My Morning Jacket

So, Sgt. Peppers is usually regarded as the best album of rock and roll history. What record do you think is the number one most necessary album under the 'rock' umbrella (so this can include punk, hip hop, metal, pop....)? It doesn't necessarily have to be your favorite album ever, but rather the album that you consider "most important". And, if you agree that it's Sgt. Peppers, then why?

I'll start...
The Wall.
I really believe that this is the best album of all time.
It's not my favorite by any means, and even included my 2 least favorite Floyd songs.
From the opening, when Rogers "sets the stage", to Mother, which ends in the most spine tingling moment in RnR, in my opinion (mother, did it have to be so high?)... This record is just non-stop. This, as well as DSOTM and The Final Cut will sound like they were made in the future still in 50 years.

I know I've been hounded for saying this before on here, but I think Waters mastered the idea of a concept album with this one, and no one else has been able to create anything like it.

While I understand why the Beatles are remembered the way they are, I definitely think Floyd (and maybe a couple others) is truly a better band.


I will say, the Wall tour with all it's gimmicks and showmanship did kinda fuck that album up for me for some months.


Just a question for some musical conversation....

If I were going to choose a Floyd album, I choose Dark Side of the Moon. I get annoyed at Waters ego on The Wall.

I'll have to think on this one for awhile though. Good topic idea, ewind!  :thumbsup: :beer:

If I were a smartass (and I'm not, most of the time  :grin:) I'd say Sgt. Pepper's is my Sgt. Peppers.

Smartassery aside, I think Dark Side Of The Moon is one of the truly most perfect, utterly flawless rock albums of all time.  To me, it has no weak moment and nothing could make it any better than it is.  I can't really say that about any Beatles or Stones record, as much as I love them.  I agree with Fully about The Wall, I'm just not that into it because its too much Waters/not enough Gilmour for my tastes.  Dark Side is way more balanced between them (and between Mason and Wright, for that matter)

Others I'd consider would be:


Led Zepp IV
Who's Next

Van Morrison Moondance (nah, its not perfect, but damn close)

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Since the Grateful Dead have such a stronghold on my musical tastes, for me, my Sgt. Pepper's would have to be American Beauty.  This is pretty much the album that got me started on my long strange trip of following the Dead. 

Great topic.

I agree with everything e_wind said about Pink Floyd.  The Wall is perfect, but Animals is my personal favorite.  However, Dark Side of the Moon is definitely more "Sgt. Peppers" than Sgt. Peppers.  Dark Side of the Moon is flawless throughout, and as a whole, it is the best concept album to date imo.  Imo, the low point of Dark Side is Money, it is too up beat for the tone of the album.  Us and Them...amazing.

I agree with Shug, Sgt. Pepper's is my Sgt. Pepper's.


I'm with you on The Wall, but DSotM was Pink Floyd's most important and "necessary" record. Here is my choice in terms of influence, which I believe had the greatest lasting impact on "ROCK," in all its incarnations after 1970:

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Although Black Sabbath blew the door down for metal, I feel like Metallica's Kill Em All is one of the most important albums for that genre.  They took the heaviness of Sabbath, and the British metal bands (Priest and Maiden) and took it to a whole new level.  Everyone of their songs were these towering monsters.  The Four Horsemen was groundbreaking.  However, Puppets is definitely their best album.  Orion and Disposable Heroes make my head spin  :cheesy:.

Quote from: EverythingChanges on Nov 30, 2012, 10:36 PM
Although Black Sabbath blew the door down for metal, I feel like Metallica's Kill Em All is one of the most important albums for that genre.  They took the heaviness of Sabbath, and the British metal bands (Priest and Maiden) and took it to a whole new level.  Everyone of their songs were these towering monsters.  The Four Horsemen was groundbreaking.  However, Puppets is definitely their best album.  Orion and Disposable Heroes make my head spin  :cheesy: .

I hear you about Kill Em All and its effect on metal, but I believe Paranoid was not just a metal record...its influence was marked throughout the idea of rock music. Back then (again, 1970!), nobody knew what "heavy metal" was, it was being invented and evolved from the stuff these and other guys were making. I hear all sorts of things in that record that bring to mind lots more musical styles than just what later became known as metal, and I think lots of rock musicians in the early 70s and beyond did too.

I Fully agree with E about The Wall.  but.....



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I tried to find a picture of Geddy Lee with some girls to post here, but it was impossible.

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because we're both high as fuck!!

uh, that made much more sense like 2min ago. 

Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 01, 2012, 12:33 AM
because we're both high as fuck!!

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Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 01, 2012, 12:35 AM
uh, that made much more sense like 2min ago. 

I was just about to say this would make more sense if I hadn't deleted my earlier post.  :grin:

this thread officially Rules!!!

Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 01, 2012, 12:13 AM
I Fully agree with E about The Wall.  but.....



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This statement confuses me.

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I think this gives the best Beatles albums a run for their money. It's just so perfect the whole way through.

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Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 30, 2012, 05:46 PM
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cant say i didn't expect this....  :undecided:

according to Rolling stones, these are the top 10 albums and also ones mentioned on here thus far.

1. Sgt. Peppers
2. Pet Sounds
3. Revolver
4. Highway 61
5. Rubber Soul
6. Whats Going On
7. Exile On Main Street
8. London Calling
9. Blonde on Blonde
10. The Beatles
...
28. Who's Next
42. The Doors
43. The Dark Side of the Moon
87. The Wall
121. Paranoid


Not listed: Led Zep 4, Kill Em All, Jimmy Buffet, Hemispheres.

really surprised that LEd Zep 4 didn't cut it. Originally, I thought their list was pretty good. I think they did a good job considering how hard it would be to even choose the best 15 of all time. But from this perspective, the order of shit is kinda whack.

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 01, 2012, 07:32 PM
according to Rolling stones, these are the top 10 albums and also ones mentioned on here thus far.

1. Sgt. Peppers
2. Pet Sounds
3. Revolver
4. Highway 61
5. Rubber Soul
6. Whats Going On
7. Exile On Main Street
8. London Calling
9. Blonde on Blonde
10. The Beatles
...
28. Who's Next
42. The Doors
43. The Dark Side of the Moon
87. The Wall
121. Paranoid


Not listed: Led Zep 4, Kill Em All, Jimmy Buffet, Hemispheres.

really surprised that LEd Zep 4 didn't cut it. Originally, I thought their list was pretty good. I think they did a good job considering how hard it would be to even choose the best 15 of all time. But from this perspective, the order of shit is kinda whack.

DSotM not being in the top 5 already makes this list terrible.  Rolling Stones top lists usually suck.

Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Nov 30, 2012, 05:48 PM

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I have hesitated to even jump into this discussion, as it's obviously so subjective.  Also, it's impossible to judge exactly what we are talking about and assure that everyone is using the same criteria.  I understand the original question specified somewhat, saying 'not necessarily your favorite', but even if you could somehow exclude/be impartial about 'your favorite', what criteria is anyone/everyone using?  Rolling Stone, NME, critic's lists, our own choices, what is the basis?  Is it creativity?  As measured by what?  Influence?  Influence certainly could be a marker of creativity, but not necessarily, plenty of music has been 'creative' and so far out that it wasn't copied or imitated.  Hence lack of influence.  Is it popularity?  We all know and presumably agree, popularity doesn't equal quality (we are Jacket fans after all).  Is it some combination?  Who knows...

