The Walking Dead Thread (Spoilers Ahead)

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

what would you have done choder?  do you think the people he's rolling with are greater or less than 30people?  very huge factor to where the story goes from here.  can't believe they let ben linus escape AGAIN.

[johnnYYac]

Tonight's ending caught me off guard.  I've been waiting to see Carl kill someone by shooting them in the neck, not by giving a walker the motivation to free itself and kill someone else.  Now we've got a guilty Carl, the gun's in the woods, and Dale will achieve his goal... in death.

My guess is the kid, who clearly escapes in the 2nd to last episode, is from the community led by The Governor.  Wonder if Michonne will show up next week or for the finale.  I hope, when she does, she's sporting the two jawless walkers on chain leashes.  Some things from the comic need to remain.

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

yeah randall's gotta be from woodbury.   

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

the dude from anthrax stole my ben linus joke.  wtf?

[el_chode]

what would you have done choder?  do you think the people he's rolling with are greater or less than 30people?  very huge factor to where the story goes from here.  can't believe they let ben linus escape AGAIN.

This might be a very lawyerly type answer, but I agree 100% with Dale. In fact, the whole time I'm telling Rick, "dude, you need some due process. there's no judge/jury, true, but that doesn't mean you can't make one".

Here's my take - any zombie story is essentially a discussion on what it means to be human. It's a different take than you see on Battlestar or in a movie like Blade Runner. But at some point survival comes down to something more than dead or alive or undead - it's what kind of survival you have. To just summarily kill that kid would make Carl's reality the only reality - a kill or be killed world. Rick doesn't want that for Carl and Rick (and Dale) believe there's something more to being human than just a mindless existence where all you do is react to survive. As Rick said, "you need to think more".

To tie in Battlestar and the War on Terror - at what point does your freedom/life mean anything if you're not willing to stand up for what you believe in? True, Rick and the gang aren't going around raping teenagers, but if they're all holding out for hope of a better future, the last thing they want to do is execute that hope, even if the hope might come back and shoot them dead in the end.

At a certain level, the zombies, the other gang, and the cylon threat become indistinguishable on more than one level.

My wife says they should have strung him up, and we both agree they should have left him for dead at the beginning.

[el_chode]

Tonight's ending caught me off guard.  I've been waiting to see Carl kill someone by shooting them in the neck, not by giving a walker the motivation to free itself and kill someone else.  Now we've got a guilty Carl, the gun's in the woods, and Dale will achieve his goal... in death.

My guess is the kid, who clearly escapes in the 2nd to last episode, is from the community led by The Governor.  Wonder if Michonne will show up next week or for the finale.  I hope, when she does, she's sporting the two jawless walkers on chain leashes.  Some things from the comic need to remain.

I read that Dale walked off set in response to the original director getting the boot, so that's why that happened.

Also, in response to the Ben Linus angle, this is starting to represent the LOST dynamic now isn't it? You have a group of survivors isolated and exposed against a mysterious group supposedly out numbering and out-gunning you. There's a supernatural threat to both groups that no one is immune to. What do you do?

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

I've been thinking weird shit ever since dale died.  his death in the comic, and the events that led up to it was so bitchin.   he lost a fucking leg in the comic, then way later he gets bit by a walker and wanders into the forest at night to die but gets kidnapped by hunters/cannibals.  he wakes up to them eating his leg.  then he's all "TAinted MEAT baHAHA TAINTED MEAT!" like a psycho.  it's awesome.  hope the hunters show up at some point. 

that said randall did know the entire greene family, not just maggie.  he said he knew hershel too because of church and shit.  the second Randall saw hershel they became at risk.  for all we know those philly boys could have followed rick/glenn/hershel back to the farm and are staking it out.  maybe that preview is misleading and randall didn't escape but was secretly rescued by his people? 

30+people with weapons is and rape capabilities is nothing to fuck within in zombie world.  it's hardcore and sad but they need to put the fucker down.  they should have killed him at mert county.

[johnnYYac]

Maybe, since Dale's gone early, the cannibal hunters can eat Shane's zombinfested leg.  He's been kept alive past his due date. 

I found it odd, unless I missed it, that none of the Greene family has stated they recognize or know Randall, even though he said he knew them.  Seems like they could vouch for his character, but instead they remain mum, making me think he gave them a reason to not trust him before the shit hit the fan.

On another note, here's a video of the host of Talking Dead in full zombie make up courtesy of Greg Nicotero, who also directed last night's episode.

Zombie Chris Hardwick Welcomes You to the Nerdist Channel

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

for sure yac, Rick should have blown away Randall at Mert County and left Shane in the Bus.  fuck those bitches.

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

nicotero is kind of a bad ass.

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

oh t-dogg:


Token Black T-Dog part 2

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

fuck yes. that's what I'm talking about.  killing off two major characters two episodes in a row.  bam bitches.  discuss.

[johnnYYac]

fuck yes. that's what I'm talking about.  killing off two major characters two episodes in a row.  bam bitches.  discuss.

A cool way to  achieve multiple results.  Carl just got pubes; so did Rick.  Lori is a bitch.  Glen can resume getting laid.  I think the farm is the prison from the comic.  We may see Michonne here or a hint at The Governor.  They also are about to face a huge and aggressive herd.  It's gonna get messy!  Will we lose one or two more main characters? Could be severe.

