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vespachick

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woodnymph

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Sticky Icky Green Stuff

sweet time travel...
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110315163330.htm

Large Hadron Collider Could Be World's First Time Machine, Researchers' Theory Suggests

ScienceDaily (Mar. 16, 2011) — If the latest theory of Tom Weiler and Chui Man Ho is right, the Large Hadron Collider -- the world's largest atom smasher that started regular operation last year -- could be the first machine capable of causing matter to travel backwards in time.

"Our theory is a long shot," admitted Weiler, who is a physics professor at Vanderbilt University, "but it doesn't violate any laws of physics or experimental constraints."

One of the major goals of the collider is to find the elusive Higgs boson: the particle that physicists invoke to explain why particles like protons, neutrons and electrons have mass. If the collider succeeds in producing the Higgs boson, some scientists predict that it will create a second particle, called the Higgs singlet, at the same time.

According to Weiler and Ho's theory, these singlets should have the ability to jump into an extra, fifth dimension where they can move either forward or backward in time and reappear in the future or past.

"One of the attractive things about this approach to time travel is that it avoids all the big paradoxes," Weiler said. "Because time travel is limited to these special particles, it is not possible for a man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents before he himself is born, for example. However, if scientists could control the production of Higgs singlets, they might be able to send messages to the past or future."

Unsticking the "brane"

The test of the researchers' theory will be whether the physicists monitoring the collider begin seeing Higgs singlet particles and their decay products spontaneously appearing. If they do, Weiler and Ho believe that they will have been produced by particles that travel back in time to appear before the collisions that produced them.

Weiler and Ho's theory is based on M-theory, a "theory of everything." A small cadre of theoretical physicists have developed M-theory to the point that it can accommodate the properties of all the known subatomic particles and forces, including gravity, but it requires 10 or 11 dimensions instead of our familiar four. This has led to the suggestion that our universe may be like a four-dimensional membrane or "brane" floating in a multi-dimensional space-time called the "bulk."

According to this view, the basic building blocks of our universe are permanently stuck to the brane and so cannot travel in other dimensions. There are some exceptions, however. Some argue that gravity, for example, is weaker than other fundamental forces because it diffuses into other dimensions. Another possible exception is the proposed Higgs singlet, which responds to gravity but not to any of the other basic forces.

Answers in neutrinos?

Weiler began looking at time travel six years ago to explain anomalies that had been observed in several experiments with neutrinos. Neutrinos are nicknamed ghost particles because they react so rarely with ordinary matter: Trillions of neutrinos hit our bodies every second, yet we don't notice them because they zip through without affecting us.

Weiler and colleagues Heinrich Päs and Sandip Pakvasa at the University of Hawaii came up with an explanation of the anomalies based on the existence of a hypothetical particle called the sterile neutrino. In theory, sterile neutrinos are even less detectable than regular neutrinos because they interact only with gravitational force. As a result, sterile neutrinos are another particle that is not attached to the brane and so should be capable of traveling through extra dimensions.

Weiler, Päs and Pakvasa proposed that sterile neutrinos travel faster than light by taking shortcuts through extra dimensions. According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, there are certain conditions where traveling faster than the speed of light is equivalent to traveling backward in time. This led the physicists into the speculative realm of time travel.

Ideas impact science fiction

In 2007, the researchers, along with Vanderbilt graduate fellow James Dent, posted a paper titled "Neutrino time travel" that generated a considerable amount of buzz.

Their ideas found their way into two science fiction novels. Final Theory by Mark Alpert, which was described in the New York Times as a "physics-based version of The Da Vinci Code," is based on the researchers' idea of neutrinos taking shortcuts in extra dimensions. Joe Haldeman's novel The Accidental Time Machine is about a time-traveling MIT graduate student and includes an author's note that describes the novel's relationship to the type of time travel described by Dent, Päs, Pakvasa and Weiler.

Ho is a graduate fellow working with Weiler. Their theory is described in a paper posted March 7 on the research website arXiv.org.

woodnymph

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darkglow

Quote from: woodnymph on Mar 29, 2011, 03:46 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110329/ts_yblog_thelookout/for-12-year-old-astrophysics-prodigy-the-skys-the-limit

A 12 year old discusses some......ideaaass....

unreal.. someday we'll be able to reproduce the effects of aspergers syndrome in a lab and we'll be able to unlock the true potential of the human body and mind..

woodnymph

Quote from: darkglow on Mar 29, 2011, 04:34 PM
Quote from: woodnymph on Mar 29, 2011, 03:46 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110329/ts_yblog_thelookout/for-12-year-old-astrophysics-prodigy-the-skys-the-limit

