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Well, Boxing is 1 of my favorite sports, so since theres a big time fight tonight, I figured why not start this thread now!!

Im not paying for Pacquiao v. De La Hoya, but Ill be watching it for free on my computer  :)

Should be a great fight. I would expect DLH to win, but would never count out PacMan

I actually just heard the their official weights. At the weigh ins yesterday, DLH came it at 145 and PacMan at 142 (for the agreed upon fight at 147)

Today, DLH is 147.5 and PacMan is 148  :o :o

I think if PacMan wins this, it would be because of his superior speed. Not sure how that much weight gain (namely since his last fight at 135) will affect that. I would expect his power to be as good or better, but hard to say how that will affect his speed.

Cant wait for this!!  :D :D

That was the single best performance Ive seen a boxer put on in quite some time. Not best fight obviously, but best singular boxing clinic.

PacMan is a beast. That probably just got him fighter of the year for 2008 considering he just won a belt in 3 different weight classes this year.

I can only pray Pretty Boy Floyd cant handle hearing how Pac is the best of this generation and comes out of retirement to fight PacMan.

On another note, glad I didnt pay 50$ to watch this  ;D

Boom Boom Mancini is my fighter!

What ever happened to Prince Naseem?

QuoteBoom Boom Mancini is my fighter!

What ever happened to Prince Naseem?

After he suffered his first defeat in 2001 to Marco Antonio Barrera, he basically vanished.

He only had 1 fight afterwards, vs. a no-name opponent, who he did not beat convincingly.

Prince Naseem didnt fight long enough after that 1st loss, but I feel like he is similar to most any British boxer who builds a great record in the UK, only to show once he goes across the pond, he doesnt have that championship caliber skill.

Calzaghe is about the only boxer who has disproved this to a degree. That said, I dont think Joe Calslappy's heritage is secure with his career to this point. He needs a couple more wins in the USA to make him legitimate. He won a controversial win vs. Bernard Hopkins (a fight I think he lost), and he pulverized a Roy Jones Jr. who was once the Pound 4 Pound King due to his speed, not his skill. Something long gone in 2008

If youre from Ohio though Penny, you gotta like Kelly Pavlik though, no??

I got 4 favorite fighters currently/still boxing, and Pavlik is 1 of them. That said, Bernard 'The Executioner' Hopkins is my favorite fighter of all time so I had no regrets with what happened in that fight a month or so back.

Id love to see Pavlik fight Calzaghe though. I think it would be another story, although Id like to see him have a rebound fight first.

ha ha i'm from Youngstown, too. i remember boom boom M. as a kid--the pavlik fight was dissappointing. i guess he was really sick, though. he the only thing good Ytown has going for it right now.  as for Prince Naseem, i remember him in the 90s and then he just dissappeared. He was soooo cocky.

QuoteI think if PacMan wins this, it would be because of his superior speed. Not sure how that much weight gain (namely since his last fight at 135) will affect that. I would expect his power to be as good or better, but hard to say how that will affect his speed.

Cant wait for this!!  :D :D

Punching power doesn't get better when you go up in weight. Normally, it stays the same, so PacMan was at a power disadvantage going into the fight. However, I love the result.

Prince Naseem held an inferior belt and was one of the most arrogant fighters ever... in a sport full of fucking idiot showmen. I loved the Barerra fight. Every fighter gets their just desserts (except Marciano), and Naseem got what he deserved, boxing-wise. He's apparently on the skids now in England, which is sad.

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QuoteBoom Boom Mancini is my fighter!

What ever happened to Prince Naseem?

After he suffered his first defeat in 2001 to Marco Antonio Barrera, he basically vanished.

He only had 1 fight afterwards, vs. a no-name opponent, who he did not beat convincingly.

Prince Naseem didnt fight long enough after that 1st loss, but I feel like he is similar to most any British boxer who builds a great record in the UK, only to show once he goes across the pond, he doesnt have that championship caliber skill.

Calzaghe is about the only boxer who has disproved this to a degree.  

There is some truth to your statement, especially if you look at overseas champs from the 70's and 80's - I'm looking at you Azumah Nelson - but I can't agree with it in general. If you want to go old school fighters, one of my favourite all-time is Barry McGuigan. Ricky Hatton fights everyone and just last night, Carl Froch beat Canadian Jean Pascal for the WBC Super Middleweight belt. I eliminate Lennox Lewis from this list because he's a man of many countries and won a gold medal for Canada at the '88 Olympics.

There's plenty more examples of legit great British and Irish fighters past and present. I don't think you can duck anyone anymore, especially with the proliferation of blood sports like MMA.

QuoteThat was the single best performance Ive seen a boxer put on in quite some time. Not best fight obviously, but best singular boxing clinic.

PacMan is a beast. That probably just got him fighter of the year for 2008 considering he just won a belt in 3 different weight classes this year.

I can only pray Pretty Boy Floyd cant handle hearing how Pac is the best of this generation and comes out of retirement to fight PacMan.

On another note, glad I didnt pay 50$ to watch this  ;D

I want my Mutha 'Uckin money back!!!!! >:(

That said, I agree with you Cap that Pretty Boy may have to come out to fight.  Pacman v Pretty Boy at 147 would be awesome.  It has to happen.

That said, I'm really not even that sure how much of that performance was Pacman (Mexecutioner - i laugh every time) and how much was absolute lack of ability remaining in De La Hoya.  That was pathetic.  Hang em up or fight another superfight with Butterbean for some cash.

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QuoteBoom Boom Mancini is my fighter!

What ever happened to Prince Naseem?

After he suffered his first defeat in 2001 to Marco Antonio Barrera, he basically vanished.

He only had 1 fight afterwards, vs. a no-name opponent, who he did not beat convincingly.

Prince Naseem didnt fight long enough after that 1st loss, but I feel like he is similar to most any British boxer who builds a great record in the UK, only to show once he goes across the pond, he doesnt have that championship caliber skill.

Calzaghe is about the only boxer who has disproved this to a degree.  

There is some truth to your statement, especially if you look at overseas champs from the 70's and 80's - I'm looking at you Azumah Nelson - but I can't agree with it in general. If you want to go old school fighters, one of my favourite all-time is Barry McGuigan. Ricky Hatton fights everyone and just last night, Carl Froch beat Canadian Jean Pascal for the WBC Super Middleweight belt. I eliminate Lennox Lewis from this list because he's a man of many countries and won a gold medal for Canada at the '88 Olympics.

With that statement, I was looking at more the last 30 years or so. Lewis is an obvious exception.

I didnt see that Pascal fight last night, but despite him having the belt, Ive never been too impressed by him.

I wouldnt say that Hatton has fought everybody, but he seems willing to. I hardly thought thoroughly beating 1-Punch Malignaggi was a big win, but at least it was convincing. He got embarassed by PBF and I think PacMan would do the same thing. Whats his best win, Costa Tszyu?

I wouldnt mind seeing him fight Cotto though. That would be an intriguing matchup and Cotto is a smaller welter and Hatton a bigger Jr welter. It could happen, though I hear Margo/Cotto 2 is on the cards for next summer

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QuoteThat was the single best performance Ive seen a boxer put on in quite some time. Not best fight obviously, but best singular boxing clinic.

PacMan is a beast. That probably just got him fighter of the year for 2008 considering he just won a belt in 3 different weight classes this year.

I can only pray Pretty Boy Floyd cant handle hearing how Pac is the best of this generation and comes out of retirement to fight PacMan.

On another note, glad I didnt pay 50$ to watch this  ;D

I want my Mutha 'Uckin money back!!!!! >:(

That said, I agree with you Cap that Pretty Boy may have to come out to fight.  Pacman v Pretty Boy at 147 would be awesome.  It has to happen.

That said, I'm really not even that sure how much of that performance was Pacman (Mexecutioner - i laugh every time) and how much was absolute lack of ability remaining in De La Hoya.  That was pathetic.  Hang em up or fight another superfight with Butterbean for some cash.

Well DLH looked competitive vs PBF just 18 months or so ago, and beat 2LB Forbes convincingly a few months back. Id hardly say he has no ability left. That said, I think it was an off night for him, plus I dont think he actually expected PacMan to be that fast. Im sure he also thought hed be able to land his jab, but with Pac's circling of him and head movement, that wasnt the case.

DLH had no answer for the southpaw's straight lefts. I realize DLH probably hasnt faced a ton of southpaw's, but I had a tough time watching that fight last and thinking - how does this guy only have 5 losses with defensive skills like this?!?

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QuoteThat was the single best performance Ive seen a boxer put on in quite some time. Not best fight obviously, but best singular boxing clinic.

PacMan is a beast. That probably just got him fighter of the year for 2008 considering he just won a belt in 3 different weight classes this year.

I can only pray Pretty Boy Floyd cant handle hearing how Pac is the best of this generation and comes out of retirement to fight PacMan.

On another note, glad I didnt pay 50$ to watch this  ;D

I want my Mutha 'Uckin money back!!!!! >:(

That said, I agree with you Cap that Pretty Boy may have to come out to fight.  Pacman v Pretty Boy at 147 would be awesome.  It has to happen.

That said, I'm really not even that sure how much of that performance was Pacman (Mexecutioner - i laugh every time) and how much was absolute lack of ability remaining in De La Hoya.  That was pathetic.  Hang em up or fight another superfight with Butterbean for some cash.

Well DLH looked competitive vs PBF just 18 months or so ago, and beat 2LB Forbes convincingly a few months back. Id hardly say he has no ability left. That said, I think it was an off night for him, plus I dont think he actually expected PacMan to be that fast. Im sure he also thought hed be able to land his jab, but with Pac's circling of him and head movement, that wasnt the case.

DLH had no answer for the southpaw's straight lefts. I realize DLH probably hasnt faced a ton of southpaw's, but I had a tough time watching that fight last and thinking - how does this guy only have 5 losses with defensive skills like this?!?

Oscar fights differently now - with more recklessness, hence his defensive "issues." He was pretty hard to hit for most of his career. Not anymore.

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QuoteBoom Boom Mancini is my fighter!

What ever happened to Prince Naseem?

After he suffered his first defeat in 2001 to Marco Antonio Barrera, he basically vanished.

He only had 1 fight afterwards, vs. a no-name opponent, who he did not beat convincingly.

Prince Naseem didnt fight long enough after that 1st loss, but I feel like he is similar to most any British boxer who builds a great record in the UK, only to show once he goes across the pond, he doesnt have that championship caliber skill.

Calzaghe is about the only boxer who has disproved this to a degree.  

There is some truth to your statement, especially if you look at overseas champs from the 70's and 80's - I'm looking at you Azumah Nelson - but I can't agree with it in general. If you want to go old school fighters, one of my favourite all-time is Barry McGuigan. Ricky Hatton fights everyone and just last night, Carl Froch beat Canadian Jean Pascal for the WBC Super Middleweight belt. I eliminate Lennox Lewis from this list because he's a man of many countries and won a gold medal for Canada at the '88 Olympics.

With that statement, I was looking at more the last 30 years or so. Lewis is an obvious exception.

I didnt see that Pascal fight last night, but despite him having the belt, Ive never been too impressed by him.

I wouldnt say that Hatton has fought everybody, but he seems willing to. I hardly thought thoroughly beating 1-Punch Malignaggi was a big win, but at least it was convincing. He got embarassed by PBF and I think PacMan would do the same thing. Whats his best win, Costa Tszyu?

I wouldnt mind seeing him fight Cotto though. That would be an intriguing matchup and Cotto is a smaller welter and Hatton a bigger Jr welter. It could happen, though I hear Margo/Cotto 2 is on the cards for next summer

There's a difference between padding a record overseas versus fighting everyone (like Hatton), even if the competition isn't very good. Larry Holmes will forever be linked to a heavyweight division that appeared to be not very strong (although if you go back and look at some of those top fighters from the late 70's through the 80's, minus Biggs, many of them would kick the shit out of the stiffs fighting today).


I generally don't disagree with you though, but building up records in different countries is always suspect, it's just not a British/France/Italian thing. How many times do we see a Panamanian or Argentinian with impressive domestic records fight in NA for the first time? It happens a lot. However, all boxers bloat their records fighting stiffs and many champs traditionally duck tough fighters.

Good call, you might as well call 80% of south american or middle american fighters who fight their 1st fight in NA amateurs when they get here. Theyre even less polished than every other country fighters who build up their records.

And like I said, Hatton seems willing to fight everyone, but he still hasnt had many worthy opponents. He himself up until about 2005 was just another fighter padding his record. Hes fought pretty good competition the last few years, but like I said, whats his signature win?? Tszyu? an over the hill Jose Luis Castillo? Im guessing youre a fan of his (I like him, and especially enjoy/respect his demeanor in the ring and ability to not give an F outside of the ring, then get in shape for his next fight...hes not 1 of my favorites though), but he needs to continue fighting top competition and beating them before I personally consider him a brawler who beats up on lesser competition.

Sadly for him, Jr welter is pretty barren right now. Those things could change somewhat quickly, but Kendall Holt seems like the only tested guy whose done anything. I havent even heard of most of the rest of the fighters near the top.

That said, there is a ton of guys at lightweight - JMM, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz, Julio Diaz, Joel Casamayor, and Michael Katsidis. And we all know how packed the welterwights are right now. Hes got plenty of good fights out there, but will either have to move up or down in weightclasses, or make fights at catch weights.

Nah, I'm not really a fan of his. I was just defending current fighters from overseas. Actually, Max Kellerman believes the most competive country for boxing is Mexico, especially in the mid to lower weights. I normally cheer for humble and exciting fighters no matter where they are from, unless they are Canadian. That being said, Steve Molitor got his come-upins two weeks ago on home soil, losing his IBF super bantamweight title to lesser-known Celestino "Pelenchin" Caballero in a 4th round TKO.

You can make a case that Molitor never fought anyone very tough until his fight two weeks ago (even though he defended his belt legitimately for two years). Boxing critics are also questioning Molitor's trainer - he dumped ex-heavyweight contender Chris Johnson before his last fight.

Molitor won the belt beating an Englishman Michael Hunter in Hunter's hometown of Hartlepool in 2006. Hunter rarely fights outside of England and when Molitor beat him, it proves your theory of overseas fighters  padding their record and not being able to beat a quality NA fighter. I just think Molitor's counter-punching style and his lack of a power-punch did him in more than anything. He's a good boxer though.

Well yeah, when I said SA and MA, I guess I didnt think about Mexico being in MA  ;D. Hes right, tons of great fighters come outta there and are experienced and ready by the time they get here.

Ive heard of Molitor, but never seen him fight. I have seen Caballero, and was not impressed at all. He just looked to me like a poor man's, check that, bankrupt man's Paul Williams. It looked to me the only reason hes a top fighter is due to size and reach and nothing more. His skills arent even that good, but his attributes just give him such a huge advantage (and much moreso than PW at SW or even WW).

Not sure how that factored into that last fight.

He can hit and his size was too much for Molitor. He looked unprepared, which caught the ire of boxing writers and announcers.

Hey.  I'm a bit late to the party, but I am also a boxing fan.  It sucks that it's a sport in such decline these days.  We need a great boxer to revive the sport.  I'm a big fan of older fights.  Hearns v Hagler and Moralles v Castillo are probably my two favorite fights of all-time.  I'm also a pretty big Pretty Boy Floyd fan and wish he stay around longer.  He doesn't get enough attention for just how good he's been.  Oscar is finally done, however.

