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Title: Can you convert me?
Post by: Paulie_Walnuts on Feb 06, 2013, 09:03 AM
I was listening to The Flying Burrito Brothers last night and one of the songs struck me as sounding very like The Rolling Stones. This obviously ties in with Gram Parsons' influence on the Stones at a certain point. I liked the Burrito's song that I was listening to and it prompted me to ask myself why I don't really like The Rolling Stones.

Saying that I don't like The Rolling Stones music to some may be sacrilege, but I'll up the ante here and say that I don't really like The Beatles or Bob Dylan either. Now before anyone attacks me I'll say that I haven't listened to lots of their music. My approach is that if a band hooks me in the first few times I hear them then I'll investigate further. The Stones, Beatles or Dylan never hooked me in early.

As a result, I can't offer a critique as to the merits of an individual album as I haven't listened to an entire one from any of the mentioned artists. However, I have heard plenty of their songs......the usual suspects, or what might be classed as their "greatest hits."

My question is whether anyone on here can offer me up some songs that I might not have heard before that might change my opinion? I do consider myself to be open-minded and open to conversion. I do remember once hearing a song by Bob Dylan on a late night programme on BBC London that I thought was really good and nothing like any Bob Dylan I'd heard before. Unfortunately I never made a note of the song title.

Anyway, throw me some Youtube clips or songs I could listen to that might change my viewpoint.........
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Jaimoe on Feb 06, 2013, 09:39 AM
All three acts you mentioned are album bands, so there's lots to choose from.


These come without thinking too much:

The Rolling Stones- Loving Cup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtJ34oFnpog#)

The end was an improv with a transcendent Mick Taylor guitar solo

Can't You Hear Me Knockin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ8MvnEVCqM#)


Factory Girl - The Rolling Stones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5950v0kTJg#ws)



Rolling Stones - Dear Doctor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psz7fFej6Xc#)



Sister Morphine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtz8qZz6s8s#)


Rolling Stones Stray Cat Blues Beggars Banquet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiMMGC706SU#)


The Dirty Mac (John Lennon, Keith Richards, Mitch Mitchell and Eric Clapton) doing "Yer Blues" from The White Album


Yer Blues - Dirty Mac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD3OJkPGW6s#)



Girl from the North Country Bob Dylan & Johnny Cash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IZ7MD9oc3o#)


Forever Young (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUKUMmM89IQ#)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Penny Lane on Feb 06, 2013, 10:14 AM
Quote from: Paulie_Walnuts on Feb 06, 2013, 09:03 AM
I was listening to The Flying Burrito Brothers last night and one of the songs struck me as sounding very like The Rolling Stones. This obviously ties in with Gram Parsons' influence on the Stones at a certain point. I liked the Burrito's song that I was listening to and it prompted me to ask myself why I don't really like The Rolling Stones.

Saying that I don't like The Rolling Stones music to some may be sacrilege, but I'll up the ante here and say that I don't really like The Beatles or Bob Dylan either. Now before anyone attacks me I'll say that I haven't listened to lots of their music. My approach is that if a band hooks me in the first few times I hear them then I'll investigate further. The Stones, Beatles or Dylan never hooked me in early.

As a result, I can't offer a critique as to the merits of an individual album as I haven't listened to an entire one from any of the mentioned artists. However, I have heard plenty of their songs......the usual suspects, or what might be classed as their "greatest hits."

My question is whether anyone on here can offer me up some songs that I might not have heard before that might change my opinion? I do consider myself to be open-minded and open to conversion. I do remember once hearing a song by Bob Dylan on a late night programme on BBC London that I thought was really good and nothing like any Bob Dylan I'd heard before. Unfortunately I never made a note of the song title.

Anyway, throw me some Youtube clips or songs I could listen to that might change my viewpoint.........

Great clips---Listen to Let it bleed, Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main Street (the twangy-parsons infused-mick taylor albums). I don't listen to the Stones other than those 3..
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Shug on Feb 06, 2013, 11:43 AM
Those bands you mentioned are all in my top 5 all time faves, so its hard for me to resist the urge to convert you, especially since you requested it!  While its cool of you to want to try to like bands you seem to think you might be missing out on, maybe they are just not your cup of tea stylistically?  What other stuff do you like (besides MMJ, of course)?  I mean some people just don't dig classic rock. 

