Jacket Fans: Stoned, Drunk, Rude, & Stupid?

[johnnYYac]

I wrote a few words on the Nashville thread about the show and tried to stay positive but sadly this thread is true.Apparently a pack of wolves got a copy of "Evil Urges" and the young men they were raising took a liking to it.Clearly they learned the words to the songs by repetition because they were unable to read the giant orange NO SMOKING sign hanging on the wall.While these wolves didn't teach the young male humans to read they certainly spent some time fine tuning their cannibis growing skills.I'm 44 yrs old and also realize we were at a rock concert and not church so I'm not offended when I catch a whiff.However,an indoor venue with a non smoking policy is probably not the most respectful place to fire up.Now on to the glowsticks.
I fully expected Jim to stop playing and dare another person to smack him in the face with a glowstick but that's not really Jim.He had actual parents that taught him basic rules and manners from an early age.Perhaps the glowstick fanatics would like it if we arranged to have them pelted in the face with neon weapons at their jobs.Nothing says lovin' like having solid objects thrown at you while you're in the zone,rocking out with you eyes half closed,near the edge of a five foot drop off.I'm sure Jim's just itching to take another fall from a stage since he survived the last one.IDIOTS! PLEASE LISTEN TO ME NOW!When someone is giving you the wonderful gift of song you can thank them in many ways such as applause,waving arms in the air and even the occasional,"WE LOVE YOU JIM".These are all perfectly acceptable and appropriate ways to convey your thank you.Throwing objects at him is always BAD.If you can't resist the urge to smuggle cases of glowsticks into the show with total disregard for the other fans and band members then please do us all a favor and stay home.I don't want to know what's going on in the head of anyone who thinks it's ok to throw objects at the band.Throwing them around the crowd at other fans is bad enough but hitting Jim in the face countless times is just purely embarrassing for those of us raised by actual human parents.Jim has too much class to react to this but maybe it's time the "Jacketeers Against Glowsticks" unite and show them how much fun a stun gun can be.

Damn, sister.  Testify.  A Glow Stick Guardian Angels chapter?  You already know I agree with you about the glowsticks, but we can't go cockpunching and stun-gunning the assholes.  We have to set the example.  Gather a bunch as they're thrown near you.  Then, when you see someone throw one towards the stage, particularly if it its one of the boys, whip your handful point blank at the fucker.  Or set his hair on fire.  Just nothing too violent.

[september blues]

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[kymomandstuff]

I wrote a few words on the Nashville thread about the show and tried to stay positive but sadly this thread is true.Apparently a pack of wolves got a copy of "Evil Urges" and the young men they were raising took a liking to it.Clearly they learned the words to the songs by repetition because they were unable to read the giant orange NO SMOKING sign hanging on the wall.While these wolves didn't teach the young male humans to read they certainly spent some time fine tuning their cannibis growing skills.I'm 44 yrs old and also realize we were at a rock concert and not church so I'm not offended when I catch a whiff.However,an indoor venue with a non smoking policy is probably not the most respectful place to fire up.Now on to the glowsticks.
I fully expected Jim to stop playing and dare another person to smack him in the face with a glowstick but that's not really Jim.He had actual parents that taught him basic rules and manners from an early age.Perhaps the glowstick fanatics would like it if we arranged to have them pelted in the face with neon weapons at their jobs.Nothing says lovin' like having solid objects thrown at you while you're in the zone,rocking out with you eyes half closed,near the edge of a five foot drop off.I'm sure Jim's just itching to take another fall from a stage since he survived the last one.IDIOTS! PLEASE LISTEN TO ME NOW!When someone is giving you the wonderful gift of song you can thank them in many ways such as applause,waving arms in the air and even the occasional,"WE LOVE YOU JIM".These are all perfectly acceptable and appropriate ways to convey your thank you.Throwing objects at him is always BAD.If you can't resist the urge to smuggle cases of glowsticks into the show with total disregard for the other fans and band members then please do us all a favor and stay home.I don't want to know what's going on in the head of anyone who thinks it's ok to throw objects at the band.Throwing them around the crowd at other fans is bad enough but hitting Jim in the face countless times is just purely embarrassing for those of us raised by actual human parents.Jim has too much class to react to this but maybe it's time the "Jacketeers Against Glowsticks" unite and show them how much fun a stun gun can be.