QuoteHey.  I'm a bit late to the party, but I am also a boxing fan.  It sucks that it's a sport in such decline these days.  We need a great boxer to revive the sport.  I'm a big fan of older fights.  Hearns v Hagler and Moralles v Castillo are probably my two favorite fights of all-time.  I'm also a pretty big Pretty Boy Floyd fan and wish he stay around longer.  He doesn't get enough attention for just how good he's been.  Oscar is finally done, however.

Have you seen the Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Marquez trilogy fights??

The first 2 especially were unbelievable. I forget which of them it was, but 1 of them was FOTY of 2007 by Ring Magazine

...and PBF might be back sooner than you think with PacMan now the cream of the crop

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QuoteHey.  I'm a bit late to the party, but I am also a boxing fan.  It sucks that it's a sport in such decline these days.  We need a great boxer to revive the sport.  I'm a big fan of older fights.  Hearns v Hagler and Moralles v Castillo are probably my two favorite fights of all-time.  I'm also a pretty big Pretty Boy Floyd fan and wish he stay around longer.  He doesn't get enough attention for just how good he's been.  Oscar is finally done, however.

Have you seen the Israel Vazquez vs. Rafael Marquez trilogy fights??

The first 2 especially were unbelievable. I forget which of them it was, but 1 of them was FOTY of 2007 by Ring Magazine

...and PBF might be back sooner than you think with PacMan now the cream of the crop

I saw the first fight but haven't seen the next two. I'll try and track them down.  If PBF had Oscar's personality he'd be the Tiger Woods of Boxing, instead most casual sports fans have barely heard of him.  

I think it's weird that boxing and baseball are losing players due to the popularity of football and basketball.  You would think at least a few people would realize not everyone can be a professional football or basketball player and try lacing up the gloves instead but I guess thinking reasonably and being a young sports star don't necessarily go hand in hand.

I find it funny and sad at the same time that more people know who PBF is because of Dancing with the Stars than Boxing

I also think its retarded that it seems like Heavyweights are the only thing that makes boxing popular in the USA...There are plenty of talented boxers going right now, primarily in the middle weight classes, but it just seems like the sport only really gets coverage anymore only when theres a handful of elite heavyweights or 1 day before a bigtime fight like Pacquiao v. DLH.

Yet HBO and the Promoting companies still make loyal fans pay 60$ to see these big fights.

Maybe if they got their act together and just aired big fights and mega fights on CBS, NBC, or ESPN, they would actually regain popularity and generate more $$$ for the sport.

Hmm...imagine that  >:(

Well, boxing has definitely done it to themselves with years of corruption.  The shitty thing is it's us, the fan, who suffers.  My friend I've always watched/talked boxing with has been an MMA fan since I've known him (10 years or so).  The rise in popularity of that sport just shows what organization can do for a sport.  I hope we see the rebirth of the sweet science, but it ain't looking good.

I know what you mean about the middle weighs, there are some damn good ones out there(although most are getting over-the-hill).  

wasnt saying strictly middleweights, but "middle" weights

kind of like, lightweight through super middleweight

lots of talent there. some getting over the hill, some in their prime, some rising stars. A lot of the best P4P fighters are in this range

Middle and heavyweight have always been the marquee divisions. Having so many rinky-dink belts and having boxing switch mostly to pay-per-view really hurt the sport. MMA took a dent out of boxing too, but the same problems that befell boxing has started to creep up into MMA. And can someone tell me why MMA fans seem to be ex-wrestling fans? Actually, wrestling has suffered more than boxing has with the proliferation of MMA.

Wow...it was an ugly fight, but Evander Holyfield just got screwed out of being the oldest Heavyweight Champ (paper champ, but still) in Boxing history at 46

The judges had it 114-114, 115-114, 116-112 majority decision for Valuev

Holyfield didnt look like he went back in time 15 years or anything, but clearly won. I cant believe the judges were that bad and didnt even have Holy winning on 1 card. Terrible, and sad considering he's 12$ million in debt

I just am stopping in to say thanks to Jaimoe and Captain.  I've been a huge fight fan for about 15 years or so now but decided about 2 years ago to ditch Showtime and HBO because the only reason I even had those channels was to watch fights and it just wasn't worth it anymore when I'm already forking out cash for NFL, FSC and of course MLB extra innings.  Now I am fight deprived and it sucks.  Oh well

Anyways, just wanted to say I thoroughly enjoy your analyses of the current boxing picture!!! :)

QuoteI just am stopping in to say thanks to Jaimoe and Captain.  I've been a huge fight fan for about 15 years or so now but decided about 2 years ago to ditch Showtime and HBO because the only reason I even had those channels was to watch fights and it just wasn't worth it anymore when I'm already forking out cash for NFL, FSC and of course MLB extra innings.  Now I am fight deprived and it sucks.  Oh well

Anyways, just wanted to say I thoroughly enjoy your analyses of the current boxing picture!!! :)

I recommend calling DirecTV a day before a fight you want to watch, and then cancel HBO/SHO on that Monday

Ive done this a couple times and havent had a problem doing it. Itll only cost you a 1-2$ this way too

I forget who it is, but theres a very good fight on HBO in January that I dont think is PPV.

And for PPV, I recommend using justin.tv or channelsurfing.net....they are MONEY

Pretty decent fight about to start on HBO with WBC welterweight champ Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo for anyone whose got HBO

Love watching Berto fight

QuotePretty decent fight about to start on HBO with WBC welterweight champ Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo for anyone whose got HBO

Love watching Berto fight

Enjoy cuz I can't stand watching Collazo fight.  Then again I've only seen Collazo fight Hatton and a portion of the Mosley fight.  Never seen Berto fight

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QuotePretty decent fight about to start on HBO with WBC welterweight champ Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo for anyone whose got HBO

Love watching Berto fight

Enjoy cuz I can't stand watching Collazo fight.  Then again I've only seen Collazo fight Hatton and a portion of the Mosley fight.  Never seen Berto fight

SSM beat Collazo's ass, but at this point SSM is a good bit better than Berto still, and this was easily Berto's biggest test. He's not very seasoned and his belt is the epitome of a paper belt.

That said, the fight was very good. Surprisingly good. The winner of each round almost went back and forth between the two. Berto got dropped in R1 but came back and made it only a 1 point round. IMO won the next couple, but Collazo took a lot of the middle rounds (and Berto lost a questionable point for holding  :-?)...Berto cleaned up the championship rounds though, especially the last 2.

IMO he won a close fight by landing the most power shots and a lot of clean ones, plus ending the fight strong...judges had it 114-113, 114-113, 116-111 Berto...that last card was total BS, and Lederman had Collazo winning by 3 points even.

Awesome fight...Theyre calling it FOTY right now (which means nothing at this point), but itll take a damn good fight to top it for sure.

You ever see that Berto's on, check him out. Hes fun to watch. 24-0 now. 1 of my favorite things about boxing is watching the rising stars move up the ranks, and hes been 1 of them. Still a little raw and needs to work on his D, but hes got crazy speed

I'm psyched for Margarito/Moseley.  It would be too easy for me to predict Margarito with an easy win considering where each are in their respective careers right now.  Here's to a great fight [smiley=beer.gif]

Also glad to see Pacman sign on for Hatton.  At least they'll both make a lot of money.  Who knows, maybe Hatton can at least ugly it up and make it close.  Then again, Mayweather did fine enough and I'm trying to remember any good southpaw besides Collazo that Hatton has faced.  Collazo made Hatton look ehhh.

Not even a fight

Im pumped for Margo/Mosley as well...bout time the had a bigtime fight like this on HBO and not PPV  :o


I think it ends up closer than most think, judging by Margo being -440 favorite which is a lot considering who hes fighting. Sugar Shane has the speed to disrupt Margo, and much better defense than Cotto has/had. He also has something else Cotto didnt have - big fight experience.

I expect Margo to win, but I expect a good fight. If Shane wants to win this, he needs to start out aggressive and not let Margo be the one who sets the tone.

Lets Get Ready to Rumblllllllllllleeeeeeeee!!!!!!

QuoteIm pumped for Margo/Mosley as well...bout time the had a bigtime fight like this on HBO and not PPV  :o


I think it ends up closer than most think, judging by Margo being -440 favorite which is a lot considering who hes fighting. Sugar Shane has the speed to disrupt Margo, and much better defense than Cotto has/had. He also has something else Cotto didnt have - big fight experience.

I expect Margo to win, but I expect a good fight. If Shane wants to win this, he needs to start out aggressive and not let Margo be the one who sets the tone.

Lets Get Ready to Rumblllllllllllleeeeeeeee!!!!!!

I tend to agree with you that this may be closer than many believe.  However, no matter how much experience an man has, you never know what it does to a fighter's psyche when you hit someone with your best and he comes back each time and does you one better.

Margarito TKO 8

The more I think about it you're right.  Cotto's defense was always a nonstop body barrage.  Mosley COULD give him problems with his (not close to what he used to have) speed.  Who knows, this may be the type of matchup that gives Margarito trouble plus for someone his age, he hasn't fought in quite a while.

Hmmmm

QuoteThe more I think about it you're right.  Cotto's defense was always a nonstop body barrage.  Mosley COULD give him problems with his (not close to what he used to have) speed.  Who knows, this may be the type of matchup that gives Margarito trouble plus for someone his age, he hasn't fought in quite a while.

Hmmmm

Exactly. Cotto has absolutely no defense. His defense was his offense and speed. When you face someone like Margo who can take a beating, his 'defense' was exposed.

Mosley has good enough D and is crafty enough to pull this out.

If Margo wins, Id say it goes to the cards. Unless he seriously catches him with one, I dont think hell get a KO before 10

First off, I did say I expected Margarito to win, so I guess I cant gloat...but I put money on Mosley and like I did say, I thought he was being seriously underestimated and his speed would cause problems for Margo.

That said, I didnt expect to see what I saw. Shane didnt just beat Margo, he deconstructed him. He attacked early, and kept the fight at the pace I thought he needed to, to win.



...Also, how about the revelation the announced just about a minute before the fight how officials made Margo retape his hands because they found an illegal substance that hardened with sweat/water  :o

AWESOME!! Just awesome..Not for Margo, but that they actually have people regulating this enough to know if a fighter is doing it or not. Im somewhat surprised whoever did detect it, actually did. Its only speculation if he did it vs. Cotto, but there isnt much reason to think he didnt.


In late 2009, Mosley vs. Cotto is the fight to see

Who would put money on Margarito at -440?

Wow...I imagined that Mosley could pull it off but that was ridiculous.  No need to over analyze an asswhooping.  Hmmm, maybe he needed the concrete in his gloves.  Still wouldn't have helped here.  Just don't know why Margarito couldn't protect his face a little more or whether he was already broken from early in the fight.

Back to the drawing board for Margarito and SSM back again!

Anybody got a link to the Cotto vs Jennings and Pavlik vs. Rubio PPV fights today??

So far my usual sources are sketchy..

Cotto fought some tomato can from across the pond (just like I said Jaimoe, 95% of those Brits are garbage). I didnt expect Cotto to have a major fight in his first fight in 8 months after his first loss, but this guy Jennings was just bad. He was the #1 contender though, so its not Cotto's fault.

Marco Antonio Rubio was a more formidable opponent for Pavlik when comparing the two, but not by too much. Rubio had flashes in the 6th-7th and probably won a round, but this fight was all Kelly Pavlik. Love watching Pavlik fight, 1 of my favorite fighters going, but B-Hop is my favorite ever, so Im kind of glad Hop won that (and I think with Pavlik in his early prime, if he has a very good career, that makes Hopkins resume even more outstanding than it already is). Despite it being a basic lopslide, it was still a good watch if for anything because the fight was in his hometown of Youngstown (shout out to pennylane  [smiley=vrolijk_26.gif]) and the crowd was loud and riled up the whole fight.

Interested to see where each of them go next. and Mosley-Cotto rematch looms somewhere in the near future, Im guessing Cotto gets 1 more win under his belt vs. a legit opponent before that though. Either way, cant wait for that one. I thought Sugar won the first one by a point (but lost on the cards, by split decision I believe)

Wish I saw the fights.  I too love Pavlik

QuoteWish I saw the fights.  I too love Pavlik

Like I said, you didnt miss much from an outstanding fight point of view. It was a joke this was a 45$ PPV (thank god for justin.tv  :)).

If you have HBO though, Im sure theyll air it next saturday like they typically do with PPV

HUUUUUUGE fight tonight between lightweights Juan Manuel Marquez and Juan "Baby Bull" Diaz.

Best thing is, its not even a PPV, you can find it on HBO.

Should be must see, and I think Diaz has a decent chance for the upset.

This fight was unbelievably awesome and fantastic to watch. Ill be stunned if JMMarquez v. Juan Diaz isnt Fight of the Year. Totally reminded me of Corrales-Castillo 1 and to a lesser degree the more recent Vazquez-Rafael Marquez fights. Just a total slugfest from the beginning that just kept going and going and going. Back and forth throughout, and the fight was in Diaz's hometown of Houston to boot.

I wont reveal who won just to give yinz all a few days to catch the replay on HBO because watching fights like this remind me why boxing is 1 of my favorite sports.

THIS IS MUST SEE TV/SPORTS!!!!

Great fight tonight on the HBO.

If you havent seen this young phenom Juan Manuel Lopez, you're missing out. I first saw him probably a year and a half ago, and the guy has crazy talent.

He went into this fight as a beltholder at 122 lbs with three 1st round KO's in a row (ties a record set by Joe Louis and Ali). He didn't win like that tonight, be he was almost more impressive. He got a TKO in the 10th I believe, but his opponent Gerry Penalosa showed unbelievable willpower.

Lopez set the lightweight record for power shots connected in a round with 72 in the 6th round, then goes on to break his own record and lands 84 power shots in the 8th round.

Despite this, Penalosa battled. Lopez landed 422 power shots at a rate of 49%, yet Penalosa was still throwing back in the late rounds. Not sure I've seen someone take such a beating and still throwback like this that deep in a fight.

EDIT: I dont have showtime so I didnt see the Jermain Taylor fight. WOW. I cant believe not only he lost this fight, but got KO'd. Jaimoe - maybe your English fighters are coming on up.  ;)

Does that mean Hatton will beat Pacquiao next weekend?! talk about a great matchup fight. My mind tells me PacMan wins easy, but Hatton in 2009 is a lot different than Oscar 2008/9

I really wish that I could watch the Hatton/Pacquiao fight live but I will be at a wedding instead.  I can't objectively handicap this match where I want Hatton to win so badly.

Hopefully I'll catch a replay

I think its hard to handicap as well because the only decent fighter PacMan has fought within 20 pounds of 140 is Oscar, and he's been washed up for a few years.

Plus, Hatton has a totally different style. Regardless if Pac is landing or not, he's still going to move forward and take it to Manny. He obviously has more power than DLH as well.

Should be a great fight. I hate PPV though. The 1 good thing is they always re-air it on HBO the next saturday, so just watch then or set up your DVR. The thing that sucks is Im sure Ill know who won by then.

