Kerry-Edwards or Bush-Cheney?

[MMJ_fanatic]

and f the media as far as i am concerned. they have turned it into a complete 3 ring circus. we now only hear what the media wants us to hear.

testify bro'!

[lfish]

The charges of Racism and Fascism are exaggerations, hyperbole, which only make people angry and do not help anything. Clearly Bush isn't Hitler or Mussolini.

I never said this is the case, but I've read it in an interview with a famous journalist (his name slips my mind) who survived the second world war and several other wars like vietnam...  He has seen fascism and mcarthyism from nearby.  I guess, he knows what he's talking about...

But in fact, he's just warning not to believe everything the government or the media is saying.  Be critical, it's your right.

Yesterday, I saw a man, a hard-ass republican, yelling at the people who were holding a demonstration in new york.  He became abusive and called them ratts and accused them of not being real americans.  This was so sad to watch at.  It is this restriction in open-mindness that is dangerous imho.

I completely follow John here: there is enough misery, poverty, war, violence in the world.  All this starts when power is abused and the man in the street does not react or oppose.

Now you have the chance to oppose.
  

[MMJ_fanatic]

The
 Guantanamo is a perfect example.  Holding prisoners without charging them by finding a loophole in the law

 Here is one instance: one of the most publicized and most controversial clauses allows the gov't to search someone's library records.

Everyone in Gitmo is an enemy combatant and is not covered by the US Constitution.  

I don't have a problem with anyone checking my library records although they probably won't because I am not a threat to anyone (except maybe the local rabbits ;)).  It's loke the old cliche--if you're not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about, and personally I would want to know soonere than later if the guy down the street was building a dirty bomb in his basement.  I believe the act was passed pretty evenly along party lines too (I know Kerry voted for it).

[marktwain]

I believe the act was passed pretty evenly along party lines too (I know Kerry voted for it).

Yeah, this is sad and a perfect example of why I don't like either major party.  But I bet it was hard to NOT vote for something called the USA PATRIOT Act after 9/11.

Everyone in Gitmo is labelled as an enemy combatant.  That way we can ignore POW guidelines.  THat does not mean everyone in Gitmo is guilty.

And yes, if you are doing nothing illegal then you don't need to worry about anything.  But reading is still legal.  What if I was a fan of Edward Abbey, author of the Monkeywrench Gang, and advocate of ecoterrorism.  I may not be an ecoterrorist (I'm Not!)  but I should still have the right to read Abbey's books without being afraid of Big Brother knocking on my door.

[MMJ_fanatic]

Yeah, this is sad and a perfect example of why I don't like either major party.  But I bet it was hard to NOT vote for something called the USA PATRIOT Act after 9/11.

Everyone in Gitmo is labelled as an enemy combatant.  That way we can ignore POW guidelines.  THat does not mean everyone in Gitmo is guilty.

And yes, if you are doing nothing illegal then you don't need to worry about anything.  But reading is still legal.  What if I was a fan of Edward Abbey, author of the Monkeywrench Gang, and advocate of ecoterrorism.  I may not be an ecoterrorist (I'm Not!)  but I should still have the right to read Abbey's books without being afraid of Big Brother knocking on my door.

totally agred bro'--both parties raise bile in my throat too!

[DJustin]

Defenantly George W.

[lfish]

Ok once and a while, a laugh can make your day


http://users.pandora.be/luvam/thisland/

[SMc55]

Excellent!  :D

[lfish]

Cheney: U.S. Risks Hit With Wrong Choice

By AMY LORENTZEN
Associated Press Writer




 
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney says the United States will risk another terrorist attack if voters make the wrong choice on Election Day, suggesting Sen. John Kerry would follow a pre-Sept. 11 policy of reacting defensively.

[lfish]

Okay this picture above was supposed to present a lying pinnocio.

What a big lie!  America has not become any safer with four years of Bush, on the contrary.

You don't defeat terrorism by installing a president who only talks with muscles.  You have to take care of the real causes of terrorism: poverty, power abuse, education, diversity, democracy.

True, it's a lot more difficult thing to do and it takes a long long time before any results are visible, but I believe it's the right way.  Isolation won't help. Even if Bush declares war to the whole world, terrorists will still be able to attack every country they want to because he doesn't do anything to take away the roots of terrorism.

[lfish]

I've read Kerry changed his campaign team, AGAIN.

No, I don't live in America, but here in Europe we have the idea that Kerry's communication skills are not so brilliant as W's.

Some America-watchers are afraid Kerry won't make it.

An interesting thing to know is that kerry takes now the same campaignleader as Michael dukakis in 88, namely John Sasso.  Dukakis lost spectacular from Bush senior after a mudcampaign organized by the republicans.  

Firstly I don't think it's a good move to change the team right now.  It proves that the whole campaign is not well prepared. There is no real steady line in it like Bush does have.  Secondly, by changing the leadership of his campaing team and let it led by John sasso is a second mistake.  He failed once with Dukakis.  On such high level, mistakes or not allowed, not in the past, not in the future.  So a steady, successfull man is needed here.

Any opinions on that?

[marktwain]

yeah, we need kucinich.

[havibulin]

Kerry is in trouble. he is slipping in the polls big time. Bush just has a better campaign strategy and always seems to take advantage of Kerry's mistakes...unfortionately.

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

Kerry is in trouble. he is slipping in the polls big time. Bush just has a better campaign strategy and always seems to take advantage of Kerry's mistakes...unfortionately.

Only if we and he let that happen.  The debates will prove otherwise.

[MMJ_fanatic]

yeah, we need kucinich.

yikes!

[lfish]

Any one watched the debates yesterday evening?  Is it likely you're gonna change your vote after seeing it?

Who was the winner or who was the dork?

I just watched to fahrenheit 9/11. Touching and sometimes manipulating, but nevertheless great.

Especially the episode in Iraq, where Us soldiers testify is moving.

[SmoothOprtr]

I watched the debate.  Kerry didn't seem to seperate himself from Bush enough.  Already being an underdog, he can't go in there and say have the same views barring a smidge here or there and expect to win.

[havibulin]

I thought Kerry had an outstanding debate. Bush likewise. Kerry just looked on top of his game. Bush's speaking style really hurts him sometimes.

[CC]

I thought it was funny how they adjusted the camera for bush.
just to make him as tall as kerry.
did you all notice that?

I think kerry handled it better.
everytime bush couldn't think of something to say he just kept repeating the same thing about how kerry keeps switching positions. wise things like 'the only thing that's consistent in his consistency is his inconsistency'.

[lfish]

For the people who want to rewatch the debate:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/specials/interactives/debates/index.html?SITE=KYLOU&SECTION=HOME