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

I love how kirkman reversed what happend in the comic.  in the show rick kills living shane/carl kills dead shane in the comic it's the reverse carl kills living shane/rick kills dead shane.  love that kirkman is that aware of how to tweak little things to make it new for even the comic book fans.  it changes it but not enough to say it changes the mood or anything.  maybe it does.  who knows I'm drunk. 

the dude I know who works on the show says there will be a prison.  michonne is confirmed for season three and governor is already cast.  dude said he's just now slowly getting information about locations and what will go down.  he says its going to be fucking insane.  I believe it.  they'll have a way bigger budget next season.  they rake in more viewers than mad men or breaking bad.  it's nuts.  they're set for atleast 5 or 6seasons.

[johnnYYac]

I was really surprised Rick didn't stab or shoot Shane in the head.  No surprise when Shane got up again; I assumed that was what Rick was waiting for.  Guess not. 

Its seems they're finding new ways to allow some of the same plot dynamics to occur in differenct ways.  Carl needed to shoot someone soon to cross over, Rick needed to grow a pair, too. 

I'm wondering if they'll end up abandoning the farm at the end of next week's episode, and come upon the prison.  A perfect way to end the season, with a version of this from the comic:

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

yeah that would be awesome if they find the prison by the end.  always pictured them busting in on dexter/axel/etc and then it cutting them being all "wtf?" and then cutting to black or something. 


it's crazy how many people are having trouble grasping what went down with shane and randall and why they turned.  the comic has made me an obsessive elitist dork.

[peafunk31]

yeah that would be awesome if they find the prison by the end.  always pictured them busting in on dexter/axel/etc and then it cutting them being all "wtf?" and then cutting to black or something. 


it's crazy how many people are having trouble grasping what went down with shane and randall and why they turned.  the comic has made me an obsessive elitist dork.

I'm glad you brought this up. I'm not 100% sure what to make of them turning either. I definitely didn't see them get bitten. Here are the 2 ideas I've been kicking around:

1) When Shane was on the bus he stabbed a walker in the head. Right after that he cuts his finger & smears it on the doorway. It's possible that Shane infected himself when he cuts his finger with the contaminated knife. I'm guessing the transformation was slower due to lack of infected saliva. In as far as Randall, his wrists had open wounds & Shane grabbed his wrists thus tranferring the infection due to Shane's open wound on his finger. Again, they didn't turn until they died due to a lack of saliva infection.

2) When the group was at the CDC in Atlanta, the head CDC dude whispered something in Rick's ear. i originally thought it was about Lori's pregnancy. I'm starting to think the CDC guy said that the virus is airborne. It doesn't instantly turn you. Only after you die does the virus turn you. So basically everyone is screwed. Perhaps the name of the show doesn't mean the walkers. Maybe it's about everyone being "The Walking Dead" due to the virus being aiborne & inescapable.

I haven't read the comics nor do I visit any of the message boards. I'm going with a more organic experience with this show as I like it better that way. Am I on to something? No spoilers please!  :)

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

#2 is correct.  the show is pretty much unpredictable at this point compared to the comic.

1.) Shane snaps Randalls neck.
2.) Daryl and Glenn find zombie Randall, Daryl confirms the the snap to the neck is what killed randall, not a bite or scratch.
3.) Shane was stabbed in the heart, thus leaving his brain intact like Randall. 

so new basic rules:

if you die naturally = you turn
if you get bit          = you turn
if you get your brains blown out before you die = you just die

at the CDC jenner does those blood tests in the beginning pretty sure jenner was testing to see if anybody wasn't infected.  all his premium pure flesh got fried in the lab or whatever.  his only hope for finding a cure was one of them not being infected and they all were.  as far as we know.  that's what I'm thinking at least.  they explain it way more in the show than the comic.  mini-comic-spoiler-sort-of: in the comic some random bitch kills herself and comes back and that's all that's ever really said about it.

[peafunk31]

Ahhh, I see now. Thanks, Sticky! I like scenerio #2 way better. That kicks the hopelessness factor up to 11. Basically everyone is fucked no matter what.

side question: If I remember correctly, one of the dudes in the bar that Rick shot was not hit in the head (the bigger dude). I suppose that means that guy is now a walker as well. I doubt it'll matter since I don't think they'll be going back to that bar but it is a loose end.

[johnnYYac]

Ahhh, I see now. Thanks, Sticky! I like scenerio #2 way better. That kicks the hopelessness factor up to 11. Basically everyone is fucked no matter what.

side question: If I remember correctly, one of the dudes in the bar that Rick shot was not hit in the head (the bigger dude). I suppose that means that guy is now a walker as well. I doubt it'll matter since I don't think they'll be going back to that bar but it is a loose end.

The guys in the bar were both shot in the head, at least that's implied by the fact that Rick goes over to where the larger dude is down and plugs him again... I'm assuming in the noggin.

From the comic, the show, and the Rise of the Governor novel, its pretty clear the pathogen causing one to turn into a walker is airborne.  It seems that anyone will turn when they die, regardless of the cause.  I bite from a walker, however, appears to be lethal.

On that, however, I'm a little uncertain.  Most walker attacks are lethal 'cause they tear you apart pretty good.  However, in Season 1, one of the group gets bitten and asks to be left on the side of the road, presumably to die and turn.  He was showing signs of illness and likely died, but we don't know for sure.

In the comic, someone bitten gets that limb amputated and appears to survive, at least for a while.  So, perhaps, not all bites are lethal...