I got something I've never seen before. I bought a double album that is recorded at 45rpm. I didn't realize it until I put it on this morning when I got to school. I'm willing to be that someone on this board can explain the benefit of making an album that plays at that speed. Does anyone have any information on why this would be done?
I should add that while it is a double album, it only has five songs on it. There is about 44 minutes of music on it.
Beth,
Any album cut at 45 rpm should sound much better than a 33 rpm lp. Reason is basically that more information can be "read" from the grooves on an album when it is a) read at a slower speed and b) not as compacted on the album so that the music is not squeezed in as tightly.
Think of it like a book. Much easier to read larger print (especially when you start getting old like me) than reading one of those books where the print is tiny.
The better your turntable, stereo and cartridge (needle) - the more you would be able to notice the difference.
Hope that helps.
Quote from: headhunter on Dec 17, 2012, 09:36 AM
Beth,
Any album cut at 45 rpm should sound much better than a 33 rpm lp. Reason is basically that more information can be "read" from the grooves on an album when it is a) read at a slower speed and b) not as compacted on the album so that the music is not squeezed in as tightly.
Think of it like a book. Much easier to read larger print (especially when you start getting old like me) than reading one of those books where the print is tiny.
The better your turntable, stereo and cartridge (needle) - the more you would be able to notice the difference.
Hope that helps.
Thanks Jeff! I was willing to bet that you would be the one who could answer this question. Now to get a better turntable, stereo, and needle. This thing I have at school is over fifty years old and held together with the last remnants of my dignity. I love that it works though. I just wish I was electronically gifted enough to fix a few of it's issues. I really need to invest in a better system.
Hello,
I have a Project Carbon and I love it. Highly recommend, and it comes in seven or so nice colors, although black and silver are two, but they are boring.
Going out on a limb. Did you buy Chris Robinson Brotherhood's The Magic Door? That is cut @ 45. One is white, one is black. Very stellar. Actually, you said five songs, and it has seven, so maybe not.
Careful, though. Old stylus' could ruin a record. I say hold off playing until you upgrade.
Circuital is cut at 45rpm. Took me by surprise when it arrived and I put it on at 33rpm. I had not seen a 12in 45rpm in a long time - it sounds fantastic!
Just wanted to throw it out there that with a new belt (if belt-driven) your ancient turntable may be far better than modern ones. My late 70s Pioneer turntable was amazing until a part broke and proved more expensive than a new DJ quality deck.
:smiley:
Quote from: LeanneP on Dec 18, 2012, 01:53 PM
Just wanted to throw it out there that with a new belt (if belt-driven) your ancient turntable may be far better than modern ones. My late 70s Pioneer turntable was amazing until a part broke and proved more expensive than a new DJ quality deck.
:smiley:
The belt works well. What I need to fix is the volume knob.
I know Jeff loves hearing all this vinyl talk like I do...I got made fun of in 2005 when all my CDs got stolen out of my car and I started buying nothing but vinyl...well over 2000 records later (that's a lot but our buddy headhunter is sitting on 6 digits over there) I'm glad to see people finally catching up...it really is amazing the difference you can hear when you get a really good turntable, needle, and sound system. And it's really cool to see a lot of old cabinet record players the restorations they all deserve by people remembering they or someone in their family has one that's been forgotten...
Quote from: scosby2 on Dec 18, 2012, 02:56 PM
I know Jeff loves hearing all this vinyl talk like I do...I got made fun of in 2005 when all my CDs got stolen out of my car and I started buying nothing but vinyl...well over 2000 records later (that's a lot but our buddy headhunter is sitting on 6 digits over there) I'm glad to see people finally catching up...it really is amazing the difference you can hear when you get a really good turntable, needle, and sound system. And it's really cool to see a lot of old cabinet record players the restorations they all deserve by people remembering they or someone in their family has one that's been forgotten...
I think it's more like 6,000 not 6 digits but yes, I do have a lot of records. My experience is that whether you have a $60 tt, $600 tt or more, when you make the switch to vinyl it is hard to go back. Much more enjoyable and engaging and you really get to hear and listen to the music, not just background noise. So much good used stuff out there (both hardware and software (ie, records!) that is hard to find elsewhere. Not hard to find great $1 records at thrift stores, yard sales and record shows.
