What's a song that is generally pretty well liked or loved (by people with generally good taste, no low-hanging fruit here) that you just can't understand why anyone wouldn't hate it? No one can get their feelings hurt here, but be as vicious as you want but only towards the songs.
Mine is "Wonderwall." Man that song is just the worst. I just don't understand anything about liking Oasis, but especially this song. The worst was when my friend said "KarateDreamzShoNuff, [we weren't on a first name basis yet] you just need to check out the Ryan Adams version first and then you'll understand it." I believed in her and I believed in Ryan Adams too! For a brief moment I had been tricked into thinking I would like that song, but then I started it and realized "Oh wait, he's just singing 'Wonderwall.' Why would I like this any better?" Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me chicken soup with rice
Do you all ever have that experience where you start listening to a band and you don't 'get' it, but then you keep listening for some reason and you end up falling in love? I think that's honestly been the experience with most/all my favorite bands. Most recent example::::::The National. I must've tried listening to those guys 10 times and never enjoyed it once. I can even remember even thinking to myself how if I ever actually thought I was enjoying their music, it would only be me lying to myself. Well of course the next time I try listening to them, I fall in love with "Karen" and eventually that whole album and then their other albums too. Now I'm to the point where I have to make myself listen to other stuff just cause I don't wanna ONLY listen to the same band nonstop for a year. Weird how some of the best music requires you to have to put a little bit of work into it before you can start enjoying it.
pretty funny bc as soon as I read the title of this thread I was going to say The National.
Seems people who generally like what I like listen to The National and I can't say I have enjoyed what I've heard. I will admit I haven't listened to more than a handful of songs either. I also fully admit to being extremely picky when it comes to music. I also never liked The White Stripes or The Black Keys. But to each their own.
I never understood how people could knock The Black Crowes when they've been my favorite band since the 90's.
As for Wonderwall and Ryan Adams, I am among the biggest Ryan Adams fans around and I still prefer the Oasis version of Wonderwall.
Quote from: LBSUNFLWR on Aug 15, 2016, 08:44 AM
I never understood how people could knock The Black Crowes when they've been my favorite band since the 90's.
that's a thing?
yeah people rag on them.
those people are wrong.
Dave Matthews Band.
Phish.
I get it but don't get it - I respect their music, their talent and all but it doesn't move me.
Radiohead does absolutely nothing for me. Have tried to listen to their music many many times. Told myself it must be a live thing, so I saw them live. Nothing. Like nails on a chalkboard.
Quote from: parkervb on Aug 15, 2016, 10:31 AM
Quote from: LBSUNFLWR on Aug 15, 2016, 08:44 AM
I never understood how people could knock The Black Crowes when they've been my favorite band since the 90's.
that's a thing?
I don't understand how people can not like The Black Crowes but think Chris Robison Brotherhood is fantastic. CRB, to me, is embarrassingly bad, especially compared to how good the Black Crowes were for much of their years. Also cannot understand why so many Crowes fans don't seem to appreciate what a genius Rich Robinson is as a guitar player and song writer and continues to be in his solo tours.
Southern Harmony and Musical Companion is, IMO, the best rock album of the 90s.
Quote from: LBSUNFLWR on Aug 15, 2016, 08:44 AM
pretty funny bc as soon as I read the title of this thread I was going to say The National.
Seems people who generally like what I like listen to The National and I can't say I have enjoyed what I've heard. I will admit I haven't listened to more than a handful of songs either. I also fully admit to being extremely picky when it comes to music. I also never liked The White Stripes or The Black Keys. But to each their own.
I never understood how people could knock The Black Crowes when they've been my favorite band since the 90's.
As for Wonderwall and Ryan Adams, I am among the biggest Ryan Adams fans around and I still prefer the Oasis version of Wonderwall.
Cool cool cause we're on pretty different ends of MMJ's spectrum apparently. Oasis I don't like. Black Keys are pretty meh, not terrible, but pretty unspectacular. But I think the White Stripes are all-timers. I love literally every single one of their songs with no exceptions.
As for the Black Crowes, they're honestly nowhere on my radar (including the Robinson brother side projects). The only song I know is "Hard to Handle" which I kinda dislike a lot, so that's kept me from ever looking beyond that, but might be I should look into it more.
BTW, we also agree on Ryan Adams, he's another all-timer, and maybe the only all-timer on my list who seems to have such a low opinion of their own music. Haha!
Quote from: walterfredo on Aug 15, 2016, 12:18 PM
Radiohead does absolutely nothing for me. Have tried to listen to their music many many times. Told myself it must be a live thing, so I saw them live. Nothing. Like nails on a chalkboard.
I really like The Bends and OK Computer. Kid A I'm pretty fond of, but that may just be a result of the number of times I listened to that album trying to 'get' it. Never seen them live, but I've been hopeful that if I did, some of their later stuff would click more, but there's a good chance it wouldn't.