But I agree with Jaimoe and Penny, my fave Stones and what I think is most impressive is the Mick Taylor years (Jaimoe also suggested Beggar's Banquet, right before Taylor joined, which is also a great suggestion), so that's Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile On Main Street, Goat's Head Soup and Its Only Rock 'n' Roll.  Out of those I'd say Sticky Fingers is the most consistently high quality. It also covers quite a few styles (the Parsons-influence country rock, as you mentioned, and straight up horn-driven R&B flavored rock 'n' roll and some pretty good blues and some ballads).  If I could only pick one Stones album that would be it.

As for Dylan, don't try too hard to like him.  It'll either grab you or it wont, I think.  If its his voice that bugs you, the only way to go is Nashville Skyline, the only record on which you might argue that he was singing pretty.  He claims it was the only time he was relaxed in the studio, but for whatever reason his voice never sounded like that before or after. In addition to the Johnny Cash duet Jaimoe posted, its also got Lay Lady Lay which seems to be a song loved by many who don't like much else by Dylan.  Its a very country, folky laid back record but his voice sounds warm and rich.  Dylan also has lots of different periods, so its hard to suggest albums without more information about what you like and don't like.  You probably can't go too far wrong by checking out Blonde On Blonde, Blood On The Tracks, Highway 61 Revisited and for later stuff, Time Out Of Mind.  I'd also consider the live album with The Band, Before The Flood.

And as for The Beatles, same deal, it depends on what you like.  Many indie rock fans who love stuff like Big Star will go for Revolver and Rubber Soul for the jangly Rickenbacker guitar sounds and the start of psychedelia.  Abbey Road is considered a masterpiece by many ditto for Sgt. Pepper's of course (which is probably more of a cultural watermark than it is a brilliant album when taken out of context).  White Album is all over the place stylistically, kinda schizophrenic and obscure, but some think its tops for the Beatles.  The early stuff with the really simple yet masterful pop songwriting is not for everyone, but if you like early '60s pop, they were obviously very good at it.

Let us know what you think if you check out some of this stuff, its interesting to me to hear about somebody coming to this music later in life.  For me its the stuff that I first loved and always will be tops in my book.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: EverythingChanges on Feb 06, 2013, 12:34 PM
This is the song that caught me for Dylan and it is still my favorite.  It is truly beautiful.

Bob Dylan - It's All Over Now, Baby Blue (1965) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd5UkWHnQhA#)


Can never go wrong with this jingle jangle tune.

Mr. Tambourine Man (Live at the Newport Folk Festival. 1964) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeP4FFr88SQ#)


Neil Young and Bob Dylan - Helpless + Knockin' on Heaven's Door 1975 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sDGTZRdQdw#)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Shug on Feb 06, 2013, 12:43 PM
Good ones, everythingchanges!

This one is killer, too.  Just at the very beginning you see Rick Danko realize what song the unpredictable Dylan is about to launch into (this was a reprise, they had already played the song earlier in the short set and Dylan decided he wanted to play it some more) and the Band is right there with him in an instant.  They had musical telepathy, so tight and so blazing, the best band Dylan ever had, by far, IMO.

The Band & Bob Dylan - Baby Let Me Follow You Down (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPd0EtQ_1Ck#ws)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Angelo on Feb 06, 2013, 02:27 PM
Quote from: Shug on Feb 06, 2013, 12:43 PM
Good ones, everythingchanges!

This one is killer, too.  Just at the very beginning you see Rick Danko realize what song the unpredictable Dylan is about to launch into (this was a reprise, they had already played the song earlier in the short set and Dylan decided he wanted to play it some more) and the Band is right there with him in an instant.  They had musical telepathy, so tight and so blazing, the best band Dylan ever had, by far, IMO.

The Band & Bob Dylan - Baby Let Me Follow You Down (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPd0EtQ_1Ck#ws)

That's great, I never noticed Danko trying to figure out the song in the beginning, thanks for pointing that out. I may need to share this on my fb wall.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Paulie_Walnuts on Feb 06, 2013, 07:06 PM
Thanks for giving it a go. I have listened but there's still nothing that immediately hooks me the same way other music has done. Out of all the stuff posted my favourite is the the song Dylan does with Johnny Cash.