I also know many peeps who get there parents record collections filled with great stuff from Pink Floyd, the Dead, the Beatles and other classic bands. Yes, the hobby can get expensive (and addictive) but once you jump in, it is easy to get hooked.
Good god, scos, +2000 in 7 years? I've been buying records for 30 years and still only have 600. Do you go buy boxes of them at garage sales or something?
Here's another question for those with sizable collections: where do you store them? I have had a hell of a time finding good bookcases, because I refuse to buy veneered particle board. In fact, I am going to the lumberyard today and am going to build some heavy-duty shelving myownself!
Quote from: Crispy on Dec 18, 2012, 03:51 PM
Good god, scos, +2000 in 7 years? I've been buying records for 30 years and still only have 600. Do you go buy boxes of them at garage sales or something?
Here's another question for those with sizable collections: where do you store them? I have had a hell of a time finding good bookcases, because I refuse to buy veneered particle board. In fact, I am going to the lumberyard today and am going to build some heavy-duty shelving myownself!
I have probably close to 2000 plus and been collecting for 20 years. Every couple of years I purge records I don't listen to anymore. But the storage issue got pretty bad this year so I had a professional carpenter build a set of built in record shelves for me. One of the best decisions I have ever made. It looks great and it allows me to store more than I could previously. My shelves are about 13 inches high and I think 12 inches deep. By about 6 feet wide. Every 2 feet there is divider. This divider servers as a support and allows for the records to space properly. You want to avoid cramming to many records on one shelf. And most importantly you never want to stack records.
Looks like Fully's 'Vinyl question' - specific, has branched out, so I want to jump in. I was actually thinking of creating a thread with the same title myself, but just about general vinyl questions. I am intrigued.
I am old enough to have grown up listening to vinyl, but abandoned it when CDs came along. I really feel like I need to jump back in, that I am missing an integral part of my music 'hearing' experience. I hardly remember the 'sound' of vinyl, it's been so long, but I have read enough to believe I am missing something. At this point I don't even really listen to CDs, it's all digital, and I am really not even picky about the digital quality. But there is something in me that thinks hearing something great on vinyl, on a decent system, will be worth the trouble.
So a few questions, what would I need? How much is it gonna cost? What are the most important components/factors - turntable, needle, receiver/amp, speakers, everything? Can you get this stuff used, or is it better for some elements to go new (speakers)? I really don't have a place for it right now, being sort of bi-coastal and not having a lot of my own space, but in a few years I should be set up with a decent place to listen, so I might as well get started thinking about it now. Maybe even picking up some elements (records, or even hardware deals), that I'll want and need later.
Price is an issue. I realize you could spend multi-thousands on a system, but some guidance on what someone who's been listening to low-bit mp3s for years would appreciate, which probably wouldn't require much. Plus, as was mentioned earlier, I have access to a pretty amazing record collection my dad is no longer 'using', so I have a head start on actual albums.
Thanks.
With today's amplifiers you'll need a preamp to deliver a sufficient signal to your amp. In the old days, preamps were built into the amps. Here's one that I've been very happy with at a reasonable price: http://www.phonopreamps.com/TC-760LCpp.html (http://www.phonopreamps.com/TC-760LCpp.html)
For speakers you might want to check out NewEgg for the older style Polk audio speakers. Every once in a while they reduce them to outrageously low prices. They were so low when I bought them that I thought I was ordering 2 double-woofer bookshelfs and it was actually 2 PAIRS! (used them for my back-channels so worked out fine). I'm very happy with these. Also got a sub-woofer and middle front speaker as part of the whole TV-Amp-Speaker upgrade. Still have my old 70s direct-drive Denon turntable.
Addiction is a good word for it! The reason my collection has jumped so much is like it was mentioned before, you go to a thrift store/flea market, and some are priced as low as .25! Good shape, too. I routinely go out and pick up 13 or so at a time. I'm not buying as much new vinyl as used. To answer another question regarding storage, Ikea makes an "Expedit." If you have one of their stores close, I have done research that those do well.
Yeah, I guess this got threadjacked a bit, so let's change the title!
I'm interested in investigating GO4IT's advice on preamps. My Sony power amp (I forget the model) has a decent phono stage, but I'd like to get some tube preampage going in and bump it up some.