Im pumped to see the Miguel Cotto-Joshua Clottey fight thats coming up soon as well. Great matchup and Clottey hasnt lost in awhile, and he beat Margarito unlike Cotto

Quoteha ha i'm from Youngstown, too. i remember boom boom M. as a kid--the pavlik fight was dissappointing. i guess he was really sick, though. he the only thing good Ytown has going for it right now.  as for Prince Naseem, i remember him in the 90s and then he just dissappeared. He was soooo cocky.

Youngstown has plenty good going for it if you count that it produces fine college football coaches such as Bob Stoops!

Really looking forward to Hatton - Pacquiao. Should be a good one. I'm amazed at the number of pundits over here in the UK who are all going for Hatton, especially as the betting in the UK has him as the underdog. Do you think they are told to go for him to sell the fight? Or are they all worried about offending a fellow countryman should he win? On the BBC website about 90% of ex-boxers are going for Hatton. I'm not saying he's not got a chance, I just don't believe all of them!

Personally I think Pac Man's speed and timing will be a little too much for Hatton. Hatton's timing isn't that great, and unless he catches Pacquiao early I can see a late stoppage for the little fella!

By saying most people are "going for" Hatton across the pond, I'm assuming that means they're picking him as opposed to hoping he wins?

I havent seen the spread change this week, it's been -275 PacMan/+215 Hatton since I ever looked at it. I'm sure it'll go one way or the other the next few days, but not sure which. I don't think that's bad odds for either actually, but probably would take Pac with that line.

Like I said, PacMan has never faced anyone this big who is as agressive and powerful as Hatton. He's faced them at 110-120, but not 140. That makes a difference. As long as Hatton picks his places to be aggressive and doesnt take a myriad of power punches like DLH, he has a reasonable chance.

I think it would be hard for him to beat Pac on the cards, but I could be wrong

QuoteBy saying most people are "going for" Hatton across the pond, I'm assuming that means they're picking him as opposed to hoping he wins?

I havent seen the spread change this week, it's been -275 PacMan/+215 Hatton since I ever looked at it. I'm sure it'll go one way or the other the next few days, but not sure which. I don't think that's bad odds for either actually, but probably would take Pac with that line.

Like I said, PacMan has never faced anyone this big who is as agressive and powerful as Hatton. He's faced them at 110-120, but not 140. That makes a difference. As long as Hatton picks his places to be aggressive and doesnt take a myriad of power punches like DLH, he has a reasonable chance.

I think it would be hard for him to beat Pac on the cards, but I could be wrong

Yeah "going for" him means they are picking him to win. But I think some of them can't bring themselves to say they think Pacquiao will win. I reckon they don't want to be seen as anti-British by the public.

I just think its been a long time since Hatton looked like the Hit Man he once was. He's not been catching people cleanly in his last fights, and if he doesn't catch Pacquiao cleanly he's gonna be in trouble. Should be a proper fight though!

One thing that I'm glad about is that I didn't pay to go and watch the fight in Vegas.....which I was actually thinking about.

Once again, the deluded British boxing fans and pundits sit with egg on their faces. Manny Pacquiao was way too good for Ricky Hatton, as was Floyd Mayweather.

Unfortunately, British boxers just don't cut the mustard in comparison to American ones. British boxers generally rely on fitness and conditioning. They don't study the science like the Americans do. Freddie Roach had worked Hatton out perfectly and he walked straight into their trap.

I'd like to see the reaction of all those British pundits saying Hatton would be too big and too powerful for Pacquiao. Speed and timing is always way more effective than brute force, and Pacquiao put it into perfect practice.

He's an all-time great, and a fight with Mayweather would be incredible to watch. I hope it happens.

Damn, I thought this was gonna be a religion bashing thread! Just regular face bashing  :'(

Wow, am I glad I didnt waste $50 on that garbage  ;D

I wanted to go this week without finding out who won it though so I could see it on HBO for free next week, but that lasted until about 8:38AM this morning

Pac is a beast

I cant wait for Mayweather/Juan Manuel Marquez. Now THAT is worth $50.

Something jogged my memory today about this great story I read late last year about my favorite boxer ever Bernard Hopkins and 1 of his fans. Heartwarming story, definitely worth the read.

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=AkzyZOJ4v2D.R0GSjq_NT.w5nYcB?slug=ki-negler110208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

You won't find Shaun Negler's name in the FightFax database, the official record-keeping service of professional boxing.

There are no tapes of any of his memorable wins or stories of epic triumphs left behind. That's because they don't exist. He was robbed of a career in the sport he loved.

But none other than Bernard Hopkins, one of the greatest fighters of this or any generation, will tell you that he hasn't met a tougher, or more courageous, fighter than Shaun Negler.

The improbable friendship between the long-time middleweight champion and the 18-year-old who worshipped him officially ended at 12:15 p.m. EDT on Oct. 23, 2008, when Negler could fight no more and succumbed to a 2½ year battle with cancer.

But Hopkins, who first met Negler in 2006 when he learned that the then-16-year-old had a deadly form of cancer, isn't ready to accept that his friend is gone.

"This kid's soul is still with us," said Hopkins, who served as a pall bearer at Negler's funeral in Philadelphia on Oct. 29. "His spirit lives inside of me and inside a lot of the people I met over these last couple of years."

Negler's mother, Renee, remembered sitting in a doctor's office. It seemed as if she were watching the world on a black-and-white television. Everything seemed so dark.

Several weeks earlier, in a Philadelphia gym in May 2006, her youngest son injured his left ankle as he was preparing for his first fight.

Shaun Negler greatly touched the life of Bernard Hopkins. "He was a winner his whole life and I think he's still a winner," Hopkins said.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

The injury didn't respond to treatment. An MRI was done and on May 30, Shaun and his parents were sitting in a doctor's office, waiting to hear why this ankle was taking so long to heal.

"I just remember it being such a dark room and now, looking back on it, it seems so surreal," said Renee Negler, a 41-year-old loan manager. "There were two doctors there and they came in and seemed to have very solemn looks on their faces. I was looking at Shaunie and he was looking at me. It was the doctors, my husband and Shaunie and I. They said, 'We need to take him to Children's Hospital right away. We found a large mass in his leg.' There was no crying and Shaunie was like, 'OK. No problem. Let's come up with a plan.' He wanted to figure a way to live right away."

He had Ewing's sarcoma, a rare form of cancer which seems mainly to attack teenaged males. Once the cancer begins to metastasize, the survival rate is around 10 percent.

It wasn't good, and everyone in the family, including Shaun, knew it. But no one would cry or moan about his fate, because Shaun would have none of it. He planned a lot of things, including becoming rich and famous. A horrible, grisly death at 18 was not part of the plan.
"This was a guy who was facing death every day but he didn't talk about dying or feel sorry for himself or ask you, 'Why is this happening to me?' " Hopkins said. "I was in camp getting ready to fight [Kelly] Pavlik and I was getting all these text messages from him, encouraging me and pushing me. And this was a guy who had so many problems, that whoever wins or loses a fight should be the last thing he is thinking about."

As death hovered on his doorstep, though, Negler, was, indeed, thinking about a fight. He was fighting to live, but he was also fighting to stay alive to see Hopkins box one last time. A little more than five months earlier, the Negler family attended Hopkins' split decision loss to Joe Calzaghe at the Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas on April 19, 2008.

It was an excruciatingly tight match and the Neglers, who by that point had all grown close with Hopkins, had felt he'd won. But after the fight, they were anxious to go out and see the town.

This was Las Vegas, after all, and they didn't get this opportunity often.

All of them, that is, but one were hoping to go.

"They announced the decision and we all knew Bernard had won that fight. There was no doubt," said Shaun's father, Mike Negler, a 42-year-old Philadelphia police officer. "As the fight was going on, Shaun was pointing out how Calzaghe was throwing a lot of punches, but how they weren't landing and he was showing us how good Bernard's defense really was. When they announced the score, Shaun was absolutely miserable. He was just as upset and as angry as you can imagine.

"He said, 'Oh no, they took it from him. They stole it from him.' And then he didn't want to do anything else. Here we are in Las Vegas. How many people would do anything to be in Vegas like we were and get to go out on a Saturday night and have a good time? And Shaun said, 'Take me to the room.' He wouldn't do anything else. He was so upset."

Hopkins signed to fight Pavlik, the unbeaten middleweight champion, in a bout Oct. 18 at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J. Shaun talked of being at the fight, but his condition had long since worsened to the point where that kind of travel, an hour or so from his home, was not possible.

"You have to understand, they gave this kid two, three weeks to live, and it's 12 weeks and he's still here saying, 'I want to see you beat Kelly Pavlik,' " Hopkins said. "This kid was just amazing. He had a will to live like I've never seen."

Before Hopkins left to begin his training camp, the family had a reunion of sorts. All the family and friends were invited over for what was a chance to essentially say goodbye to Shaun.

He was on borrowed time and was expected to live only for a matter of a few days, if not a couple of weeks. Hopkins, who knew of Shaun's love of cars, attended the outing and brought over his $150,000 Bentley.

But he didn't just park it. He grabbed Shaun, brought him to the car and put him in the front seat. Then he closed the door and turned on the engine.

Shaun Negler named his pit bull puppy "Champ," a name suggested by Bernard Hopkins.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

The two were sitting there, the 43-year-old finely tuned athlete and the 18-year-old whose body was ravaged by cancer, blind in one eye, with a leg amputated because of his disease.

"What the hell you doing?" Hopkins said in mock indignation. "Drive!"
And so Negler began to drive.

"I thought he'd take it down to the bottom of the driveway, turn around and come back," Mike Negler said.

Hopkins, though, knew that wouldn't fulfill the kid's dream. He wanted to take the car onto the road. So, again, Hopkins urged him to drive. Shaun hit the accelerator, believing the car to be in drive.

It was in reverse, however, and landed up on a curb, damaging Hopkins' rims. To this day, the rims are not fixed on the otherwise pristine car, Hopkins' memory of his now-departed friend.

Soon after, Hopkins left for camp and Negler's condition worsened by the hour. But he wanted to see the fight so badly and he talked about it incessantly with his family.

"Shaun was a diehard fan of all the Philadelphia teams," Mike Negler said. "He just was in love with all of them, but Bernard, he fell 1,000 percent for Bernard. He loved boxing and then here's this great fighter from Philadelphia with this incredible story."

Hopkins trained in Miami knowing each day he might get the call he would dread receiving.

On Oct. 18, the day of the bout he was literally staving off death to see, Negler was in excruciating pain – "bone pain," as his mother calls it.

A few months earlier, on the first day he got his prosthesis, he had the therapists put it on and he began walking without any physical therapy. He didn't want it adjusted and demanded that he be driven to his mother's place of work in Delaware.

Normally, it takes weeks of grueling rehabilitative work for someone who had an amputation to be able to walk. On the first day, Negler, whose left leg was amputated at the knee, was driven to his mother's office, walked down the aisle and ambled up to her desk.

"There was something in his body and his spirit made him hang around so he could see me that one last time."

– Bernard Hopkins
on Shaun Negler.
"It took my breath away when I saw him," she said. "He had this big grin on his face and I couldn't breathe."

But now, hours before his friend and idol was to climb into the ring for the fight he so desperately wanted to watch, Negler's pain was so bad, he took the prosthesis off. He was given more drugs to ease the pain.

When the pay-per-view broadcast on HBO began at 9 p.m., he was helped out of bed and literally crawled downstairs on his hands and knees to sit in front of the television.

But he was only able to stay awake for short periods of time.
"At that point, it was like 10, maybe 15 minutes at most," Renee Negler said.

He demanded they wake him up when Hopkins came to the ring. Hopkins' bout began near midnight Eastern time. As Hopkins made his ring walk, the family roused Shaun, who instantly became as alert as he had been at any time in days.

"There was something in his body and his spirit made him hang around so he could see me that one last time," Hopkins said. "As a human being, can you imagine how that makes me feel?"

There were about 20 or 30 people in the house watching the fight. As Hopkins was being introduced, Renee Negler turned toward her son, who had a wan smile across his face and had formed an "X" with his arms, a tribute to Hopkins, whose nickname is "The Executioner."
Hopkins went on to win in a rout in the performance of his life. For one night, he was better than he had ever been. And Shaun Negler, who had been able only to stay awake for 10 minutes at a time, was suddenly alive and vibrant as the fight went on.

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He was shouting at the television as Hopkins pounded Pavlik with powerful punches, cheering his hero on to victory.

Unbeknownst to anyone, Renee Negler had turned on a video camera on her son and captured his reaction during the fight.

He was gleeful throughout as Hopkins performed brilliantly. When the fight ended, Negler needed to go back to sleep.

He turned to his pit bull puppy, whom Hopkins had suggested he named "Champ," and kissed it on the head. He crawled back upstairs and was helped into bed. A few minutes later, he lapsed into unconsciousness and never opened his eyes again.

He died a few days later, in his home. Hopkins, who served a stint in the Pennsylvania penal system on a strong-armed robbery conviction, was torn apart.

"There was a bond between the two of them despite all the differences between them and they loved each other," said Renee Negler, Shaun's mother, on her son and boxer Bernard Hopkins.
(Images courtesy Negler family)

But because of his time in prison, he learned to control his emotions. He never cried publicly because of what he learned while he was in prison.

Hopkins was, however, stung by the loss of someone he considered more than just a friend. He not only served as a pall bearer, he spent hours with the Negler family that day and put the gloves he wore the night he defeated Pavlik into the casket with Shaun.

"It's breathtaking the kindness that is in this man's heart, because it would have been easy for him to meet Shaun, say the right things and move on," Renee Negler said. "But what he did, he did because he cared. And he did because Shaunie and he had some kind of a connection. There was a bond between the two of them despite all the differences between them and they loved each other."

Hopkins said that for as much as he may have given to Shaun and the Neglers, he received much more in return.

"This was a kid who had every reason to feel sorry for himself, who had every reason to give up, and he never once would give in and he never once looked at the dark side of anything," Hopkins said. "He looked at death and said, 'I want to live. And I'm going to make the most of what I have.' And that's what we have to do while we're here on this Earth. Take what you have and do the best you can with it. Look at what this kid was dealt and look what he did with it.

"Cancer did not beat him. He beat cancer, because cancer needed his body to live. He's probably smiling somewhere saying, 'You know, Bernard, I did it. I beat cancer.' This kid wasn't a loser. He was a winner his whole life and I think he's still a winner."

QuoteWow, am I glad I didnt waste $50 on that garbage  ;D

I wanted to go this week without finding out who won it though so I could see it on HBO for free next week, but that lasted until about 8:38AM this morning

Pac is a beast

I cant wait for Mayweather/Juan Manuel Marquez. Now THAT is worth $50.

Agreed on all three.  

I know it won't happen til next year but I don't want Mayweather having any more excuses for 1) ducking Pacman and 2) excuses for losing such as layoff and age.

That shot of Hatton laid out in the center of the ring with no one else in the picture from ring floor height is priceless.  I saw it on TV but I can't find it.

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QuoteWow, am I glad I didnt waste $50 on that garbage  ;D

I wanted to go this week without finding out who won it though so I could see it on HBO for free next week, but that lasted until about 8:38AM this morning

Pac is a beast

I cant wait for Mayweather/Juan Manuel Marquez. Now THAT is worth $50.

