Jacket Fans: Stoned, Drunk, Rude, & Stupid?

[CTdeadhead]

I'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

BH you took the words right out of my mouth!

[pawpaw]

I'm sure some old dude thought I was Stoned, Drunk, Rude, & Stupid at a concert 15 years ago, and I'm sure I was. Sorry 'bout that old dude. I'll probably think that about some young punk at some point too. Circle of life, brah.

The glowsticks are obnoxious though, and I'd have no problem with venue security taking them away at the front door.

[Crispy]

I'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

And as a rude, stupid alcoholic drug addict, I concur completely.

bbill: "Circle of life, brah" ;D

[capt. scotty]

*funny side note* one of the drunk dudes took off his tennis shoe and started holding it up in the air like the statue of liberty's torch. when I saw this I looked at him and smiled and he said to me "what? I'm just trying to show my love"

;D ;D ;D

[Penny Lane]

I'm totally on board with your complaints in this thread.  However, I'm not a big fan of the the thread title.   It has nothing to do with "Jacket Fans" and everything to do with the general disrespect that SOME people in this world have for others.    As an alcoholic and drug addict, I resent being lumped in with these assholes.

And as a rude, stupid alcoholic drug addict, I concur completely.

bbill: "Circle of life, brah" ;D

Get a room already...

[el_chode]

One last point: I'm 27, which means I'm so incredibly old it's not even funny...perhaps the oldest jacket fan.

Ok not really, but I do have 2 herniated discs. So I feel old. This is why I'm a pansy and I love seated venues or places where I can lean against shit, which is why I typically let the front rail and all the young dudes have their fun in the middle.

Also, in allows easier access to the bar, which I gotta say for theater venues tend to be awesome...quick, easy access.

[mjkoehler]

I haven't been to a Jacket show since Nov 2006 and people were nice then. Granted I was in the comfort of dead center front row of the balcony and not on the floor. If they ever come back here, I will be dead center, on the rail, and with my son. He needs to have his shit messed with in a JJ kinda way. What the hell has happened in the last 4 years with people. Fucking tools.

Seriously, who's giving out the glow sticks? Fuck that. I cannot stand those damn things. I hate being at a show that is so smoked out that I have to shower when I get home just so I can sleep, but I do not begrude people for lighting up if it's a smoking show. If it's posted non smoking, put it the fuck out though. And where are people getting the money to get this fucked up? Maybe I'm a cheap fucker, but the idea of spending $5-7 a drink pretty much limits me to how much I can toss back. I really do not want to deal with Wifezilla when the CC bill comes and it's $50 just for booze.

[megalicious]

I remember the Riverfront show back in '08... these dude brahs and sorostitutes had glow sticks and broke them open and were smearing the contents on one another. I felt obligated to tell them those things were probably poisonous, but then I remembered the concept of natural selection...

;D

[Caseydog]

I know that the Bon Jovi show was down the road at the Bridgestone Arena. But I wonder if they had more intelligent & respectful fans there than we did at the half-empty Municipal Auditorium last night.

There's very little that I can attribute the rude and rowdy mess I experienced down front by stage other than to the abuse of drugs and alcohol. It was sick, and not in the good way that Dondante, Smokin from Shootin, OTR, or Run Thru was.

I have loved this band more than any other in recent years.

And I cannot complain that the set last night was not one of the best. And I cannot complain that the fans I stood near didn't know the songs; in fact, folks knew all the words to every song, even to some of the covers I did not recognize.

The thick and sticky ganja smoke was bad enough, but the cigarette smoke was excessive and puke worthy. Does MMJ attract that many people addicted to nicotine, with no respect for their neighbors, or the indoor smoking ban in our fine state of Tennessee?

For too many years, I went to Jacket shows wasted. I imagine what I saw last night was probably karmic payback for my own stupidity on previous MMJ benders. But the experience of seeing the jacket sober was seriously diminished by the antics of my drunken peers.

Not once, but multiple times, Yim was pelted with glowsticks. Many frontfolk would not have his grace and professionalism and would have walked off stage.

Lots of people who are not drug addicts or alcoholics can handle their buzz and respect their neighbors. However, in the crowd at the Jacket last night, I saw far too many people too fucked up to care that some people do not want to be groped, bumped, ass-grabbed, screamed at, or have giant wafts of nasty tobacco smoke blown in their faces for the sake of *your* good time.

I know that if I want to be sober and still go to shows, I need to put up with stuff like this. However, I hope better for the Jacket and their incredibly dedicated fanbase. Please, handle your buzz & respect your neighbor or get the help that I needed to get & get clean & sober.

Rant over. Forgive me my rant as I forgive y'all for what I saw last night.

Peace,
A

Haven't been on the board in quite some time, but this post really hits home with me.  Having been sober for twenty-three years and attended many, many, many concerts in that time, I've lost patience for people that get out of control.  It doesn't happen often, but sometimes I just give one of my stares to the person bumping, pushing etc. and let them know I paid for admission to the show and I'm not going to let them ruin it.  I hope your experience is isolated with MMJ.  I expect that behavior at WSP, but not MMJ.  I won't see WSP anymore as a result.   Keep working it a day at a time and keep enjoying the vibe.