I really like the musical part of the Stones' Loving Cup, but I've decided that it's Jagger's voice that I find off-putting in general terms. The same applies to Dylan, and I guess that's the most cited reason why some people aren't drawn towards him.

To answer your question Shug I would say that my favourites are The Band, Gram Parsons, Doug Sahm, Bonnie Prince Billy, Bill Callahan, Wilco, The Gourds, Midlake.

I suppose it has made me conclude that I need a band to have a great vocalist/s at the helm and I don't personally see that with the Beatles, Stones and Dylan. That's just my opinion.

The Band are my favourite band of all time and with three amazing vocalists in that group I don't see what Dylan adds to them when he's singing. If I could go back in time to see them I'd want to see them on their own and not with another vocalist.

Anyway, this wasn't trying to be negative about any of the groups mentioned - it was just a way of getting some recommendations for songs I might have not heard of. I guess if it hasn't got me now it never will!
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: EverythingChanges on Feb 06, 2013, 07:23 PM
Do you like Neil Young?

I feel like if you do, then you should warm up to Dylan just fine.  Especially his older stuff.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 07:09 AM
Mick is a good lead singer and front man, but not overly versatile. He's pretty average as a blues and country singer, but he can belt out rockers with the best of 'em.

Three of the Fab Four are very good to great singers and harmonizers. The Grateful Dead are one of the greatest harmonizing bands in rock, but none are above average lead singers.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 08:41 AM
Trying to be converted by listening to crappy ass crappy YouTube clips where you lose anything resembling stereophonic sound makes me think you don't really care in the first place. You have to give back. You have to commit. This isn't a drive by or a gimmick; it's basically some of the pillars of ALL the music you like.

Buy Let it Bleed or Sticky Fingers (Exile won't do it for a newbie), lock yourself in your home for a couple of days and L I S T E N. And don't download; downloaded music is shit. It's fast food. Try to get the purest form out there that you have access to. This may be the most important thing you have ever done in your life!

If you REALLY want to know, do that. If you DON'T do this, then you have only yourself to question

good luck






Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 09:56 AM
At the same time, in some cases, conversions will never work. Try as I might, I'll never like Widespread Panic, Genesis, Broken Social Scene, Galactic, moe., Umphrey's McGee, Big Star, Guns N' Roses, Feist, Muse...
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 09:57 AM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 08:41 AM
Trying to be converted by listening to crappy ass crappy YouTube clips where you lose anything resembling stereophonic sound makes me think you don't really care in the first place. You have to give back. You have to commit. This isn't a drive by or a gimmick; it's basically some of the pillars of ALL the music you like.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Can you convert me?
Post by: e_wind on Feb 07, 2013, 10:11 AM
I am trying my hardest to get into the Beatles. I think I'm gonna take Tracy's advice and buy an album on wax and listen.
I do have a new favorite song, which is by the Beatles... Don't Let Me Down. Check it out, I guess, cause this one the first songs that clicked with me.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 09:56 AM
Try as I might, I'll never like Widespread Panic

What??  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Ophelia & Shape I'm In - Widespread Panic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3i2BlgTZm4#)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 01:37 PM
How many times have you listened to something and it immediately clicked? As for me, that rarely happens. Case in point > some of ya'll remember Bowl of Soup? He pushed Twilight Singers on me and I didn't like it after a number of listens; didn't hate it, but I was like meh. Then it clicked and now I love it. Like the first time I heard this I was like whatever. But now, I am like yessssssssssssssss

the twilight singers - underneath the waves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQI2-q05nZk#)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 02:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 09:56 AM
Try as I might, I'll never like Widespread Panic

What??  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Ophelia & Shape I'm In - Widespread Panic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3i2BlgTZm4#)

Their originals are soooo boring. Sure, emotional vocals and good playing, but they bore the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: capt. scotty on Feb 07, 2013, 02:18 PM
As mentioned by others, I think all 3 are album bands primarily, so thats the best way to get into them. The Stones Big 4 albums in a row (Beggar's, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile) are really on another level for me, but they do have other worthwhile stuff. While I respect early Beatles music for what it is, I dont really like their albums until Rubber Soul but  some earlier songs I still like. I think Dylan actually has the best, certainly most expansive catalog. He's still been putting out great albums in the past 15 years. My personal favorite albums are Blood On The Tracks, Desire, and Blonde On Blonde.