Agreed on all three.  

I know it won't happen til next year but I don't want Mayweather having any more excuses for 1) ducking Pacman and 2) excuses for losing such as layoff and age.

That shot of Hatton laid out in the center of the ring with no one else in the picture from ring floor height is priceless.  I saw it on TV but I can't find it.

If he loses vs. JMM, he can use layoff as an excuse. He's still in his prime though, so age isn't a factor.

Obviously I think Floyd is a great boxer, and thats shown by how many weight classes he has belts in, but he really hasn't faced any great boxers (outside of an over the hill DLH). His record has been boosted by fights against weaker opponents/weaker division at the time when he's there or boxers who are just past their prime like DLH or Castillo. JMM is the first great boxer he'll face who isnt past his prime.

And Im fully convinced Floyd retired because he didnt want any of the top WW's at that point (Paul Williams, Cotto, Margarito, hell maybe even Mosley) and he retired so he didnt have to take a chance vs. any of them who all brought something to the table that could make it difficult for Floyd.

I can see him possibly beating JMM, but I dont think he can beat PacMan

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That is awesome. Im totally pulling out the Super Nintendo and playing some Street Fighter later.

HADOKEN!!!

I would pay so much for a fighting video game with Steven Seagal, Bruce Lee, Arnold, Chuck Norris, etc. in it  ;D

Wii Punchout is great!  I didn't know what other thread to put that.  Brought back so many good memories. :)

The Devil And Sonny Liston by Nick Tosches
Send me a pm and you can have the book on one condition....when your finished you give it to someone else....great read

Big fight coming up soon on HBO - Miguel Cotto vs. Joshua Clottey. Clottey IMO is 1 the most underrated welterweight and 1 of the most underrated boxers fighting these days.

Cotto has only won a fight or 2 since his loss to Margarito almost a year ago, and hasnt really faced anyone legit. Cotto is a pretty big favorite at -325, surprising for me because I wouldnt be surprised if he lost.

I wish I got back earlier so I could take Clottey +250, but Im just hoping for a great fight. Lets get ready to RUMBLE.

QuoteBig fight coming up soon on HBO - Miguel Cotto vs. Joshua Clottey. Clottey IMO is 1 the most underrated welterweight and 1 of the most underrated boxers fighting these days.

Cotto has only won a fight or 2 since his loss to Margarito almost a year ago, and hasnt really faced anyone legit. Cotto is a pretty big favorite at -325, surprising for me because I wouldnt be surprised if he lost.

I wish I got back earlier so I could take Clottey +250, but Im just hoping for a great fight. Lets get ready to RUMBLE.

It was a good fight and I credit Cotto for fighting through that ridiculous gash over his left eye.  Clottey looked good enough but every fight I've seen him in, his lack of true power seems to be his downfall as he isn't a pure boxer but doesn't have one punch power to really hurt someone.  Nonetheless a good fight but Cotto didn't show me much either other than heart.  Talk that him and Pacman might deal is interesting.

I don't agree that Cotto is too big for Pacman but I guess it depends on the weight they agree on.  

Just watched the Froch/Taylor replay on Showtime and THAT was a GREAT FIGHT!  It was textbook Taylor but it was the 1st time I saw Froch fight.  What a clumsy, awkward fighter but what a chin.  

I recommend watching the replay on demand on Showtime if anyone hasn't seen it.

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QuoteBig fight coming up soon on HBO - Miguel Cotto vs. Joshua Clottey. Clottey IMO is 1 the most underrated welterweight and 1 of the most underrated boxers fighting these days.

Cotto has only won a fight or 2 since his loss to Margarito almost a year ago, and hasnt really faced anyone legit. Cotto is a pretty big favorite at -325, surprising for me because I wouldnt be surprised if he lost.

I wish I got back earlier so I could take Clottey +250, but Im just hoping for a great fight. Lets get ready to RUMBLE.

It was a good fight and I credit Cotto for fighting through that ridiculous gash over his left eye.  Clottey looked good enough but every fight I've seen him in, his lack of true power seems to be his downfall as he isn't a pure boxer but doesn't have one punch power to really hurt someone.  Nonetheless a good fight but Cotto didn't show me much either other than heart.  Talk that him and Pacman might deal is interesting.

I don't agree that Cotto is too big for Pacman but I guess it depends on the weight they agree on.  

Ive had my doubts about Cotto, but I actually thought he showed me a lot in that fight. A few of the early rounds Clottey looked to be executing his gameplan to a tee, and despite Cotto getting that wicked gash, most of the last 8 rounds he really took Clottey out of any rhythm. Clottey's power is definitely lacking, but that guy is a tough matchup for anybody. Considering the cut Cotto had for 9 rounds and Clottey being very good defensively, I thought Cotto looked very good in maintaining a win there. That 116-11 scorecard was bogus though. Id probably even say the 115-112 one was too.

I think a Cotto/Pacman fight would be awesome.

QuoteJust watched the Froch/Taylor replay on Showtime and THAT was a GREAT FIGHT!  It was textbook Taylor but it was the 1st time I saw Froch fight.  What a clumsy, awkward fighter but what a chin.  

I recommend watching the replay on demand on Showtime if anyone hasn't seen it.

Havent seen this fight because I dont have Sho  :-/

Never seen Froch fight but I figured JT wouldve been easy money that fight  ;D....his career is pretty much over.

This Ortiz/Maidana fight replay on HBO2E right now is sweet.

QuoteThis Ortiz/Maidana fight replay on HBO2E right now is sweet.

I had this on my DVR and it was coming up next on my schedule so I figured you may have posted about this fight.

I consider myself a pretty avid boxing fan, and its hard to keep up with it like other sports because ESPN barely covers current boxing, but I had never heard of Victor Ortiz until the last couple weeks. I watched Friday Night Fights a few days ago and Oscar was ring side, and he pretty much called Ortiz the next big thing. Okay.

As for this fight, in the 1st I had flashbacks of Rafael Marquez/Israel Vazquez. Awesome. After that, Ortiz looked like he had the fight in hand after the 2nd. I dont know if after that he thought he had it in the bag or what, but nowhere in the fight did he show me actual skills. He never controlled the fight, never tried to hold Maidana off with a jab, and his defense looked terrible. Add in with that he didnt have the heart to keep fighting a fight he was still possibly winning on the cards.

Maybe he'll rebound big, but outside of his power, I didnt see one thing that tells me Ortiz will be near the top of whatever division he's at as long as he's facing legit opponents.

As I just said, I was watching Friday Night Fights on friday, and I first heard of another fighter that night besides Victor Ortiz. That fighter is Danny Jacobs.

Unlike Ortiz, Danny Jacobs really impressed me. I realize his opponent wasnt as good, but I push that to the wayside until the future. Jacobs is a 6'1'' middleweight out of Brooklyn. 4 Time Gold Gloves champ of NYC. He looks small, or at least lanky for a middleweight, but he has the speed of a welterweight and based on what I saw he looks destined for some big time fights. He's only been a pro for 18 months, but he's 17-0 (almost a fight every month?! are you kidding me?!!) after this fight a few days ago, with 15 KO's. In the FNF pre-fight interviews, he even said his KO statline isnt his style and he believes he is a speed fighter and speed kills, and he definitely stuck to that gameplan in his last fight. The WBA actually has him ranked as the #8 middleweight contender already.

It happens very rarely, but this guy made me a fan after 1 fight and I definitely wont miss his next one thats on TV.

I looked for a highlight clip on youtube, but couldnt find any. This is only 1 round from a previous fight, but I think it displays his speed and ability very well. Dude has skills.

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Sad day in boxing. Arturo Gatti found dead in his hotel in Brazil. Dude just retired like a year or 2 ago and was only 37  :-/

FYI, ESPN classic is airing I think they said 7 great Gatti fights, starting tomorrow at like 6 or 7 PM. Im sure the Gatti-Micky Ward trilogy will be 3 of them.

Anyone care about Roy Jones anymore? Jamoie?  He's a home town boy so I still have to pull for him even though he should have hung it up abou four years ago. Should be decent fight though (jeff lacy).  

QuoteAnyone care about Roy Jones anymore? Jamoie?  He's a home town boy so I still have to pull for him even though he should have hung it up abou four years ago. Should be decent fight though (jeff lacy).  

I didnt even know about this fight until 2 days ago. I doubt id even watch it if it was just on HBO or SHO, but $35 for it?! You gotta be kiddin me!!

RJJ is far past his prime. His biggest weapon was his speed, and thats long gone. Lacy doesnt have a big win on his resume, and has been unimpressive since his loss to Calslappy a few yrs ago. He's pretty much just a name.

Id expect RJJ to win

Lacy is a Tampa /St Pete kid. Fight should be pretty boring. Probably go the distance with Jones getting a decision and them both getting a PAYCHECK. Could probably catch it at a local bar but as far as pay per view numbers I would imagine this isn't a big seller.

I thought Lacy's career was over three times.  Well this should do it.  He's got the hand speed of a super heavy, the skill of a barroom brawler and the brain of a Desert Tortoise.  Not good for a 168-175 lb fighter

Not forking over the cash tonight but I hope PBF gets his face reconfigured!

I know my chances of making it a week without hearing who won slim to none, but here's to that. And I hope PBF lost as well.

Not having any TV will help hopefully

Watched the PBF - Marquez fight yesterday. Love him or hate him PBF is one of the greatest boxers of all time. His speed and footwork is amazing.

That said, why do journalists keep going on about this Pound-For-Pound bullshit?

PBF is a great fighter at his weight. So is Marquez, but he was always going to struggle moving up two weight divisions to fight PBF. The same goes for Pac Man. Moving up that much to fight PBF will be too much for him I'm sure. He'll get the pay day, as Marquez did, but I think it will be one step up in weight too far.

If anyone can give PBF a fight it will be Pac Man, but if he were to lose I don't think it would really detract from his reputation as an all time great.

We should just feel lucky that there are still fighters like PBF, Pac Man, and Marquez around.

Finally caught the PBF-JMM fight, what a disappointment. I thought PBF would win, but after being off for so long I thought maybe JMM had a shot. Not that Juan "Baby Bull" Diaz is a slouch, but Diaz was dominating JMM the first 6 or so rounds of that fight (I think he even got a KD in the first or second round), and it wasnt because he was a smarter fighter, its because he was faster, busier, and looked to have more power. Go up 10lbs or so to where the PBF fight was, and JMM's at an even bigger disadvantage speed and power wise.

Id like to see PBF fight PacMan eventually, and I agree, Pac would have a better shot at beating him since he has more power, speed, and is agressive. Or couse he still would have to connect though.

What I most want to see is PBF-Mosley, or Cotto. I want to see him against a legit welter, not PacMan. PacMan-Cotto should be a good fight. Clottey is a tought guy to beat, and Cotto looked very good against him. Cotto seems to be even better against smaller opponents. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Cotto beats PacMan, which would seriously deflate the anticipation of a PBF-PacMan fight. Id love to see PBF against my boy Paul Williams, but he's fighting at middleweight right now (and I doubt he ever goes back down all the way to 147).

I most want to see PBF vs Mosley though since Mosley isnt getting any younger, and is easily the most experienced and difficult fight for PBF at this moment. According to what PBF said to Lampley before the Klitschko-Arreola fight, PBF doesnt want any either.


(and after watching Vitali fight and dominate Arreola, I would seriously love to see the Klitschko's square off. They dont get any love because they arent American and there hasnt been a better than average HW since Lennox Lewis retired, but I think both are more talented than theyre given credit for. Vitali said he mainly came back for a rematch vs. Lennox - dont see that happening, but Id watch it if it happened).

Just saw that the Paul Williams-Pavlik fight is off because Pavlik pulled out due to a hand injury...DAMNIT!

Cant wait for Chad Dawson-Glen Johnson II next week though...I think Dawson wins in convincing fashion this time.

Rumor is he might replace Jermain Taylor in the Super Six World Boxing Classic. Havent had any discussion on the S6WBC in here, but I think its a fantastic idea. You cant ask for better talent than what they got for it - Taylor, Arthur Abraham, Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, Carl Froch, and Mikkel Kessler. Im actually surprised the undefeated American up and comers Dirrell and Ward decided to enter it with such stiff competition and not much of a resume.

The first 2 fights in the tournament were a couple weeks ago. Taylor already got KO'd by Abraham and Froch beat Dirrell on a SD.

...Speaking of the Dawson fight, how about this upcoming schedule in boxing..1 thing I love, is they always seem to end the year with a bang  :o

Oct 31: Agbeko-Perez (for Agbeko's title)
Nov 7: Dawson-Johnson II (for vacant LH title)
          Haye-Valuev (for Valuev's HW title)
Nov 14: PacMan-Cotto
Nov 21: Kessler-Ward (for Kessler's SM title and point in Super 6)
            Edison Miranda-TBA
Nov 28: Bute-Andrade II (for Bute's SM title..1st fight was great)
            Joan Guzman-Ali Funeka (for vacant LW title)
Dec 2: Hopkins-Ornelas
          RJJ-Green
           -BHop and RJJ tuneup fights before they fight early 2010
Dec 5: Paul Williams-TBA
          Arreola-TBA
Dec 12: Vitali Klitschko-Johnson (for Vitali's HW title)
           Tim Bradley-Lamont Peterson (for Bradleys' JW title)
           Darchinyan-Rojas (for Vic's JB title)

Best thing about it is the Pacman-Cotto fight is the only one that is PPV  :o

QuoteJust saw that the Paul Williams-Pavlik fight is off because Pavlik pulled out due to a hand injury...DAMNIT!

Cant wait for Chad Dawson-Glen Johnson II next week though...I think Dawson wins in convincing fashion this time.

Rumor is he might replace Jermain Taylor in the Super Six World Boxing Classic. Havent had any discussion on the S6WBC in here, but I think its a fantastic idea. You cant ask for better talent than what they got for it - Taylor, Arthur Abraham, Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, Carl Froch, and Mikkel Kessler. Im actually surprised the undefeated American up and comers Dirrell and Ward decided to enter it with such stiff competition and not much of a resume.

The first 2 fights in the tournament were a couple weeks ago. Taylor already got KO'd by Abraham and Froch beat Dirrell on a SD.

The Super Six is a great idea!  The first two fights shown together on the same night, one in Germany for Abraham and one in England for Froch, was one of the best nights of boxing I'd seen in a long, long time.

Unlike Froch's win against Taylor earlier, Abraham was in control, biding his time, knowing that he would eventually take over.  It went exactly to prefight prognostications.

The Dirrel Froch fight was a whole different animal and it truly was a split decision that could have gone either way.  While I personally believed that Dirrell won the fight, the way Froch argued why he deserved his victory after the fight was very convincing.  The judges clearly were looking for the aggressor who wanted to fight vs. the speed puncher who hit and run and hit and held.  Though Dirrell was clearly the more talented fighter, I'm glad that overly cowardly tactics were not rewarded.  Looking forward to "robot" Kessler's fight.

Debating whether to purchase Cotto/Pacquaio :-/

If I had the $$$ id def get the Pacman-Cotto fight. Should be a great one.