Quote from: parkervb on Aug 15, 2016, 11:09 AM
Phish.
I get it but don't get it - I respect their music, their talent and all but it doesn't move me.
Dude YES. Everytime I've ever listened to them, my thought process goes like this:
"You gotta admit, self, they are pretty pretty on those instruments..." quickly followed by "But aren't there other people who are also talented musicians whose music sounds good??"
I bet being in Phish (or other jam bands) is probably more fun than being in other bands cause there's no restrictions, you can do exactly what you want. MMJ does so much better than most bands at varying their setlists and trying to experiment with songs they've played a bunch before, but even that would wear on me. I would hate feeling like I HAD to play a certain song or people were going to be disappointed. So kudos to Phish for creating a situation where they don't have to do that, but I just can't latch on man
Quote from: parkervb on Aug 15, 2016, 11:09 AM
Phish.
I get it but don't get it - I respect their music, their talent and all but it doesn't move me.
I have to 100% agree!
And I have to laugh whenever I see this bumper sticker...
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I love Radiohead since I heard the first note of the first album when I was in college. I have been a fan over the years and they're one of the best live shows I have ever seen...but I don't listen to them that often and they are one band I NEVER try to convince anyone to listen to bc I know they are not for everybody.
Quote from: Shug on Aug 15, 2016, 01:17 PM
Quote from: parkervb on Aug 15, 2016, 10:31 AM
Quote from: LBSUNFLWR on Aug 15, 2016, 08:44 AM
I never understood how people could knock The Black Crowes when they've been my favorite band since the 90's.
that's a thing?
I don't understand how people can not like The Black Crowes but think Chris Robison Brotherhood is fantastic. CRB, to me, is embarrassingly bad, especially compared to how good the Black Crowes were for much of their years. Also cannot understand why so many Crowes fans don't seem to appreciate what a genius Rich Robinson is as a guitar player and song writer and continues to be in his solo tours.
Southern Harmony and Musical Companion is, IMO, the best rock album of the 90s.
Agree with you about Southern Harmony and I think Amorica is not far behind. 2 all-time favorite albums. My favorite band to see live and I have seen them live more than any other band.
To me no one will ever be the Black Crowes...but I love the CRB. Completely different sound though. I just think Chris is such an awesome front man, and being a huge Ryan Adams fan I was already a Neal Casal fan. Seeing Neal with Chris is like a dream for me. And Adam MacDougall was fun in the BC but kills it in the CRB!! They put on a fantastic 3 hour live show!
That being said, I also am a huge fan of Rich Robinson. He's my favorite guitar player and I go see him any chance I get as well.
Quote from: Shug on Aug 15, 2016, 01:17 PM
Quote from: parkervb on Aug 15, 2016, 10:31 AM
Quote from: LBSUNFLWR on Aug 15, 2016, 08:44 AM
I never understood how people could knock The Black Crowes when they've been my favorite band since the 90's.
that's a thing?
I don't understand how people can not like The Black Crowes but think Chris Robison Brotherhood is fantastic. CRB, to me, is embarrassingly bad, especially compared to how good the Black Crowes were for much of their years. Also cannot understand why so many Crowes fans don't seem to appreciate what a genius Rich Robinson is as a guitar player and song writer and continues to be in his solo tours.
Southern Harmony and Musical Companion is, IMO, the best rock album of the 90s.
You said it, brother!
Coldplay and Radiohead - never got into them......
Well at least you like Rich solo and The Crowes, I won't hold the CRB love against ya, ha ha ha! :grin:
I'm going to see Rich in Austin and San Antonio next month and I'm stoked. Sven Pipien (Crowes bassist in the later years) is in the band and then Marc Ford will be sitting in for those Woodstock sessions....I could be very excited about a Black Crowes with Marc Ford, Rich Robinson, Gorman, Pipien and a good keyboard player, it'd be too much to think Ed Harsch would do it, but in my dreams that's how it would go. Marc and Rich can handle all the vocals. No need for a lead singer to mess things up, ha ha ha! :grin:
I had the very same conversation when I read that Sven and Marc were playing with Rich. And I would go to that show any chance I could.
I always have loved both brothers, no need for me to choose between the two now.
Last year we got to see Rich solo in Newport, KY in a really old church converted into a music venue. Only about 50 people there. it was so great!
for the phish-haters in the bunch, have any of you seen them live? If not, you should reserve final judgement until you give a live experience a visit.
Quote from: LBSUNFLWR on Aug 16, 2016, 09:21 AM
Quote from: Shug on Aug 15, 2016, 01:17 PM
Quote from: parkervb on Aug 15, 2016, 10:31 AM
Quote from: LBSUNFLWR on Aug 15, 2016, 08:44 AM
I never understood how people could knock The Black Crowes when they've been my favorite band since the 90's.
that's a thing?