While great vocalists have certainly influenced how much I like certain bands (see MMJ or Ben Harper), I dont think that's ever been a big factor in whether I like or dislike bands. I actually really like unique or distinct voices, including Bob Dylan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SkrLadYCG4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SkrLadYCG4)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UzZDOBWGro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UzZDOBWGro)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l42WdPREkKY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l42WdPREkKY)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: capt. scotty on Feb 07, 2013, 02:20 PM
Quote from: e_wind on Feb 07, 2013, 10:11 AM
I am trying my hardest to get into the Beatles. I think I'm gonna take Tracy's advice and buy an album on wax and listen.
I do have a new favorite song, which is by the Beatles... Don't Let Me Down. Check it out, I guess, cause this one the first songs that clicked with me.

I thought the album remasters they released a few years ago sounded noticeably better and it honestly surprised me. Id go for a remaster of whatever album you choose if you can.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 02:47 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 02:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 09:56 AM
Try as I might, I'll never like Widespread Panic

What??  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Ophelia & Shape I'm In - Widespread Panic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3i2BlgTZm4#)

Their originals are soooo boring. Sure, emotional vocals and good playing, but they bore the hell out of me.

true for me, too...they are a great live band, i don't think they're good songwriters-- they've mastered putting on a great show and they're great musicians, but i'll never get the following they have..the friends and relatives i know who follow them do a lot of drugs..(which is fine, i'm sure it heightens any show) but i've never met any WSP fan who didn't partake heavily..in all sorts of things...not that there's anything wrong with it..i'm sure there are a lot of big fans out there who don't...i just don't know them..

I love Can't Get High but recently found out it was a Bloodkin song (i'm now a big fan of Bloodkin)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 03:05 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 02:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 09:56 AM
Try as I might, I'll never like Widespread Panic

What??  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Ophelia & Shape I'm In - Widespread Panic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3i2BlgTZm4#)

Their originals are soooo boring. Sure, emotional vocals and good playing, but they bore the hell out of me.

I was kidding
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 03:09 PM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 02:47 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 02:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 09:56 AM
Try as I might, I'll never like Widespread Panic

What??  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Ophelia & Shape I'm In - Widespread Panic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3i2BlgTZm4#)

Their originals are soooo boring. Sure, emotional vocals and good playing, but they bore the hell out of me.

true for me, too...they are a great live band, i don't think they're good songwriters-- they've mastered putting on a great show and they're great musicians, but i'll never get the following they have..the friends and relatives i know who follow them do a lot of drugs..(which is fine, i'm sure it heightens any show) but i've never met any WSP fan who didn't partake heavily..in all sorts of things...not that there's anything wrong with it..i'm sure there are a lot of big fans out there who don't...i just don't know them..

I love Can't Get High but recently found out it was a Bloodkin song (i'm now a big fan of Bloodkin)

Shouldn't need to partake in anything if music is engaging enough to begin with. I'm a big Dead fan but don't do drugs. Similarly, I don't want comedy recommendations from a pot-head or coffee recommendations from those that add tons of cream and sugar .
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tired Eyes on Feb 07, 2013, 03:18 PM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 02:47 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 02:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 09:56 AM
Try as I might, I'll never like Widespread Panic

What??  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Ophelia & Shape I'm In - Widespread Panic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3i2BlgTZm4#)

Their originals are soooo boring. Sure, emotional vocals and good playing, but they bore the hell out of me.

true for me, too...they are a great live band, i don't think they're good songwriters-- they've mastered putting on a great show and they're great musicians, but i'll never get the following they have..the friends and relatives i know who follow them do a lot of drugs..(which is fine, i'm sure it heightens any show) but i've never met any WSP fan who didn't partake heavily..in all sorts of things...not that there's anything wrong with it..i'm sure there are a lot of big fans out there who don't...i just don't know them..

I love Can't Get High but recently found out it was a Bloodkin song (i'm now a big fan of Bloodkin)

I'm a WSP fan and I don't partake heavily.  I disagree that they don't write good songs.  Check out this performance from Granville, OH as an example.
I also think John Bell is one of the best vocalists in popular music.