I will say this though, I continue to be disturbed (humorously) by the dismissal of The Beatles by some of the younger members of this board.  I have already had this discussion in another thread though, so I guess it's pointless to rehash it now, but I will simply say, that it's easier to be infatuated with a band (Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam) when you've only been listening to music for 15 years.  Not at all taking anything away from these bands, they may actually be the best, have made the best albums, whatever, but when you have a limited amount of time, things can hold your interest.  I love Floyd, but I listened through their entire catalogue 30 years ago, it's not that I don't think their great, they are, but once you are forced (by the repetition of time) to move onto other music, you might find something you think is even better - like The Beatles.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I know the Floyd lovers here have listened to The Beatles, probably a lot, but my point is that since you love Floyd so much and haven't yet gotten your fill, there has been no need to move onto really digging into maybe The Beatles, or The Stones, or Dylan.  Those guys all did psychedelics too ya know.

But I could be wrong.  And as far as what you think the greatest album is right now (again, by whatever standards we are using), I am obviously wrong, as many of you have made your opinions clear.  I would just say, that it's fine to dismiss Rolling Stone, or NME, or other critics, and it's certainly OK to dismiss me, but when most of those line up with an opinion that's different than yours, maybe there's a reason.  Maybe it's your perspective/appreciation that needs expansion. Maybe.  Or maybe not.

That said, since I bothered to get into this discussion at all, and having outlined the general futility of even defining this exercise (and without labeling anything 'my Sgt. Peppers'), here's a list of albums that were important to me, or I think were influential, or I think simply contain the best music - and would be in the running:

The Beatles - Abbey Road, The White Album
Pink Floyd - DSoTM
Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde
The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street, Let It Bleed
The Clash - London Calling
The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
Jay Z - The Blueprint, The Black Album
Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
Led Zeppelin - IV, Physical Graffiti
The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
Radiohead - OK Computer
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
Allman Brothers Band - At Fillmore East
The Who - Who's Next
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
Outkast - Stankonia

Ok, so I didn't follow the rules exactly, but the answer to the original question is probably in that list, depending on the interpretation of the original question.  That's pretty close to what my all time top 20 would be, off the top of my head and excluding jazz (Kind of Blue, Soultrain, etc.), and I am sure I would pull some out put others in, again depending on criteria.  How you're choosing is as important (and determines) what you choose...

Quote from: exist10z on Dec 01, 2012, 08:46 PM


I will say this though, I continue to be disturbed (humorously) by the dismissal of The Beatles by some of the younger members of this board.  I have already had this discussion in another thread though, so I guess it's pointless to rehash it now, but I will simply say, that it's easier to be infatuated with a band (Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam) when you've only been listening to music for 15 years.  Not at all taking anything away from these bands, they may actually be the best, have made the best albums, whatever, but when you have a limited amount of time, things can hold your interest.  I love Floyd, but I listened through their entire catalogue 30 years ago, it's not that I don't think their great, they are, but once you are forced (by the repetition of time) to move onto other music, you might find something you think is even better - like The Beatles.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I know the Floyd lovers here have listened to The Beatles, probably a lot, but my point is that since you love Floyd so much and haven't yet gotten your fill, there has been no need to move onto really digging into maybe The Beatles, or The Stones, or Dylan.  Those guys all did psychedelics too ya know.

But I could be wrong.  And as far as what you think the greatest album is right now (again, by whatever standards we are using), I am obviously wrong, as many of you have made your opinions clear.  I would just say, that it's fine to dismiss Rolling Stone, or NME, or other critics, and it's certainly OK to dismiss me, but when most of those line up with an opinion that's different than yours, maybe there's a reason.  Maybe it's your perspective/appreciation that needs expansion. Maybe.  Or maybe not.

1. Psychedelics have nothing to do with it. I doubt if I'll ever trip again.
2. I know the Beatles did drugs, and I'll be the first to say I could give a shit less about their career pre-drugs. Seriously.
3. I have never and probably will never say that Pink Floyd is my favorite band ever. There are loads out there that touch me personally on a deeper level.

You are right, to a degree, about my Beatles listening history. It's only 2 or so years deep. (Sorry I don't have the "experience" you deem neccesary for one to possess to say the Beatles are the greatest band of all time.) You're wrong though, to think that I'm dismissing the Beatles in any way shape or form. I absolutely love Abbey Road and The White Album and Revolver. Sgt. Peppers is great, too. (It's odd that you stated your opinions with some sort of assumption about what bands that I've given a listen to.)  I also love the Stones. Dylan is kind of hit or miss for me. You obviously know that I love Pearl Jam, but I would never, ever say that they have surpassed the superiority of the Beatles (or Floyd) in any way. But you know what, I strongly believe that the Beatles are were they are in the history of rock and roll because they broke so many boundaries, not because they produced the most quality work of all time. I think its a "first, not best" situation. I wouldn't even say they're overrated, I just think perhaps some other bands (Floyd, Stones, Zep) are underrated, when comparing.

I'm actually continually disturbed by the worlds eagerness to say  that the Beatles are the greatest band of all time, with no comparison, and if anyone possibly disagrees they're a  fucking idiot.

Also, complain about subjectivism, and then make a completely subjective argument.

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 01, 2012, 09:29 PM
I think its a "first, not best" situation. I wouldn't even say they're overrated, I just think perhaps some other bands (Floyd, Stones, Zep) are underrated, when comparing.

I'm actually continually disturbed by the worlds eagerness to say  that the Beatles are the greatest band of all time, with no comparison, and if anyone possibly disagrees they're a  fucking idiot.

I don't think you are an idiot, but I think perhaps a tiny bit myopic. And I know that is going to come off sounding shitty, and I apologise.

You mention the latter albums, but don't go dismissing the early work. It may sound frivolous and simple on the surface, but the songwriting is deceptively complex. These guys were geniuses at what they did and the work sounds as fresh today as it did 45 years ago.

They pretty much single-handedly created modern pop music. They synthesized a number of genres to create what we understand as the sound of youth. And they did it well. The music is effervescent - there is a kind of undeniable joy in Beatles songs. The band is equally comfortable writing silly songs, tender songs, love songs, rockers, etc. They were the original band that inspired a thousand bands.

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 01, 2012, 09:29 PM

Quote from: exist10z on Dec 01, 2012, 08:46 PM


I will say this though, I continue to be disturbed (humorously) by the dismissal of The Beatles by some of the younger members of this board.  I have already had this discussion in another thread though, so I guess it's pointless to rehash it now, but I will simply say, that it's easier to be infatuated with a band (Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam) when you've only been listening to music for 15 years.  Not at all taking anything away from these bands, they may actually be the best, have made the best albums, whatever, but when you have a limited amount of time, things can hold your interest.  I love Floyd, but I listened through their entire catalogue 30 years ago, it's not that I don't think their great, they are, but once you are forced (by the repetition of time) to move onto other music, you might find something you think is even better - like The Beatles.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I know the Floyd lovers here have listened to The Beatles, probably a lot, but my point is that since you love Floyd so much and haven't yet gotten your fill, there has been no need to move onto really digging into maybe The Beatles, or The Stones, or Dylan.  Those guys all did psychedelics too ya know.

But I could be wrong.  And as far as what you think the greatest album is right now (again, by whatever standards we are using), I am obviously wrong, as many of you have made your opinions clear.  I would just say, that it's fine to dismiss Rolling Stone, or NME, or other critics, and it's certainly OK to dismiss me, but when most of those line up with an opinion that's different than yours, maybe there's a reason.  Maybe it's your perspective/appreciation that needs expansion. Maybe.  Or maybe not.

