spring/summer dates (devil's advocate)

[dragonboy]

God damn!!!! What a bunch of fuckin' babies!!!! The band will be playing near you soon. Just fuckin' relax!
Now, everyone go and donate money to Danny Cash in the name of childhood cancer research........and stop bitching about things that aren't that important!
Grow the fuck up!!!!!!

Wasn't this all so predictable?

Of course, cancer (& any other disease of any kind, however serious) is more important than MMJ, that, as much as I love this band, is (hopefully) not in dispute.
BUT this is a MMJ forum, not a cancer forum. That's why we're here, right? because we love MMJ?
To say "stop bitching about things that aren't that important!" suggests to me you might need to join a cancer forum.
Coltrane, I read your post on the Danny Cash thread & I feel you. I REALLY do.
I've lived away from my family for a long time now. A few years ago my Mum had cancer & my family decided not to tell me because they knew I would pack my bags & leave to be by her bedside...
I lost my first born last year & posted my feelings on the site. I got a lot of postitive feedback (many warm wishes & PMs) which REALLY fucking helped but I didn't post my thoughts in the wrong section & didn't call anybody a "fucking baby" in the process.
This is a MMJ forum & this is a section dedicated to live shows. I'm not wrong am, I?

Like I said, this was all so predictable, wasn't it?
Take a look at who got angry/rude/sarcastic/or started calling people fucking babies here.
All of those people live in N. America, right? All of those people had the chance to see MMJ live last year, no? Maybe the year before that & maybe the year before that...

I don't know the full story with regards to how many European tours the band have cancelled but if it really is three in a row (please read again before you attack..."I don't know the full story") then European fans do have the right to be upset (that's MHO please tell me if you think I'm wrong - just don't be a prick about it).
Note I said upset...I didn't say they have the right to be rude or sarcastic (humour may be " the shortest distance between 2 people" but sarcasm is the lowest form)
We had a few guests from Europe last year when the shows were cancelled who wrote angry & unhelpful words. That we can do without...
I'm sorry but the fact of the matter is we would have had a hell of a lot more if the same thing had happened in N.America. & that would have been fair enough. Hopefully we would have had the sense to ignore the rude & sarcastic guests & could have debated politely with the people who had something valid to say (or didn't call anyone "a fucking baby").

So come on guys...
We're here because we love MMJ, right? I've shot myself in the foot by choosing to live where I have. If a band comes to Japan I count myself lucky. If I can afford the ticket price ($50+) & can get there for the 7.00pm start even better. That's the life i've chosen to live, It's my bed & I'll lie in it & yet a day doesn't pass when I don't hope to see MMJ live soon (before I die?!!) And that's why I'm here, because the music of MMJ speaks to me & makes me feel like I'm 14 again listening to The Joshua Tree or 16 listening to Nevermind etc (except it's SO much fucking better!!!)

Feel free to be sarcastic or call me a fucking baby if that's why you're here. I'm here cos I love MMJ & I'm on this thread because I feel sorry for the European & Aus fans who had their dates cancelled & have yet to hear anything with regards to new dates  :)

[marktwain]

thanks, dragonboy.  Those are excellent points, and I'm REALLY sorry to hear about your mother and your child.

I think this is a good spot for people to complain/commiserate about not being able to see MMJ.  
And it's a good place to voice concern over lack of updates.

I just wish everyone could keep his/her tone a little more civil and not take everything so personally

[CC]

i'm glad some people can still discuss something without getting all nasty. I don't know when the next european or australian tour is gonna take place but like it said in the original statement, they'll do their best to make up for it and i'm sure that hasn't changed. the festival dates that are popping up won't change that either. when there's news about it, it will be posted. until then, be nice.

[Mr. T.]

I wish I was as good with words as you are dragonboy. Those were good points.

Let's all have a hug, allright?

let me quote the offspring (I wont ever again, promise):

Ahhhhh, it's time to relax,
and you know what that means,
a glass of wine, your favourite easy chair,
and of course this compact disc playing and your home stereo.
So go on and indulge yourself,
that's right, kick off your shoes, put your feet up,
lean back and just enjoy the melodies.
After all, music soothes even the savage beast


 :-* ;)

[SMc55]

amen.  people ought to go do something good with their day like donate to children's cancer research and mr cash.  thread is in the band section.  much more fulfilling than fighting!