A 12 year old discusses some......ideaaass....

unreal.. someday we'll be able to reproduce the effects of aspergers syndrome in a lab and we'll be able to unlock the true potential of the human body and mind..
Hahah for sure, can't wait  ;D  Sign me up for the supra-cognitive functioning, I think I've already got several other traits  :P

The way that kid talks is just wild.... so fast... so matter-of-factly
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darkglow

Quote from: woodnymph on Mar 29, 2011, 05:22 PM
Quote from: darkglow on Mar 29, 2011, 04:34 PM
Quote from: woodnymph on Mar 29, 2011, 03:46 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110329/ts_yblog_thelookout/for-12-year-old-astrophysics-prodigy-the-skys-the-limit

A 12 year old discusses some......ideaaass....

unreal.. someday we'll be able to reproduce the effects of aspergers syndrome in a lab and we'll be able to unlock the true potential of the human body and mind..
Hahah for sure, can't wait  ;D  Sign me up for the supra-cognitive functioning, I think I've already got several other traits  :P

The way that kid talks is just wild.... so fast... so matter-of-factly

i was drunk when i saw the youtube vid about this guy for the first time this past weekend..

the first thought in my mind was "it's an extraterrestrial being in a human body.. i mean.. he tells his parents he does not "feel right" in the body he's in...

ah well.. if it is i hope he can help us out, eh?

woodnymph

Quote from: darkglow on Mar 29, 2011, 07:21 PM
Quote from: woodnymph on Mar 29, 2011, 05:22 PM
Quote from: darkglow on Mar 29, 2011, 04:34 PM
Quote from: woodnymph on Mar 29, 2011, 03:46 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110329/ts_yblog_thelookout/for-12-year-old-astrophysics-prodigy-the-skys-the-limit

A 12 year old discusses some......ideaaass....

unreal.. someday we'll be able to reproduce the effects of aspergers syndrome in a lab and we'll be able to unlock the true potential of the human body and mind..
Hahah for sure, can't wait  ;D  Sign me up for the supra-cognitive functioning, I think I've already got several other traits  :P

The way that kid talks is just wild.... so fast... so matter-of-factly

i was drunk when i saw the youtube vid about this guy for the first time this past weekend..

the first thought in my mind was "it's an extraterrestrial being in a human body.. i mean.. he tells his parents he does not "feel right" in the body he's in...

ah well.. if it is i hope he can help us out, eh?
Shit, for sure!!  The metaphysics of his abilities boggles the crap outta me... let alone the abilities themselves... but in someone so young... that just sends my brain out into la-la land, and I start pondering reincarnation, extraterrestrial concepts... dna... *essploohhhdd* 

Hope to hear more about him in days to come......
Daylight is good at arriving in the night time

woodnymph

Daylight is good at arriving in the night time

woodnymph

My girl Kara sent this at me today, just thought I'd throw it in the cosmic soup here

How Your Mind Co-creates Reality Holographically
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EasyRyder

Quote from: woodnymph on Jun 07, 2011, 10:20 PM
My girl Kara sent this at me today, just thought I'd throw it in the cosmic soup here

How Your Mind Co-creates Reality Holographically

:o :o :o
this is either the most unsettling, incredible thing ive ever heard about human consciousness, or the most selfishly human theory ever devised.....whoa. So is this where "bad vibes" or "good vibes" originate from? Is it your own respective consciousness encountering another reality-creating consciousness?? This makes me want to stop watching the news  :-\

This also reminds me of an interview I listened to, where Owsley Stanley (aka Bear, the early sound guy and LSD guru of the Grateful Dead) described some experiments he conducted on people taking DMT while measuring sound levels of live music.

He noticed that when a room full of people smoked DMT while watching a band play live, the loudness of the instruments increased significantly and independently of the musicians themselves. He even said that when only one person smoked DMT, the loudness of the music increased. He claimed that the heightened consciousness of people even melted the equipment after a while.

Thanks for blowing my mind!
"As citizens of eternity we ought to be without anxiety."

woodnymph

Quote from: EasyRyder on Jun 07, 2011, 10:49 PM
Quote from: woodnymph on Jun 07, 2011, 10:20 PM
My girl Kara sent this at me today, just thought I'd throw it in the cosmic soup here

How Your Mind Co-creates Reality Holographically

:o :o :o
this is either the most unsettling, incredible thing ive ever heard about human consciousness, or the most selfishly human theory ever devised.....whoa. So is this where "bad vibes" or "good vibes" originate from? Is it your own respective consciousness encountering another reality-creating consciousness?? This makes me want to stop watching the news  :-\

This also reminds me of an interview I listened to, where Owsley Stanley (aka Bear, the early sound guy and LSD guru of the Grateful Dead) described some experiments he conducted on people taking DMT while measuring sound levels of live music.

