2012-2013 College Basketball

[Tracy 2112]

Maize n' Blue rolling!

How nice was that to see the 5th best team in the B1G destroy the regular season SEC champs by 20???           

I hate Florida, so good job! 

And how nice to have 1 Big 10 team in the Final 4! Thanks Kansas! I know the tournament has been a major failure for the Big 10 after all the hoopla and not having anyone in the Final 4 would have been embarrassing, to say the least. (It's still sort of embarrassing, IMO). If Michigan wins it all, then great season Michigan with a fluke win against Kansas; but overall, the Big 10 is overrated, again.

Good luck against that Syracuse zone!

[e_wind]

Though I think the whole tournament has had embarrassment after embarrassment, the B1G is definitely over-rated. If any conference is the best this year its the Big East, but they aren't runnin away with anything either...


and theres an argument from someone who knows little about sports

[iLikeBeer]

Good luck against that Syracuse zone!

The so-called experts said Michigan would have trouble against the Havoc VCU defense that averages almost 20 forced turnovers/game.  We only had 12 and won by 25.  Then they said KU's defense which holds teams to under 35% shooting would give us trouble.  We shot almost 50% and won in OT vs. a 1 seed.  Then it was UF's defense and how they hold teams to under 55 ppg in scoring which is among the nation's best that would give us fits.  We scored 79 and won by 20.

Syracuse has looked good and their zone has definitely been giving teams fits in this NCAA run they've been on, but it isn't like there aren't ways of attacking it and beating it.  Louisville in the Big East Finals destroyed it in the 2nd half.  G'town destroyed it in the regular season finale.  Even lowly Uconn had success against it.  I'm not saying Michigan will have success, but I do think they have the type of personnel on their team that can exploit this vaunted Syracuse zone.  We shall see...

[Tracy 2112]

[LBSUNFLWR]

nice! I'm glad to see he's ok and hope he'll be able to travel with the team for the last 2 games! Poor guy. Gotta love the love they have for each other...makes you want to see them win even more!!!

[iLikeBeer]

nice! I'm glad to see he's ok and hope he'll be able to travel with the team for the last 2 games! Poor guy. Gotta love the love they have for each other...makes you want to see them win even more!!!

I heard today that he is expected to be released from the hospital today and is planning on joining the team in Atlanta.  Should be a nice motivational boost for the Cards to have him on the bench... 

[Tracy 2112]

Good luck against that Syracuse zone!

The so-called experts said Michigan would have trouble against the Havoc VCU defense that averages almost 20 forced turnovers/game.  We only had 12 and won by 25.  Then they said KU's defense which holds teams to under 35% shooting would give us trouble.  We shot almost 50% and won in OT vs. a 1 seed.  Then it was UF's defense and how they hold teams to under 55 ppg in scoring which is among the nation's best that would give us fits.  We scored 79 and won by 20.

Syracuse has looked good and their zone has definitely been giving teams fits in this NCAA run they've been on, but it isn't like there aren't ways of attacking it and beating it.  Louisville in the Big East Finals destroyed it in the 2nd half.  G'town destroyed it in the regular season finale.  Even lowly Uconn had success against it.  I'm not saying Michigan will have success, but I do think they have the type of personnel on their team that can exploit this vaunted Syracuse zone.  We shall see...

I like Michigan's team; they have some very unique players/stories and are fun to watch. I know as a Michigan fan you have to talk about how you beat Kansas, but everyone outside the Ann Arbor nation understands that Kansas gave that game away. But, a win is a win. As for Michigan dominating Florida in the great 8, all I have to say is the mighty Big 10 was 1-2 against the SEC in the tournament. Thus, the SEC was underrated or the Big 10 was overrated. You know where I stand. 

[iLikeBeer]

As for Michigan dominating Florida in the great 8, all I have to say is the mighty Big 10 was 1-2 against the SEC in the tournament. Thus, the SEC was underrated or the Big 10 was overrated. You know where I stand. 

Really?  Nothing like ignoring some facts to make your point?!  Let's see, your two wins were Ole Miss over Wisky which I would consider a push as Ole Miss was SEC runner up in the regular season and won the SEC Tournament and Wisky was 4th in the B1G regular season and runner up in the B1G tournament.  The SEC's other win was Florida who was the SEC champs beating Minnesota who finished 9th in the B1G regular season and were the last B1G team to make the big dance.  Sorry if I'm not going to base an opinion on one conference being over or under rated based on such a small sample size to go by... 

[capt. scotty]

Man, Im still salty about that Kansas-Michigan game. What a choke job. Reminded me of the Memphis-Kansas 2008 championship game where it seemed like Derrick Rose, Chris Douglas Roberts & Co had it all sealed up only to have Kansas inexplicably comeback and Chalmers hit that shot. Elijah Johnson played so bad, I wouldnt be surprised if he got paid to throw the game. Starts off with the balltap, commits stupid foul after stupid foul, missed the front end on a few 1 and 1's in the last few minutes, doesnt move the ball upcourt on the last possession fast to try and get the best attempt or possible foul, than he has a floater to tie the game in OT or let Withey get the board on a miss, and he passes it outside for a 3. Ugh, so frustrating. I give Burke props for hitting some big shots, but why you dont foul before he hit the half courter so they couldnt tie the game is beyond me.