The major thing about building a system is that every part is important, although I think you can spend not too much to have a nice-sounding setup, but you will forever be upgrading. Some people spend as much on cables as they do on speakers! I would like to try heavy-duty extension cord and see if anybody could tell the difference.
A used turntable is great if you find a nice one in good condition or you're willing to spend $$ to make it right, but an inexpensive new one would be fine. I'd go new on everything else. I've only had two turntables in my life, a cheap Technics from the 80s, and now my rig is a Marantz 6300 that I got on ebay about 12 years ago. It still works great, but could used some tuning up, and I've been through maybe 8 cartridges, which is a continuous expense. A new stylus makes a lot of difference!
I've seen IKEA's Expedits, which look good, but I don't have a store close and then there is my aversion to particle board. I started my shelf building project, got the lumber (2x12s!) and painted them last night.
I love the direction this thread has turned. I'm getting some good information here for when I do decide to upgrade to a real system - probably when my kids get out of college or I quit traveling to shows for awhile :rolleyes: Good luck on those shelves, Crispy!
I think it's hard to say where is the "best" place to start or the "best" place to spend the most money, because every component truly does make a difference. And then there's the law of diminishing returns...you can spend A LOOOOOTTTT if you really want to. Like 6 figures...$100k...the stuff is out there.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with my setup right now but of course I'm always looking to upgrade.
Here's what I have:
- Rega RP1 turntable - I like it. I got it gifted to me (new), but if I had to do it again I might buy used here. I think you get more for your money that way, assuming everything is in good shape. $450, purchased December 2011.
- Bellari VP130 preamp - usually priced around $250 but if you look for a bit you can get them for more like $175. Cheapest tube amp I've seen, although I think I read it's not a "true" tube amp...kind of a combo, that uses the tube to somewhat color the sound, but not as much as a pricey tube amp. Only complaint is no on/off switch so you unplug it or leave it on all the time. Sound is plenty good. Purchased December 2011.
- Klipsch SF-3 speakers - discontinued model. Were around $900/pair at Best Buy in 2003, but I knew someone who worked there, got them for $350. Sound plenty good to me, but my woofers are not working on one of the towers. Purchased in 2003.
- Panasonic SA-XR25 receiver - purchased in 2003, approx $350 back then.
So, you can see I've got about $1300 in my system. I would consider my components to be all "mid-grade" type stuff, but it sounds very good to me. You could probably get all of this stuff used for nearly half the price.
You could go on and on with upgrades, but I would try not to obsess over it unless it's something you really want to put a lot of time and money into. My recommendation is to spend as much as you can initially, and then just enjoy it for awhile. Inevitably you'll get the bug to upgrade (possibly almost immediately), but I'd resist for as long as possible and just enjoy the music and spend your money on records.
With that said, I'm currently looking at new amps and cartridges :grin:
I would give these amps a look, as I've heard they're some of the best you can get, for the money. Supposedly they make amps for some other high-end brands, and finally decided to sell some under their own brand. I am looking at the UPA-200, since I only have a 2 speaker system right now. Pretty sure you also need a pre-amp with that model, and I'm looking at the USP-1. I believe the company has a 30 day trial period, so you can listen and send the stuff back if you're not satisfied!
http://emotiva.com/ (http://emotiva.com/)
Although, honestly, a new phono cartridge would probably make the biggest difference in my system...
Lots of good websites and forums on this topic. I'd check out http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php) if you haven't already.
Great info so far. I think once I get this going, at least initially, I am going to be so excited to actually hear music 'properly' again, that even staying on the reasonable end of the spectrum price wise will be fine. Like I mentioned, 3/4 of the time I am listening to low grade mp3 versions through my iMac speakers, or maybe a pair of very-mediocre phones. Thanks :thumbsup:
Like jcoyote, we also have an Expedit shelf for vinyl. I'll have to snap a pick and share. We have the 8 shelf one, on it's side, on castors with the stereo on top of it. It's a sweet looking set up.
OK, to share of few pictures of my collection, album shelves and racks come in many shapes and sizes. They just need to be very strong and sturdy if you want to store lots of lps. A few pictures of my collection. Among my most favorite physical worldly possessions.
(http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b479/jgsvinyl/P1040012_zps4fe51e2f.jpg)
(http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b479/jgsvinyl/P1040013_zps0e324590.jpg)
(http://i1047.photobucket.com/albums/b479/jgsvinyl/P1040014_zpsbbb9f219.jpg)
That's some serious vinyl porn going on...