Damn, sister.  Testify.  A Glow Stick Guardian Angels chapter?  You already know I agree with you about the glowsticks, but we can't go cockpunching and stun-gunning the assholes.  We have to set the example.  Gather a bunch as they're thrown near you.  Then, when you see someone throw one towards the stage, particularly if it its one of the boys, whip your handful point blank at the fucker.  Or set his hair on fire.  Just nothing too violent.

Hmmmm setting hair on fire,not a bad idea.There's usually a fair selection of flame worthy wiggage at any given MMJ show. ;D

If anyone reads this that's ever thrown or considered throwing a glow stick in the general direction of aforementioned band,stop and realize there's a special bunch of guys up there.Show some respect and control youngsters.You're making us all look like asshats and it's NOT OK.Now,back to the program.

[ericm]

I also have to say the only true hanging offense is pelting the band with glow sticks. I would support a posse of individuals to go find the d-bags, who probably all pop their collars, and every time they launch a glowstick at the band, they get 20 cockpunches.

I'd have to add groping to that list. If someone were to grope/ass grab my gf at this or any show, 20 cockpunches wouldn't be enough.

[Haldon]

Its so sad/frustrating to hear stories like some of you have told.  I myself have spent many a concert in the GA section, and its true, the rules do tend to be different there when compared to the seats.  Theres more body contact (which means elbows, stomped feet, bumping, pushing, etc)  I love being up close to the action, so I make the choice to accept those things.  Its definitely not an experience which all can enjoy.

However, I have noticed the douchebaggery which occurs at many a concert.  And its not like its a new thing.  Its anywhere there is an abundance of alcohol and people who don't know how to handle the amounts that they consume.  
I have never had a bad experience with this at a MMJ concert yet, and I hope to continue that streak at the St. Augustine show.

I don't mind the stoners (I am one) because like someone mentioned before.  They are mostly the mellow ones who are just grooving and dancing and enjoying the experience.   Its the jackfaces who reek of beer and sweat who usually end up fucking up the experience.

Re: the glowsticks.  I've never understood this.  Seen so many shows were people are throwing glowsticks.  Even when I've been tripping balls at concerts, I remember thinking "whoa, glowsticks, cool."  But I didn't think it was all THAT great."  And now that people are using them to throw on stage or purposefully at the band members.  That I cannot understand.  How fucking disrespectful can you be.  I've seen it plenty of times and alway thought to myself that if G-d had seen fit to make me a few inches taller and a bit stronger I would pummel the fuck out of the shitbag who actually thought that was cool.

That my 2cents.  I look forward to a nice enjoyable show, at the rail, in St. Augustine.  I expect to be pushed from the back.  I expect to be pushed from the side.  Maybe I'll catch the eye of a fellow Jacketeer during an epic jam, look at each other, both knowing/thinking "my mind is blowing up right now and my body is melting into the music." (happened at the Miami Filmore Show in Aug '08 during PWW, and is still my favorite MMJ memory)  But I will keep my fingers crossed that the hobocockassmungers of St. Augustine stay home next tuesday and let us all enjoy the show.

[el_chode]

I also have to say the only true hanging offense is pelting the band with glow sticks. I would support a posse of individuals to go find the d-bags, who probably all pop their collars, and every time they launch a glowstick at the band, they get 20 cockpunches.

I'd have to add groping to that list. If someone were to grope/ass grab my gf at this or any show, 20 cockpunches wouldn't be enough.

The Ween show that happened at has to be expected sort of. Ween draws probably the WEIRDEST crowd for any show I've ever been to. She didn't tell me because she knew I'd flip my shit because this guy kept trying to crowd surf by jumping on me, and I'm not gonna be the ONLY person causing a scene. I just watched him out of the corner of my eye, and when he went to jump, I side stepped and he faceplanted. On concrete.

[Erik26]

At Virgin Fest in Calgary last summer we had Pearl Jam booked to headline day one. Unfortunately the lineup for the rest of the day suffered in quality tremendously and most people stayed in the several different beer gardens and drank from noon till 8 in the blazing sun just to emerge for PJ. Meanwhile i'm smoking a joint at this outdoor festival and people are bitching about the smoke. Guess who the idiots were at this show??? Not me smoking my joints but the morons who drank in the sun for 8 hours. It was so bad that Eddie had to tell people to chill out. There ended up being countless arrests and multiple taserings that day. My point is; 1-don't demonize pot smokers, we aren't the problem and never will be. And 2- there is a good reason why some venues cut the liquor sales early in the night and that can really change the way a crowd acts for the better because unfortunately a lot of people can't handle booze.