1. Psychedelics have nothing to do with it. I doubt if I'll ever trip again.
2. I know the Beatles did drugs, and I'll be the first to say I could give a shit less about their career pre-drugs. Seriously.
3. I have never and probably will never say that Pink Floyd is my favorite band ever. There are loads out there that touch me personally on a deeper level.

You are right, to a degree, about my Beatles listening history. It's only 2 or so years deep. (Sorry I don't have the "experience" you deem neccesary for one to possess to say the Beatles are the greatest band of all time.) You're wrong though, to think that I'm dismissing the Beatles in any way shape or form. I absolutely love Abbey Road and The White Album and Revolver. Sgt. Peppers is great, too. (It's odd that you stated your opinions with some sort of assumption about what bands that I've given a listen to.)  I also love the Stones. Dylan is kind of hit or miss for me. You obviously know that I love Pearl Jam, but I would never, ever say that they have surpassed the superiority of the Beatles (or Floyd) in any way. But you know what, I strongly believe that the Beatles are were they are in the history of rock and roll because they broke so many boundaries, not because they produced the most quality work of all time. I think its a "first, not best" situation. I wouldn't even say they're overrated, I just think perhaps some other bands (Floyd, Stones, Zep) are underrated, when comparing.

I'm actually continually disturbed by the worlds eagerness to say  that the Beatles are the greatest band of all time, with no comparison, and if anyone possibly disagrees they're a  fucking idiot.

Also, complain about subjectivism, and then make a completely subjective argument.

Seriously buddy, I wasn't just talking about you, and I wasn't questioning your knowledge of music, and I am honestly bummed you took it as personally as it appears.  If anything, I was trying to understand, and work it out through what I wrote, re: simply time as a function of ability to take in music.  For instance, when I was 22 for instance, I likely would have said the Doors, CSN&Y, Greatful Dead, or maybe Zeppelin (and still might in Zeppelins case) made one of the best albums ever,because  that was what I was into, hence had the time to really explore and listen to.  I wouldn't have mentioned The Beatles or Stones or Dylan, mostly just because I had plenty to listen to at that point.  I had the entire back catalogues of these bands, and Floyd and Cream, not to mention Bad Company and Deep Purple (for fuck sake), so I didn't need the Beatles, Stones or Dylan, I had all the music I needed.  But over time, I needed more, and devoted more time to other music.

Look, I acknowledged that your opinions were just as valid as mine, that you may well have heard all you need to of the other bands, and frankly you have now made an even better case for your reasoning.  Awesome.  I wasn't attacking your musical knowledge or taste the first time.  We don't even disagree.  Like I said, I am bummed that you even took it that way.  I was just speculating on the reason and possible causes of the differences (with conventional wisom, which I generally abhor) in opinion.  Whatever.

And for the record, my 'argument' wasn't subjective, it was speculative.

Quote from: exist10z on Dec 01, 2012, 10:34 PM

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 01, 2012, 09:29 PM

Quote from: exist10z on Dec 01, 2012, 08:46 PM


I will say this though, I continue to be disturbed (humorously) by the dismissal of The Beatles by some of the younger members of this board.  I have already had this discussion in another thread though, so I guess it's pointless to rehash it now, but I will simply say, that it's easier to be infatuated with a band (Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam) when you've only been listening to music for 15 years.  Not at all taking anything away from these bands, they may actually be the best, have made the best albums, whatever, but when you have a limited amount of time, things can hold your interest.  I love Floyd, but I listened through their entire catalogue 30 years ago, it's not that I don't think their great, they are, but once you are forced (by the repetition of time) to move onto other music, you might find something you think is even better - like The Beatles.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I know the Floyd lovers here have listened to The Beatles, probably a lot, but my point is that since you love Floyd so much and haven't yet gotten your fill, there has been no need to move onto really digging into maybe The Beatles, or The Stones, or Dylan.  Those guys all did psychedelics too ya know.

But I could be wrong.  And as far as what you think the greatest album is right now (again, by whatever standards we are using), I am obviously wrong, as many of you have made your opinions clear.  I would just say, that it's fine to dismiss Rolling Stone, or NME, or other critics, and it's certainly OK to dismiss me, but when most of those line up with an opinion that's different than yours, maybe there's a reason.  Maybe it's your perspective/appreciation that needs expansion. Maybe.  Or maybe not.

1. Psychedelics have nothing to do with it. I doubt if I'll ever trip again.
2. I know the Beatles did drugs, and I'll be the first to say I could give a shit less about their career pre-drugs. Seriously.
3. I have never and probably will never say that Pink Floyd is my favorite band ever. There are loads out there that touch me personally on a deeper level.

You are right, to a degree, about my Beatles listening history. It's only 2 or so years deep. (Sorry I don't have the "experience" you deem neccesary for one to possess to say the Beatles are the greatest band of all time.) You're wrong though, to think that I'm dismissing the Beatles in any way shape or form. I absolutely love Abbey Road and The White Album and Revolver. Sgt. Peppers is great, too. (It's odd that you stated your opinions with some sort of assumption about what bands that I've given a listen to.)  I also love the Stones. Dylan is kind of hit or miss for me. You obviously know that I love Pearl Jam, but I would never, ever say that they have surpassed the superiority of the Beatles (or Floyd) in any way. But you know what, I strongly believe that the Beatles are were they are in the history of rock and roll because they broke so many boundaries, not because they produced the most quality work of all time. I think its a "first, not best" situation. I wouldn't even say they're overrated, I just think perhaps some other bands (Floyd, Stones, Zep) are underrated, when comparing.

I'm actually continually disturbed by the worlds eagerness to say  that the Beatles are the greatest band of all time, with no comparison, and if anyone possibly disagrees they're a  fucking idiot.

Also, complain about subjectivism, and then make a completely subjective argument.

Seriously buddy, I wasn't just talking about you, and I wasn't questioning your knowledge of music, and I am honestly bummed you took it as personally as it appears.  If anything, I was trying to understand, and work it out through what I wrote, re: simply time as a function of ability to take in music.  For instance, when I was 22 for instance, I likely would have said the Doors, CSN&Y, Greatful Dead, or maybe Zeppelin (and still might in Zeppelins case) made one of the best albums ever,because  that was what I was into, hence had the time to really explore and listen to.  I wouldn't have mentioned The Beatles or Stones or Dylan, mostly just because I had plenty to listen to at that point.  I had the entire back catalogues of these bands, and Floyd and Cream, not to mention Bad Company and Deep Purple (for fuck sake), so I didn't need the Beatles, Stones or Dylan, I had all the music I needed.  But over time, I needed more, and devoted more time to other music.

Look, I acknowledged that your opinions were just as valid as mine, that you may well have heard all you need to of the other bands, and frankly you have now made an even better case for your reasoning.  Awesome.  I wasn't attacking your musical knowledge or taste the first time.  We don't even disagree.  Like I said, I am bummed that you even took it that way.  I was just speculating on the reason and possible causes of the differences (with conventional wisom, which I generally abhor) in opinion.  Whatever.

