you must now start to see yourself as Sarah Conor".