I don't understand how people can not like The Black Crowes but think Chris Robison Brotherhood is fantastic. CRB, to me, is embarrassingly bad, especially compared to how good the Black Crowes were for much of their years. Also cannot understand why so many Crowes fans don't seem to appreciate what a genius Rich Robinson is as a guitar player and song writer and continues to be in his solo tours.
Southern Harmony and Musical Companion is, IMO, the best rock album of the 90s.
Agree with you about Southern Harmony and I think Amorica is not far behind. 2 all-time favorite albums. My favorite band to see live and I have seen them live more than any other band.
To me no one will ever be the Black Crowes...but I love the CRB. Completely different sound though. I just think Chris is such an awesome front man, and being a huge Ryan Adams fan I was already a Neal Casal fan. Seeing Neal with Chris is like a dream for me. And Adam MacDougall was fun in the BC but kills it in the CRB!! They put on a fantastic 3 hour live show!
That being said, I also am a huge fan of Rich Robinson. He's my favorite guitar player and I go see him any chance I get as well.
Agreed CRB is completely different music than the Crowes. I like the Crowes, but I love CRB. I guess I'm more into jam band type stuff. One of my favorite current bands. The new album is killer. Neal has really turned into a great lead guitarist.
Quote from: walterfredo on Aug 16, 2016, 05:51 PM
for the phish-haters in the bunch, have any of you seen them live? If not, you should reserve final judgement until you give a live experience a visit.
No hate!!!
I'm saying they are talented...
Just can't get into it.
(And yes... I've seen them in a few forms)
I can respek that!
...but I do need some clarity. Phish has only ever had one form. Are you saying you've seen members play in iterations outside the band, or side projects? Cuz as enjoyable as I find some of those, nothing compares to the band itself. Regardless though, I can respek a diversity in music preferences.
Quote from: walterfredo on Aug 16, 2016, 05:51 PM
for the phish-haters in the bunch, have any of you seen them live? If not, you should reserve final judgement until you give a live experience a visit.
you took quite a leap from our comments to "haters" but that's ok. Saw them several times in 96-97 (Hampton, VB, MSG NYE) and saw them again last year in Portsmouth. Standby my statement...just doesn't move me but I recognize they are among the most talented bands in the world.
I did really enjoy them getting a bit dirty on this Simple from last year
Cosign Phish and The National. Arcade Fire. Foo Fighters.
The Decemberists bore me to pieces
Quote from: parkervb on Aug 17, 2016, 08:32 AM
you took quite a leap from our comments to "haters" but that's ok. Saw them several times in 96-97 (Hampton, VB, MSG NYE) and saw them again last year in Portsmouth. Standby my statement...just doesn't move me but I recognize they are among the most talented bands in the world.
I did really enjoy them getting a bit dirty on this Simple from last year
yeah, bad word choice, my bad.
I was at that show in Bend last summer, great version of Simple.
Nirvana is the band that not only do I not "get" but actually hate. If one more person tells me to check out their unplugged album I may lose it. Despite this every few years I try to figure out what I'm missing and still can't get into them.
Piggy backing on the phish discussion I think some of it has to do with the fact that majority of the lyrics are just plain nonsensical. I would say most people here value the songwriting aspect of bands. Also I think their song structures and timings are more similar to those found in jazz instead of the blues which is more relatable and "rock and roll" if you will.
On the flip side I never liked the arcade fire until reflecktor oddly enough. Somehow that album clicked and made the rest of their albums more accessible.
Steely Dan
Utmost respect for the songwriting and musicianship but Donald Fagens voice
gives me the creeps and I feel like they bring a weird vibe into any room where
there music is being heard....
... And Jimmy Buffet. I can't stand Jimmy Buffet. I have friends that love him and will
occasionally hit me with "You have to hear his version of Wooden Ships or Scarlet Begonias"
to which I reply now I just want to hit you. I used to drink, a lot, and the sound of his music
when I was drinking would send me into a horrible spiral questioning my views on the positive
qualities found in music in general. I haven't had a drink in years and I like his music even less now.
So, I don't get Jimmy Buffet
for whatever reason, these bands never moved the needle for me
grateful dead
rush
u2
van halen
r.e.m.
metallica
guns n roses (HATE axl rose. what a dik)
chili peppers
phish
foo fighters (get back behind the drums, dave)
dave matthews
green day
wow, i could go on forever. one more.....coldplay
99% of today's "popular" music.
I'm a Deadhead, but can't do Phish.
Also, what wheelhousetunes just said...
A few more...