Headhunter, are those framed pictures from the under the overpass set I see? Also, it's not a record collection. It's a record library. Beautiful. :thumbsup:
That's a nice setup headhunter. Something to shoot for... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Fully on Dec 19, 2012, 09:37 PM
Headhunter, are those framed pictures from the under the overpass set I see? Also, it's not a record collection. It's a record library. Beautiful. :thumbsup:
Good eye Beth! One of my favorites moments of 2012 ( or any year for that matter).
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8358/8290290124_f095a77a2d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69305361@N00/8290290124/)
IMG_1110 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69305361@N00/8290290124/#) by momcast (http://www.flickr.com/people/69305361@N00/), on Flickr
Here is our vinyl set up. There is about 800 pieces of vinyl. We've sorted through it all over the years to keep the collection under control, but there's more coming in weekly. It also shows off what a bloody mess everything is!
When buying vinyl in person, say at a swap meet or yard sale or even used record store, what do you look for as far as condition? Not so much the sleeve, but the actual disc. Obvious scratches would be easy enough to see, but what about more minor 'scratches', is that death for the album? How closely do you have to inspect? Do albums appear perfect and then you find out later there was a flaw you didn't see, and how often?
This info would help a novice who might want to stat picking up some bargains. :thumbsup:
You know what I used to love when I bought albums in the 80s (my teens)? When albums had little inscriptions in the last groove. I loved finding some little inside joke or message from the band scribbled there.
Buying my first turntable with some Xmas gift cards. Probably an Audio Technica LP60. Seems like a good value for a noob.
Quote from: parkervb on Dec 26, 2012, 03:47 PM
Buying my first turntable with some Xmas gift cards. Probably an Audio Technica LP60. Seems like a good value for a noob.
Congratulations! I'm sure you will be very happy with your new toy.
Quote from: parkervb on Dec 26, 2012, 03:47 PM
Buying my first turntable with some Xmas gift cards. Probably an Audio Technica LP60. Seems like a good value for a noob.
That's what I have. Does the trick.
Quote from: johnnYYac on Dec 26, 2012, 04:32 PM
Quote from: parkervb on Dec 26, 2012, 03:47 PM
Buying my first turntable with some Xmas gift cards. Probably an Audio Technica LP60. Seems like a good value for a noob.
That's what I have. Does the trick.
I also have it and although I don't know much about turntables at all, I give it my stamp of approval.
Headhunter, your collection is very inspiring!! I just started my collection this year but I've probably bought 75 vinyls this year (every major jacket album except okonokos and celebracion de la ciudad natal I believe).
Does anyone know if there is any quality difference between the 45 and 33?
Quote from: LeanneP on Dec 19, 2012, 11:47 PM
You know what I used to love when I bought albums in the 80s (my teens)? When albums had little inscriptions in the last groove. I loved finding some little inside joke or message from the band scribbled there.
I've bought several albums lately with those inscriptions on them. It is fun.
Quote from: davymac on Dec 26, 2012, 10:05 PM
Does anyone know if there is any quality difference between the 45 and 33?
This was posted about a week ago and I believe you'll find it informative:
Quote from: headhunter on Dec 17, 2012, 09:36 AM
Beth,
Any album cut at 45 rpm should sound much better than a 33 rpm lp. Reason is basically that more information can be "read" from the grooves on an album when it is a) read at a slower speed and b) not as compacted on the album so that the music is not squeezed in as tightly.
Think of it like a book. Much easier to read larger print (especially when you start getting old like me) than reading one of those books where the print is tiny.
The better your turntable, stereo and cartridge (needle) - the more you would be able to notice the difference.
Hope that helps.
Quote from: TheThird on Dec 26, 2012, 10:17 PM
Quote from: davymac on Dec 26, 2012, 10:05 PM
Does anyone know if there is any quality difference between the 45 and 33?
This was posted about a week ago and I believe you'll find it informative:
Quote from: headhunter on Dec 17, 2012, 09:36 AM
Beth,
Any album cut at 45 rpm should sound much better than a 33 rpm lp. Reason is basically that more information can be "read" from the grooves on an album when it is a) read at a slower speed and b) not as compacted on the album so that the music is not squeezed in as tightly.