And for the record, my 'argument' wasn't subjective, it was speculative.

arguing about music is like dancing for architecture

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 01, 2012, 09:29 PM

Quote from: exist10z on Dec 01, 2012, 08:46 PM


I will say this though, I continue to be disturbed (humorously) by the dismissal of The Beatles by some of the younger members of this board.  I have already had this discussion in another thread though, so I guess it's pointless to rehash it now, but I will simply say, that it's easier to be infatuated with a band (Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam) when you've only been listening to music for 15 years.  Not at all taking anything away from these bands, they may actually be the best, have made the best albums, whatever, but when you have a limited amount of time, things can hold your interest.  I love Floyd, but I listened through their entire catalogue 30 years ago, it's not that I don't think their great, they are, but once you are forced (by the repetition of time) to move onto other music, you might find something you think is even better - like The Beatles.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  I know the Floyd lovers here have listened to The Beatles, probably a lot, but my point is that since you love Floyd so much and haven't yet gotten your fill, there has been no need to move onto really digging into maybe The Beatles, or The Stones, or Dylan.  Those guys all did psychedelics too ya know.

But I could be wrong.  And as far as what you think the greatest album is right now (again, by whatever standards we are using), I am obviously wrong, as many of you have made your opinions clear.  I would just say, that it's fine to dismiss Rolling Stone, or NME, or other critics, and it's certainly OK to dismiss me, but when most of those line up with an opinion that's different than yours, maybe there's a reason.  Maybe it's your perspective/appreciation that needs expansion. Maybe.  Or maybe not.

1. Psychedelics have nothing to do with it. I doubt if I'll ever trip again.
2. I know the Beatles did drugs, and I'll be the first to say I could give a shit less about their career pre-drugs. Seriously.
3. I have never and probably will never say that Pink Floyd is my favorite band ever. There are loads out there that touch me personally on a deeper level.

You are right, to a degree, about my Beatles listening history. It's only 2 or so years deep. (Sorry I don't have the "experience" you deem neccesary for one to possess to say the Beatles are the greatest band of all time.) You're wrong though, to think that I'm dismissing the Beatles in any way shape or form. I absolutely love Abbey Road and The White Album and Revolver. Sgt. Peppers is great, too. (It's odd that you stated your opinions with some sort of assumption about what bands that I've given a listen to.)  I also love the Stones. Dylan is kind of hit or miss for me. You obviously know that I love Pearl Jam, but I would never, ever say that they have surpassed the superiority of the Beatles (or Floyd) in any way. But you know what, I strongly believe that the Beatles are were they are in the history of rock and roll because they broke so many boundaries, not because they produced the most quality work of all time. I think its a "first, not best" situation. I wouldn't even say they're overrated, I just think perhaps some other bands (Floyd, Stones, Zep) are underrated, when comparing.

I'm actually continually disturbed by the worlds eagerness to say  that the Beatles are the greatest band of all time, with no comparison, and if anyone possibly disagrees they're a  fucking idiot.

Also, complain about subjectivism, and then make a completely subjective argument.

Great reply E-Wind, I completely agree.

I began listening to The Beatles long before I really gave Floyd a chance, which is probably the same for most people.  I am not simply dismissing The Beatles in this discussion.  They are one of the best bands of all time, but like e_wind said, being first does not make you the best.  The reason I feel like most people prefer The Beatles to Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, or even Rush is because they are accessible.  Most of their songs are simple enough to play in the background and bob your head to, whereas Floyd, Rush etc require a deeper listen.  In return, the two latter bands will produce a very thought-provoking reaction from their listeners.  I enjoy The Beatles, but their songs lack a certain deepness that other bands possess.  Sure, Sgt. Peppers and some of their other albums dabbled in psychedelia and actually contained some thought-provoking material, but for the most part I never feel like I connect with them on that level.  I think My Morning Jacket is a better band than The Beatles (go ahead and shoot me, but it is the truth).  I respect The Beatles for what they accomplished for the music industry, but at the end of the day, they are too simple for my tastes.  Besides, this whole subject is based out of opinion.  If everyone thought the same way, there would be no discussion.  I never said a bad thing about Dylan.  Dylan is the fucking boss in every sense of the word. 

Has The Beatles ever made a song as epic and powerful as Echoes, Dogs, or Shine On?
Has The Beatles ever allowed you to free up your mind to just think profoundly? (I've never once touched a cigarette, let alone drugs)
Has The Beatles ever created a guitar solo that was as powerful as Comfortably Numb's second solo?
Has The Beatles ever written lyrics that were as mature and thought-provoking as Floyds?

Quote from: LeanneP on Dec 01, 2012, 10:00 PM

They pretty much single-handedly created modern pop music. They synthesized a number of genres to create what we understand as the sound of youth. And they did it well. The music is effervescent - there is a kind of undeniable joy in Beatles songs. The band is equally comfortable writing silly songs, tender songs, love songs, rockers, etc. They were the original band that inspired a thousand bands.

Bingo. Around for only a handful of albums and years, they completely made genius look easy. Would I rather hear Sticky Fingers or Exile rather than Abbey Road? Probably, but I guess it's a different argument as to who's best, who's better, more influential, etc. Without Elvis, no Beatles, without Sam Phillips wanting white people to like black music, no Elvis and so on/so forth. You also can't compare the Stones, Floyd with a band that was only around a few years.


and as far as thought provoking lyrics---i'd compare a lot of Lennon's writing to Roger Waters...especially his post-Beatles stuff. Paul is a pop guy--apples and oranges. The White Album--a mish mesh of pain---is anything but 'simple'...when George got confident enough to write--well that was anything but simple...i'm  not that into elaborate guitar solos, though, but eric did alright on Gently Weeps? (one of the greatest guitar solos of all time)

i just don't see a point in comparing...if you're going to compare genres at that time..maybe the kinks....but not the stones. since they were originally blues based...and early floyd has some pretty poppy stoner syd barrett lyrics. had the beatles stayed together and evolved, you'd definitely have something like the Wall...are we going to compare lyrics from saucerful of secrets to the white album? i need drugs to love early floyd...

love the thread. keep going

Quote from: EverythingChanges on Dec 01, 2012, 11:41 PM
Has The Beatles ever made a song as epic and powerful as Echoes, Dogs, or Shine On?
Has The Beatles ever allowed you to free up your mind to just think profoundly? (I've never once touched a cigarette, let alone drugs)
Has The Beatles ever created a guitar solo that was as powerful as Comfortably Numb's second solo?
Has The Beatles ever written lyrics that were as mature and thought-provoking as Floyds?

And as I'm reading, I'm like, "Yes! Yes! Why yes!!" ("Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream!" if that doesn't answer question #2, I'm not sure what does!) ..........But then it occurred to me.... I guess a lot of it is mainly credited to Sir George..... though John went mighty deep, thought-provoking-wise.

Ah shitballs, just saw you replied too, Penny! Looks like you've summed up a lot of what I was sayin' too, though I haven't finished reading your reply... ah! I didn't mean to repeat, sry!

Yep, just read what ya put. Good stuff, right onnn  :cool:

Quote from: woodnymph on Dec 01, 2012, 11:55 PM

Quote from: EverythingChanges on Dec 01, 2012, 11:41 PM
Has The Beatles ever made a song as epic and powerful as Echoes, Dogs, or Shine On?
Has The Beatles ever allowed you to free up your mind to just think profoundly? (I've never once touched a cigarette, let alone drugs)
Has The Beatles ever created a guitar solo that was as powerful as Comfortably Numb's second solo?
Has The Beatles ever written lyrics that were as mature and thought-provoking as Floyds?

And as I'm reading, I'm like, "Yes! Yes! Why yes!!" ("Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream!" if that doesn't answer question #2, I'm not sure what does!) ..........But then it occurred to me.... I guess a lot of it is mainly credited to Sir George..... though John went mighty deep, thought-provoking-wise.

I agree with all this. I can't go as far as  Everything Changes did, cause I don't hate the Beatles AT ALL. White Album is one of my favorite records.

