Concept Album

[Dillsnufus]

I know that eu might be considered one but I think this band has such a great sound that they could make the next"the wall" and should in their career make a rock opera or something to that sort and jim  has the vulnerability to his voice that could make it great .

[j_rud]

I know The Wall is the standard when talking concept albums, but I think MMJ is much more likely to do something like Quadrophenia than something like The Wall.  Much like The Who in their early years MMJ has a real, palpable connection with their fans. Thats what elicits that emotional connection with the music, and thats why Quadrophenia, written over 30 years ago, is still relevant. Floyd is one of my favorites, but the music is often obtuse and heady, and sometimes its inaccessible for some people. So while it is very good, it doesnt often create that intensely loyal, soldier-like mentality that fans of bands like MMJ have.

Does that make any sense at all? It sounds great in my head, but Im not too sure that I got it to my fingers properly...

[Dillsnufus]

that makes more sense yeah

[BH]

Well, I think OKONOKOS was a pretty good concept album! ;)

[evilPaauwe]

Well, I think OKONOKOS was a pretty good concept album! ;)

yeah yeah!!

[Bigsky]

Well, I think OKONOKOS was a pretty good concept album! ;)

I agree with BH and was already thinking that OKONOKOS was conceptual the first time I heard it...

[Bigsky]

Well, I think OKONOKOS was a pretty good concept album! ;)

I agree with BH and was already thinking that OKONOKOS was conceptual the first time I heard it...

Now thinking about it, OKONOKOS being a live show is a compilation of their other albums. So I don't think it can be a concept album.

[RandallFlagg]

Explain, of all things, why you would even get the slightest notion that EU is a concept album. That statement alone makes no sense, let alone starting a thread about it. I should have realised that I have to EXPLAIN

[tomEisenbraun]

Well, being that it supposedly centers around the exploration of a "new" genre for the Jacket, it could be a concept album in that sense. I don't necessarily think it qualifies, as continuity of story throughout the album is part of what I think makes up an essential part of the concept album, but there's better ways to discuss such things. Experimental album? Sure sounds like it so far--maybe someone got their ideas of experimental and concept mixed. No reason to berate here.

[The DARK]

"Concept Album" doesn't have to equal rock opera.

They said in an interview about the separate parts of it, and how it was meant to go together as a whole. So I guess it could be considered a concept album in that way.  ;)

I haven't heard it yet, so I can't comment on how the lyrics go together.

[sweatboard]

I really don't want to get into the album when it hasn't been released but, it is a concept album.  The concept being two sides of the same coin, it runs through the entire album.  I'll get detailed about it once the album comes out.

[sweatboard]

Of course this is just my opinion.  So if you don't think it is, then that's cool with me.

[BH]

Apparently Randall only sees one side of the coin.

[Bigsky]

how the fuck is evil urges a 'concept album' are you retarted? Explain, of all things, why you would even get the slightest notion that EU is a concept album. That statement alone makes no sense, let alone starting a thread about it. I should have realised that I have to EXPLAIN

You sound very angry and pissed off...anyways, welcome to the forum and try not to take anything personal here. Remember your an MMJ fan who is full of happeness and delight, because there is a new album coming out.

Back to the idea of OKONOKOS being a concept album...just to clarify what we are talking about I borrowed this from Wikipedia:
   "In popular music, a concept album is an album which is "unified by a theme, which can be instrumental, compositional, narrative, or lyrical". Most often they are pre-planned (conceived) and with all songs contributing to a single overall theme or unified story, this plan or story being the concept. This is in contrast to the standard practice of an artist or group releasing an album consisting of a number of unconnected songs performed by the artist. Given that the suggestion of something as vague as an overall mood often tags a work as being a concept album, a precise definition of the term proves problematic.
    In the world of musical theatre, there is a separate and distinct form of concept album known as the album musical, in which the performers are playing characters in a story, a type of recording which encompasses such "rock operas" as The Who's Tommy and The Wall by Pink Floyd."

Does OKONOKOS do any of this?

[Goat Boy]

I know The Wall is the standard when talking concept albums

The standard for concept albums?  Shit, how may laughing emoticons can I post here?

Floyd is one of my favorites, but the music is often obtuse and heady, and sometimes its inaccessible for some people.  

The Floyd inaccessible for some people?  Syd's Floyd perhaps but hardly the prog behemoth that came later.  They've sold millions and millions and are comfortably one of the biggest bands ever so clearly a LOT of people identify with them very heavily indeed.  No band is universally liked but the Waters era Floyd come closer than most.

So while it is very good, it doesnt often create that intensely loyal, soldier-like mentality that fans of bands like MMJ have.