Think of it like a book. Much easier to read larger print (especially when you start getting old like me) than reading one of those books where the print is tiny.
The better your turntable, stereo and cartridge (needle) - the more you would be able to notice the difference.
Hope that helps.
Ah I over read that-thanks!
Oh man, exist10z...wish I'd seen that last question he asked in this thread.
I finally finished my rather large recordshelf (82" high, 50" wide), and filled it up, and here it is:
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/cberry47/imgs/11filled.JPG)
Hooray, still room for more records!
That's beautiful, Chris. Well done! :thumbsup:
Quote from: johnnYYac on Jan 29, 2013, 11:39 PM
That's beautiful, Chris. Well done! :thumbsup:
Thanks, man! Now I more room to get to my other projects, like framing all these goddamn posters!
Quote from: Crispy on Jan 29, 2013, 11:33 PM
Oh man, exist10z...wish I'd seen that last question he asked in this thread.
I finally finished my rather large recordshelf (82" high, 50" wide), and filled it up, and here it is:
(http://pages.suddenlink.net/cberry47/imgs/11filled.JPG)
Hooray, still room for more records!
Chris- that looks really awesome. Guessing the days that you still have "room for more records" won't last very long.
All those vinyl porn pics makes me wanna buy more vinyl!
I would, but LeanneP would kill me
Quote from: alienlanes on Jan 30, 2013, 04:36 PM
All those vinyl porn pics makes me wanna buy more vinyl!
I would, but LeanneP would kill me
She'll get over it. :grin:
With the release of JJ's album I think I am officially only buying vinyl or mp3s. Having spent 10 years of my life working in an indie record shop, I have amassed a shitload of CDs, about 2500 give or take. Records didn't really make a comeback when I worked at the shop. But I really don't care about starting over, I'm only 33 and if all goes well, I'll have plenty of years ahead of me to collect vinyl.
My main question I have for you guys is, are the tables with a USB jack worth getting? Meaning if I bought an old used record, could I rip it to my PC with the USB jack?
Quote from: Angelo on Jan 31, 2013, 12:27 PM
With the release of JJ's album I think I am officially only buying vinyl or mp3s. Having spent 10 years of my life working in an indie record shop, I have amassed a shitload of CDs, about 2500 give or take. Records didn't really make a comeback when I worked at the shop. But I really don't care about starting over, I'm only 33 and if all goes well, I'll have plenty of years ahead of me to collect vinyl.
My main question I have for you guys is, are the tables with a USB jack worth getting? Meaning if I bought an old used record, could I rip it to my PC with the USB jack?
Angelo- as a resident vinyl lover and admitted record snob (I buy over 100 records a year and maybe 2-3 cds), I'd say that the switch from cd's to vinyl is the best move any music lover can make on many different levels. Sound quality is better, listening is more fun, records are more interesting --liner notes you can read plus other goodies -- records listening is just BETTER. That being said, imo, when you buy a tt with a usb jack, you often defeat the purpose buy breaking down the analog back to zeros and ones. imo, the only reason to use a usb jack with a tt is if you have lots of cool old records you want to digitize for your ipod. You would be able to digitize all of your vinyl but the sound quality will be (again my opinion) much less than vinyl and probably not even as good as if you just bought the cd in the first place.
And my personal opinion is that I don't think any TT that digitizes vinyl with a usb is nearly as good as those that are analog only. A good starter Rega, Music Hall or other new tt's or a good used tt that can be picked up on ebay or audiogon will sound better than a new tt that also has a usb port.
McDonalds may sell the most hamburgers but if/when I want a good burger, I ain't gonna visit the Golden Arches.
Just my 2 cents ...
I agree with HH here, I would go for a nice turntable, and then get one of these kinds of thingies (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KW2YEI?tag=at055-20) to do the rips with. I should do this myself, I have a few old records with tracks that I might like to put on mixtapes.
HH, thanks for your input. That would be the sole reason why I would want something with a USB plug. Having records are nice and all but their biggest flaw is their lack of portability. As any real music lover can attest, driving and tunes go together like chocolate and peanut butter! I know most new records come with a download code but that won't help me when I get used stuff.
Chris - I've never seen one of those before. If I can rip records onto my hard drive with that then I think my problem's solved! Also, your shelf project turned out great, well done! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Angelo on Jan 31, 2013, 08:52 PM
Having records are nice and all but their biggest flaw is their lack of portability. As any real music lover can attest, driving and tunes go together like chocolate and peanut butter!