That said, Im rooting for Michigan to win it all (cant believe Im saying that as a Penn St fan/alum). Well, Im rooting for the Shockers actually, but I dont give them much of a chance vs Louisville. They looked pretty shaky against OSU's press in the 2nd half, Im pretty sure Louisville will win without much difficulty by 30 minutes into the game. Love Burke, reminds me of Iverson during his Hoyas days. I expect that Cuse game tonight to be a good one, but he may be the difference. Theyll definitely need to be hitting those 3's again to beat the zone. Paging Stauskas. Regardless of who wins though, stoked for monday nights game, should be a dandy and rooting for anyone but Louisville. Hell, hopefully they arent even there! 

[capt. scotty]

I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.

Just sayin 

[ericm]

I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.

Just sayin 

Boy, hindsight really is 20/20. You didn't even have Wichita St. winning one game, and now you're on their bandwagon? 

Just sayin.

[capt. scotty]

I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.

Just sayin 

Boy, hindsight really is 20/20. You didn't even have Wichita St. winning one game, and now you're on their bandwagon? 

Just sayin.

What does that have to do with what I said after 2 rounds of the tournament had been played? Never saw them play until the tourney, and they were a trendy pick in 2012 when they were a 4 or 5 seed and lost their first game, as well as 4 starters from last year. After seeing how they handled Pitt and the Zags, they had me more than convinced they were for real, yet at that point everyone and their mother was saying how Gonzaga was exposed, shouldnt have been a 1 seed, and no one was giving the Shockers any credit for what they had done at that point. Thats what I was trying to say and it seems to have proven to be true.

And yes, I put my money where my mouth is and put 1 unit on the Shockers vs OSU +180, 2 units on the Shockers +4.5 

[ericm]

I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.

Just sayin 

Boy, hindsight really is 20/20. You didn't even have Wichita St. winning one game, and now you're on their bandwagon? 

Just sayin.

What does that have to do with what I said after 2 rounds of the tournament had been played? Never saw them play until the tourney, and they were a trendy pick in 2012 when they were a 4 or 5 seed and lost their first game, as well as 4 starters from last year. After seeing how they handled Pitt and the Zags, they had me more than convinced they were for real, yet at that point everyone and their mother was saying how Gonzaga was exposed, shouldnt have been a 1 seed, and no one was giving the Shockers any credit for what they had done at that point. Thats what I was trying to say and it seems to have proven to be true.

And yes, I put my money where my mouth is and put 1 unit on the Shockers vs OSU +180, 2 units on the Shockers +4.5 

Settle down there Scotty. I was bustin your chops about patting yourself on the back with the "just sayin" self quote.   

[Tracy 2112]

I dont think the Zags were exposed at all. Indiana almost lost to a one man Temple team, it can happen. It isnt all that uncommon for a 1 seed to lose in the 2nd round. More importantly I think Wichita St is just a good team. They beat the Zags by shooting 50% from 3 (14/28) and many werent open looks, after shooting 2/20 from 3 against Pitt. Pitt beat Cuse this year, lost to Michigan by 5, lost to Louisville by 3. Their worst loss was 10 to Marquette. Wichita St made them look like they didnt belong in the tourney and beat Pitt by 18.

Just sayin 

Boy, hindsight really is 20/20. You didn't even have Wichita St. winning one game, and now you're on their bandwagon? 

Just sayin.

scotty's strength has always been hindsight; he has a real knack for predicting winners after the fact. I guess it's harder to cut/paste the future. This is how it usually goes:

During the Indiana/Syracuse game: "but I think MSU and IU get there, and thats with IU losing 11-5 halfway thru the first half right now"

After the fact: "Im not surprised to see Cuse where they are, they have as good of a starting lineup as anyone."

[capt. scotty]

If I was right all the time, Id be in Vegas smart guy.

Dont see how what I said about Cuse is wrong. They lost 6 of their last 12 games, got their doors blown off in their last game, and often struggle to score - something that hasnt changed during the tourney. Im not surprised theyre in the Final Four because theyre probably the most talented team in the country after Michigan, but they werent playing like it down the stretch.

[LBSUNFLWR]

[capt. scotty]

2 in the pink, 1 in the stink leading at the half!!!! 

[capt. scotty]

Man, did Wichita St get jobbed by the refs in the 2nd half. Its like the president called the refs at halftime and said he wants Louisville to win for the Ware story. Quickest jumpball call Ive ever seen which essentially ended the game.

Hoping for a good game between Michigan-Cuse, hope whoever wins beats Louisville.

[Tracy 2112]

Man, did Wichita St get jobbed by the refs in the 2nd half. Its like the president called the refs at halftime and said he wants Louisville to win for the Ware story. Quickest jumpball call Ive ever seen which essentially ended the game.

Hoping for a good game between Michigan-Cuse, hope whoever wins beats Louisville.

Refs? They did the exact same thing last weekend vs OSU> Baker disappeared in the 2nd half and they couldn't set up their O the last 7 minutes. EXACTLY what happened last weekend but UL only had to make up 12 rather than 20.

[ericm]

Man, did Wichita St get jobbed by the refs in the 2nd half. Its like the president called the refs at halftime and said he wants Louisville to win for the Ware story. Quickest jumpball call Ive ever seen which essentially ended the game.

Hoping for a good game between Michigan-Cuse, hope whoever wins beats Louisville.

C'mon man! The refs were calling a tight game all night. This call was no different, and that being the quickest jump ball you've ever seen, seems a bit extreme, and an over reaction. Either that you haven't seen much BBall,and I don't think that is the case.

I thought WSU was getting the benefit of the whistles all night,and especially thought the game being called tight worked in their favor.  Anyone blaming the loss on this one call not going their way is just making an excuse, and I'm glad their coach and players haven't complained about it.