Baseball Thread...

Ruckus · May 07, 2009, 09:47 PM

QuoteI'm to the point I think they should just let the guys take them. It's only cheating if it's against the rules.

BH, you're delusional if you think Pooholes is completely clean. People don't get that ripped naturally. Name one person in any sport who has biceps that ripped and isn't on the juice.

The Ortez thing drives me crazy. All the analysts are like "He's lost his bat speed and power all of a sudden, I don't know WHAT it could be!"

Agreed on all points here.

With the money these guys make, you're telling me their isn't a lab in China where some MLB money is funneled to continue staying ahead of the MLB testing curve. It costs an enormous amount of resources to not only test but to stay on top of newer and newer synthetics that are not detectable or are not on the list of banned substances.

Big Papi is hilarious and the announcers are a joke. Everyone knows why but can't say it. ;D

Leontheslut · May 07, 2009, 10:13 PM

Another cheater down. I really HOPE Albert Pujols gets caught next.
Baseball analysts cannot suck his dick enough.

Vadie Stark · May 07, 2009, 10:49 PM

Vadie Stark · May 07, 2009, 11:34 PM

Quote
QuoteI'm to the point I think they should just let the guys take them. It's only cheating if it's against the rules.

BH, you're delusional if you think Pooholes is completely clean. People don't get that ripped naturally. Name one person in any sport who has biceps that ripped and isn't on the juice.

The Ortez thing drives me crazy. All the analysts are like "He's lost his bat speed and power all of a sudden, I don't know WHAT it could be!"

Agreed on all points here.

With the money these guys make, you're telling me their isn't a lab in China where some MLB money is funneled to continue staying ahead of the MLB testing curve. It costs an enormous amount of resources to not only test but to stay on top of newer and newer synthetics that are not detectable or are not on the list of banned substances.

Big Papi is hilarious and the announcers are a joke. Everyone knows why but can't say it. ;D

BH · May 08, 2009, 12:33 PM

Your telling me you can find a pattern in here somewhere?

Year R H 2B    HR   RBI BB   K    AVG OBP Slug OPS
2001 112    194    47    37    130    69    93    .329    .403    .610    1.013
2002 118    185    40    34    127    72    69    .314    .394    .561    .955
2003 137    212    51    43    124    79    65    .359    .439    .667    1.106
2004 133    196    51    46    123    84    52    .331    .415    .657    1.072
2005 129    195    38    41    117    97    65    .330    .430    .609    1.039
2006 119    177    33    49    137    92    50    .331    .431    .671    1.102
2007 99    185    38    32    103    99    58    .327    .429    .568    .997
2008 100    187    44    37    116    104    54    .357    .462    .653    1.115

BH · May 08, 2009, 12:39 PM

"It was that way when he was 18 and he played high school baseball in Independence, Mo., Harry Truman's hometown. Opposing coaches walked Pujols 55 of the 88 times he came to the plate that year. They walked him out of respect, of course, but they also walked him in protest. They did not believe their pitchers should have to throw to a grown man. Albert hit eight homers in the 33 at bats he was given; one of those crashed off a second-story air conditioner some 450 feet from home plate. That did not dissuade anyone from believing Pujols was older than 18."

"He went to Maple Woods Community College in Kansas City, Mo., and in his first game he homered and made an unassisted triple play at shortstop, then his regular position. After a breathtaking 1999 season there (.461 with 22 homers), he did not get drafted until the 13th round by the St. Louis Cardinals that June."

Sounds like he was hitting bombs right out of the womb. Maybe his Mom put steroids in his formula bottle.

capt. scotty · May 08, 2009, 12:52 PM

QuoteYour telling me you can find a pattern in here somewhere?

Year R H 2B    HR   RBI BB   K    AVG OBP Slug OPS
2001 112    194    47    37    130    69    93    .329    .403    .610    1.013
2002 118    185    40    34    127    72    69    .314    .394    .561    .955
2003 137    212    51    43    124    79    65    .359    .439    .667    1.106
2004 133    196    51    46    123    84    52    .331    .415    .657    1.072
2005 129    195    38    41    117    97    65    .330    .430    .609    1.039
2006 119    177    33    49    137    92    50    .331    .431    .671    1.102
2007 99    185    38    32    103    99    58    .327    .429    .568    .997
2008 100    187    44    37    116    104    54    .357    .462    .653    1.115

The pattern I find is he has the highest slugging percentage for a right hand batter with at least 5,000 AB's in the history of major league baseball. Ever.

He's taking some freshly squeezed

BH · May 08, 2009, 12:59 PM

Almost identical to righty Jimmie Fox, who probably wasn't on steriods since he played in the 30s and 40s. Why could it not be possible for someone to do it again?

MickeyReds · May 08, 2009, 01:19 PM

roid rage

Vadie Stark · May 08, 2009, 01:41 PM

No.

ROID RAGE :D or just hit in the leg with pitch.

Vadie Stark · May 08, 2009, 01:46 PM

BH · May 08, 2009, 03:15 PM

Reds analyst Jeff Brantley, the former big-league reliever during yesterday's Reds-Brewers contest....