Agbeko-Perez was a FOTY candidate on saturday. Perez upset him with a UD win, but he scored a KD in I think the 11th round (a round Agbeko was winning) due to a headbutt that wasnt called. That might have been the difference in the fight. I wouldve given Perez the win by the slightest of margins, but the scorecards were all like 116-111 or something. It was much closer than that. Id expect a rematch due to the controversy and how good of a fight it was.

Cant wait for my boy Chad Dawson this weekend  8-)

Damn....Dawson schooled Glen Johnson. I cant believe 2 cards had it 115-113 Dawson. I couldnt give Johnson more than 2 rounds in that fight, and I think Lederman only gave him one. Considering how close their first fight was, I think Dawson really showed that he's still just getting better.

I think B-Hop will school RJJ in their rematch. Id love to see Dawson go against B-Hop, but I dont think B-Hop wants any of that, and B-Hop is my favorite fighter of all time. I do think B-Hop could beat him, but Id have to favor Dawson.

I think going down in weight for the Super 6 if Taylor pulled out would drain him too much. I'd love to see it, especially since there is no competition for him at LH besides B-Hop, but not sure if its a good move.

IMO, the biggest reason Calzaghe retired is because he knew if he stuck around another year or 2, he pretty much would have to go against Dawson. I think Dawson would own him.

gotta disagree on the hopkins jones outcome

but.. we all know that calzaghe was a badass but a badass who never stepped up his game and only fought bums or people past their primes

Quotegotta disagree on the hopkins jones outcome

but.. we all know that calzaghe was a badass but a badass who never stepped up his game and only fought bums or people past their primes

Calzaghe was a ducker and will never be regarded as the great unbeaten fighter that he thinks he is. I understand that fighters need to make money, but he'd made plenty and still refused to fight the best. Unfortunately the British media big him up in order to make money themselves, and the British punters fell for it.

Looking forward to Pacquiao v Cotto this weekend. I believe Pacquiao is going to be way too fast and skilful and will win with a stoppage.

Go Pac Man!

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QuoteJust saw that the Paul Williams-Pavlik fight is off because Pavlik pulled out due to a hand injury...DAMNIT!

Cant wait for Chad Dawson-Glen Johnson II next week though...I think Dawson wins in convincing fashion this time.

Rumor is he might replace Jermain Taylor in the Super Six World Boxing Classic. Havent had any discussion on the S6WBC in here, but I think its a fantastic idea. You cant ask for better talent than what they got for it - Taylor, Arthur Abraham, Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, Carl Froch, and Mikkel Kessler. Im actually surprised the undefeated American up and comers Dirrell and Ward decided to enter it with such stiff competition and not much of a resume.

The first 2 fights in the tournament were a couple weeks ago. Taylor already got KO'd by Abraham and Froch beat Dirrell on a SD.

The Super Six is a great idea!  The first two fights shown together on the same night, one in Germany for Abraham and one in England for Froch, was one of the best nights of boxing I'd seen in a long, long time.

Unlike Froch's win against Taylor earlier, Abraham was in control, biding his time, knowing that he would eventually take over.  It went exactly to prefight prognostications.

The Dirrel Froch fight was a whole different animal and it truly was a split decision that could have gone either way.  While I personally believed that Dirrell won the fight, the way Froch argued why he deserved his victory after the fight was very convincing.  The judges clearly were looking for the aggressor who wanted to fight vs. the speed puncher who hit and run and hit and held.  Though Dirrell was clearly the more talented fighter, I'm glad that overly cowardly tactics were not rewarded.  Looking forward to "robot" Kessler's fight.

Debating whether to purchase Cotto/Pacquaio :-/

I didn't see the Dirrell v Froch fight but its an interesting and relevant point that you make about judges looking for the aggressor and Froch getting the win.

I don't know if anybody over the pond saw the Heavyweight title fight between Nicolai Valuev and Britain's David Haye (it probably wasn't big news over there) but it again highlights the fickle nature of Britain's boxing fans. Generally British fans subscribe to your point of view that the aggressive fighter should be favoured over the skilful, defensive boxer. Ricky Hatton is a case in point. He is loved over here, and although he isn't that skilful he is lauded for his "have a go" attitude. Yet when Haye spent 12 rounds running away from Valuev last weekend and nicking a points decision the British boxing forums were filled with fans talking about boxing being about skill, not getting hit, and landing clean punches. They totally changed their view point when Valuev was the aggressor.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Valuev is out of the picture, and I like David Haye. He's gunning for the Kiltchko's and I believe he's got a real chance. The Klitchko's don't like getting hit. You can sometimes see the fear in their eyes when they are fighting. And Haye can punch! If he lands they will be in trouble.

I think you will be seeing more of him in the US next year.

damn pacman DOMINATED i thought it would be close and was kind of disappointed it wasnt oh well now we wait for mayweather to step up

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it took 12 but nice call

I didn't see the fight but was catching the Dan Rafael round by round updates and look forward to watching the replay.  Mayweather HAS to step up now.  There is nowhere else for either of them to go.

Quotegotta disagree on the hopkins jones outcome

why so?

RJJ's career was built on his speed, not his technique. I really dont think it will be all that close. Maybe it will be, but I cant see RJJ beating B-Hop at this point.

...and when RJJ beat him in their first fight, B-Hop wasnt anywhere close to the skill level his is now and really hadnt had any big fights.

Either way, cant wait for the rematch

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Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Valuev is out of the picture, and I like David Haye. He's gunning for the Kiltchko's and I believe he's got a real chance. The Klitchko's don't like getting hit. You can sometimes see the fear in their eyes when they are fighting. And Haye can punch! If he lands they will be in trouble.

I think you will be seeing more of him in the US next year.

I just want some HW to come into the picture and at least give a Klit a good fight. I thought Arreola could maybe do that, but Vitaly dominated

QuoteI didn't see the fight but was catching the Dan Rafael round by round updates and look forward to watching the replay.  Mayweather HAS to step up now.  There is nowhere else for either of them to go.

Havent seen it either yet, but its going to happen. Theres been more buzz in the media this week than I expected.

I heard that they want to host it at Yankee stadium, which I kind of like but kind of dont. Id hate to see weather be a factor and postpone it.

I think it would be sweet if they fought somewhere outside of the US (Philippines notwithstanding)...I think that would generate even more attention globally than everyone already knows it will.

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QuoteJust saw that the Paul Williams-Pavlik fight is off because Pavlik pulled out due to a hand injury...DAMNIT!

Cant wait for Chad Dawson-Glen Johnson II next week though...I think Dawson wins in convincing fashion this time.

Rumor is he might replace Jermain Taylor in the Super Six World Boxing Classic. Havent had any discussion on the S6WBC in here, but I think its a fantastic idea. You cant ask for better talent than what they got for it - Taylor, Arthur Abraham, Andre Dirrell, Andre Ward, Carl Froch, and Mikkel Kessler. Im actually surprised the undefeated American up and comers Dirrell and Ward decided to enter it with such stiff competition and not much of a resume.

The first 2 fights in the tournament were a couple weeks ago. Taylor already got KO'd by Abraham and Froch beat Dirrell on a SD.

The Super Six is a great idea!  The first two fights shown together on the same night, one in Germany for Abraham and one in England for Froch, was one of the best nights of boxing I'd seen in a long, long time.

Unlike Froch's win against Taylor earlier, Abraham was in control, biding his time, knowing that he would eventually take over.  It went exactly to prefight prognostications.

The Dirrel Froch fight was a whole different animal and it truly was a split decision that could have gone either way.  While I personally believed that Dirrell won the fight, the way Froch argued why he deserved his victory after the fight was very convincing.  The judges clearly were looking for the aggressor who wanted to fight vs. the speed puncher who hit and run and hit and held.  Though Dirrell was clearly the more talented fighter, I'm glad that overly cowardly tactics were not rewarded.  Looking forward to "robot" Kessler's fight.

Debating whether to purchase Cotto/Pacquaio :-/

I didn't see the Dirrell v Froch fight but its an interesting and relevant point that you make about judges looking for the aggressor and Froch getting the win.

I don't know if anybody over the pond saw the Heavyweight title fight between Nicolai Valuev and Britain's David Haye (it probably wasn't big news over there) but it again highlights the fickle nature of Britain's boxing fans. Generally British fans subscribe to your point of view that the aggressive fighter should be favoured over the skilful, defensive boxer. Ricky Hatton is a case in point. He is loved over here, and although he isn't that skilful he is lauded for his "have a go" attitude. Yet when Haye spent 12 rounds running away from Valuev last weekend and nicking a points decision the British boxing forums were filled with fans talking about boxing being about skill, not getting hit, and landing clean punches. They totally changed their view point when Valuev was the aggressor.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Valuev is out of the picture, and I like David Haye. He's gunning for the Kiltchko's and I believe he's got a real chance. The Klitchko's don't like getting hit. You can sometimes see the fear in their eyes when they are fighting. And Haye can punch! If he lands they will be in trouble.

I think you will be seeing more of him in the US next year.

I have yet to see Haye fight.  I can't believe that Valuev was the aggressor.  As for the Klitschkos, I feels as if Vitali is much more willing to take a punch than Wladimir.  The younger one has learned to use his size and reach to protect his chin since the Corrie Sanders debacle and the fight after that.  Emmanuel Steward has done an amazing job with him.

As for the Super 6, I'm looking forward to the Kessler/Ward fight this weekend.  I think it is an extraordinary matchup.  I never saw the Ward/Miranda fight so I'm not sure how Ward looked against top competition though I know he beat him.  Kessler is a protypical European, in the box, punching machine.  I'm wondering if Kessler's jab and straight right and methodical nature will get to the younger Ward or if Ward's skill will prevail.  Fantastic stuff!

Kessler-Ward should be some sweet stuff tonight. Kessler is only a (-205), and IMO Ward is a pretty big wildcard. I dont think Kessler will KO him, but I think it could be anywhere from Ward winning 117-111 to the other way around.

Clearly Vegas thinks its a pretty even match with Ward having a good shot at an upset.

QuoteKessler-Ward should be some sweet stuff tonight. Kessler is only a (-205), and IMO Ward is a pretty big wildcard. I dont think Kessler will KO him, but I think it could be anywhere from Ward winning 117-111 to the other way around.

Clearly Vegas thinks its a pretty even match with Ward having a good shot at an upset.

Yeah this is gonna be awesome.  I'm gonna be out of town til late tonight so I am DVRing both the Ward/Kessler and Pacquaio/Cotto rematch which are playing at the same time.  Should be a great evening of boxing!

Watching Pacquaio is the best!  During is destruction of Cotto, I kept thinking about how he would match up with Mayweather and I have to think he would have a very good shot, particularly if he can maintain such a high energy level.  As Emanuel Steward said a couple of times, the thing I was most impressed with was Pacman's ability to take a shot.  Cotto landed heavy early in the fight and it didn't faze Pacman.  That is what has me the most convinced that this Mayweather fight is a toss up.

As for the Super 6, Andre Ward destroyed Mikkel Kessler.  Yes there were more than one questionable headbutts by Ward that really harmed Kessler but it really didn't matter.  From the beginning, Kessler just had nothing and as Bernstein harped on, he made no adjustments to the quicker Ward.  Kessler was really exposed here.  It'll be interesting to see how he bounces back.

He was a little bitch in his post fight interview blaming his loss on fighting in the states and the referee.

Still haven't watched the Pac-Cotto fight since I already know the outcome but def will fire that up on the DVR sometime in the next month.

I knew Ward was good, but he totally deconstructed Kessler. Showed a lot of techniques/ideas you usually only see in guys much more experienced than him (although his amateur experience is significantly more than most) and that I've never seen from him. He looked exactly like he had in all of his other fights that Ive seen - totally comfortable, moving in and out, switching to southpaw and back, etc. I just cant believe he was able to make it look as easy vs. Kessler as he did vs. all of his other opponents. Amazing.

Ward and Abraham have to be the favorites and I hope to see that fight in the finals, but I'll take it in the semis. Ward-Dirrell should be good and an interesting watch as well and they def will fight in Stage 3.

And since Bute owned Andrade in their fight last week, I almost guarantee the winner of the Super 6 will have a title fight vs. Bute.

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Finally caught the Dirrell-Froch fight on replay tonight.

I started watching from round 3, but....

-I had it 5-3 Dirrell for those 10 rounds, and thought 6-2 wouldnt have been out of line
-I scored the 10th round 9-9. Taking a point away from Dirrell - without warning mind you - was complete BS. Add in that both fighters (Dirrell holding, Froch with the back of the head punches) were frequently doing the do, it made even less sense. Dirrell really came on after that happened and dominated the 10th and 11th
-I thought the 12th was 10-10...Froch did what he did most of the 2nd half, but Dirrell had 2-3 combos similar to the rest of the fight and I couldnt pick either in the 12th.

Postfight, Froch kind of came off like Kessler to me. He didnt get beat that bad, granted, but he gave Dirrell little credit. He claimed to be the aggressor, but when he was that, the times he actually connected were few and far between. Some of Dirrell's best punches came after getting out of Froch's desperate flurries.

All in all, I doubt the first 2 rounds would change my mind. Unless Froch won the first 2 convincingly (which didnt happen in any round I gave him), I think Dirrell got robbed of a victory....and thats without having ever seen either guy fight before and having a bias

I know what you're sayin Headdy.  I thought that Dirrell won the fight.  However, his hitting and holding, while perhaps sound strategy, should not be rewarded.  He could have used his speed and technical skill to clinically picking him apart without resorting to those tactics.  It led to such a staggered fight with no pace or feel.  Dirrell is the better fighter but I was OK with them giving it to Froch, particularly because it was across the pond.

Sick weekend to end the year in boxing.

Vitali's snoozefest of a fight...first fight in awhile Ive literally fast forwarded multiple rounds just to see if anything happened later on. Nothing did. I think Kevin Johnson only landed like 65 punches and threw around 200-300

Victor Ortiz beat some past his prime fighter for his comeback KO win. Yeah, he seems to have some power and shows some flashes, but fighting in probably the deepest division in boxing, he's nowhere near being a contender.

Vic Darchinyan once again dominated some mexican who looked like I could snap him in half. I didnt see Darchinyan's losses to Donaire or Agbeko, but he is unbelievably dominant in every fight Ive seen. If he fights his fight and isnt too aggressive and leaves himself open (which he did in those only 2 losses apparently), I dont see how the guy loses. Unbelievable power for a junior bantamweight. P4P, IMO he might have the most power in boxing.