How do you know the people posting on this thread aren't the people supporting Danny's charity event? Maybe some of us have managed both.

This whole thread wasn't started by a European fan with nothing else to do with their life. I think you'll find none of the European fans have said anything about the shows for quite a while.
No, this thread was started by an American fan showing some empathy and look where it got him - called offensive names by the knee-jerk brigade.

[Coltrane]

It is all very predictable. Which is what upset me in the first place. Everyone here who knows and loves this band knows for a fact that they care about each and every fan out there. And they will do their absolute best to please everyone.

It really pisses me off when the complaining begins because this band is all about love and happiness and community. But inevitably the selfishness begins. And sure, I got too emotional about it, but it was a defense mechanism.....I wanted to defend the band and the people that work for them.

Yeah, it sucks that Europe and Aus. haven't had shows in awhile. It also sucks that the one time I got the chance to see Radiohead, my wife got sick again and I was worried I would lose her. But you know what, I got over the fact that I didn't get to see them. And you know what Jim did for us??? He dedicated "I Will Be There When You Die" to us at the Roxy in LA in 2003. Which is why I will defend this band to the end.

Anyone on this forum that truly knows and understand the MMJ organization know how hopelessly sorry they are for not being able to entertain the fans abroad as scheduled. CC Baxter is right; the original message about rescheduling is sincere....and that should be good enough for everyone abroad, whether they're 13 or 80 years old. TRUST THE BAND.

This is the whole reason I get frustrated with this forum, especially over the last year.

Music is for good times.

i'm gonna go get drunk now.

[ycartrob]

In my opinion, this is why the thread got nasty:

i have to say that MMJ must have the worst PR & marketing team in the fucking world.

Wouldn't an unreleased/alternative version of a song over Christmas have been a good idea?

I can't help but wonder how many new or casual fans the band have lost during this time.

...the PR-people around the band. they're doing a pretty lousy job.

MMJ's PR machine has been crusty and rusty of late.   Well, they've always been really.  These guys should be stars and their original fan base should not be alienated in the process.  That should not be too much to ask for this band.  Between their shitty PR moves and Sony putting viruses on Z, I'd think the band ought to be second-guessing their move to ATO.

PR is non-existant and they need to get their asses of their shoulders and let the fans know whats going on

START YOUR OWN BAND<
HIRE YOUR OWN PR<
GET YOUR OWN FANS<
GO OWN TOUR<

I just hate whiners. There's no crying in rock and roll folks!

[ratsprayer]

right, nearly every one of those quotes talking about the PR machine, not the actual members of the band.  heaven forbid on a band's forum you might criticise and give your opinions and thoughts on what's going on.  if we didn't care about this band, we wouldn't be here.  maybe to some that's unacceptable whining, but it's the same principle as looking through 70 posts and choosing certain quotes here and there.  we all make efforts in our ways, and im terribly sorry personally for my opinion causing so many problems.  i'm still not going to stop, debate is needed, and i won't apologise for what i said, just the way i said it.  people agree with me, disagree with me, so there must be some sense being made somewhere.  im sorry for any inflammatory language or dick questions, but i stand by what i've said and think i've made good points.  

rock on mmj!  

let's argue about politics then, fuckers!   ;D ;D ;D

[SMc55]

I have to disagree.
This is how the thread got nasty

START YOUR OWN BAND<
HIRE YOUR OWN PR<
GET YOUR OWN FANS<
GO OWN TOUR<

I just hate whiners. There's no crying in rock and roll folks!

You are how the thread got nasty.

[ycartrob]

Doc, I'll make fun of the "fans" who insult the Jacket family.

Sorry, I got no gripes with the band or their PR.

[ycartrob]

maybe to some that's unacceptable whining, but it's the same principle as looking through 70 posts and choosing certain quotes here and there.  

Actually, I looked at the ones before my initial post, about 17.

I am allowed to read posts here twice, aren't I?