Mark Kozelek and Sun Kil Moon--talk about a guy that bores me. Is the admiration just solely based on his lyrics? cause I don't see anything else he brings to the table. And I don't even like his lyrics
Guns N Roses--like Slappymoe said, I really hate their music. Maybe it's an age thing but I can't even begin to take them seriously (ditto for U2).
The Who--This one I don't feel nearly as strongly about, because they do have a few songs that I know that I really, really like and I think are amazing rock and roll in its purest. But. When people compare them to the Rolling Stones or the Beatles, I just can't see it. I've tried listening to all the big albums and Who's Next is really the only one that I don't think is not good overall. Given the reputation I know I'm wrong, but it just doesn't click with me
Quote from: Varitek on Aug 17, 2016, 02:39 PM
Steely Dan
Utmost respect for the songwriting and musicianship but Donald Fagens voice
gives me the creeps and I feel like they bring a weird vibe into any room where
there music is being heard....
I used to hate Steely Dan and thought they were so lame when I was younger but I've grown to love them.
I can understand why people don't like them, but to me they are pretty dang awesome, especially when you listen to them with a good pair of headphones. They're one of those high quality listening bands like Dire Straits that just feels good in your ears when you're listening with good equipment.
I've just never been able to get into Bob Dylan. I like Lay Lady Lay, Man in Me, and Hurricane, but other than those three songs I just don't really see it. He has a huge amount of songs that makes it kind of overwhelming when trying to figure where to start with him.
Frank Ocean and Beyoncé. Hype hype hype hype hype hype.
Quote from: Nikkogino on Aug 22, 2016, 03:23 PM
Frank Ocean and Beyoncé. Hype hype hype hype hype hype.
Would you say you're generally a fan of R&B music, but just not these two? I like Beyonce well enough, though I just don't think it's all quite for me, but I kinda think Ocean is a genius. Just curious
I am a casual r&b fan...but I'm definitely not a hater of the music. I love Toni Braxton and D'angelo for example. I also love B2M. I think Frank Ocean is good, but highly overrated. He is one of those artists that can shit in a can ("Nikes") and people will praise it.
Quote from: Nikkogino on Aug 22, 2016, 09:26 PM
I am a casual r&b fan...but I'm definitely not a hater of the music. I love Toni Braxton and D'angelo for example. I also love B2M. I think Frank Ocean is good, but highly overrated. He is one of those artists that can shit in a can ("Nikes") and people will praise it.
Cool, yeah "Nikes" was blown out of proportion, but I think there's at least a few songs on the new one that are pretty great and I really thought Channel Orange was pretty much as good as the hype.
Quote from: dogwoody on Aug 17, 2016, 07:02 PM
I've just never been able to get into Bob Dylan. I like Lay Lady Lay, Man in Me, and Hurricane, but other than those three songs I just don't really see it. He has a huge amount of songs that makes it kind of overwhelming when trying to figure where to start with him.
Start with Blood on the Tracks and listen to it 4 or 5 times... youll see. then move to Blonde on Blonde. after that the rest is gravy. dont listen to dylan songs, listen to dylan albums.
basically the entire jam band scene is beyond me. I just don't get it. The music doesn't catch me.
I used to be the same way about Jam bands, but I will say most are something you truly need to experience live before you get it. I had that experience with STS9 (a lot different than you Phish or Widespread's) but I couldn't listen to them in the car or at home but seeing them live was eye-opening, I really enjoyed it. I think it's safe to say the Phish and Widespread fans would agree with me.
Quote from: MMJTX on Aug 24, 2016, 12:01 PM
I used to be the same way about Jam bands, but I will say most are something you truly need to experience live before you get it. I had that experience with STS9 (a lot different than you Phish or Widespread's) but I couldn't listen to them in the car or at home but seeing them live was eye-opening, I really enjoyed it. I think it's safe to say the Phish and Widespread fans would agree with me.
a lot different in a worse way to me. My boyfriend is really the die-hard Widespread Panic fan and I have gone along for all the shows the last few years. Didn't take me long at all to appreciate their talent and the fun times being had by all at their shows. I have now been to 12 Panic shows and really like them a lot.
I finally agreed to go see Phish this summer after saying no to going along the last several years, and I liked it more than I was expecting. I usually find Trey's voice, and a lot of their songs, annoying but the show I went to this summer was pretty great. So I agreed to take a trip in October for a 2 night run.
But STS9 is just not for me. The show I went to last year was heavy on the electronics and I just can't get into that. I need guitars and songs with words and melody. This was just noise to me, and annoying noise at that. I have been told they aren't always like that, and I think we got some of the good stuff at beginning of the show...but the night just took a turn to a crazy electronic dance party and I was not into it at all.
ya maybe STS9 was a bad example. haha. I enjoy a little electronic music here and there so I had a good time. But you'll be hard pressed to find me not enjoying live music!
I hear ya. But I probably won't be going to any more Sound Tribe shows! :)