Tim Bradley-Lamont Peterson was a fantastic fight like it was supposed to be, although the scorecards were too far apart to call it a FOTY candidate, which it couldve been. First time Ive seen Peterson fight, and I was impressed. I think he'll continue to improve and hang around for awhile as a legit Jr welter or welter. As for Bradley, Ive seen his last 3-4 fights and that dude just gets better and better. He owned Nate Campbell in what ended up being a NC because of a headbutt, but it was clear Bradley was on another level in just 3 rounds. Like I said, I like Peterson, and I think he might get overlooked for awhile bc of how good Bradley looked, but I think right now Bradley is a legit Top 10 P4P fighter. Has very good power, great speed, good chin, elite quickness. He pretty much has it all, especially when he sticks to the gameplan. I think he mops the floor with any current Jr welters, and Sugar Shane, PBF, and Pacman are the only welters Id say beat him - and I could see Bradley beating all of them actually. "Desert Storm" is an apt nickname  ;D

Last but not least, Malignaggi-Juan Diaz II. Somehow I missed the first fight, so no comment on that. Totally agreed with the cards and Kellerman with that fight being 8-4, and that was with Diaz winning the last 2 rounds. Ive never been very impressed with Malignaggi, but I thought he looked great and fought as well and as intelligent as Ive ever seen him. As for Diaz, I dont know what happened to that dude. Just 2 years ago, he looked nearly unbeatable with how many punches he threw and a relentless style, and now he just doesnt look like the same fighter to me. He was actually beating JMM in their fight earlier this year IMO before he lost his focus and got KO'd (in what is in the conversation for FOTY for me), and now he just got embarrassed by Malignaggi and his speed. Im sure that speed had something to do with Diaz not being as aggressive and active, but Malignaggi for much of the fight just made him look lost in the ring. I never wouldve expected Malignaggi to beat him that bad, doing the same thing, round after round. Im not sure if Diaz has what it takes to pick himself up and get back to what made him so great and feared.

PBF-Pacman is off

There's too much money for this not to happen, probably just later this year, but still  >:( >:( >:(

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Quotegotta disagree on the hopkins jones outcome

why so?

RJJ's career was built on his speed, not his technique. I really dont think it will be all that close. Maybe it will be, but I cant see RJJ beating B-Hop at this point.

...and when RJJ beat him in their first fight, B-Hop wasnt anywhere close to the skill level his is now and really hadnt had any big fights.

Either way, cant wait for the rematch

Apparently RJJ got TKO'd in the 1st round by the tomato can he fought, so his rematch with B-Hop is off. Kind of angry, as I wanted B-Hop to get his revenge and put a whoopin on RJJ

...still think RJJ would beat B-Hop??  :D

Awesome...Sugar Shane-PBF is the fight I wanted to see happen before PBF fights Pacman

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4870999

One thing bad about boxing being great the last month or two of the year is nothing happens the first couple months. Finally tonight we got a good one.

I think Clottey is probably the most underrated welter, but Pac has been on such a tear the last couple years I dont see him being the guy to derail Pacman. His only chance is landing some big uppercuts or some powerful counterpunches if Pac gets careless or tries to go for the KO, but I think Pac's speed in the end will be too much.

Pacman decision, probably 116-112, maybe 117-111

QuoteOne thing bad about boxing being great the last month or two of the year is nothing happens the first couple months. Finally tonight we got a good one.

I think Clottey is probably the most underrated welter, but Pac has been on such a tear the last couple years I dont see him being the guy to derail Pacman. His only chance is landing some big uppercuts or some powerful counterpunches if Pac gets careless or tries to go for the KO, but I think Pac's speed in the end will be too much.

Pacman decision, probably 116-112, maybe 117-111

Not sure it'll go the distance.  As long as Pacman is still juicin', I think it'll get stopped in the later rounds.  I was thinkin' about getting the fight but am going to see the local band the Bridge tonight.  By the way Headdy, I think you'd like 'em.  They've been vets of the smaller jam band scene and they bring it every time.

I dunno. Clottey is very good defensively, doesnt throw enough to really leave himself open, and has a good chin. I dont think he's ever even been knocked down let alone KO'd. For Pacman to KO him, thats saying something.

Im not going to pay for it, especially since the undercards suck too, but Im probably going to look for a feed on the interwebs

QuoteI dunno. Clottey is very good defensively, doesnt throw enough to really leave himself open, and has a good chin. I dont think he's ever even been knocked down let alone KO'd. For Pacman to KO him, thats saying something.

Im not going to pay for it, especially since the undercards suck too, but Im probably going to look for a feed on the interwebs

Good call man.  Kind of sucks when Clottey doesn't even try to win the fight though.  I really didn't see Clottey going down as much as the ref stopping it over an accumulation of punches.

Yeah, so I know Clottey is a defensive counterpuncher, but he didnt even look like he wanted to try to win. I kept thinking he'd start to open it up more, but it just never happened. Clottey is easily the #5-#6 welter right now, and Manny just embarrassed him. Assuming PBF beats Mosley (IMO Mosley has a decent shot in this if he fights smart), I think Pac destroying Clottey like that makes a fight against PBF that much more interesting.

In a more interesting fight, I watched the fight I had DVR'd from last saturday: Devon Alexander-Juan Urango. Urango was a huge step up for Alexander in terms of a quality opponent, but Alexander stuck to his plan, used his speed, and looked like a seasoned vet in there. Cant wait to see him fight more top guys in a loaded jr welter weight class. He's not ready for him yet, but I'd love to see him fight Tim Bradley in a couple years.

Didnt even realize there were any fights tonight, but there are a bunch

Arthur Abraham/Andre Dirrell
Ali Funeka/Joan Guzman
Marcos Maidana/Victor Cayo

Def pumped for the Super 6 fight. Kind of surprised Abraham is only favored -200, but Dirrell did look pretty good against Froch. I dont get why they arent having another Super 6 fight to go with it tonight though. And apparently JT officially dropped out because Andre Ward is fighting Allan Green in June. Didnt know that

Interested to see how that Funeka-Guzman rematch pans out as their fight last year was a draw and Funeka got a little hosed on the cards. The last fight im least intrigued by, but Ive never seen Cayo before so ill watch it for that. Im not sold of Maidana either, and he's a -500 favorite. Cayo +325 would seem like a good bet if I knew anything about him.

I guess Erik Morales is fighting tonight too?! I thought El Terrible retired  :-?

just caught the latest pavlik fight........ man lucian bute is a beast

Quotejust caught the latest pavlik fight........ man lucian bute is a beast

and edison miranda is a joke!! I wish Bute took JT's spot in the Super 6.

Wow...I got a lot of fights to recap including last night  :o

I'll probably forget some fights because I think there's been a couple every saturday for a month straight, but....

Dirrell-King Arthur: Dirrell just deconstructed him. I couldnt believe what I was seeing and that even before this fight Ward had become the odds on favorite to win the Super 6 despite Abe being 1 point ahead of him. Makes sense now. Dirty shot on Dirrell got Abe DQ'd in the 10th or so round in a fight where Abe didnt win more than 2 rounds if that. Cant wait to see Ward-Dirrell and where Abe goes after the first fight he hasnt looked invincible.

Funeka-Guzman: Guzman looked much better than their 1st fight. Not sure if it was because he knew what to expect from Funeka, was in better shape, or both, but he won a split decision. I had Guzman winning by a round. 2 cards were 114-113, 1 for each fighter, other was a questionable 116-111 for Guzman.

Maidana-Cayo: 1st time Ive seen Cayo fight. He showed a lot to like, but he was just way to raw and inexperienced for Maidana. Maidana convinced me he's legit with this fight, and now has a shot at the spotlight with a fight against Timothy Bradley July 17th, who is IMO the class of a crowded Jr Welterweight division

Berto-Quintana: Berto's skill and talent become more apparent as the fight went on, despite suffering a torn left bicep in the fight. He looked rusty early, but pulled it all together as the fight went on with a convincing TKO in the 8th. I want to see Berto fight Cotto or Clottey next, because he's clearly better than the rest of the division outside of the Big 3, but Clottey or Cotto would easily be his biggest test to date. He's still at least a year away from having a shot at beating Mosley, Pac, or PBF in my eyes.

Celestino Caballero-Yordan: CC destroyed the green Yordan. He's a tough matchup for any featherweight because of his height and punch activity. Im sure JuanMa Lopez and Gamboa will stay clear of him for awhile, but Id love to see either of them matched up against CC. Ponce De Leon would be nice too but he's fighting on the PBF-Mosley undercard.

Bute-Miranda: Miranda was supposed to be new and improved and not just looking for the one punch KO. He looked a little better, and the fight was farely close before Bute's 3rd round KO, but it was pretty clear Bute just outclasses Miranda. Bute has a solid beard too. Sucks he's not in the Super 6, even moreso because there isnt much competition for him. It looks like hell fight ex-Contender Sakio Bika in a mandatory fight next though, which should be a good one.

Martinez-Pavlik: When I saw the line on this I couldnt believe Pavlik was the favorite. I quickly put money on Martinez. Pavlik really came on in the middle rounds and surprised me, he seemed to figure out Martinez and get into a rhythm. As the fight wore on though, Pavlik's 2 heavily bleeding cuts didnt give him a chance, and he said that really affected him late. Despite this outcome, I liked what I saw out of Pavlik and IMO he's still the 3rd best Middleweight. But Martinez and my boy Paul Williams and 2 of the best P4P, so I dont see him getting a belt anytime soon. Maybe a move up to Super Middleweight is in the near future?

Alfredo Angulo-Joel Julio: I dont think Ive ever seen Julio fight before. He looked good against heavy hitter Angulo, but got away from his gameplan after round 5 or so, wasnt throwing enough, both of which lead to Angulo continually moving in on him and controlling the fight until winning by TKO in the 11th. Angulo is slowly impressing me more, but he still looks like a poor man's Margarito to me. He wins the fights he's supposed to, but his only real opposition to this point has been Kermit Cintron, and Cintron schooled him. IMO, any fighter with speed, some power, and a decent jab will beat Angulo on a consistent basis. That said, his nickname "El Perro" is apt and Id love to see him go against Cotto. Now that would be a dogfight.

Chris Arreola-Tomasz Adamek: Before this fight, I thought this was Arreola's chance to show if he's for real or if he's just a fat heavyweight with a lot of power who can KO fighters who cant box. Well, it appears he is more the latter. Adamek is a very good fighter, but he's a natural Cruiserweight, if not Lt Heavyweight. The fight was close, I had it 7-5 Adamek, Arreola looked good in the middle rounds, but if he's the real deal this is a fight he's got to win. I like his personality, but after getting embarrassed by Vitali and looking like the less skilled fighter vs Adamek, he clearly isnt elite. Getting into better shape certainly couldnt hurt.

Froch-Kessler: The fight I most wanted to see last night, and it lived up to that hype. FOTY candidate. Entertaining the whole way thru, each fighter looked like he was ready to open up a few round lead but the next round that wasnt the case. I questioned Froch's win over Dirrell, but I actually thought he won this fight 7-5. Plenty of close rounds though, and Im not surprised at all Kessler got the decision since the fight was in Denmark and he needed the win to have a chance at advaning to the Super 6 semi-finals. Either way, I now realize although nothing about him will blow you away, he's an incredibly tough matchup for any fighter and he has a great chin and deceptive hand speed. Bring on the next Super 6 fight!! Anyone else see this one last night?

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I most want to see PBF vs Mosley though since Mosley isnt getting any younger, and is easily the most experienced and difficult fight for PBF at this moment. According to what PBF said to Lampley before the Klitschko-Arreola fight, PBF doesnt want any either.

Well this is the fight I wanted...Mayweather-Mosley, on May Day...Kind of pissed im going to miss it, but if there is a reason to miss it, a Jacket show has got to be the best one.

I think Mosley has a very good shot at an upset decision win

Mayweather was on JRIB yesterday. As usual, he was entertaining and funny.
Rome: So do you think this could be a legacy fight?
PBF: Well, I dont know, Jim..Mosley might not even have a HOF career because he dibbled and dabbled in performance enhancing drugs and even admitted so  ;D
........during an argument of GOAT, PBF kept saying he was the best ever while Rome was like "really?!...better than Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson?" and PBF got to a boiling point and busted out "opinions are like assholes, man. everyone's got one"

24/7 has been pretty good. PBF is entertaining, but he gets to the point of annoying, especially against a guy who is humble for a boxer in Mosley. I hope Mosley KTFO's him

my local movie theater is playing the fight....but i have to work..... :'(

Somehow I made it until friday without knowing who won PBF-Mosley when some bastard said PBF won. Although I was mad, after watching that snoozefest last night it didnt bother me anymore. Cant believe how bad Mosley got his ass beat. If he had any shot, he needed to throw like a mad man and get inside on PBF. He did neither, and PBF picked him apart. After destroying JMM and Mosley, PBF is starting to get more respect from me after building up an undefeated record against below average competition.

I was psyched for my boy Paul Williams fight last night, but what a joke? I dont know how they could go to the cards after only 3 rounds. Cintron looked like Greg Louganis out there. Im not sure if he could have jumped further out of the ring, let alone milk it to the point of needing a stretcher and then acting like he's ready to fight again once he's in it. Hah!

If PBF has the stones to fight Paul Williams, I'll jizz in my pants

Alright fight fans!  Vazquez/Marquez is THE greatest boxing trilogy I have ever witnessed.  In fact, it's not even close.  Directv had the trilogy on replay so I DVRd them and am going to watch them again before tonight's fourtology! ;D

Anyone else interested in this.  These guys are why I still love boxing.

QuoteAlright fight fans!  Vazquez/Marquez is THE greatest boxing trilogy I have ever witnessed.  In fact, it's not even close.  Directv had the trilogy on replay so I DVRd them and am going to watch them again before tonight's fourtology! ;D

Anyone else interested in this.  These guys are why I still love boxing.

Of course! I did the same thing and DVR'd them as well. Vazquez-Marquez 1 was right around when I was really getting into boxing and that fight may have sealed the deal as it being maybe my favorite sport after football now. I couldve swore I saw an ad that said this was going to be PPV, and based on the first 3 fights it probably should be, but thank god it isnt, and its not a fight that I could see non-hardcore fans paying for anyway.

After a couple of intriguing fights last week (Khan-Malignaggi, Victor Ortiz-Campbell) that both turned into blowouts, I think this is just the fight to have that has no chance of sucking. Yohnny Perez-Abner Mares should be a good undercard as well

Judging by how that fight went, Id say thats the last Vazquez-Marquez fight. If I wouldve seen Vazquez before the fight and saw that his eye was still swollen, I wouldve put big money on Marquez. Love that they brought up Marquez-Darchinyan, that would be awesome and a sure slugfest as well. Id love to see Marquez against Gamboa, Chris John, or JuanMa Lopez too.

Although that was disappointing compared to the rest of the trilogy, that Perez-Mares fight was very good I thought. I personally had it 114-113 Mares (and I even put money on Perez), but I'm cool with a draw as Im sure there will be a rematch now. Never saw Mares fight before, looks good, and I was really impressed with how he came on the last few rounds.

Reports of Miguel Cotto's demise have been greatly exaggerated

QuoteReports of Miguel Cotto's demise have been greatly exaggerated

Yuri Foreman? ::)  Not that I know what I'm talking about.

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QuoteReports of Miguel Cotto's demise have been greatly exaggerated

Yuri Foreman? ::)  Not that I know what I'm talking about.

Well, Im just saying that ESPN's main page last week said Cotto is at a crossroads, and a lot of people seemed to have brushed him off their P4P lists and such, but when it comes down to it, the only guys he has lost to are Pac and a brickfisted Margo. So at this point, I think Cotto is underrated and overlooked. Lots of potential very good matchups for him at 154 too. Id love to see him fight Angulo.

Any idea what the moneyline on the fight was? I have a feeling it was like -450 Cotto, but as I was breaking this fight down I couldnt figure out how Cotto could lose this fight, so I wanted to put $$$ on it but forgot

And no, I dont think Foreman is anything all that special

Forget best pound 4 pound, Pac is approaching Top 10 GOAT status.