Dude: cassette tapes! :drum:
Where can I find an 8 track player with a USB jack? I remember my sister used to have a Zeppelin 8 track when I was a kid.
Quote from: Angelo on Feb 01, 2013, 09:46 AM
Where can I find an 8 track player with a USB jack? I remember my sister used to have a Zeppelin 8 track when I was a kid.
See if this helps. I have no idea myself.
http://www.instructables.com/answers/Converting-8-track-tapes-is-there-any-usb-gadget/ (http://www.instructables.com/answers/Converting-8-track-tapes-is-there-any-usb-gadget/)
It was a joke party pooper. I guess I forgot to use the sarcasm font. :tongue:
8-tracks are no joke, man. My best Dark Side of the Moon listening experiences were in my buddy's Datsun 210 with that 8-track whirring away. Just don't hit that goddamn "program" button!
BTW, an easy and cheap solution for record ripping is to just use an RCA plug adapter with a headphone-type cable run into the line-in jack on the sound card on your puter, then use whatever software you like to record, like Audacity. The thing I linked to on Amazon looks like an easier and (maybe) higher quality way to do the same thing.
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My stash...at last count right around 350...all of my cd's were stolen when my car got broken into the night of my birthday in 2005. i had just brought my parents stereo system to my apartment to listen to old records when i wanted to...(vinyl was not really making a comeback just yet at this time) i started doing some research and noticed that quite a few of the bands i liked were putting out vinyl records. and the obsession began, 4 years ago I added a very nice turntable and am about to get a high end receiver/tuner. next upgrade after thatwill be some very high end speakers(have to pace myself) haven't bought a cd since other than a couple that were signed etc, i still have them for my car but most of them are burnt from vinyls i've bought or actual cds that came with the vinyl...the original pressings of all the mmj albums were some of the first things i bought...took about a year to round all of the ones that were out at the time up...so glad i did because they are getting harder and harder to find these days
Scos, I am going to send you a stern message every day until you post a picture showing that you have put those records in boxes at the very least, so they're not stacked like that anymore, young man! :angry:
Quote from: scosby2 on Feb 08, 2013, 03:22 PM
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the original pressings of all the mmj albums were some of the first things i bought...took about a year to round all of the ones that were out at the time up...so glad i did because they are getting harder and harder to find these days
I won that ebay auction a couple years ago that had that huge lot of MMJ vinyl and I couldn't be happier about it, I had just gotten into collecting records at the time that somebody (probably Yac) posted a link on the forum, and for around $150 (if i'm remembering right), I made out like a bandit. The lot included:
TTF
AD
ISM
Z
Evil Urges
Okonokos
Chocolate & Ice
Celebracion de la Ciudad Natal
Off the Record 7"
Tribute To
Hell, You can't even get Okonokos for that price any more, and everything was brand new and unplayed...easily my best MMJ score to date.
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 08, 2013, 03:27 PM
Scos, I am going to send you a stern message every day until you post a picture showing that you have put those records in boxes at the very least, so they're not stacked like that anymore, young man! :angry:
hahaha...they are now in the box that my new home theater system came in...i tried my best not to stack them like that but obviously i ran out of room a little while ago and thats the best i could do...you can rest easy now, crispy....they are safe
i am getting my grandmothers old magnavox cabinet style record player from the 60's...still works great and sounds good so a lot of them are going to go in there when I get it moved over here...will use my more modern better sounding setup for the listening but I really need the cabinet for storage space...plus it will be a nice conversation piece..i'll post pics when i get it moved to my place
Quote from: scosby2 on Feb 08, 2013, 07:03 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 08, 2013, 03:27 PM
Scos, I am going to send you a stern message every day until you post a picture showing that you have put those records in boxes at the very least, so they're not stacked like that anymore, young man! :angry:
hahaha...they are now in the box that my new home theater system came in...i tried my best not to stack them like that but obviously i ran out of room a little while ago and thats the best i could do...you can rest easy now, crispy....they are safe
i am getting my grandmothers old magnavox cabinet style record player from the 60's...still works great and sounds good so a lot of them are going to go in there when I get it moved over here...will use my more modern better sounding setup for the listening but I really need the cabinet for storage space...plus it will be a nice conversation piece..i'll post pics when i get it moved to my place
Ooo, those old cabinets are sweet! Just make sure you get a new cartridge in there if you do decide to use it for listening...you know some of those old guys have tube amps in 'em.