This is rubbish.  Floyd fans are rabid and incredibly loyal.  Unfortunately I've known a few.  Those cunts could still probably sell out Wembley 5 times over and they've done sfa of note for over 30 years.

The Wall is FUCKING RUBBISH.  Horrible, whiny self-pitying piece of dull Middle England bourgeois shit and Waters is a cunt.  He looks like one of those statues on Easter Island.  Only less animated and interesting.  Awful, awful album.  MMJ will never do anything like Quadrophenia.  Quadrophenia is Pet Sounds for boys that take drugs and shag women.  Jim James is too old now to create something that came from a similar place.  Quadrophenia celebrated a movement and a way of life.  Pete WAS a mod.  He took leapers etc and I fail to see how James could conjure up something similar or why he'd even want to.  Quadrophenia was a requiem and a celebration of a youth movement.  

[Jaimoe]

Originally, Pete wasn't a mod and neither was anyone in The Who. The were late to the movement. They inevitably were embraced by mod pop culture and adapted to some of its characteristics accordingly.

[BH]

 [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]Welcome to the forum Goat Boy! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

[Jaimoe]

And in fact, The Who were designed to be mods by Peter Meadon and Chris Stamp. A truer and bigger mod band amongst the mods was The Small Faces.

[peanut butter puddin surprise]

uh, Roger Waters wrote most of the best Floyd material, so he's obviously not a cunt if you're even a casual fan.  is The Wall overplayed insofar as its radio singles?  Yes.  But, if you're older than 35 you'd remember The Wall was a pretty far out record in its day, in comparison to the dredges that make up the competition.  

I think the closest MMJ has gotten to a "concept" album would be Chocolate and Ice, with the exploration of funky beats on Cobra and the soaring melody of Sooner alongside the billowing-but-fantastic Can you feel the hard helmet on my head?

Radiohead's Kid A is my favorite concept album, with Rush's 2112 close behind.  Some other examples from my collection:

The Grand Illusion - Styx
Paradise Theater - Styx
Yes-Tales from Topographic Oceans

[j_rud]

I know The Wall is the standard when talking concept albums

The standard for concept albums?  Shit, how may laughing emoticons can I post here?

Floyd is one of my favorites, but the music is often obtuse and heady, and sometimes its inaccessible for some people.  

The Floyd inaccessible for some people?  Syd's Floyd perhaps but hardly the prog behemoth that came later.  They've sold millions and millions and are comfortably one of the biggest bands ever so clearly a LOT of people identify with them very heavily indeed.  No band is universally liked but the Waters era Floyd come closer than most.

So while it is very good, it doesnt often create that intensely loyal, soldier-like mentality that fans of bands like MMJ have.

This is rubbish.  Floyd fans are rabid and incredibly loyal.  Unfortunately I've known a few.  Those cunts could still probably sell out Wembley 5 times over and they've done sfa of note for over 30 years.

The Wall is FUCKING RUBBISH.  Horrible, whiny self-pitying piece of dull Middle England bourgeois shit and Waters is a cunt.  He looks like one of those statues on Easter Island.  Only less animated and interesting.  Awful, awful album.  MMJ will never do anything like Quadrophenia.  Quadrophenia is Pet Sounds for boys that take drugs and shag women.  Jim James is too old now to create something that came from a similar place.  Quadrophenia celebrated a movement and a way of life.  Pete WAS a mod.  He took leapers etc and I fail to see how James could conjure up something similar or why he'd even want to.  Quadrophenia was a requiem and a celebration of a youth movement.  

Christ, why so angry?

To clarify: personal preference aside you cannot debate the popularity of The Wall. As self indulgent and "whiney" as it is, it was the most successful concept album of the 70s and is still the first example cited by the average person if you ask them what a concept album is.  As for Floyds music: yes, it is wildly popular but that doesnt mean it would ever be embraced by the average music fan. These are pretty basic concepts  and Im not sure why you had such a problem with it that you felt you needed to come off as an ignorant ass.  

As for the comparison to The Who, mention of Quadrophenia, etc: I used the Who in comparison because its from the same period. I didnt say Jim James could write Quadrophenia and I didnt say I expect him to write something like it. What I said was I thought, in comparison to something like The Wall, MMJ was more likely to make something that resembled Quadrophenia.

At this point you should be asking "resemble how?" instead of itching to say "c*nt" again. I'll give you a second to get there....ok: I think it would resemble Quadrophenia in a number of ways. Sonically I think it be more upbeat and be much more of a "rock" album as compared to prog or whatever you might like to call Floyd (rubbish, maybe?). I also think lyrically it would connect more with the audience like Quadrophenia. That doesnt mean it has to capture a youth movement, it merely means that people can hear the words and identify with them.

OK, you can be angry again.