QuoteForget best pound 4 pound, Pac is approaching Top 10 GOAT status.

Already has IMO aqnd easily at that.  If he were to fight and beat Mayweather, top 5 for sure.  8 weight classes?!  :o. Hasn't ducked anyone

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QuoteForget best pound 4 pound, Pac is approaching Top 10 GOAT status.

Already has IMO aqnd easily at that.  If he were to fight and beat Mayweather, top 5 for sure.  8 weight classes?!  :o. Hasn't ducked anyone

And he's gotten better with age. Started professionally fighting when he was 16, and his only loss since he was 21 was the first fight in the Morales trilogy where Morales won a 115-113 UD (and from what I recall, I think Morales deserved it) where he went on to KO Morales in the following 2 fights, notably the 3rd round in the final fight and you could probably say Pac ended his career. Has that memorable trilogy, plus memorable multi fights with Barrera and JMM.

Seriously unbelievable he started out fighting at 106 lbs and just won a world title in the 154lb weight class. If he is actually clean, he is a freak.

all of you fucking jocks are tripping me out with this thread.  every once in awhile I forget it's a sports thread and think it's about cool science stuff.  Where's Yac? We need to start a bad ass science thread.  you fucking meatheads wouldn't last a second in the ring with me.  

my boy Paul Williams is back on HBO tonight with the rematch against Sergio Martinez..Based on how the 2nd half of the fight last year went, I gotta favor Martinez here despite Big Pun Williams being arguably my favorite boxer going these days. Martinez knows what to expect this time, and appeared to figure out Williams as the fight went on while landing a ton of power shots...I think Martinez by decision but Ill be rooting for Williams. Their fight last year was my 2009 FOTY, I hope this one lives up to what that one was.

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Lots of good fights tonight...Caballero-Litzau, Berto-Hernandez, Ward-Bika, JMM-Katsidis, Abraham-Froch.

Well those first 2 should be blowouts although Cabellero has never impressed me and appeared to win based on height/reach. SOG I like by decision over Bika who is always tough but Ward should roll, and the last 2 fights should be the best of the bunch thanks to Katsidis' power and Froch's ability to outpoint anybody thanks to his awkward style. JMM still has too much talent for Katsidis. I think Abraham might have been telecasted by Dirrell as far as how he can be beat. Froch doesnt have that kind of speed, but he'll bring a style to the table that Abe hasnt gone against.

First PPV Ive paid for since BHop-Calslappy I think. I respect Mayweather's talent, but he's been ducking Pac for almost 2 years now, if not more. Ortiz had what looks like an intentional headbutt, but PBF's 2 cheapshots were ridiculous. Borderline worse than Abraham clocking Dirrell when he was down. Unreal.

I thought Ortiz was a pussy after giving into Maidana, but Ive now become a fan. I think he wouldve walked thru PBF's punches for 12 rounds and Floyd didnt want to take that punishment for 12 rounds.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Sep 18, 2011, 01:04 AM
First PPV Ive paid for since BHop-Calslappy I think. I respect Mayweather's talent, but he's been ducking Pac for almost 2 years now, if not more. Ortiz had what looks like an intentional headbutt, but PBF's 2 cheapshots were ridiculous. Borderline worse than Abraham clocking Dirrell when he was down. Unreal.

I thought Ortiz was a pussy after giving into Maidana, but Ive now become a fan. I think he wouldve walked thru PBF's punches for 12 rounds and Floyd didnt want to take that punishment for 12 rounds.

Loss of words.  I agree with you Scotty that Ortiz had it in him, particularly the damage he was starting to do in the 4th.  I would have had it 2-2 after four.  Unfortunately, Ortiz went with the bush league move.  I was yelling all fight that it looked like he was going for the unintentional intentional butt.  It's just sad he went for it when he was actually changing the tide of the bout.  While what Mayweather did was crap, it wasn't beneath him and was within the rules.  I have more an issue with Joe Cortez for either giving a warning or deducting from Ortiz while not separating and calling time properly.

All in all a sad ending thinking what could have been.  It was the most I've seen Mayweather hit and bullied early in a fight ever.

Yeah, this not only had the makings of a great fight, but it actually looked like it after 3.5 rounds. I had it 2-1 PBF (3rd was def his best) and most likely wouldve had it even as well after 4. Supposedly PBF handpicked Ortiz, however this fight looked like either PBF technically outshines him on his way to a decision or gets KO'd late. I really cant picture other options.

I didnt notice Ortiz going for the headbutt before it actually happened in earlier rounds, but I think my boy B-Hop would even admit to that being a blatant headbutt. If you didnt see, Cortez is actually looking/talking to someone outside the ring right after the "its cool hug/fist touch" He separated them, but turned his head, PBF gives Vic a left hook, Ortiz looks at Cortez who is still looking outside the ring, and then clocks him with the last shot.

PBF has ducked tons of guys for over 5 years now. When Lampley referenced Chico Corrales 2001, he was right. Ever since, PBF has fought has been names or guys he clearly outclassed. Even going into this fight, I though Ortiz had a real chance considering PBF has never fought a legit young welter with power, and then after hearing Ortiz went up to 164 overnight, I thought Ortiz' chances rose since PBF had better hand speed to begin with. Looked like Ortiz thought he could win during the fight as well. Im bummed, but a rematch or Pac next should be the only 2 options for PBF. Hard to say the fight was fixed, but Vic didnt seemed too pissed after losing, especially after how everything went down. Kind of made me think.

...and down goes Frazier

RIP Joe Frazier

I smoke on the mic like Smokin' Joe Frazier


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Ho-leee crap.

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Quote from: The DARK on Dec 09, 2012, 02:04 AM
Ho-leee crap.

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I cant wait to move out from my aunt & uncles...No HBO or SHO is brutal, I miss boxing

Quote from: capt. scotty on Dec 15, 2012, 10:41 PM

Quote from: The DARK on Dec 09, 2012, 02:04 AM
Ho-leee crap.

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I cant wait to move out from my aunt & uncles...No HBO or SHO is brutal, I miss boxing

Good performance for a 39 year old! http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/12/07/manny-pacquiao-juan-manuel-marquez-weigh-in/1754903/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2012/12/07/manny-pacquiao-juan-manuel-marquez-weigh-in/1754903/)

must...see...froch v ward....

Quote from: bearass on Feb 12, 2013, 03:12 PM
must...see...froch v ward....

Ward is the deal
Andre Ward vs Carl Froch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NONHi_1_-1Y#)

maaaan carl froch looked like a fuckin machine when he beat down lucian bute
(who i hyped and hyped), and andre ward is a stud, that rematch has me drooling. i hope that neither of them fight kessler though

what are your thoughts on adrien broner, ive only seen the short highlights from his last fight but it looks like hes got the quicks, might need to beef up a little. worth the hype?

Quote from: bearass on Feb 15, 2013, 12:42 AM
what are your thoughts on adrien broner, ive only seen the short highlights from his last fight but it looks like hes got the quicks, might need to beef up a little. worth the hype?

First off, Kessler is a joke.

I've only seen the Broner/Escobedo fight and he looked every bit the part but I have no other point of reference and I'd never seen Escobedo fight before.

Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 15, 2013, 12:46 AM

Quote from: bearass on Feb 15, 2013, 12:42 AM
what are your thoughts on adrien broner, ive only seen the short highlights from his last fight but it looks like hes got the quicks, might need to beef up a little. worth the hype?

First off, Kessler is a joke.

I've only seen the Broner/Escobedo fight and he looked every bit the part but I have no other point of reference and I'd never seen Escobedo fight before.

well doodoo looks like its kessler/froch II  :angry:

Quote from: bearass on Feb 15, 2013, 12:49 AM

Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 15, 2013, 12:46 AM

Quote from: bearass on Feb 15, 2013, 12:42 AM
what are your thoughts on adrien broner, ive only seen the short highlights from his last fight but it looks like hes got the quicks, might need to beef up a little. worth the hype?

First off, Kessler is a joke.

I've only seen the Broner/Escobedo fight and he looked every bit the part but I have no other point of reference and I'd never seen Escobedo fight before.

well doodoo looks like its kessler/froch II  :angry:

Thankfully the wife is a huge fight fan that enjoys random no name fights.  That said, she cracks up every time she hears the name Broner.  I'm a lucky one.

hehe broner

Quote from: bearass on Feb 15, 2013, 12:53 AM
hehe broner

happy valentines day...Broner

I'm pretty out of the loop these days in the fight world 'cept for some showtime fights.  Where's Headdy?  He's still on top of all this.

there has been a serious lack of fights lately really. showtime has had some of the best ones ive seen in recent memory. like i said i was super high on lucian bute, but he looked like he had no concept of defense

Quote from: bearass on Feb 15, 2013, 12:59 AM
there has been a serious lack of fights lately really. showtime has had some of the best ones ive seen in recent memory. like i said i was super high on lucian bute, but he looked like he had no concept of defense

seen Bute's name around but never seen him fight

he was a super smooth lefty with a killer hook and uppercut...i love this ko
Lucian Bute KO's Edison Miranda ; Slick Southpaw Style ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzn-coSxT0Y#ws)

Quote from: bearass on Feb 15, 2013, 01:05 AM
he was a super smooth lefty with a killer hook and uppercut...i love this ko
Lucian Bute KO's Edison Miranda ; Slick Southpaw Style ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzn-coSxT0Y#ws)

that one looked shady!  i've seen Miranda against Pavlik, Abraham, and Ward and he's a chump.  I will keep my eye out for Bute in the future.

Looks like Mayweathers next fight will be against Devon Alexander.  Not the name anyone wanted to hear I'm sure, I still think Canelo earned his right to fight Floyd, but the guy is a champ nonetheless.

Quote from: bearass on Feb 15, 2013, 12:42 AM
what are your thoughts on adrien broner, ive only seen the short highlights from his last fight but it looks like hes got the quicks, might need to beef up a little. worth the hype?

Ive seen 4 or 5 of Broner's fights, and he's the real deal. Granted, most of those were when he was just starting to make a name on undercard HBO fights so he far outclassed his competition, but his combination of power and speed is ridiculous, also very good defensively. I dont see any great wins on his resume, but Ponce De Leon is a decent one and his last win over an underrated Anotonio Demarco is a pretty good one. He had never been KO'd before and is still considered a top 5 lightweight. He really has no competition at lightweight right now, I love to see him move down or have a catch weight fight with Gamboa, but I suspect a move up to Jr Welter will be happening soon as that wt class is loaded with big time fight options - Danny Garcia, Brandon Rios, Amir Khan, Lucas Matthysse.

And of course Broner is on HBO tonight. Never heard of the guy he's fighting but he's a top 10 lightweight.

Quote from: Ruckus on Feb 15, 2013, 12:56 AM
I'm pretty out of the loop these days in the fight world 'cept for some showtime fights.  Where's Headdy?  He's still on top of all this.

Im totally out of the loop after not having HBO or SHO for 9 months at my relatives' house. I dont think I saw more than 1 or 2 fights and that was just on a random weekend I wouldve been home, didnt see any of the big ones. Excited for the Broner fight tonight although I expect he'll dominate considering Ive seen him anywhere from a -3000 to -5000 favorite  :grin:

Looks like Sakio Bika's on the undercard and his fights are usually pretty entertaining though.

Quote from: bearass on Feb 15, 2013, 12:40 AM
maaaan carl froch looked like a fuckin machine when he beat down lucian bute
(who i hyped and hyped), and andre ward is a stud, that rematch has me drooling. i hope that neither of them fight kessler though

And there's another fight I had no clue that happened or the outcome. Froch is a tough SOB but Im surprised to see he not only beat but KO'd Bute. Ever since the Andrade I fight, Bute had looked unstoppable for 4 years and I saw most of those fights. Looking back though, they were mostly bums besides Glen Johnson who hasnt won a fight since then.

I bet Ward-Froch II would be a PPV

Quote from: Murph on Feb 15, 2013, 01:25 PM
Looks like Mayweathers next fight will be against Devon Alexander.  Not the name anyone wanted to hear I'm sure, I still think Canelo earned his right to fight Floyd, but the guy is a champ nonetheless.

I was becoming a fan of Alexander's until his fight against Bradley when he seemingly gave up pretty early on when things got rough. Since then though, I see he's beaten Maidana and Matthysse which are 2 really good wins. I actually like the matchup but fully expect PBF to win. Considering Pac is coming off back to back losses, now wasnt the time for that fight to finally happen, and since PBF has already beaten JMM Im not intrigued to see that one again really. Sergio Martinez is the guy Id really want to see Floyd fight, but besides him Bradley and Alexander probably make the most sense right now.

As for Canelo, Id still like to see another couple big fights/wins before he gets a shot at PBF. He only has a couple notable wins - Mosley is 2-4-1 since his loss to Cotto in 2007, and Cintron Ive never really thought much of. Frankly I cant wait to see Alvarez fight Austin Trout in May, a fight Id much rather see than Alvarez-Mayweather at this point.

Yeah, Im ready to see Broner vs the best. He has the talent, but can he show it vs legit competition?!

That Rees guy threw some mighty punches for a couple rounds, but Broner just was feeling it out and toying with him it seemed like to me, plus blocking many of them. He hit the ignition in the 3rd, and Rees was down next round.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Feb 16, 2013, 04:59 PM

Quote from: Murph on Feb 15, 2013, 01:25 PM
Looks like Mayweathers next fight will be against Devon Alexander.  Not the name anyone wanted to hear I'm sure, I still think Canelo earned his right to fight Floyd, but the guy is a champ nonetheless.

I was becoming a fan of Alexander's until his fight against Bradley when he seemingly gave up pretty early on when things got rough. Since then though, I see he's beaten Maidana and Matthysse which are 2 really good wins. I actually like the matchup but fully expect PBF to win. Considering Pac is coming off back to back losses, now wasnt the time for that fight to finally happen, and since PBF has already beaten JMM Im not intrigued to see that one again really. Sergio Martinez is the guy Id really want to see Floyd fight, but besides him Bradley and Alexander probably make the most sense right now.

As for Canelo, Id still like to see another couple big fights/wins before he gets a shot at PBF. He only has a couple notable wins - Mosley is 2-4-1 since his loss to Cotto in 2007, and Cintron Ive never really thought much of. Frankly I cant wait to see Alvarez fight Austin Trout in May, a fight Id much rather see than Alvarez-Mayweather at this point.

...aaaand he's going to end up fighting Robert Guerrero, the last guy I thought he would because of his resume (or lack thereof) and next to no name recognition by the public. Hell, Ive never even seen 1 of his fights.

I dig the 6 fight in 30 months contract with SHO/CBS though. Floyd hasnt fought twice in a year since 2007 and now he's going to for the next 3 years.

My favorite fighter ever, maybe his last fight, lets go B-Hop. The Executioner has to go out on top!!!

(http://www.bestboxingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Hopkins-as-Executioner.jpg)

Still  :bath: of Hopkins decisive ownage of Cloud the other week, but please tell me someone caught the fights on HBO saturday?! If you didnt, run to your TV and DVR the replay which HBO is sure to air a few times this week.