Widespread Panic - I'm Not Alone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXz4NxHSD1o#)
Title: Can you convert me?
Post by: e_wind on Feb 07, 2013, 03:25 PM
Agree with all statements about WSP. I just can't get into it, and I've tried a lot. Soon I'm going to a couple shows with se work friends, who are heavily into WSP, and I guess that could change my mind.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 03:42 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 03:09 PM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 02:47 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 02:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 09:56 AM
Try as I might, I'll never like Widespread Panic

What??  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Ophelia & Shape I'm In - Widespread Panic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3i2BlgTZm4#)

Their originals are soooo boring. Sure, emotional vocals and good playing, but they bore the hell out of me.

true for me, too...they are a great live band, i don't think they're good songwriters-- they've mastered putting on a great show and they're great musicians, but i'll never get the following they have..the friends and relatives i know who follow them do a lot of drugs..(which is fine, i'm sure it heightens any show) but i've never met any WSP fan who didn't partake heavily..in all sorts of things...not that there's anything wrong with it..i'm sure there are a lot of big fans out there who don't...i just don't know them..

I love Can't Get High but recently found out it was a Bloodkin song (i'm now a big fan of Bloodkin)

Shouldn't need to partake in anything if music is engaging enough to begin with. I'm a big Dead fan but don't do drugs. Similarly, I don't want comedy recommendations from a pot-head or coffee recommendations from those that add tons of cream and sugar .

i also love the Grateful Dead..i don't necessarily associate them with any drug other than weed but any WSP show i've been to and most people i know who love the band partake in other stuff...not to mention the accessories that go with WSP shows (hula hoops, devil sticks, glow sticks, lunch boxes, what not)...not a big fan of the music or the scene i guess..

i respect them a lot, though...
Title: Can you convert me?
Post by: e_wind on Feb 07, 2013, 03:44 PM
Not a big fan of the scene either, and now somehow electronic music
Is making that scene main stream. I would kill for Nelly to be what's cool over Skrillex.  I hate seeing dumb "neo hippies", as they are self proclaimed, hula hooping on campus in between class. Ugg
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tired Eyes on Feb 07, 2013, 03:49 PM
I don't know where the rest of you have seen WSP, but I don't recall seeing hula hoops at any of the 12 shows I've been to so far.
And anyone who thinks alcohol and weed were the only things being consumed at Grateful Dead shows is severely uninformed. (I love the Grateful Dead too btw.)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Hawkeye on Feb 07, 2013, 04:07 PM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 02:47 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 02:03 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 09:56 AM
Try as I might, I'll never like Widespread Panic

What??  :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

Ophelia & Shape I'm In - Widespread Panic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3i2BlgTZm4#)

Their originals are soooo boring. Sure, emotional vocals and good playing, but they bore the hell out of me.

true for me, too...they are a great live band, i don't think they're good songwriters-- they've mastered putting on a great show and they're great musicians, but i'll never get the following they have..the friends and relatives i know who follow them do a lot of drugs..(which is fine, i'm sure it heightens any show) but i've never met any WSP fan who didn't partake heavily..in all sorts of things...not that there's anything wrong with it..i'm sure there are a lot of big fans out there who don't...i just don't know them..

I love Can't Get High but recently found out it was a Bloodkin song (i'm now a big fan of Bloodkin)

Let's just say I've observed what you've observed PL.  Although probably one of THE best times I've had in my entire life was at a WSP show (2005 Bonnaroo, Saturday)...I may have been heavily partaking  :grin:  Would go see them live again, just never really want to listen to their studio stuff.  Definitely respect 'em though.  They can play.

I've never listened to a proper Stones album, so I need to get on that (I like the Stones).

Need to check out the Beatles remasters...maybe I'm over-thinking it...are the re-masters still "true" to the original sound?  What has changed, the mix?  Not really that familiar with re-mastering in general, but I'm intrigued now.

As for the original topic, yeah I would get some vinyl or best quality available and spend some time with it.  These are important bands, for a reason.  But if it never clicks, don't sweat it.  There are lots of bands I like a lot, and are considered "good" bands, but I'm hardly ever in the mood to listen to them regularly:  Zeppelin, Skynyrd, etc.  Tastes change.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 04:09 PM
i'm not saying dead heads don't do more than smoke weed, but the music stands on its own

and i've been going to WSP shows since the 90s--but yeah, in the last 5 years i've only seen them at festivals and i can assure you, bonnaroo 2008, forecastle and hangout fest were full of that tweaker toy sh*t...
Title: Can you convert me?
Post by: e_wind on Feb 07, 2013, 04:11 PM
I've seen them at festivals only and there's been plenty of hoola hoops. In fact, my boss got back from Panic en la Playa this week as showed me pictures of people hoola hooping in the ocean as panic played
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tired Eyes on Feb 07, 2013, 04:16 PM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 04:09 PM
i'm not saying dead heads don't do more than smoke weed, but the music stands on its own

and i've been going to WSP shows since the 90s--but yeah, in the last 5 years i've only seen them at festivals and i can assure you, bonnaroo 2008, forecastle and hangout fest were full of that tweaker toy sh*t...

