Okay, so Circuital is out and it seems as if most of us are enjoying the hell out of it. As I geared up for the release, I listened to their entire LP catalogue in its entirety and remembered just how much the band has changed in the past 10 years. I am pleased to say that I do enjoy all of their albums, and am happy that the band has progressed in the direction they have. Sure, I love me some Tennessee Fire and At Dawn, but I also love how different ISM is from the two. With Z, EU, and now Circuital, the band has further pushed the boundaries of their sound. Yet, when their music is played in a live setting, the different era songs mesh well together. My question to you is, what do you want MMJ to do on the next album? Where should they take their sound? And don't give me a "they should do what THEY want to do" type of answer....that is obviously what should happen. But if you were Jim and company, and it was up to you, what would you do?
I'll start:
I'm not a huge fan of rock operas, but I think it would be bad-ass if MMJ would try to make an album that flowed from the beginning to the end in a sort of operatic way. I'm not saying that they should necessarily go with a theme throughout, or even tell a story. I just think it would be cool for them to just make a album that would be a collection of songs that fit together perfectly, with no stops in between tracks. It would essentially be "Cobra" on crack. I think MMJ has so much up their sleeves and have a quirky side that would support something like this. It would allow them to showcase their instrumental skills and allow them to shake the verse, chorus, verse, chorus structure they have used on past albums. I wouldn't mind it being a little prog-rockish either. I love Circuital, but I want to hear Jim and Carl guitar battle....I want to go on a fucking journey. I don't exactly know what I want, but I want it to be epic. It doesn't have to be 9 hours long, but I want it to be on par with ISM's length. I want some more songs that resemble "Steam Engine" and "Dondante"....songs that go in all sorts of directions, leaving the listener confused, yet blown away.
Sorry for the length....what do you guys think?
I'd almost go in the opposite direction...all acoustic, one mike, first take.
But I also like the idea of epic guitar battles...
...my house.
i would like more pedal steel in unexpected places. a few heavy, brooding rockers would be interesting. maybe a few epic long tracks.
this is a great question, btw.
i know i read somewhere that doing it still moves, with super long songs, really killed them in the recording process. i'd like some 2 or 3 song ep's with longer songs and guitar jams if they can't bring themselves to record a lot of long songs for the albums. love everything they do though, no complaints for what they give us. can't wait for the live box set.
Quote from: wakebord on Jun 09, 2011, 03:32 PM
i know i read somewhere that doing it still moves, with super long songs, really killed them in the recording process. i'd like some 2 or 3 song ep's with longer songs and guitar jams if they can't bring themselves to record a lot of long songs for the albums. love everything they do though, no complaints for what they give us. can't wait for the live box set.
I like the EP idea...where have all the EP's gone!!
simplified, boiled down, underproduced raw MMJ style country album with balladry and epicness.
With Carl saying in one of the recent articles that he's grown to really love the pedal steel, I'd love an album full of story-lined back country songwriting (even though that isn't the direction Jim typically takes with lyrics).
I think this genre of music really suits them well even though they don't have much repertoire of this nature, and - being steeped in Burrito Bros majesty - I'd love to here them turn down this road!
No offense, but...
"Where should MMJ go next?"
Wherever they want to go. I'll follow.
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
I love you scotty. (Too much? ;D) Agree wholeheartedly...
Can I come over for hot cocoa and cold jameson? :coffee:
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
;D :thumbsup:
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
"Can we not dig the album..." I said at the beginning of my post that I was digging it. Doesn't mean that the world needs to stand still and we can't have a discussion on something non-Circuital related.
Sorry for asking people for their opinion on a music form....I think your response was kind of uncalled for. I'm sorry...I must be the first person to ever ask what they would like to hear from their favorite band.
And then a couple people pat him on the back for being an ass. Are we in middle school? The forum didn't used to be this way. But you are cool Scotty.
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 09, 2011, 09:40 PM
The forum didn't used to be this way.
man, you've been saying that for
years ; get over it, the forum is this way now.
Well that sucks....so back to the topic of discussing mmj (god forbid). We did have an ok discussion prior to the asshole comments.
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 09, 2011, 09:40 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
"Can we not dig the album..." I said at the beginning of my post that I was digging it. Doesn't mean that the world needs to stand still and we can't have a discussion on something non-Circuital related.
Sorry for asking people for their opinion on a music form....I think your response was kind of uncalled for. I'm sorry...I must be the first person to ever ask what they would like to hear from their favorite band.