He noticed that when a room full of people smoked DMT while watching a band play live, the loudness of the instruments increased significantly and independently of the musicians themselves. He even said that when only one person smoked DMT, the loudness of the music increased. He claimed that the heightened consciousness of people even melted the equipment after a while.

Thanks for blowing my mind!

Whoa dudeski that's an AWESOME study!  Owsley is the man. (Or was the man... or still is the man, depending on how you might look at it....) Equipment(/face) melting are very real experiences!  I thought the same thought about the human element in the video, but it all rolled together into the other material and I can't seem to grasp a position on where I stand hahahah, I feel like a wave of particles and incapable of judging...much.... hahahahah

But I'm glad you enjoyed it!  It's a bit all over the place maybe, but there's more parts I feel resonance with than there are parts I don't... It just gets my neurons in a bunch!  :P

Oh, about the news!.... I can't suggest what's better or worse for other people, but I often feel it's a lot of hullabaloo and that if we'd just shut things off for a bit we'd gain our intuitions back a great deal and would focus more on just sending off positive vibes to the external world.... I mean, the news is news, and some of it is interesting, like that crazy Chilean volcano smoke-cloud-lightening-storm incident.  But otherwise, we know the world is troubled. We know people suffer. 9 and possibly 10 times out of 10 that we watch the news, we can't and/or don't actually DO much to change the problems, for many extremely variable reasons. So watching such troubles may or may not be deemed, well, helpful? If that makes sense? I think it could be helpful, that is, has the potential to be helpful, if, by watching it, we had intentional focus groups of people who would pray or send their higher energies to the victims in the incidents we always see.  (Or just did that ourselves, even!)  And I can't speak for everyone, but I know I'd thoroughly enjoy sitting back and witnessing a one-week period of time when NOBODY watched the news and/or the news wasn't aired. It didn't used to be so accessible you know!

Well I'd go on for ages if I don't end it somewhere, but anywho, glad you enjoyed the vid!!  My circuits are off the charts right now, and I ought to be winding down for bed  :P

"Circuits... connect the Earth to the Moon... and link our heavenly bodies... not a moment too soon....."
Daylight is good at arriving in the night time

el_chode

Pause:



The first and likely last image ever of a shuttle docked to the ISS
I'm surrounded by assholes

woodnymph

Hahah niiiiccee

That's sweet shot!
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Sticky Icky Green Stuff

Quote from: el_chode on Jun 07, 2011, 11:31 PM
Pause:



The first and likely last image ever of a shuttle docked to the ISS

::experiences weightlessness::

Shug

Some of my favorite books and films on trippy consciousness/philosophy/spirituality/how do-we-know-what-we-know topics:

Ken Wilber - A Brief History of Everything
                  - The Marriage of Sense and Soul: Integrating Science and Religion

Terrence McKenna - Food of the Gods
                              - The Archaic Revival

Daniel Pinchbeck - 2012 The Return of Quetzalcoatl

Robert Pirsig - Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Carlos Casteneda - The Eagles Gift, The Fire From Within and others

Films:
Mindwalk
My Dinner With Andre
I Heart Huckabees


Its hard to summarize what these books and films are all about.  Wilber is more of a philosopher-scientist-Buddhist intellectual and Pirsig is in that realm, too.  McKenna and Pinchbeck and Castaneda are definitely focused on hallucinogens and consciousness.  Mindwalk and My Dinner With Andre are nerdy, all-dialogue, no-plot kind of films and I Heart Huckabess is a philosophical farce.  All of these works are controversial and have been criticized, but they are definitely intriguing if you are into that sort of thinking. 

I particularly like Wilber's way of synthesizing knowledge from so many sources from ancient to modern, Eastern and Western, and religious, philosophical and scientific perspectives.  Its pretty impressive to me and seems to put lots of the pieces of the puzzle together, showing how we can approach more complete answers to the "big questions" if we try to put together knowledge from all these diverse sources.

If you are into hallucinogens, McKenna's work is fanfuckingtastic and very entertaining. It will really blow your mind, highly recommended!

Lots to dig into in this thread, thanks to all for sharing, there is much I haven't checked out yet that looks pretty cool.
"Some like their water shallow, I like mine deep"