You told me you skipped WSP at Hangout.  I saw their whole set. 
There are annoying people at MMJ shows too...just check out the thread about bad concert behavior for proof.
I would say that Widespread Panic's music doesn't need any chemical enhancement to enjoy it.  If some folks here disagree, no skin off my nose.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 04:37 PM
Quote from: Tired Eyes on Feb 07, 2013, 04:16 PM
Quote from: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 04:09 PM
i'm not saying dead heads don't do more than smoke weed, but the music stands on its own

and i've been going to WSP shows since the 90s--but yeah, in the last 5 years i've only seen them at festivals and i can assure you, bonnaroo 2008, forecastle and hangout fest were full of that tweaker toy sh*t...

You told me you skipped WSP at Hangout.  I saw their whole set. 
There are annoying people at MMJ shows too...just check out the thread about bad concert behavior for proof.
I would say that Widespread Panic's music doesn't need any chemical enhancement to enjoy it.  If some folks here disagree, no skin off my nose.

my wife dragged me to a show with her old college roommate who is a serious Panic fan, so much so that we were near the fence when they went on stage and Dave Schools said hello to her by name. Winter Park, Colorado, 2006. This song did get me though, I must admit. Plus JoJo was in Beanland with a friend of mine from high school

Ain't Life Grand - Georgia Music Hall of Fame (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_qKSMitgNE#)

Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 06:21 PM
I think I'd need to be fall over drunk to enjoy a WSP show, and I'm a Jimmy Herring fan.

One a related note, I used to love Phish back in the mid '90 to early 2000s, but I saw Trey Anastasio in concert a few weeks back in Toronto and felt absolutely nothing, and he was on; so was his band. I knew that even my like of Phish had left me around 5 or more years ago, but I never thought I'd feel nothing. It wouldn't bother me if I never heard Phish again. I've also never been a fan of Phishheads, so being around so many again made me dislike them even more. That being said, I readily endorse another Oyserhead album and tour.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Crispy on Feb 07, 2013, 06:37 PM
I'm enjoying this WSP threadjack, and would like to pile on. I enjoyed their first record (Space Wrangler) a lot, especially the first track (Chilly Water), and it's been downhill for me ever since. They got my attention when I saw them play at a HORDE show, and saw them again in '94 or so, but the best thing about them is the covers they do, which they tend to knock out of the park. I mean, the second track on that first record is a cover! A damn good one, but I agree with others who say their own material can be pretty boring. I haven't seen them lately, but I'm pretty sure the size and temperament of the crowd would wreck it for me.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tired Eyes on Feb 07, 2013, 07:06 PM
Check out the upcoming shows on the WSP spring tour.  They are playing some nice venues.

http://www.widespreadpanic.com/tour (http://www.widespreadpanic.com/tour)

The presence of WSP is a big reason why I am thinking about attending my first Mountain Jam this year.

Are there any Dave Matthews Band or Mumford & Sons threads on this board?  I think I'll go there and tell folks what I really think of those bands.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tired Eyes on Feb 07, 2013, 07:09 PM
Back to the OP's question...