[Ruckus]

That shoe as the Statue of Liberty story is hilarious. ;D  

I don't know about this thread.  I've been hearing this for some time now.  It's rock n' frickin' roll!  Asking for such polite behavior in many ways conflicts with what I understand to be the experience of going to a rock show.  There's always gonna be idiots, particularly in the pit.  When a band gets big, the larger shows will always create a greater sense of anonymity where 18-20 year olds can get wasted and act the fool, unlike at smaller venue shows.

I remember when I was around 13, I got drunk and went to go Van Halen with Vince Neil opening. ;D  Probably around '93.  Me and my friends were yelling for Vince to get off the stage because all he was doing was playing Motley Crue songs.  The lady in front of us (who was around 35 years old and happened to be smoking a joint with the smoke blowing in OUR face told us brats to shut the fuck up).  We deserved it for sure but we were having the time or our lives.  It was a rock n' roll show.

I do agree about the glowsticks and groping.  They both suck.  BTW ladies, I don't mind being groped.  Carry on....Anyways

MMJ attracts so many nicotine addicts?  C'mon dude :-/  The day we have PC police and overabundant security at a rock n' roll show is the day I'll stop going.

I guess this isn't the 60's anymore. :-/  

[megalicious]

First off: I am a smoker. I love my cigarettes. I can't help it.

But let me tell you, I was ready to put the hurt on some bitches at the B'ham show. The Alabama Theatre is a historic landmark. It is incredibly beautiful and deserves some RESPECT. That's why, when there were signs that said "No Smoking," I obliged.

But all these dude-brah d-bags around me didn't seem to give a shit and smoked throughout the show. It pissed me off.

I mean, if I am in a bar or whatever, I'm going to be smoking. That's just how it is. But not in a freaking National Landmark. Damn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Theatre#History

[Ruckus]

First off: I am a smoker. I love my cigarettes. I can't help it.

But let me tell you, I was ready to put the hurt on some bitches at the B'ham show. The Alabama Theatre is a historic landmark. It is incredibly beautiful and deserves some RESPECT. That's why, when there were signs that said "No Smoking," I obliged.

[highlight]But all these dude-brah d-bags around me didn't seem to give a shit and smoked throughout the show.[/highlight] It pissed me off.

I mean, if I am in a bar or whatever, I'm going to be smoking. That's just how it is. But not in a freaking National Landmark. Damn.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alabama_Theatre#History

That's funny.  When we were listening to Nashville stream, I made it a point to make fun of all the "wussup brah?" "hey brah" dudes that you could hear talking on the stream over ANYTIME!  Not even Golden or Dondante but ANYTIME.

Anyways, point taken on respect for the theater.  At least you guys get to smoke in bars still. ;D  It was more Anu's phrasing that got under my skin a little bit.  I'm over it.

[BH]

I'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

[Tracy 3000]

I'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

razor sharp, BH; razor sharp.


I have an old fart's scapegoat about all this: technology.

b/c of things like the internet and twitter and texting (and on and on and on) SOME people are exerting less and less physical energy and their social skills have gone to shit b/c so much of their interactions do not occur face to face. So, when true emotions bubble up (add alcohol to magnify the experience) and they're not texting or tweeting or freaking out over a fantsy football pick, they don't know what to do or how to act b/c most of the times their emotions are wrapped within isolated and limited fields of technology.
So, their bodies convulse due to the shock of physical activity and their emotions literally take over.

or not   :-/

[Ghosts_on_TV]

I'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

;D

[im2bob]

At the ripe old age of 44, I avoid fighting the GA crowds.  I did have 5th row seats in Birmingham and other than some very fine smelling funk, I saw no douchebaggery, glow sticks or excessive drunkeness.  I suppose it's a combination of the GA set up and general lack of security.   I would think that if the band didn't want to deal with the repercussions of a GA crowd, they wouldn't allow it to be booked that way.  