"When so much is focused in sports this day and age and the illegitimacy of records, and the negativity of all things that are going on, Albert Pujols is one man that stands above the rest. Not only as a player, but also as a humanitarian, and probably more importantly than anything else, as a supportive father of his children and his wife."

aMillionDreams · May 08, 2009, 03:32 PM

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QuoteYour telling me you can find a pattern in here somewhere?

Year R H 2B    HR   RBI BB   K    AVG OBP Slug OPS
2001 112    194    47    37    130    69    93    .329    .403    .610    1.013
2002 118    185    40    34    127    72    69    .314    .394    .561    .955
2003 137    212    51    43    124    79    65    .359    .439    .667    1.106
2004 133    196    51    46    123    84    52    .331    .415    .657    1.072
2005 129    195    38    41    117    97    65    .330    .430    .609    1.039
2006 119    177    33    49    137    92    50    .331    .431    .671    1.102
2007 99    185    38    32    103    99    58    .327    .429    .568    .997
2008 100    187    44    37    116    104    54    .357    .462    .653    1.115

The pattern I find is he has the highest slugging percentage for a right hand batter with at least 5,000 AB's in the history of major league baseball. Ever.

He's taking some freshly squeezed

AVG number of HRs in steroids era (including his rookie year): 41.6
AVG number after testing was introduced: 35.5

It's not a glaring difference like big papi, but it's also not too easy to explain away. He hit the most HRs in his career 49 the last year without testing. The first year with testing he hit a career low 32. Am I to believe that he hit his prime as a 26 year old and the advent of testing in the same year is just a coincidence? Most people hit more HRs as a 27 old year old defending MVP then as a 19 year old rookie. I listen to Jeff Brantley almost everyday, and that comment is just another example of media types who have stuck their head in the sand and learned to talk out their asses.

BH · May 08, 2009, 03:54 PM

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QuoteYour telling me you can find a pattern in here somewhere?

The pattern I find is he has the highest slugging percentage for a right hand batter with at least 5,000 AB's in the history of major league baseball. Ever.

He's taking some freshly squeezed

AVG number of HRs in steroids era (including his rookie year): 41.6
AVG number after testing was introduced: 35.5

It's not a glaring difference like big papi, but it's also not too easy to explain away. He hit the most HRs in his career 49 the last year without testing. The first year with testing he hit a career low 32. Am I to believe that he hit his prime as a 26 year old and the advent of testing in the same year is just a coincidence? Most people hit more HRs as a 27 old year old defending MVP then as a 19 year old rookie. I listen to Jeff Brantley almost everyday, and that comment is just another example of media types who have stuck their head in the sand and learned to talk out their butts.

2007 is the only year on that entire list that you can say was any different. He still had a 653 slugging in 2008. And in 2007 it is widely known that Pujols had a elbow injury that he played with thru the entire season. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080216&content_id=2376083&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

Right now he's on pace for 63 home runs so I expect him to finish right around the 40 HR mark like he has every other year of his career except for 2007.

aMillionDreams · May 08, 2009, 04:30 PM

Fair enough. I'd like to believe he's clean, I just can't. I used to think Bonds was clean despite all the circumstantial evidence, too. Anyway, I hope we don't find out for sure this season, I have him in my two favorite fantasy leagues.

BH · May 08, 2009, 04:46 PM

QuoteFair enough. I'd like to believe he's clean, I just can't. I used to think Bonds was clean despite all the circumstantial evidence, too. Anyway, I hope we don't find out for sure this season, I have him in my two favorite fantasy leagues.

;D I certainly understand why you would be skeptical. Nobody has given you any reason not to be that's for sure.

capt. scotty · May 08, 2009, 06:04 PM

He did miss 14 games last year though. I would think he wouldve had over 40 HR's if not for that.

Ruckus · May 09, 2009, 01:39 AM

QuoteAlmost identical to righty Jimmie Fox, who probably wasn't on steriods since he played in the 30s and 40s. Why could it not be possible for someone to do it again?

Because it isn't. Do we have to go over why Jimmie Fox didn't face the pitching that is on the mound these days. Ohhh, I don't know, Negro Leagues, Latin Americans, Asians, population growth.... ::)

Ruckus · May 09, 2009, 01:40 AM

QuoteReds analyst Jeff Brantley, the former big-league reliever during yesterday's Reds-Brewers contest....

"When so much is focused in sports this day and age and the illegitimacy of records, and the negativity of all things that are going on, Albert Pujols is one man that stands above the rest. Not only as a player, but also as a humanitarian, and probably more importantly than anything else, as a supportive father of his children and his wife."

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You just quoted JEFF BRANTLEY

.Walt · May 09, 2009, 02:13 AM

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QuoteReds analyst Jeff Brantley, the former big-league reliever during yesterday's Reds-Brewers contest....

"When so much is focused in sports this day and age and the illegitimacy of records, and the negativity of all things that are going on, Albert Pujols is one man that stands above the rest. Not only as a player, but also as a humanitarian, and probably more importantly than anything else, as a supportive father of his children and his wife."

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You just quoted JEFF BRANTLEY

See, all that's in the Sports Illustrated article. I read it, and believed him. Now, I think I got fooled. Today, no one EVER can say that they're 100% sure anyone's clean. I've never understood why the records before integration are even kept. Come on, that's a flat out joke.