Fantasy Football 2008

[corey]

bowl of soup said that he hates the idea of having one defensive player plus another entire defense. Looks like there's a couple of folks opposing that, and I'm good with that, but I don't know what to do about the additional player. If we lose 1 of the W/R slots, does it have to be filled with something else? Aren't you supposed to have a certain number or players?

killies, you mentioned the standard Yahoo format. What does that consist of? I looked at our line-ups from last year and used it as an example for this year, so I have no idea what the standard Yahoo format is.

[Crispy]

You can make one of those flex spots a W/T, so you wouldn't be able to put another RB in there, but you could have another stud TE. There's no minimum number of positions. I'm not much in favor of the extra defensive player either I guess.

[corey]

That kinda makes sense, but if we already have 2 WRs and a 3rd possible WR with the flex spot, does it really make sense to have a W/T. There aren't that many good TEs in the league.  :)

Also, I guess I'm totally scrapping the single defensive player idea. Looks like it's gonna get a majority veto.

[.Walt]

i'm not for a defensive player. but i won't be pissed if it happened. as far as the losing one of the W/R slots...i think with 12 teams free agency will be really thin, and people will be starting players that have no fantasy value. (i'm not for starting the browns third wideout) with 10 teams it worked, with 12 teams i don't see it happening. but i won't be upest either way.

oh, and thanks for moving the time back.

[corey]

K and Capt. Headdy, y'all need to sign up!  :)

So does anyone have an official opinion about the extra slot in terms of losing one of the W/R slots?

[bowl of soup]

As a loser who has played these silly games since 1993 - I'm with Killgies.  The standard 1QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 flex (RB/WR), 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF works best.  I've used it in a 16-team league and there were no shortage of WR's - RB got thin though.

Think about it.  There are 32 NFL teams and in a 12 team league, that will require a minimum of 36 starting WR's (assuming no flex WR's are used) and a maximum of 48 (assuming all flex spots are filled with WR's).  There are 32 #1 WR's and 32 #2 WR's.  That's 64 decent options and many teams have attractive 3 and 4 guys.  There's no shortage.

Even at RB it is not that bad - most teams are 2 back teams at this point and there are about 40 RB's that will post decent fantasy points this year and maybe 10 more sleepers.

[corey]

Good point. I just didn't know what the standard league set-up was because last year was the first time I played and our set-up was the only set-up I've known.

Is everyone cool with that? 3 WRs.... looks like it should work.

[.Walt]

i disagree. i can come up with about 15 teams that don't have a second option maybe even more. and about 10 teams that don't even have a first. i can list them if you want. it's about fantasy value. there will always be players no doubt, but i'm don't want to start a second wideout that isn't any good. just because they are their teams "number one wideout", does mean anything is fantasy sports.

[Crispy]

In some leagues I've played in, kick returns + yards can be pretty valuable and you can fill that flex spot with one of those guys.

[corey]

Anyone else have an opinion? I don't want to rule anything out. If we go with what Walt is saying, wouldn't that extra W/R slot be useful? Instead of having 3 regular WR slots...

I haven't seen Capt headdy on the board in over a week or so. I sent him an email reminder, but haven't gotten a response. K has been on the board but hasn't signed up. What's the hold-up?!?!?!?!  :)

[capt. scotty]

Anyone else have an opinion? I don't want to rule anything out. If we go with what Walt is saying, wouldn't that extra W/R slot be useful? Instead of having 3 regular WR slots...

I haven't seen Capt headdy on the board in over a week or so. I sent him an email reminder, but haven't gotten a response. K has been on the board but hasn't signed up. What's the hold-up?!?!?!?!  :)

Im officially signed up

I agree with Walt that it should be 2 WR, then 1 WR/RB flex. The theory of 62 decent WR options doesnt add up just because they are teams with no even ok options. I dont even know who San Fran's #1 is. Ive always played it this way (2 RB, 2 WR, 1 flex)

As far as the defense thing, just having 1 IDP doesnt make sense to me. I started playing using IDP's a couple years back, while at first I didnt like the idea, I think its more enjoyable than team defense and adds another interesting wrinkle. In the past, each team starts a 1 LB, 1 DB, and theres 1 DL/LB flex. If the majority want to do team defense though, thats fine with me.

The scoring works for me mostly. Id change QB yardage value from 30 to 25, but no biggie. Also, I usually play with fractional points (your WR gets 88 yards, he gets 8.8pts instead of 8...trust me, they can be the difference between a win and a loss). Ive usually done 3 pt bonuses for 100 yards rushing or receiving&300 yards passing

Let me know yinz guys thoughts

[corey]

So now we just need K to sign up. Word.

I'll look into the fractional points... and I like the idea of bonus points for players with standout games.

[ycartrob]

[capt. scotty]

I see the football and I see the hockey mask

field hockey all of a sudden makes sense! brilliant!

[red]

I'm here!  Was away since Thursday and am now trying to recover my Yahoo email and password...

[corey]

Awwwwwww, hell! Looks like we're all set!

[bowl of soup]

I don't really care that much and I don't want this to dissolve into a little girl slap-fight (that's what my money-league is for), but every team has options at WR.  San Fran you ask?  They are actually a very interesting team this year.  Mike Martz is the new O-coordinator, they signed Issac Bruce and Bryant Johnson, and Arnaz Battle is back.  I'd take any of the 3 as my third WR this year.

Having a larger roster rewards good drafting; having a smaller roster rewards people who can hang around the internet all day and scoop up waver-wire guys.  Just my 2 cents.

[capt. scotty]

I don't really care that much and I don't want this to dissolve into a little girl slap-fight (that's what my money-league is for), but every team has options at WR.  San Fran you ask?  They are actually a very interesting team this year.  Mike Martz is the new O-coordinator, they signed Issac Bruce and Bryant Johnson, and Arnaz Battle is back.  I'd take any of the 3 as my third WR this year.

Having a larger roster rewards good drafting; having a smaller roster rewards people who can hang around the internet all day and scoop up waver-wire guys.  Just my 2 cents.

I totally agree with you on the being rewarded for a great draft statement. I always try to make my leagues deeper on the bench so I can stash somebody who either hits it big or makes me look like a 'tard - to a somewhat lesser degree on depth, see Mark Clayton last year for me..but also see All Day Peterson multiple times  ;)

However, if youre comfy with Bryant or Battle, and Id almost even raise you Bruce with how pathetic Alex Smith is, then I say put your keyboard where your mouth is and draft them as your WR3. I think Bruce is barely sniffing Top 50 right now, and youre putting all their WR's on that block? Now Ive never played with none of yinz guys, so Ill save the cheap shots for the draft and season, but youre reachin there my man! Ive slacked this year compared to all prior in my research, but Ill hold that statement.

Actually, in my rule idea post I forgot to post add another bench spot or 2 to add those stash spots, but I forgot to. I like your thoughts on that as Im usually not someone sitting there trying to pick someone up at 5:38am monday morning. Either way, I think starting 3 or potentially 4 WRs a week is somewhat excessive.

[bowl of soup]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not drafting those fine gentlmen with my first pick.  But I'd be happy to get one late and would be willing to wager that 2 of the 3 have nice fantasy seasons.  Smith probably won't be starting; it looks like O'Sullivan may beat him and Hill out.

[corey]

Hey y'all,
I'm leaving town on Thursday morning and won't be home until Sunday afternoon or early evening. Can someone take a vote on how the official line-ups should go? I'll check in Sunday and make the appropriate changes. Voting ends then. :)
I'll be on the interwebs very little if at all between now and then, so it'd be awesome if someone else would take charge of the voting process. Thanks.