Other than the glow sticks and ass grabing, I don't have a problem with a little excess from those with their partying training wheels still on.   If I did see someone throwing stuff, glow sticks or otherwise, I would have to get in their face.  

The only thing in Birmingham that bothered me a bit was the dude behind me who was singing every song at the top of his lungs.   Cool, I get it.  You know the words.   But do I really have to hear it shouted in my ear such that I hear a combination of you and Jim.   Maybe that's where the Yim comes from?   Anyhow, I know a bunch of you here like to sing, but I really don't get why it has to be at the top of your lungs, as if to prove to everyone that you know every word to every song.

Sorry, I figured as long as we were ranting.

[searchinbig]

One of the older folks chiming in here. I was not at the show but I can say this that as a band grows more and more popular it becomes a numbers game. Equal amount of bullshit with equal amount of good shit.  Saw it with many bands as they grew. The scene deteriorated cause of assholes. Soon the cops will follow and busts, etc. Well you get the picture. MMJ is still relatively new in the publics eye. I don't know how it's changed so far for MMJ shows, but LIke Tracy said it was much cooler with fewer.  :)

[jones]

I'm 32 and I prefer chairbacks.  I love the experience of being on the rail, but the drama sucks.  Most of the time for me, it's just not worth it.  

[manicfanatic]

During PJHB set I overheard some drunk tool say to a chick "I just want the jazz to stop. So I can some Wordless Chorus". He was so trashed three or four songs into the MMJ set, he got sick and his girlfriend had to take him home. It gave me a little bit of joy knowing that he didn't get to hear "Wordless Chorus".

Talk about being disrespectful, serves the asshole right.  I remember the same thing happened to my brother-in -law at a STP show yrs ago.  Got shit faced and sick right before they came on stage.  Missed the entire show.  Told him to go out on the lawn and find his way back to the car.  I certainly wasn't going to miss the show on account of him.

[ellisintransit]

The smoking and glow-stick arguments are two different things.  

Smoking (both the green and the nicotine) is a part of the culture of rock and roll.  If you can't handle that, you gotta move to the back of the crowd.  I don't smoke myself, but really, come on.  There were plenty of seats left upstairs if the smoke bugs you.  A whole lot of us here saw MMJ MANY times over the years in dingy clubs and bars where the smoke was just as bad.  It ain't going away.  Ever.  MMJ or not.  The OP reminds me of the song I'm Losing Edge by LCD Soundsystem.  The youngsters gotta have the same fun we did and they will.

The glowsticks?  Fuck em.  Nobody on this board will ever be able to comprehend the asshats that do that, because we're actually FANS.  When the first one hit Jim straight on there was an audible gasp from the crowd and sporadic booing.  You would think that would be enough to deter other idiots, but clearly it wasn't.  The only way to stop it is to shame those who participate.  Let me witness someone throwing ANYTHING, let alone a glowstick at my favorite band.  

It was a good old rock and show at Municipal the other night.

[CTdeadhead]

I tend to see that in New York City.  Both Radio City amd MSG were pretty packed with drunks, I just figured it was normal for the Big Apple.  Overall I've seen these guys more times than I can count and I dont usually see a lot of stupid behavior.  Perhaps you just got "lucky"?

[ynwa]

i'm in agreement with a lot of what's been said in here.  i've been to many a gig in my time so i know that certain things are inevitable.  where there is live music the rest will follow.

i don't smoke cigarettes, but i know that those who do will probably light up.  i love the smell of weed & it makes me happy when i get a whif.  (even if i'm not partaking.)  if i choose to be in the pit, i expect to be jostled a bit & most likely get some beer spilled on me at least once.  these are all things i will tolerate & won't let ruin my good time.

re: ass-grabbing/groping:  to the other ladies out there - if someone touches or gropes you, even "accidentally" (and c'mon, we CAN tell the difference) do not be afraid to stick up for yourself.  let them know that shit don't stand.  or report them.  and to everyone in general, if you witness this going on, help a sister out!  

pelting the band with objects is something i just don't understand.  i don't know how it could seem a good idea even if you're wasted or tripping balls.  i know jim is not going to pull an axl rose & dive on & start beating the idiot - the man's all class.  but that shit needs to stop.  seriously.

i hope that enough of us here reading this thread will do our part to make sure to not pull this crap ourselves & keep our friends in check at future shows.  especially @ MPP!