The Rolling Stones Satisfaction (rare) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_VbImuG71M#)

I agree that Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, and Exile On Main Street are essential Stones albums.  After getting those, I'd recommend checking out Aftermath (UK), Some Girls, and Tattoo You.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 07:11 PM
man, there are few things in life as cool as this (even though Brian Jones looks like the sedated frog-alien King of Uranus)

The Rolling Stones -1968- Jumping Jack Flash (PROMO FILM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqLsIN3zqtQ#ws)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tired Eyes on Feb 07, 2013, 07:13 PM
The Rolling Stones - Far Away Eyes - OFFICIAL PROMO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyK1bZZ7E-s#)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tired Eyes on Feb 07, 2013, 07:22 PM
Rolling Stones .. All Down the line. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtAsaDKB0eY#ws)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Penny Lane on Feb 07, 2013, 08:25 PM
Quote from: Crispy on Feb 07, 2013, 06:37 PM
I'm enjoying this WSP threadjack, and would like to pile on. I enjoyed their first record (Space Wrangler) a lot, especially the first track (Chilly Water), and it's been downhill for me ever since. They got my attention when I saw them play at a HORDE show, and saw them again in '94 or so, but the best thing about them is the covers they do, which they tend to knock out of the park. I mean, the second track on that first record is a cover! A damn good one, but I agree with others who say their own material can be pretty boring. I haven't seen them lately, but I'm pretty sure the size and temperament of the crowd would wreck it for me.

totally agree about the covers----and i love seeing others join them, like Robert Randolph at Bonnaroo..
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: wolof7 on Feb 07, 2013, 09:02 PM
I'm a huge WSP fan btw....live in the classic city is essential listening...kinda dropped off after Don't Tell the Band but still love em live
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Tracy 2112 on Feb 07, 2013, 11:19 PM
maybe my favorite Stones song. The 1:48 mark is one of my favorite pieces of recorded music of all time ever

The Rolling Stones- Monkey Man (Vinyl) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPtjOywbF_I#ws)
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Angelo on Feb 07, 2013, 11:22 PM
Getting back to the topic at hand, I've always loved "I'm So Tired" off The White Album. It's a deep cut but an absolutely beautiful song. If I knew how to add YT videos here I would, but alas, I've no clue. Let me give it a shot anyway:


The Beatles - I'm So Tired (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIENus8bJlY#)



Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Angelo on Feb 07, 2013, 11:25 PM
Shit, it worked! Really, you can't go wrong with the entire White Album, it's sort of like 4 solo albums spread across two discs but it's somehow coherent in my opinion.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: Angelo on Feb 07, 2013, 11:45 PM
One more thing I want to add. As far as Dylan goes, all you really need to do is watch the Scorsese doc "No Direction Home" to gain a real appreciation for the man. It's by far my favorite rock doc. It's not career spanning, it covers up until 68-69 I think but this is a good thing. If he tried to cover Dylan's entire career it'd be 10 discs. I'm too young to understand the real impact Dylan had over his generation but this doc comes as close as I'll ever get. It truly is amazing and I can't recommend it enough to someone with even a slight interest in Dylan or just music in general. I was always a fan of Dylan but after watching this it grew into a bit of an obsession.
Title: Re: Can you convert me?
Post by: capt. scotty on Feb 07, 2013, 11:53 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Feb 07, 2013, 06:21 PM
I think I'd need to be fall over drunk to enjoy a WSP show, and I'm a Jimmy Herring fan.

One a related note, I used to love Phish back in the mid '90 to early 2000s, but I saw Trey Anastasio in concert a few weeks back in Toronto and felt absolutely nothing, and he was on; so was his band. I knew that even my like of Phish had left me around 5 or more years ago, but I never thought I'd feel nothing. It wouldn't bother me if I never heard Phish again. I've also never been a fan of Phishheads, so being around so many again made me dislike them even more. That being said, I readily endorse another Oyserhead album and tour.

I saw Trey in 2006 or so and yeah, it pretty much did nothing for me. Best part was the covers - Will It Go Round In Circles, Dig A Pony, Sledgehammer, maybe 1 more. I did enjoy when I saw his tour around 2001, but that was also when Phish was arguably my favorite band. I wont ever go to a Trey show again. I dont listen to Phish near as much as I used to, but the last couple years theyve really turned it back on based on what Ive seen and heard. Theyre playing light years better than the early 2000's. I dont think seeing Trey and seeing Phish is comparable honestly. I think Im past the time of seeing them 10+ times in a calendar year, but my best friends still tour with them that much if not more so Im sure Ill see a handful this year. I still really enjoyed the couple shows I saw last year from them, although its very rare I ever play them on the ol' ipod.

I saw WSP 10 years ago. It was a fun show, but there's a tons of other bands Id rather see, jam band and otherwise. Perfectly fine with never seeing them again.

And I 2nd the endorsement for another Oysterhead album  :thumbsup: