Roll Call: Z: Night 4: October 22

[Sticky Icky Green Stuff]

Was only able to make the Z show but WOW, what a fucking great one!  Best Dondante, EVER!!!  And then to hear Chills, Where To Begin, Hit It and Quit It and A Quick One, perfect!!  Brought 2 virgins along (sister and her husband) and they are now totally sold on the band.   Was nice to meet A Lady and her 2 friends while waiting in line for a poster.  Crowd was pretty good, despite the glow sticks.   Glad that everyone had such a blast all week.  BTW, did anyone else get hassled out on the street at all about the posters??  Some drunken asshole kept hounding me half the way up 56th Street to have a look at it.  I finally gave him a glimpse just to shut him up.  

that encore for Z looks nutty.

[Im The Dude]

It was amazing....got some video of this show from up front.

[jdbartender]

Criticism is necessary occasionally, constructive criticism that is.

jb, I guess I sorta disagree with the part about the band needing to know what it's audience wants.  I think that's bullshit to some degree.

they should appease themselves before they appease us.  that is the only way they'll make great music.  if they're trying to fit into some mold a bunch of internet geeks try to make them fit in, wtf?  it's not practical.  The best thing in my mind is to let them run.  let them do whatever the fuck they want and embrace them.  they're still a working band for sure, lets not deny this fact.  so to come here like a lot of new people have been doing, and just being straight up arrogant pricks about specific songs, when it's subjective, makes things tense and annoying.  because when it comes down to it, not everybody here has the same favorite song and I think that's fairly obvious to everyone.  we all have different tastes, but respect it when a songs flavor doesn't hit us right I think...

What makes this band play great shows and write great songs is partially due to the positivity and collective feel this crowd/forum has.  

It's a bummer because everyone here is ultra accepting and a lot of people piss on that respect.  which is unfortunate.  

if the music didn't contain spells maybe things would be different.

I hear you to a certain degree...  They should have the freedom to play what ever they want - and since we are the ones going to shows, and buying albums, and posters, and t-shirts and essentially providing them with the finances to keep making music, we have should have the freedom to discuss their music openly and honestly. That doesn't mean with have to be mean spirited about it, but it does mean it is ok to critical from time to time.  And just because we are critical, that doesn't mean we still don't love the band.  We just want them to be the best we know they can be.


As I said before, I have nothing negative to say about this band right now.  I loved the ISM and Z shows, and I had an amazing time!  But at long as the criticism stays constructive people shouldn't be ostracized for having an opinion.

My 2 cents.

Hope everyone had a great time last night!  Wish I was there!

I don't know I still thinking going to any musical performance and feeling like your entitled to something is bullshit straight up.  whether you pay for the concert or it's free.  the same argument helped ruined the dave matthews band fanbase.  The band owes you nothing, they never will no matter what they do really.  

I'm all for freedom to say what you want but somethings the little kids like hacksaw on here say are nonsense.  I'm being very specific to hacksaw's style of posting.  There is a difference between being critical to be a dick and constructive criticism.  It doesn't take a rocket scientists to understand this.  

again being critical assholes is what makes the dave matthews band fanbase suck balls, I know you're from antsmarching.org so I know you know exactly what I'm talking about.  that place is the single worst forum for any band ever created, it's a cesspool of drivel and diatribe about why one person is right and the other person is wrong there is no conversation there.  Anytime this place starts to take on that vibe I will stand up to it because again if you feel entitled to something at an mmj show you probably shouldn't be there.  

all the criticism I've heard so far is personal bitching with the exception that the bass cut out for It Beats 4 U, I see no reason to complain.  even that is a technical issue the band has nothing to do with really.  It's not like they plan for the sound to be shitty.  so whenever I hear people say "this show sucked, the band sucked tonight because the ___ sound wasn't leveled right".  I kinda laugh to myself about it.  Again it's that whole "I think I'm entitled to this and that because I bought all this shit",  attitude that bothers me.  It's straight up delusion.

they owe us nothing.  not a single fucking thingChode was critical but he still came off as positive and well-intentioned.  People like hacksaw are provocateurs, nothing more.  it's annoying to read and more annoying to argue about.  

Trust me when I say this... This site is extremely refreshing compared to antsmarching.org. And to be honest, Phantasytour.org (The main Phish site) is 100X worse then Ants - so I know exactly what you are talking about and I am 100% for keeping a positive vibe on this site - as well as within the fan base.  

With that being said, I don't know the history of hacksaw's posts so if he is being a troll and I missed it, bravo for calling him out.  However, I have seen a handful of cases on this site where a member expressed some displeasure with the band, and his/her opinion was immediately discounted.  IMO, as long a member is staying constructive; the curtsy should be extended on both sides of the MMJ fence.  A negative opinion can be positively discussed - and after reading your last post, I believe we are on the same page here..

[el_chode]

Criticism is necessary occasionally, constructive criticism that is.

jb, I guess I sorta disagree with the part about the band needing to know what it's audience wants.  I think that's bullshit to some degree.

they should appease themselves before they appease us.  that is the only way they'll make great music.  if they're trying to fit into some mold a bunch of internet geeks try to make them fit in, wtf?  it's not practical.  The best thing in my mind is to let them run.  let them do whatever the fuck they want and embrace them.  they're still a working band for sure, lets not deny this fact.  so to come here like a lot of new people have been doing, and just being straight up arrogant pricks about specific songs, when it's subjective, makes things tense and annoying.  because when it comes down to it, not everybody here has the same favorite song and I think that's fairly obvious to everyone.  we all have different tastes, but respect it when a songs flavor doesn't hit us right I think...

What makes this band play great shows and write great songs is partially due to the positivity and collective feel this crowd/forum has.  

It's a bummer because everyone here is ultra accepting and a lot of people piss on that respect.  which is unfortunate.  

if the music didn't contain spells maybe things would be different.

I hear you to a certain degree...  They should have the freedom to play what ever they want - and since we are the ones going to shows, and buying albums, and posters, and t-shirts and essentially providing them with the finances to keep making music, we have should have the freedom to discuss their music openly and honestly. That doesn't mean with have to be mean spirited about it, but it does mean it is ok to critical from time to time.  And just because we are critical, that doesn't mean we still don't love the band.  We just want them to be the best we know they can be.


As I said before, I have nothing negative to say about this band right now.  I loved the ISM and Z shows, and I had an amazing time!  But at long as the criticism stays constructive people shouldn't be ostracized for having an opinion.

My 2 cents.

Hope everyone had a great time last night!  Wish I was there!

I don't know I still thinking going to any musical performance and feeling like your entitled to something is bullshit straight up.  whether you pay for the concert or it's free.  the same argument helped ruined the dave matthews band fanbase.  The band owes you nothing, they never will no matter what they do really.  

I'm all for freedom to say what you want but somethings the little kids like hacksaw on here say are nonsense.  I'm being very specific to hacksaw's style of posting.  There is a difference between being critical to be a dick and constructive criticism.  It doesn't take a rocket scientists to understand this.  

again being critical assholes is what makes the dave matthews band fanbase suck balls, I know you're from antsmarching.org so I know you know exactly what I'm talking about.  that place is the single worst forum for any band ever created, it's a cesspool of drivel and diatribe about why one person is right and the other person is wrong there is no conversation there.  Anytime this place starts to take on that vibe I will stand up to it because again if you feel entitled to something at an mmj show you probably shouldn't be there.  

all the criticism I've heard so far is personal bitching with the exception that the bass cut out for It Beats 4 U, I see no reason to complain.  even that is a technical issue the band has nothing to do with really.  It's not like they plan for the sound to be shitty.  so whenever I hear people say "this show sucked, the band sucked tonight because the ___ sound wasn't leveled right".  I kinda laugh to myself about it.  Again it's that whole "I think I'm entitled to this and that because I bought all this shit",  attitude that bothers me.  It's straight up delusion.

they owe us nothing.  not a single fucking thingChode was critical but he still came off as positive and well-intentioned.  People like hacksaw are provocateurs, nothing more.  it's annoying to read and more annoying to argue about.  

Trust me when I say this... This site is extremely refreshing compared to antsmarching.org. And to be honest, Phantasytour.org (The main Phish site) is 100X worse then Ants - so I know exactly what you are talking about and I am 100% for keeping a positive vibe on this site - as well as within the fan base.  

With that being said, I don't know the history of hacksaw's posts so if he is being a troll and I missed it, bravo for calling him out.  However, I have seen a handful of cases on this site where a member expressed some displeasure with the band, and his/her opinion was immediately discounted.  IMO, as long a member is staying constructive; the curtsy should be extended on both sides of the MMJ fence.  A negative opinion can be positively discussed - and after reading your last post, I believe we are on the same page here..

We have had friendly arguments on here just as much as criticisms.

Hacksaw is most definitely a troll. I, myself, am a common troll on other sites (Fark.com has banned me on occasion). We smell our own!

Look in the "off topic" section and see the last two threads he started if you need more proof.

I think our concern here is that while we are generally friendly and whatnot, if cracks start to emerge and we let it go simply because we're not as bad as other forums...well that's how it starts.

[jdbartender]

Criticism is necessary occasionally, constructive criticism that is.

jb, I guess I sorta disagree with the part about the band needing to know what it's audience wants.  I think that's bullshit to some degree.

they should appease themselves before they appease us.  that is the only way they'll make great music.  if they're trying to fit into some mold a bunch of internet geeks try to make them fit in, wtf?  it's not practical.  The best thing in my mind is to let them run.  let them do whatever the fuck they want and embrace them.  they're still a working band for sure, lets not deny this fact.  so to come here like a lot of new people have been doing, and just being straight up arrogant pricks about specific songs, when it's subjective, makes things tense and annoying.  because when it comes down to it, not everybody here has the same favorite song and I think that's fairly obvious to everyone.  we all have different tastes, but respect it when a songs flavor doesn't hit us right I think...

What makes this band play great shows and write great songs is partially due to the positivity and collective feel this crowd/forum has.  

It's a bummer because everyone here is ultra accepting and a lot of people piss on that respect.  which is unfortunate.  

if the music didn't contain spells maybe things would be different.

I hear you to a certain degree...  They should have the freedom to play what ever they want - and since we are the ones going to shows, and buying albums, and posters, and t-shirts and essentially providing them with the finances to keep making music, we have should have the freedom to discuss their music openly and honestly. That doesn't mean with have to be mean spirited about it, but it does mean it is ok to critical from time to time.  And just because we are critical, that doesn't mean we still don't love the band.  We just want them to be the best we know they can be.


As I said before, I have nothing negative to say about this band right now.  I loved the ISM and Z shows, and I had an amazing time!  But at long as the criticism stays constructive people shouldn't be ostracized for having an opinion.

My 2 cents.

Hope everyone had a great time last night!  Wish I was there!

I don't know I still thinking going to any musical performance and feeling like your entitled to something is bullshit straight up.  whether you pay for the concert or it's free.  the same argument helped ruined the dave matthews band fanbase.  The band owes you nothing, they never will no matter what they do really.  

I'm all for freedom to say what you want but somethings the little kids like hacksaw on here say are nonsense.  I'm being very specific to hacksaw's style of posting.  There is a difference between being critical to be a dick and constructive criticism.  It doesn't take a rocket scientists to understand this.  

again being critical assholes is what makes the dave matthews band fanbase suck balls, I know you're from antsmarching.org so I know you know exactly what I'm talking about.  that place is the single worst forum for any band ever created, it's a cesspool of drivel and diatribe about why one person is right and the other person is wrong there is no conversation there.  Anytime this place starts to take on that vibe I will stand up to it because again if you feel entitled to something at an mmj show you probably shouldn't be there.  

all the criticism I've heard so far is personal bitching with the exception that the bass cut out for It Beats 4 U, I see no reason to complain.  even that is a technical issue the band has nothing to do with really.  It's not like they plan for the sound to be shitty.  so whenever I hear people say "this show sucked, the band sucked tonight because the ___ sound wasn't leveled right".  I kinda laugh to myself about it.  Again it's that whole "I think I'm entitled to this and that because I bought all this shit",  attitude that bothers me.  It's straight up delusion.

they owe us nothing.  not a single fucking thingChode was critical but he still came off as positive and well-intentioned.  People like hacksaw are provocateurs, nothing more.  it's annoying to read and more annoying to argue about.  

Trust me when I say this... This site is extremely refreshing compared to antsmarching.org. And to be honest, Phantasytour.org (The main Phish site) is 100X worse then Ants - so I know exactly what you are talking about and I am 100% for keeping a positive vibe on this site - as well as within the fan base.  

With that being said, I don't know the history of hacksaw's posts so if he is being a troll and I missed it, bravo for calling him out.  However, I have seen a handful of cases on this site where a member expressed some displeasure with the band, and his/her opinion was immediately discounted.  IMO, as long a member is staying constructive; the curtsy should be extended on both sides of the MMJ fence.  A negative opinion can be positively discussed - and after reading your last post, I believe we are on the same page here..

We have had friendly arguments on here just as much as criticisms.

Hacksaw is most definitely a troll. I, myself, am a common troll on other sites (Fark.com has banned me on occasion). We smell our own!

Look in the "off topic" section and see the last two threads he started if you need more proof.

I [highlight]think our concern here is that while we are generally friendly and whatnot, if cracks start to emerge and we let it go simply because we're not as bad as other forums...well that's how it starts[/highlight].

I am in full support of this!

[NoVa_NoLa]

Not sure if this review has been posted, but there are some familiar faces in the photos:  http://www.brooklynvegan.com/archives/2010/10/my_morning_jack_25.html