Quote from: Penny Lane on Dec 01, 2012, 11:44 PM

Quote from: LeanneP on Dec 01, 2012, 10:00 PM

They pretty much single-handedly created modern pop music. They synthesized a number of genres to create what we understand as the sound of youth. And they did it well. The music is effervescent - there is a kind of undeniable joy in Beatles songs. The band is equally comfortable writing silly songs, tender songs, love songs, rockers, etc. They were the original band that inspired a thousand bands.

Bingo. Around for only a handful of albums and years, they completely made genius look easy. Would I rather hear Sticky Fingers or Exile rather than Abbey Road? Probably, but I guess it's a different argument as to who's best, who's better, more influential, etc. Without Elvis, no Beatles, without Sam Phillips wanting white people to like black music, no Elvis and so on/so forth. You also can't compare the Stones, Floyd with a band that was only around a few years.


and as far as thought provoking lyrics---i'd compare a lot of Lennon's writing to Roger Waters...especially his post-Beatles stuff. Paul is a pop guy--apples and oranges. The White Album--a mish mesh of pain---is anything but 'simple'...when George got confident enough to write--well that was anything but simple...i'm  not that into elaborate guitar solos, though, but eric did alright on Gently Weeps? (one of the greatest guitar solos of all time)

i just don't see a point in comparing...if you're going to compare genres at that time..maybe the kinks....but not the stones. since they were originally blues based...and early floyd has some pretty poppy stoner syd barrett lyrics. had the beatles stayed together and evolved, you'd definitely have something like the Wall...are we going to compare lyrics from saucerful of secrets to the white album? i need drugs to love early floyd...

love the thread. keep going

I would never compare the first two Floyd albums to the White album.  You are comparing a Floyd that hadn't found itself yet to a Beatles who had discovered its sound and its drive.  The White album was close to the end of The Beatles career, thus they had developed their sounds better.  Heck, I haven't discussed Syd's early work yet.  Syd was a catalyst for what Floyd became, and at a certain point, he was the band's innovator.  But it was not until he left that the band took control and discovered their sound.  It first started appearing with Atom Heart Mother and More and then came Dark Side and everything changed.  There had never been an album like it, nor has there been one since. 

The way Dark Side opens with Speak To Me and I hear the money machine, the lunatic laughing and finally the woman screaming is the best foreshadowing of an album I have ever listened to.  Within that short first minute of the album before any song truly starts, I feel like so much has already happened.  I'm excited to hear what comes next.  I hear Gilmour sing the first word of the album..."Breathe" followed by "Breathe in the air"...  The word choice for that first line of the album says so much--it speaks to me.  It tells me to relax and it tells me to prepare for whats to come.  I do as I am told and close my eyes.  What comes next is a music experience that I have never truly felt with any other album.  Each song takes me to a new chapter in this deeply thematic and conceptual story.  Time teaches me about life and death and everything in-between.  When I hear The Great Gig In The Sky, I feel horror mixed with melancholic tranquility.  I can sense the pain in the woman's voice, but it is interwoven with beauty and passion.  Money describes the evilness of greed.  When Us and Them commences, my hairs stand on end and I feel chills run down my spine.  It forces me to confront my melancholy and try to unravel it and understand it.  It teaches me that melancholy is not bad, but rather, part of life.  Brain Damage forces me into the mind of a lunatic.  I feel the lunacy of the insane man...I hear his mad cackling.  Finally comes Eclipse, the climax of this self-journey.  The lyrics are so simplistic, yet, so powerful.  To me, these lyrics sum up everything this album establishes throughout its earlier chapters, but more importantly, these lyrics sum up life.


The music ends and all I hear is a faint heart beat.  I open my eyes and realize I have never felt this way before about music or even life. 

Pink Floyd opened my mind to music and I have never been the same since.

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 02, 2012, 12:18 AM

Quote from: woodnymph on Dec 01, 2012, 11:55 PM

Quote from: EverythingChanges on Dec 01, 2012, 11:41 PM
Has The Beatles ever made a song as epic and powerful as Echoes, Dogs, or Shine On?
Has The Beatles ever allowed you to free up your mind to just think profoundly? (I've never once touched a cigarette, let alone drugs)
Has The Beatles ever created a guitar solo that was as powerful as Comfortably Numb's second solo?
Has The Beatles ever written lyrics that were as mature and thought-provoking as Floyds?

And as I'm reading, I'm like, "Yes! Yes! Why yes!!" ("Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream!" if that doesn't answer question #2, I'm not sure what does!) ..........But then it occurred to me.... I guess a lot of it is mainly credited to Sir George..... though John went mighty deep, thought-provoking-wise.

I agree with all this. I can't go as far as  Everything Changes did, cause I don't hate the Beatles AT ALL. White Album is one of my favorite records.

I don't hate The Beatles. Far from it actually.  But I truly can't answer yes to those questions.  The lyrical part is debatable.  The Beatles had thought-provoking lyrics throughout their catalogue, but I feel like Pink Floyd had it with everyone of their songs from Echoes and on.  The Beatles have too many simple silly head bobby songs for my tastes.  I like progressive and conceptual music.  I want my music to be serious and entrancing. The Beatles approached this occasionally, but it rarely lasted imo.

Fine, fine, I am convinced, Pink Floyd is the greatest rock band ever and DSoTM is the greatest album ever, I just realized it in this thread.

Not really, well maybe, sort of, nah...

'So you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.'

Maybe my favorite lyrics of all time.  Really does completely capture the simple and harrowing essence of existence. 

Quote from: EverythingChanges on Dec 02, 2012, 12:30 AM

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 02, 2012, 12:18 AM

Quote from: woodnymph on Dec 01, 2012, 11:55 PM

Quote from: EverythingChanges on Dec 01, 2012, 11:41 PM
Has The Beatles ever made a song as epic and powerful as Echoes, Dogs, or Shine On?
Has The Beatles ever allowed you to free up your mind to just think profoundly? (I've never once touched a cigarette, let alone drugs)
Has The Beatles ever created a guitar solo that was as powerful as Comfortably Numb's second solo?
Has The Beatles ever written lyrics that were as mature and thought-provoking as Floyds?

And as I'm reading, I'm like, "Yes! Yes! Why yes!!" ("Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream!" if that doesn't answer question #2, I'm not sure what does!) ..........But then it occurred to me.... I guess a lot of it is mainly credited to Sir George..... though John went mighty deep, thought-provoking-wise.

I agree with all this. I can't go as far as  Everything Changes did, cause I don't hate the Beatles AT ALL. White Album is one of my favorite records.

I don't hate The Beatles. Far from it actually.  But I truly can't answer yes to those questions.  The lyrical part is debatable.  The Beatles had thought-provoking lyrics throughout their catalogue, but I feel like Pink Floyd had it with everyone of their songs from Echoes and on.  The Beatles have too many simple silly head bobby songs for my tastes.  I like progressive and conceptual music.  I want my music to be serious and entrancing. The Beatles approached this occasionally, but it rarely lasted imo.