And then a couple people pat him on the back for being an ass. Are we in middle school? The forum didn't used to be this way. But you are cool Scotty.
All Im saying is if youre enjoying the album, that just came out a week ago, why not enjoy it for awhile before going to the next step?!
Im all about anticipation, but when your favorite band's album just was released, you take it all in for what its worth, you dont worry bout the next album
Let's not forget that an album is rarely only those songs released on it. Combined with this "self-hypnosis" thing and an instrumental that sounds like the monster lovechild of a threesome with zappa, jerry, and miles, there's a whole lot more going on behind the scenes.
also, in my mind the band has won. look at how many bands put out 6 solid albums...not many. even with EU's faults, it wasn't a disgrace. by six albums, most bands become "fan-only", that is to say they really only appeal to their built in base. Pearl Jam is not going to be coming across many people who are like "oh man who ARE these guys? I might like to get into them".
#5 on billboard is phenomenal, the band finally has the prowess to really do whatever they want. the only mistake they can make is pulling a KOL.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 10:32 PM
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 09, 2011, 09:40 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
"Can we not dig the album..." I said at the beginning of my post that I was digging it. Doesn't mean that the world needs to stand still and we can't have a discussion on something non-Circuital related.
Sorry for asking people for their opinion on a music form....I think your response was kind of uncalled for. I'm sorry...I must be the first person to ever ask what they would like to hear from their favorite band.
And then a couple people pat him on the back for being an ass. Are we in middle school? The forum didn't used to be this way. But you are cool Scotty.
All Im saying is if youre enjoying the album, that just came out a week ago, why not enjoy it for awhile before going to the next step?!
Im all about anticipation, but when your favorite band's album just was released, you take it all in for what its worth, you dont worry bout the next album
I understand what you are saying, but I have been enjoying the album for a few weeks, and CONTINUE to enjoy it. I am about to get in my car in 45 minutes and enjoy it some more. I continue to actively talk about the album with friends and on this very message board. Now that the album is out, though, and most of us have listened to it a million times, I feel like its the perfect time to ask the question of "what's next." By doing so, I'm not shutting the door on Circuital discussions.....
But whatever, you seem like a cool boardie so I'm not going to continue pouting about you being a meanie-head. So come on Scotty, let's play make-believe. Where would you like to see MMJ explore?
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 09, 2011, 09:40 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
"Can we not dig the album..." I said at the beginning of my post that I was digging it. Doesn't mean that the world needs to stand still and we can't have a discussion on something non-Circuital related.
Sorry for asking people for their opinion on a music form....I think your response was kind of uncalled for. I'm sorry...I must be the first person to ever ask what they would like to hear from their favorite band.
And then a couple people pat him on the back for being an ass. Are we in middle school? The forum didn't used to be this way. But you are cool Scotty.
Didn't mean to sound so middleschoolish in that reply....scotty just cracks me the hell up sometimes. Bygones?
But Chode is on the right path....anywhere but the KOL route is pre-approved...
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 10, 2011, 08:29 AM
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 09, 2011, 09:40 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
"Can we not dig the album..." I said at the beginning of my post that I was digging it. Doesn't mean that the world needs to stand still and we can't have a discussion on something non-Circuital related.
Sorry for asking people for their opinion on a music form....I think your response was kind of uncalled for. I'm sorry...I must be the first person to ever ask what they would like to hear from their favorite band.
And then a couple people pat him on the back for being an ass. Are we in middle school? The forum didn't used to be this way. But you are cool Scotty.
Didn't mean to sound so middleschoolish in that reply....scotty just cracks me the hell up sometimes. Bygones?
Only sometimes? Hmm...you might have to wait awhile for that hot cocoa and cold jameson ;)
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 10, 2011, 08:29 AM
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 09, 2011, 09:40 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
"Can we not dig the album..." I said at the beginning of my post that I was digging it. Doesn't mean that the world needs to stand still and we can't have a discussion on something non-Circuital related.
Sorry for asking people for their opinion on a music form....I think your response was kind of uncalled for. I'm sorry...I must be the first person to ever ask what they would like to hear from their favorite band.
And then a couple people pat him on the back for being an ass. Are we in middle school? The forum didn't used to be this way. But you are cool Scotty.
Didn't mean to sound so middleschoolish in that reply....scotty just cracks me the hell up sometimes. Bygones?