[mjkoehler]

I remember the Riverfront show back in '08... these dude brahs and sorostitutes had glow sticks and broke them open and were smearing the contents on one another. I felt obligated to tell them those things were probably poisonous, but then I remembered the concept of natural selection...

;D

Yes, thinning the overcrowded herd. Sorostitues...love it.

[CTdeadhead]

One last point: I'm 27, which means I'm so incredibly old it's not even funny...perhaps the oldest jacket fan.

Ok not really, but I do have 2 herniated discs. So I feel old. This is why I'm a pansy and I love seated venues or places where I can lean against shit, which is why I typically let the front rail and all the young dudes have their fun in the middle.

Also, in allows easier access to the bar, which I gotta say for theater venues tend to be awesome...quick, easy access.

You ain't old Brother.  I'll be 40 in a few months.  I recently broke my back and needed fusion of 4 vertabrae.  The worst pain I ever felt.  But I plan some up close time with the boys next Friday in NC.

[el_chode]

One last point: I'm 27, which means I'm so incredibly old it's not even funny...perhaps the oldest jacket fan.

Ok not really, but I do have 2 herniated discs. So I feel old. This is why I'm a pansy and I love seated venues or places where I can lean against shit, which is why I typically let the front rail and all the young dudes have their fun in the middle.

Also, in allows easier access to the bar, which I gotta say for theater venues tend to be awesome...quick, easy access.

You ain't old Brother.  I'll be 40 in a few months.  I recently broke my back and needed fusion of 4 vertabrae.  The worst pain I ever felt.  But I plan some up close time with the boys next Friday in NC.

Yeah but I feel old. I was stiff for two days after the last show I went to.

My discs are the result of a fracture. I was told I'm gonna need the same thing you had when I'm your age...so I don't feel your pain...yet

Still, I think it's funny that 10 years ago, I was all [size=24]CHAIRS AT CONCERTS ARE FOR PUSSIES! [/size]

and now I'm all like

"do they allow lawn chairs at this festival?"

[jones]

I don't ever sit down, but I like the fact that you can't really get shifted or pushed around (as much) when there is a seat attached to the floor behind you.

[ericm]

I don't ever sit down, but I like the fact that you can't really get shifted or pushed around (as much) when there is a seat attached to the floor behind you.

My feelings exactly!

Also I might cheat a bit during a slower song and sit on the edge of my folded up seat. Sort of 1/2 sitting, 1/2 standing.  ;D

[el_chode]

I don't ever sit down, but I like the fact that you can't really get shifted or pushed around (as much) when there is a seat attached to the floor behind you.

My feelings exactly!

Also I might cheat a bit during a slower song and sit on the edge of my folded up seat. Sort of 1/2 sitting, 1/2 standing.  ;D

True, and even when there are seats I do spend most of the time standing. But there are times when I just say "fuck it" and sit.

Though I'm never that person who demands everyone else sit. I was at a Wilco show where two grown men in turtlenecks got in a slap fight because one guy demanded his entire section remain seated and somehow got security on his side.

[jones]

I don't ever sit down, but I like the fact that you can't really get shifted or pushed around (as much) when there is a seat attached to the floor behind you.

My feelings exactly!

Also I might cheat a bit during a slower song and sit on the edge of my folded up seat. Sort of 1/2 sitting, 1/2 standing.  ;D

True, and even when there are seats I do spend most of the time standing. But there are times when I just say "fuck it" and sit.

Though I'm never that person who demands everyone else sit. I was at a Wilco show where two grown men in turtlenecks got in a slap fight because one guy demanded his entire section remain seated and somehow got security on his side.

Well, they were wearing turtlenecks.  At least they had that going for them.

[mahg33ta]

Man, there are long-ranging debates on the wilco board on Sit vs Stand.   Seems like that music straddles the fence and brings out both sides.

For the record, I saw them earlier this month and stood the whole time.   Luckily the people in front of me were standing so I could turn around and shrug / sorry.   I don't feel comfortable being the only person standing in a crowd of sitters.

[slappymoe]

for the record, we were 4 guys, age 44-47.  we were maybe 10 "rows" back from the stage, right in front of jim.  

other than a young douche-in-training and his girlfriend "dancing" (more like a dual full-body heave) into us a few times, i saw no major behavior problems around us.  we were pretty drunk and high ourselves......but i can assure you we were the four most mellow dudes in the venue.

but as for the glowsticks, i can't remenber the last time i've hated anything as much as i hate those things.  damn near ruined the show for me, i spent way too much time wondering which of the guys would be assaulted next.   it's simply amazing that they seem to take it in stride......i wouldn't blame them if they walked off.

at one point there was a kid a few feet to my right with a glowstick.....he was working feverishly trying to break it so it would shower his victims with glowing goo.....i temporarily lost focus on the show, began imagining myself pummeling him with repeated blows about the head and neck......forcing him to drink the icky contents......holding his severed head up on pole, with two glowsticks crammed in his nostrils, serving as a cautionary tale to anyone else so inclined........but like i said, we're a pretty mellow group. 8-)

other than that, the show itself was well worth the trip, and i'd do it again in a heartbeat.  the phjb was freakin' awesome, and MMJ was the solid, powerful, magical, fun-loving group we all love.  can't wait to see 'em again.

[bearass]

the rock and roll was too loud for the op

[capt. scotty]

the rock and roll was too loud for the op

this.