You sound like a perfect candidate to just go check out some more George Harrison. And you'd want to dig deeper, he even still has some headbobbers. But he made an entire album dedicated to chanting Hindi prayers and blessings, and wrote many songs about death and the Spirit, in general. Of course, "deep" is going to be as relative as it comes, and you may not find these same things deep. It's hard to say. (Let's dispute it!) (only kidding) All I know is that I've been on a ride just like yours (only probably a little different/enhanced), with the Floyd, and I love them as much, for the same reasons it sounds like you do. I don't like "giving advice," but I would advise one to be easy on discounting music, especially on this board. These cats will point out all kinds of crazy good songs, etc, to a skeptical mind. The board flourishes in tiny abundant intricacies of music. I'm even trying real hard to like Rush cause of the great folks here who do, and that says something.   :smiley:

Once again, I am not turning down the Beatles.  They are great musicians.  I am saying that I feel like Pink Floyd is the better band.  This discussion warrants--no, this discussions demands us to disagree.  There can't be more than one "Sgt. Peppers" to one individual.  I am explaining why I feel like Dark Side should hold that title.

I will happily listen to some George Harrison if anyone has any suggestions.  What I have heard from him so far I really enjoy. 

Quote from: EverythingChanges on Dec 02, 2012, 12:47 AM
Once again, I am not turning down the Beatles.  They are great musicians.  I am saying that I feel like Pink Floyd is the better band.  This discussion warrants--no, this discussions demands us to disagree.  There can't be more than one "Sgt. Peppers" to one individual.  I am explaining why I feel like Dark Side should hold that title.

Right on

The Beatles were my favorite band back in the '80's. My older sister bought a compilation of their music and I fell in love with it. That led me to getting all of their albums and listening to them over and over again. Eventually I grew out of them and began listening to other music, but I've retained a fondness for them because how could I not. I don't listen to their music anymore unless it spontaneously appears before me. I agree with Penny and Leanne. They have been much more influential than Floyd - not that I'm discounting Floyd's genius. If we really wanted to go back to who started it all, we'd have to go back to Robert Johnson and the Alan Lomaxes who went out and recorded these early artists like Johnson and the Carter family and many other folk acts.

I've been thinking about this topic since Ewind posted it. While Sgt. Pepper's was amazing, it wouldn't have been possible without Revolver. Revolver was the album where it became apparent that The Beatles were expanding their minds and the culture was changing. It was their first step in experimentation. Certainly the link it provided from their early work to their layer work is vital so that listeners could understand something like Sgt. Peppers. Their audience would have been so confused if they had plopped SP down on them without preparing them for it.not that I think that was their intention. They were finding their way through uncharted territory themselves. Revolver helped me as a child of the eighties understand the counterculture of the sixties at a time when historians where just beginning to really understand what it's significance as well. It takes about twenty years before there is enough distance from an event or period that people can begin to be objective about it. It's now been around fifty years since Beatlemania. Can you imagine Justin Beiber making the leap from what he's putting out now to Eleanor Rigby, Taxman, or Norweigan Woods -much less anything on Sgt. Pepper's.? That helps me put into perspective how truly talented The Beatles were. They went from being teen idols, albeit reluctant ones, to putting out the music they made in their later years. So Revolver is the album that is the most influential for me. The link it provides between what came before it and what came after is vital. The Beatles really have to be the most influential because they had and continued to have years later the mass audience that Floyd and Zep never can have. The Stones are the only band that can come close to what The Beatles achieved, but they were always running behind The Beatles. While I prefer listening to these three bands over The Beatles, I can't deny that without them those other bands would have had a harder time being accepted by their audiences.

This has been an interesting discussion, and one that felt hard to jump into because to me "what is your Sgt. Pepper" could mean so many different things. 

One thing it means to me are the albums that first taught me to understand and appreciate the album as an art form in and of itself, not just a collection of songs.  The big ones for me with that were:

Beatles - Sgt. Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road
The Who - Quadrophenia, Tommy
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here, DSOTM, The Wall, Animals
Rolling Stones - Exile on Main St.
Neil Young - Tonight's the Night

These are the records that first opened me up to the experience of an album, and shaped my listening to this day, as I rarely listen to mixes in favor of wanting to hear whole albums. 

I love the access to music that the digital age has brought us, but I think one sad thing about it is that the album as an art form is being lost to some degree.  Many kids I know, for example, don't even really know what an album is, it's all just songs.

Dark Side gives me a bad trip. It's too angry and depressed sounding. Roger Waters is an a$$hole of such epic proportions I'm totally and completely unable to listen to the last albums.

Lying in the dark with my man one night, long before the babies were conjured, we got high and threw on Dark Side. When the screaming starts in the intro to speak to me, I got freaked out and begged the alienlanes to take the record off. I got really hysterical and it was a strange reaction since I'd grown up on Pink Floyd (my Dad LOVED Floyd, Beatles, Dylan, Cream, Stones, etc - I was a lucky little child) and knew that album intimately.

My antidote? Pet Sounds :)  It made me happy. And is the Beach Boys' Sgt Pepper, incidentally. Additionally, to add onto Fully's connections between the artists: Sgt Pepper is what it is in part due to Pet Sounds but Pet Sounds was heavily inspired by Revolver. Don't you just love that? 

That whole era of music '65 to the early 70s is such a ridiculously, deliriously, dizzying explosion of creativity!   

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VzUSulyxBZI/Sq6v8fP0qlI/AAAAAAAABAk/v1H23bAbXZE/s400/Stooges+Fun+House.jpg)

Some might go Raw Power here, but its predecessor is my choice.  Crazy that this was recorded 42 years ago. 

Quadrophenia

by the way, Paul McCartney has stated in the past that Pet Sounds is his favorite album. 

I have animosity towards the direction this thread took, because this forum is based on musical discussion. I do, though, want to point out that I didn't intend on this being anti-Beatles in any way. It was more of a personal question based on personal preferences.

Sgt Pepper is one of the worst beatles albums...it's not popular or influential because it's good.

Love the G Harrison direction--he was definitely the most spiritual of the Beatles.

i would compare the White Album to Exile on Main street in that it was made in chaos (none of the band really speaking or working together)..in the stones, Keith was too far into smack and Mick wasn't really around---white album they were pretty much broken up and into their own things--had to be forced to be in the studio---

both could be called their magnum opus albums...

Quote from: MrWhippy on Dec 02, 2012, 10:33 AM
This has been an interesting discussion, and one that felt hard to jump into because to me "what is your Sgt. Pepper" could mean so many different things. 

One thing it means to me are the albums that first taught me to understand and appreciate the album as an art form in and of itself, not just a collection of songs.  The big ones for me with that were:

Beatles - Sgt. Pepper, White Album, Abbey Road
The Who - Quadrophenia, Tommy
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here, DSOTM, The Wall, Animals
Rolling Stones - Exile on Main St.
Neil Young - Tonight's the Night

These are the records that first opened me up to the experience of an album, and shaped my listening to this day, as I rarely listen to mixes in favor of wanting to hear whole albums. 

I love the access to music that the digital age has brought us, but I think one sad thing about it is that the album as an art form is being lost to some degree.  Many kids I know, for example, don't even really know what an album is, it's all just songs.

Whippy, I like the way you've interpreted the question. I hadn't actually thought of it that way. I was looking at it as what album do I think is the most influential. But the idea of what album made you appreciate the album format is an interesting question too. There were several concept albums that made me appreciate the album format. And to be honest, I probably didn't actually realize that the entire album was essential conciously. It was just the way everyone I knew listened to music back then.

Zeppelin II and IV, The White Album, Tommy, Dark Side of the Moon, Exile on Main Street, and, although I didn't listen to it until much later in life, Pet Sounds all were very influential to me as well but I didn't listen to them until I was older. However,  I went through a Styx phase in middle school. I loved The Grand Illusion, Pieces of Eight, Cornerstone and to a much lesser extent Paradise Theater. Kilroy was here was a joke. As they got more into concept albums, they got much worse. I think the lead singer really wanted to be a theater major. Those first three albums were great even though they haven't held up very well over time. However, they more than any of the greats taught me to appreciate the album format. They were the first albums that I really found joy in. I can remember sitting in my room listening for hours on end to them even though now it would be torture to listen to them. That's one reason why I try to tolerate my kids' horrible taste in music because I know that they haven't developed enough judgment yet to separate the good stuff from the crap.