But Chode is on the right path....anywhere but the KOL route is pre-approved...
It's cool. Bygones like a motha fucka.
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 10, 2011, 06:33 PM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 10, 2011, 08:29 AM
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 09, 2011, 09:40 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
"Can we not dig the album..." I said at the beginning of my post that I was digging it. Doesn't mean that the world needs to stand still and we can't have a discussion on something non-Circuital related.
Sorry for asking people for their opinion on a music form....I think your response was kind of uncalled for. I'm sorry...I must be the first person to ever ask what they would like to hear from their favorite band.
And then a couple people pat him on the back for being an ass. Are we in middle school? The forum didn't used to be this way. But you are cool Scotty.
Didn't mean to sound so middleschoolish in that reply....scotty just cracks me the hell up sometimes. Bygones?
But Chode is on the right path....anywhere but the KOL route is pre-approved...
It's cool. Bygones like a motha fucka.
word to your motha... *pounds chest with fist and gives peace sign*
But seriously....what I would LOVE to see from this band is a covers album. New covers and just for the hell of it. It would be amazing to see them cover songs from contemporary musicians they admire.
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 10, 2011, 05:14 PM
Quote from: kydiddle on Jun 10, 2011, 08:29 AM
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 09, 2011, 09:40 PM
Quote from: capt. scotty on Jun 09, 2011, 07:53 PM
Can we not dig the new album and let it absorb for a few months first before we talk about this?? Maybe see a few shows this summer and feel the sonic assault live???
In the words of Clay Davis, "sheeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttt"....I cant control where they go next, so why bother thinking about it.
I certainly wont even consider it until this winter when its dropping foothills outside and Im stuck inside with hot cocoa and cold jameson, and I have a better idea how I feel about Circuital than I could say a week or 2 later.
"Can we not dig the album..." I said at the beginning of my post that I was digging it. Doesn't mean that the world needs to stand still and we can't have a discussion on something non-Circuital related.
Sorry for asking people for their opinion on a music form....I think your response was kind of uncalled for. I'm sorry...I must be the first person to ever ask what they would like to hear from their favorite band.
And then a couple people pat him on the back for being an ass. Are we in middle school? The forum didn't used to be this way. But you are cool Scotty.
Didn't mean to sound so middleschoolish in that reply....scotty just cracks me the hell up sometimes. Bygones?
Only sometimes? Hmm...you might have to wait awhile for that hot cocoa and cold jameson ;)
Well, other than that 36 hour power nap in my bed during T5...that wasn't funny. ;)
I want them to do something with Friends Again, every time I hear that solo.... :)
Quote from: Nikkogino on Jun 09, 2011, 12:37 PM
I'll start:
I'm not a huge fan of rock operas, but I think it would be bad-ass if MMJ would try to make an album that flowed from the beginning to the end in a sort of operatic way. I'm not saying that they should necessarily go with a theme throughout, or even tell a story. I just think it would be cool for them to just make a album that would be a collection of songs that fit together perfectly, with no stops in between tracks. It would essentially be "Cobra" on crack. I think MMJ has so much up their sleeves and have a quirky side that would support something like this. It would allow them to showcase their instrumental skills and allow them to shake the verse, chorus, verse, chorus structure they have used on past albums. I wouldn't mind it being a little prog-rockish either. I love Circuital, but I want to hear Jim and Carl guitar battle....I want to go on a fucking journey.
Sorry for the length....what do you guys think?
I absolutely agree with this idea Nikko. I am not very familiar with Rock Operas, but I often think about how amazing it would be to create a play or movie with MMJ's
existing catalogue alone. Bermuda Highway, Golden, Strangulation, At Dawn and now Victory Dance especially have this effect on me. Even Okonokos has a tiny storyline to it and it makes the viewer feel like he/she is part of the "journey" as you put it. I think Jim James touched on this in an interview discussing the idea behind the characters in Okonokos. Maybe this just means I would like to see some music videos to visually see the band's ideas behind the music, even though I know they prefer to leave it up to us, which is also great. If MMJ doesn't write their own Rock Opera, maybe we can collaborate on a storyline of our own down the road sometime haha!
If their next album doesn't involve some cow-bell then so help me God...
Quote from: youreveningcoat on Jun 11, 2011, 01:51 AM
I want them to do something with Friends Again, every time I hear that solo.... :)
I noticed you are from NZ....I just visited there for a whole month. It was great. Have MMJ ever played there?