[wordawg]

Doc, I'll make fun of the "fans" who insult the Jacket family.

I'm hiding behind the sofa.

Bring It On, baby.

[wordawg]

I am allowed to read posts here twice, aren't I?

Now I don't really want to get involved in this 'exchange' again as it must be the 3rd or 4th time this has happened, however.................................


Of course you are allowed to read posts twice.
It helps if you can read in the first place.
No more clues

[aMillionDreams]

i'm glad some people can still discuss something without getting all nasty. I don't know when the next european or australian tour is gonna take place but like it said in the original statement, they'll do their best to make up for it and i'm sure that hasn't changed. the festival dates that are popping up won't change that either. when there's news about it, it will be posted. until then, be nice.

I wish this post woud have ended this discussion.  I mean all I did was criticize the boy's representation.  I didn't get nasty or call names.  I don't know why that's somehow blasphemy towards the "MMJ family", whoever the hell that is.  I am a fan of the band not of the asshole who manages them or ATO.  

Ycarrot, or whatever your name is, I think you are calling the kettle black by calling me a whining baby when YOU are the one being hyper-sensitive and calling people names.   If you disagree, why can't you just say something like: "I disagree.  I think MMJ's PR team is second only to U2's"  or whatever?

I've already learned my lesson about posting information that is "unofficial" like upcoming dates.  Now it's to the point that I can't say anything negative about anything no matter how indirectly it may pertain to the band.  So from now on I'll keep my posts along these lines, "Isn't mmj the best thing ever to happen to humanity?  I don't dare inquire about upcoming events or albums, I will just wait until they bless me with their presence and kiss their feet when they do.  A-jim".  Would that make you happy, Ycarrot?

[!!]

I am a fan of the band not of the asshole who manages them or ATO.

i don't know who you are, but HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

[ycartrob]

I wish this post woud have ended this discussion.  I mean all I did was criticize the boy's representation.  I didn't get nasty or call names.  I don't know why that's somehow blasphemy towards the "MMJ family", whoever the hell that is.  I am a fan of the band not of the asshole who manages them or ATO.  

Ycarrot, or whatever your name is, I think you are calling the kettle black by calling me a whining baby when YOU are the one being hyper-sensitive and calling people names.   If you disagree, why can't you just say something like: "I disagree.  I think MMJ's PR team is second only to U2's"  or whatever?

I've already learned my lesson about posting information that is "unofficial" like upcoming dates.  Now it's to the point that I can't say anything negative about anything no matter how indirectly it may pertain to the band.  So from now on I'll keep my posts along these lines, "Isn't mmj the best thing ever to happen to humanity?  I don't dare inquire about upcoming events or albums, I will just wait until they bless me with their presence and kiss their feet we they do.  A-jim".  Would that make you happy, Ycarrot?

ycarrot (or whatever your name is)?

I'm just having fun folks. If some of your feelings get hurt by my sarcasm, then I apologize.

Some of you really need to lighten up, you know; it's just music.

amillion, I really wished I cared more so I could engage you with some mind blowing pontification about the history of PR in rock and roll...but I don't.

I think My Morning Jacket has the absolute worst PR folks in music and I am suprised any of us have even heard them or seen them live considering the how their management is a bunch of dumb asses who don't let the fans know anything....

there, I feel better.

thanks for showing me the light amillion....now back to something important, NCAA basketball!

(take ratsprayer for example. ratsprayer can dish it out and ratsprayer can take it. cheers to ratsprayer)

[SMc55]

where did i call anyone any names?  why are you quoting me in all of this?  i was just saying instead of fighting it would be great if everyone did something nice like contribute to danny's thing.  also - i looked at danny's link and if everyone here is busy contributing to him instead of fighting here i don't really see it.  

The second part of my post wasn't directed at you in particular. Sorry if it seemed that it was. At least two people contributing to this have contributed to the charity. I'm just saying that contributing to charity and posting on a website are not mutually exclusive.

[sweatboard]

[ratsprayer]

are you speculating something based on this picture?


 ;D

[sweatboard]

He's not sleeping folks!!!!!!!!!!!!