Quote from: Penny Lane on Dec 03, 2012, 04:34 PM
Sgt Pepper is one of the worst beatles albums...it's not popular or influential because it's good.

That may be the truest thing I've read in a long time.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: Fully on Dec 02, 2012, 06:56 AM
I've been thinking about this topic since Ewind posted it. While Sgt. Pepper's was amazing, it wouldn't have been possible without Revolver. Revolver was the album where it became apparent that The Beatles were expanding their minds and the culture was changing. It was their first step in experimentation. Certainly the link it provided from their early work to their layer work is vital so that listeners could understand something like Sgt. Peppers. Their audience would have been so confused if they had plopped SP down on them without preparing them for it.not that I think that was their intention. They were finding their way through uncharted territory themselves. Revolver helped me as a child of the eighties understand the counterculture of the sixties at a time when historians where just beginning to really understand what it's significance as well. It takes about twenty years before there is enough distance from an event or period that people can begin to be objective about it. It's now been around fifty years since Beatlemania. Can you imagine Justin Beiber making the leap from what he's putting out now to Eleanor Rigby, Taxman, or Norweigan Woods -much less anything on Sgt. Pepper's.? That helps me put into perspective how truly talented The Beatles were. They went from being teen idols, albeit reluctant ones, to putting out the music they made in their later years. So Revolver is the album that is the most influential for me. The link it provides between what came before it and what came after is vital. The Beatles really have to be the most influential because they had and continued to have years later the mass audience that Floyd and Zep never can have. The Stones are the only band that can come close to what The Beatles achieved, but they were always running behind The Beatles. While I prefer listening to these three bands over The Beatles, I can't deny that without them those other bands would have had a harder time being accepted by their audiences.

well said, Fully! agree totally about Revolver..context is everything..

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 03, 2012, 04:03 PM
I have animosity towards the direction this thread took, because this forum is based on musical discussion. I do, though, want to point out that I didn't intend on this being anti-Beatles in any way. It was more of a personal question based on personal preferences.

Well said, sir... I had to leave off at the argument stance; I figured it was more about expressing WHAT our Sgt. Peppers are, vs. so much detail as to why..   It's a lovely thread, it was a good idea-- hope you don't think otherwise.  :bath:

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 03, 2012, 04:03 PM
I have animosity towards the direction this thread took, because this forum is based on musical discussion. I do, though, want to point out that I didn't intend on this being anti-Beatles in any way. It was more of a personal question based on personal preferences.

I'm not sure anyone really took this thread as anti Beatles.  Personally, I was defending why I believe DSotM is a better album, and I was only doing this because someone negatively questioned it and assumed I was disrespecting The Beatles, which was not the case.  The Beatles are great, I just personally do not and will not like them as much as Floyd.  I have listened to them since I can remember listening to music and I understand what they accomplished.  I even took a rock history class in college that covered some of the feats that The Beatles accomplished.  In no way am I trying to dismiss them.   

I have NO** animosity. Key word left out.

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 03, 2012, 08:23 PM
I have NO** animosity. Key word left out.

Oh. Well then I revoke my sentiment. FIGHT TO THE DEATH!!!!  :angry:

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 03, 2012, 08:23 PM
I have NO** animosity. Key word left out.

Haha, thanks for the good laugh.

I think I wish I had a Sgt. Peppers, I just don't.  I truly wish one of my favorite bands would make an album of that calibur but they just havent'.  I wish Wilco, Pearl Jam, MMJ, Nirvana had made a Sgt. Pepper but they just havent' or didn't.  I can appreciate Sgt. Peppers as a masterpeice it's just not mine....it wasn't of my time.  Nevermind was close but overproduced, Ten feels the same way for me....At Dawn and It Still Moves were signs of a potential Sgt. Peppers but it hasn't panned out and seems less and less likely.  I don't really think a band since The Who, The Beattles, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, Bob Dylan, Neil Young has come closer than to sniff at that kind of genius.  My generation has some GREAT bands but the ambition of crafting an album the quality of those from the seventies is just lost or something.   

I don't know, Radiohead: OK Computer, Wilco: Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, Flaming Lips: The Soft Bulletin and Super Furry Animals: Rings Around The World are all, to me, game changing albums for those bands.

Quote from: LeanneP on Dec 03, 2012, 10:32 PM
I don't know, Radiohead: OK Computer, Wilco: Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, Flaming Lips: The Soft Bulletin and Super Furry Animals: Rings Around The World are all, to me, game changing albums for those bands.

Radio head OK and Wilco YHF were certainly game changers for those bands, and some of the best music I know of. I don't think the Flips have a masterpiece of any sorts, and I'm a big FLips fan.

Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 03, 2012, 10:22 PM
I think I wish I had a Sgt. Peppers, I just don't.  I truly wish one of my favorite bands would make an album of that calibur but they just havent'.  I wish Wilco, Pearl Jam, MMJ, Nirvana had made a Sgt. Pepper but they just havent' or didn't.  I can appreciate Sgt. Peppers as a masterpeice it's just not mine....it wasn't of my time.  Nevermind was close but overproduced, Ten feels the same way for me....At Dawn and It Still Moves were signs of a potential Sgt. Peppers but it hasn't panned out and seems less and less likely.  I don't really think a band since The Who, The Beattles, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, Bob Dylan, Neil Young has come closer than to sniff at that kind of genius.  My generation has some GREAT bands but the ambition of crafting an album the quality of those from the seventies is just lost or something.

I agree with you on this one.  I really wish MMJ had one, and the closest they got (for me) was Z.  If there was an album between ISM and Z, it would have been THE ALBUM imo.  I am hoping that since they have had such a successful tour with the spontaneous curation series that they have sparked a new desire to create music on the same level of At Dawn, ISM and Z.  I feel like their curation series really opened their minds to experiment with their older music and get comfortable with it again.  Perhaps it will translate over into the next album.  One can only hope.   :wink:

Quote from: LeanneP on Dec 03, 2012, 10:32 PM
I don't know, Radiohead: OK Computer, Wilco: Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, Flaming Lips: The Soft Bulletin and Super Furry Animals: Rings Around The World are all, to me, game changing albums for those bands.

Funny, the Radiohead and Wilco albums were the first things I thought of reading that post.  Then I saw you beat me to it...

Quote from: e_wind on Dec 03, 2012, 08:23 PM
I have NO** animosity. Key word left out.

So glad you added this, the post that referenced, as it was originally, bummed me out. :cry:

:thumbsup:

Quote from: exist10z on Dec 03, 2012, 11:01 PM

Quote from: LeanneP on Dec 03, 2012, 10:32 PM
I don't know, Radiohead: OK Computer, Wilco: Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, Flaming Lips: The Soft Bulletin and Super Furry Animals: Rings Around The World are all, to me, game changing albums for those bands.

Funny, the Radiohead and Wilco albums were the first things I thought of reading that post.  Then I saw you beat me to it...

I agree, YHF and OK Computer definatly crossed my mind during that post.  It might just be a case of me being to close to them....I just have no context of how to imagine how people of that generation thought of Sgt. Peppers at that time.