And you're still not off the hook with the record storage! Pics or it didn't happen.
For those interested this is a fantastic watch:
When Albums Ruled the World (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em4kpy1YuNQ#ws)
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 01, 2013, 11:17 AM
BTW, an easy and cheap solution for record ripping is to just use an RCA plug adapter with a headphone-type cable run into the line-in jack on the sound card on your puter, then use whatever software you like to record, like Audacity. The thing I linked to on Amazon looks like an easier and (maybe) higher quality way to do the same thing.
This won't really work because if you don't go through a phono preamp you won't have the RIAA equalization curve or necessary gain applied. Basically what you'll get without that is an extremely low signal with no low end, due to the way records are pressed. This is why you can't plug a turntable into an "aux" or cd input, it needs a true phono stage.
Quote from: adastra on Feb 21, 2013, 10:18 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 01, 2013, 11:17 AM
BTW, an easy and cheap solution for record ripping is to just use an RCA plug adapter with a headphone-type cable run into the line-in jack on the sound card on your puter, then use whatever software you like to record, like Audacity. The thing I linked to on Amazon looks like an easier and (maybe) higher quality way to do the same thing.
This won't really work because if you don't go through a phono preamp you won't have the RIAA equalization curve or necessary gain applied. Basically what you'll get without that is an extremely low signal with no low end, due to the way records are pressed. This is why you can't plug a turntable into an "aux" or cd input, it needs a true phono stage.
Ah, very true. So I guess what one would need to do is run a line from the old tape monitor output on one's amp rather than the TT itself. I should go ahead and try it myself before I spout off any more speculative advice.
Quote from: adastra on Feb 21, 2013, 09:59 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 01, 2013, 11:17 AM
BTW, an easy and cheap solution for record ripping is to just use an RCA plug adapter with a headphone-type cable run into the line-in jack on the sound card on your puter, then use whatever software you like to record, like Audacity. The thing I linked to on Amazon looks like an easier and (maybe) higher quality way to do the same thing.
This won't really work because if you don't go through a phono preamp you won't have the RIAA equalization curve or necessary gain applied. Basically what you'll get without that is an extremely low signal with no low end, due to the way records are pressed. This is why you can't plug a turntable into an "aux" or cd input, it needs a true phono stage.
Unless, of course, your table has a built-in preamp (like the AT-PL50). I've recorded several albums with that table. Sounds perfectly fine to me. I now have a Rega RP1 and Bellari VP-130 preamp...haven't tried a recording with that yet. Kinda wish I saved the AT-PL50 for that reason (now I'll either have to move my table or find a laptop to bring to the table), but I gave it to a friend to get him started down the vinyl path. Paying it forward I guess.
Yeah, a tape out on a Preamp/Reciever is the usual method. Looks like the Bellari has 30dB of gain which for some cartridges will still be a bit shy of line level but for most that would work pretty well. Nice receivers will often have a unity-gain buffer across the tape outputs which is good for impedance but on the other hand its another stage of electronics to put your signal through. The cadillac approach would be a dedicated ADC (analog to digital converter) taking a line level in and outputting s/pdif or i2s to your computer. And don't get me started on Codecs... I don't mess with it much but I have heard some vinyl rips that were pretty amazing!
Ok this has bugged me for a while but do different pressings have different audio quality? I heard somewhere to always search for the first pressing of an album because it has the best quality and all other pressings don't live up to the original. Any merit to this?
Quote from: TheThird on Feb 24, 2013, 11:06 PM
Ok this has bugged me for a while but do different pressings have different audio quality? I heard somewhere to always search for the first pressing of an album because it has the best quality and all other pressings don't live up to the original. Any merit to this?
Different pressings
usually do have different audio quality.
The first pressings aren't always the best pressings but they usually are. Promo copies are usually the best. Some later pressings, especially if they are Japanese pressings or if they are on audiophile labels like Mobile Fidelity Sound labs (MFSL) can be significantly better.
And the differences can be as profound as the difference between drinking a Budweiser vs. an IPA from a good micro-brewery. They are both beer but .....