OK, I'll go ahead and say it, OK Computer and YHF are my SGT. Peppers. 

OK Computer is definitely our generation's Sgt. Peppers.

Quote from: ManNamedTruth on Dec 03, 2012, 11:40 PM
OK Computer is definitely our generation's Sgt. Peppers.

yeah, I remember skipping class at my coummuniy college to sit in the parking lot of my community college inside my hail damaged 89' honda accord to listen to "LET DOWN" over and over again. Plus..I LOVE Turtles!!

I bought $300 dollar headphones for the sole pupose of listening to YHF.  Also my Sgt. Peppers.

Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 03, 2012, 11:48 PM

Quote from: ManNamedTruth on Dec 03, 2012, 11:40 PM
OK Computer is definitely our generation's Sgt. Peppers.

yeah, I remember skipping class at my coummuniy college to sit in the parking lot of my community college inside my hail damaged 89' honda accord to listen to "LET DOWN" over and over again. Plus..I LOVE Turtles!!

Ha, just changed my profile before I saw this. I'm gonna be the I like Turtles kid for halloween next year.

who is that? 

her teeth are amazing.

Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 03, 2012, 11:50 PM
I bought $300 dollar headphones for the sole pupose of listening to YHF.  Also my Sgt. Peppers.

it's one of my Sgt Peppers---it turned me away from brit pop into a new world

Quote from: sweatboard on Dec 04, 2012, 12:37 AM
who is that?

check the twin peaks thread.

my Sgt. Pepper:

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Quote from: RDist52 on Dec 05, 2012, 05:19 PM
my Sgt. Pepper:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YKBB7AK1L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

i love that album..takes me back to 1997...living in Liverpool! (for only a few months but still..)

R.E.M.-Murmur  :thumbsup:

I guess I have to go with Nevermind by Nirvana.  Getting into that record at 11/12 years old and reading interviews with  Kurt where he talked so highly of The Beatles and Pixies opened my eyes to so much music (even more with Unplugged with covers of Leadbelly, Bowie).  My parents mostly listened to stuff like Garth Brooks, Heart, Madonna and I was only child so I never had that older influence to turn me onto the Beatles or Pixies.  I listened to it recently on a road trip and man, does that album still kill.   

Funny i just started a thread of favorite all-time albums, please comment there too.

Here is my list again


  1. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
  2. Radiohead - OK Computer
  3. Blur - Parklife
  4. Pulp - Common People
  5. Modest Mouse - The Moon and Antarctica
  6. Broken Social Scene - You Forget In People
  7. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
  8. Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street
  9. Arcade Fire - Funeral
  10. Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen we are Floating in Space
  11. The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
  12. Built To Spill - Keep it Like Secret
  13. Nirvana - Nevermind
  14. Flaming Lips - Yoshi Battles the Pink Robots
  15. The Wrens - The Meadowlands
  16. Interpol - Turn on The Bright Lights
  17. The New Pornographers - Twin Cinema
  18. Songs: Ohia - Magnolia Electric Company
  19. The Verve - Urban Hymns
  20. The National - Alligator

Quote from: Ob1jacobe on Feb 13, 2014, 12:30 PM
Funny i just started a thread of favorite all-time albums, please comment there too.

Here is my list again


  1. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
  2. Radiohead - OK Computer (change this to The Bends)
  7. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
  8. Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street
  10. Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen we are Floating in Space
  16. Interpol - Turn on The Bright Lights
  18. Songs: Ohia - Magnolia Electric Company
  19. The Verve - Urban Hymns (favorite album of all time)
  20. The National - Alligator

these would be on my list as well..

Quote from: LeanneP on Dec 02, 2012, 10:38 AM
Dark Side gives me a bad trip. It's too angry and depressed sounding. Roger Waters is an a$$hole of such epic proportions I'm totally and completely unable to listen to the last albums.

Lying in the dark with my man one night, long before the babies were conjured, we got high and threw on Dark Side. When the screaming starts in the intro to speak to me, I got freaked out and begged the alienlanes to take the record off. I got really hysterical and it was a strange reaction since I'd grown up on Pink Floyd (my Dad LOVED Floyd, Beatles, Dylan, Cream, Stones, etc - I was a lucky little child) and knew that album intimately.

My antidote? Pet Sounds :)  It made me happy. And is the Beach Boys' Sgt Pepper, incidentally. Additionally, to add onto Fully's connections between the artists: Sgt Pepper is what it is in part due to Pet Sounds but Pet Sounds was heavily inspired by Revolver. Don't you just love that? 

That whole era of music '65 to the early 70s is such a ridiculously, deliriously, dizzying explosion of creativity!

pet sounds is the beach boys' rubber soul, not revolver.  brian wilson made it in response to hearing the american version of rubber soul for the first time and wanted to make an album better than what he thought was a perfect album.

that being said, there are so many ways people have stated what their sgt pepper's is in this thread that i am going to encompass the four that i feel resonate the most into one post.

favorite album: exile on main street
most influential album: the white album
favorite album of my generation: yankee hotel foxtrot
most influential album of my generation: yankee hotel foxtrot

i could also throw in in no particular order, physical graffiti, london calling, abbey road, revolver, blood on the tracks, blonde on blonde, another side of bob dylan, dsotm, nevermind, ok computer, paul's boutique, check your head, midnight marauders, paid in full, mezzanine, no depression, im wide awake its morning, ism, z, and countless others that arent popping into my head right now.

Quote from: Penny Lane on Feb 14, 2014, 02:01 PM

Quote from: Ob1jacobe on Feb 13, 2014, 12:30 PM
Funny i just started a thread of favorite all-time albums, please comment there too.

Here is my list again


  1. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
  2. Radiohead - OK Computer (change this to The Bends)
  7. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
  8. Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street
  10. Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen we are Floating in Space
  16. Interpol - Turn on The Bright Lights
  18. Songs: Ohia - Magnolia Electric Company
  19. The Verve - Urban Hymns (favorite album of all time)
  20. The National - Alligator

these would be on my list as well..

I saw this and realized I don't have Urban Hymns.  Seemed $7 for the CD from Amazon was a worthy risk to take.  I trust Penny's taste in music, at least that much!  Should arrive tomorrow...

Quote from: Penny Lane on Feb 14, 2014, 02:01 PM

Quote from: Ob1jacobe on Feb 13, 2014, 12:30 PM
Funny i just started a thread of favorite all-time albums, please comment there too.

Here is my list again


  1. Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot
  2. Radiohead - OK Computer (change this to The Bends)
  7. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
  8. Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street
  10. Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen we are Floating in Space
  16. Interpol - Turn on The Bright Lights
  18. Songs: Ohia - Magnolia Electric Company
  19. The Verve - Urban Hymns (favorite album of all time)
  20. The National - Alligator

these would be on my list as well..

You have great taste :)  I owe my love for the Urban Hymns to this board, possibly even you.  It has come up several times so I gave another try.  THANKS !

If you are gonna go with The Verve, I'd say A Northern Soul is essential, too.  Oh how I love that album and the spacey interludes contrasted with the aggressively trippy stuff, a real nice blend.  Blucas is trying to get me up to speed on other stuff they put out., namely their first album A Storm In Heaven.

So it was a couple years back when i started on the verve.  I rate their albums:

Urban Hymns  - 10
A Northern Soul - 10 - I could flip this and Urban Hymns as my favorite
A Storm In Heaven -  9 - more shoegaze and psychedelia but still fantastic
The Verve EP - 9 - Gravity Grave is one of my favorite songs
Forth - no rating but did not do much for me