Undercard of 2 undefeated welterweights Jessie Vargas-Wale Omotoso was very good, I believe 2 judges had it a 3 point margin, 1 had it 5. I thought it was closer than all of those. Very good fight, round 4 possibly a candidate for Round of the Year.

But the Tim Bradley Jr-Provodnikov might almost made it forgettable. I didnt see the Pacman-Bradley fight from last year, but know about the controversial decision. I had been a fan of Bradley's for awhile, but this fight puts him up there with my favorite fighters now. Guy has more heart and determination than anyone out there probably, just would not quit and I cant believe he wasnt KO'd. Post fight he said he had a concussion, and I dont think he was lying. My score was 114-113, which 2 of the official scores were as well. Tons of action, drama, and disbelief for me. Round 2 is probably a candidate for Round of the Year as well, but this has to be the front runner for Fight Of The Year, and if it doesnt end up being that, boxing surely has another great fight to come this year. Best fight I recall seeing since a couple of the Marquez-Vazquez fights a few years ago. Id love a Bradley-Provodnikov or Bradley-Pacman rematch.

Yup, the Bradley/Provadnikov fight was the type of fight that reminded me why I still love the sport despite all its flaws.  I think if I gave Provodnikov the 11th, it would have been 114/113 for Bradley.  Regardless, the knockdown that wasn't called in the 1st round denied Provadnikov of a majority draw.  This was a classic volume v. thunder fight and scoring round by round, I do believe Bradley deserved the victory but Provadnikov was the one that did the real damage.  Had he not rested so much in the mid rounds (the result of Bradley's body work), he may have pulled one out to change the result.  Were they to fight again, I imagine Provadnikov would have to incorporate some early body work to his strategy.  He has hooking power in both hands and that may have slowed down Bradley a bit.  Conversely, Bradley would never try to trade with him early if they were to rematch.

I still ruled the 1st round 10-8 for Provodnikov despite the ref calling that a slip. Im not sure if the official scorecards still had that, but I think you could still give him a 10-8 round because of how much he dominated it regardless of that not being ruled a knockdown. I thought Bradley won every round from 3-11 except one (6th or 7th I think, dont recall exactly). Good point of both having a different approach if they were to fight again, Id bet it would still be quite entertaining though.

Rios-Alvarado II this weekend. Missed the first one but supposedly it was a back and forth brawl as well.

I watched it again and I had it 113-113 with both the first and second going to Provodnikov 10-8 plus I gave him the 6th.  I think you can make an argument for him in the 10 and 11 as well.

The judges did not give him 10-8 in the 1st.

I came in expecting science and I see a lot of boxing talk. How did the thread switch? Also, how is there so much and so in-depth talk about boxing, but nothing on MMA??

Boxing is just punches: jabs, crosses, uppercuts, and hooks :rolleyes:. MMA is all of those plus head kicks, side kicks, knees from the clinch, flying knees, knees on the ground, grappling, intricate submissions, throws and takedowns :cheesy:

Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Mar 29, 2013, 12:33 AM
I came in expecting science and I see a lot of boxing talk. How did the thread switch? Also, how is there so much and so in-depth talk about boxing, but nothing on MMA??

Boxing is just punches: jabs, crosses, uppercuts, and hooks :rolleyes:. MMA is all of those plus head kicks, side kicks, knees from the clinch, flying knees, knees on the ground, grappling, intricate submissions, throws and takedowns :cheesy:

Boxing is the Sweet Science

MMA can blow me. If you wanna talk MMA, theres "Other Sports Thread" I created it for a reason

Quote from: capt. scotty on Mar 29, 2013, 12:43 AM

Quote from: Mahgeetah34 on Mar 29, 2013, 12:33 AM
I came in expecting science and I see a lot of boxing talk. How did the thread switch? Also, how is there so much and so in-depth talk about boxing, but nothing on MMA??

Boxing is just punches: jabs, crosses, uppercuts, and hooks :rolleyes:. MMA is all of those plus head kicks, side kicks, knees from the clinch, flying knees, knees on the ground, grappling, intricate submissions, throws and takedowns :cheesy:

Boxing is the Sweet Science

MMA can blow me. If you wanna talk MMA, theres "Other Sports Thread" I created it for a reason

I never read this thread for obvious reasons, but I'm glad I did today *shakes head and laughs*

Donaire-Rigondeaux tonight on HBO. Never seen Rigondeaux fight, he's only 11-0 but apparently has been called the greatest amateur off all time, was 388-12, 2 time Olympic gold medalist. The fact that Vegas has Donaire as only a -160 favorite tells me Rigondeaux must have a very real chance to be the first guy to beat Donaire.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Apr 13, 2013, 03:57 PM
Donaire-Rigondeaux tonight on HBO. Never seen Rigondeaux fight, he's only 11-0 but apparently has been called the greatest amateur off all time, was 388-12, 2 time Olympic gold medalist. The fact that Vegas has Donaire as only a -160 favorite tells me Rigondeaux must have a very real chance to be the first guy to beat Donaire.

Rigondeaux looked pretty impressive last weekend. His defense was superb. Although Donaire looked totally unprepared and arguably looked worse than Rgio looked good, which isnt surprising considering his trainer was preparing for the Rios-Alvarado fight and was only with him for the last 2 weeks before the fight, and after the fight Donaire admitted to not watching any tape on Rigondeaux. Makes sense why the line was so surprisingly close.


Canelo Alvarez-Austin Trout tonight on Showtime, in which based on the fighters, the matchup, and whats at stake Id say it is easily 1 of the 5 best matchups of 2013.

Funny how my last post involved Canelo.

Floyd Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez is definitely the biggest fight in 6 years for Floyd since when he fought Oscar. Not to mention the undercard of Matthysse vs Garcia is superb as well.

Cant wait for Saturday.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Sep 11, 2013, 01:55 AM
Funny how my last post involved Canelo.

Floyd Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez is definitely the biggest fight in 6 years for Floyd since when he fought Oscar. Not to mention the undercard of Matthysse vs Garcia is superb as well.

Cant wait for Saturday.

I havent been this excited for a fight since Mayweather De La Hoya.  I know he hasnt fought any prize fighters, but he has beat everyone they put in front of him and thats all that can be asked of him.  I really think this is Mayweathers' toughest fight to date.  I may be a bit bias though as I'm a huge Canelo fan.  They guy is just FIERCE.  Smart money is on Mayweather obviously, but man am I interested to see how this shakes out.  Cant fucking wait

Quote from: Murph on Sep 11, 2013, 07:38 PM

Quote from: capt. scotty on Sep 11, 2013, 01:55 AM
Funny how my last post involved Canelo.

Floyd Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez is definitely the biggest fight in 6 years for Floyd since when he fought Oscar. Not to mention the undercard of Matthysse vs Garcia is superb as well.

Cant wait for Saturday.

I havent been this excited for a fight since Mayweather De La Hoya.  I know he hasnt fought any prize fighters, but he has beat everyone they put in front of him and thats all that can be asked of him. I really think this is Mayweathers' toughest fight to date.  I may be a bit bias though as I'm a huge Canelo fan.  They guy is just FIERCE.  Smart money is on Mayweather obviously, but man am I interested to see how this shakes out.  Cant fucking wait

I think it probably is, especially considering he's never been older than this, and he's fighting a hungry 22 year old experienced beyond his years. That said, I really wanted Canelo to have 1-2 fights after the Trout fight (which I though was tied when they revealed the open scoring in the 8th that had Canelo up big), before he took on PBF, but its not like he doesnt have a good chance to prove me wrong.

Also, if its a great fight, I wouldnt be surprised by a rematch in if not both guys' next fight the fight after. Im not sure about the contract clauses with this fight though. If its a tough fight for Floyd, I would almost assume based on his track record he avoids a rematch. I doubt Canelo has the ability to demand a rematch. On the other hand if its a great fight, PBF knows where the money is at and nothing would touch a rematch remotely, even Pacman probably.

The once thing I think back to is the woulda coulda of the Ortiz fight.  He probably would have lost but it was just getting exciting.

I have no read on this but if Canelo can get into Floyd early and maybe find a way to take just a tiny bit of snap off of his punches, he can go into full  bully mode late.  Mayweather's fights are all so terrible but he knows he makes money only because people continue to buy to see him lose.  That's good motivation.  As Murph said, smart money is on Floyd but I'll take a small flyer on Alvarez.

My book has Canelo at +220.  While its a good bet as your getting more than double your money, it's the lowest I've seen a Mayweather opponent by a longshot. 

I agree with Scotty that I would like to have seen Canelo get a little more seasoning.  He seems to be confident in this fight b/c he beat Trout and he's some flawed logic..I beat Trout, Trout beat Cotto, Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight. 

Mayweather is too good, too experienced...he rolls to a pretty easy UD. 

Quote from: parkervb on Sep 12, 2013, 11:50 AM
I agree with Scotty that I would like to have seen Canelo get a little more seasoning.  He seems to be confident in this fight b/c he beat Trout and he's some flawed logic..I beat Trout, Trout beat Cotto, Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight. 

Mayweather is too good, too experienced...he rolls to a pretty easy UD.

I dont know how much more seasoned he could get.  I realize he's only 23, but he's had 50+ professional fights.  I dont think hes only confident because he beat Trout, hes confident in his ability and should be at this point.  Right now he is the total package, so what better time to go after Mayweather.  He's young, fierce and hungry.  If he touches up Floyd in the first few rounds, which a lot of guys do as Floyd tends to take a few rounds to feel them out, be careful.  Canelos power is nothing to be messed with, he did give Trout his first knockdown ever. 

Quote from: Murph on Sep 12, 2013, 02:28 PM

Quote from: parkervb on Sep 12, 2013, 11:50 AM
I agree with Scotty that I would like to have seen Canelo get a little more seasoning.  He seems to be confident in this fight b/c he beat Trout and he's some flawed logic..I beat Trout, Trout beat Cotto, Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight. 

Mayweather is too good, too experienced...he rolls to a pretty easy UD.

I dont know how much more seasoned he could get.  I realize he's only 23, but he's had 50+ professional fights.  I dont think hes only confident because he beat Trout, hes confident in his ability and should be at this point.  Right now he is the total package, so what better time to go after Mayweather.  He's young, fierce and hungry.  If he touches up Floyd in the first few rounds, which a lot of guys do as Floyd tends to take a few rounds to feel them out, be careful.  Canelos power is nothing to be messed with, he did give Trout his first knockdown ever.

i know he's got a ton of pro fights (not 50+ but still a lot) already but i just don't think he's fought anyone sniffing the upper echelon in boxing except Trout.  So, past Trout, he beat Ricky Hatton's little brother, an over-the-hill Mosley, a guy who got third on The Contender, and who else?  I'm just not riding the Canelo hype train.

Quote from: parkervb on Sep 12, 2013, 03:35 PM

Quote from: Murph on Sep 12, 2013, 02:28 PM

Quote from: parkervb on Sep 12, 2013, 11:50 AM
I agree with Scotty that I would like to have seen Canelo get a little more seasoning.  He seems to be confident in this fight b/c he beat Trout and he's some flawed logic..I beat Trout, Trout beat Cotto, Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight. 

Mayweather is too good, too experienced...he rolls to a pretty easy UD.

I dont know how much more seasoned he could get.  I realize he's only 23, but he's had 50+ professional fights.  I dont think hes only confident because he beat Trout, hes confident in his ability and should be at this point.  Right now he is the total package, so what better time to go after Mayweather.  He's young, fierce and hungry.  If he touches up Floyd in the first few rounds, which a lot of guys do as Floyd tends to take a few rounds to feel them out, be careful.  Canelos power is nothing to be messed with, he did give Trout his first knockdown ever.

i know he's got a ton of pro fights (not 50+ but still a lot) already but i just don't think he's fought anyone sniffing the upper echelon in boxing except Trout.  So, past Trout, he beat Ricky Hatton's little brother, an over-the-hill Mosley, a guy who got third on The Contender, and who else?  I'm just not riding the Canelo hype train.

Apparently during those first few years fighting professionally in Mexico he had many more fights, but the record keeping down there is so shoddy that his camp isnt even going to bother petitioning the boxing committee.  But who really knows?  No matter how many fights, I just think now's the time.  Sure he could fight him in 2 years from now, but that wouldnt be nearly the draw as Mayweather will have to start declining at some point, right?

As I said in my last post, Canelo is experienced beyond his years, but saying that I thought he could use a little more seasoning is the same as what Parker said - more fights against top competition and/or tough and challenging fights. I think Trout is legit, but thats it IMO that Canelo has fought. And despite the cards giving Canelo the win by a wide margin, I thought that fight was tied thru 8 rounds (and thats with Canelo having a knockdown earlier in the fight). It was also the first time in his career he had a tough, close fight where he didnt clearly win, which is another reason for my stance. If Canelo wins Saturday, it wont be in a landslide.

I think he has a decent shot to win Saturday, but I think his chances wouldve been that much better had he had another challenging opponent or 2 before stepping in the ring with the best in boxing.

That was tough to watch hahah.  Talk about being outclassed.  Mayweather looked unreal

Floyd is that good, and as I was trying to say, Canelo has a very small shot

I said Mayweather rolls to an easy UD. Ended up being a MD since one judge was apparently drunk on Canelo.

Quote from: parkervb on Sep 15, 2013, 11:23 AM
I said Mayweather rolls to an easy UD. Ended up being a MD since one judge was apparently drunk on Canelo.

Yeah, a tied card was absurd for Canelo, and I think even the 112-116 card was giving him too much credit. Thats about what I would've expected pre-fight, but I thought Floyd almost pitched a shutout.

Some good fights this past weekend. Adonis Stevenson was very impressive winning the first 7 rounds, forcing Cloud to throw in the towel and have his first loss. Stevenson only has 1 loss from 3 years, and he KO'd that guy in a rematch earlier this year. He has KO'd all of his opponents in the 9 fights since the loss.

Also, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr got a joke of a UD win vs Brian Vera in a fight nobody Ive seen thought he won, and that was AFTER JCC Jr was able to get the fight renegotiated to 10lbs above the original deal. Dude is probably the biggest joke in boxing.

Tons of great fights the next couple months. Based on what's occurred so far, and what Id expect based on what's remaining for the rest of the year, this is the best year by far that I can recall since starting to be a big boxing fan about 8 years ago.

Some lame fights on HBO this past weekend with Klitchsko in a snoozer and Cotto getting a 2nd round stoppage.

I agree it has been a good year for boxing though headdy.  Two great fights although I'm still confused by those that put Alvarado/Rios II over Bradley/Pravahdnikov.  Both amazing but the latter was just better.

Anyone catch Ruslan Provodnikov vs Mike Alvarado title fight from October 19th? It was almost as great as Provodnikov vs Bradley. WOW!!

I'm looking forward to Hatian-Canadian Adonis Stevenson destroy Tony Bellow in the upcoming WBC light-heavyweight title bout. Quebec is a hotbed of boxing and Stevenson is one of the best from that province.

Quote from: Ruckus on Oct 10, 2013, 02:24 PM
Some lame fights on HBO this past weekend with Klitchsko in a snoozer and Cotto getting a 2nd round stoppage.

I agree it has been a good year for boxing though headdy.  Two great fights although I'm still confused by those that put Alvarado/Rios II over Bradley/Pravahdnikov.  Both amazing but the latter was just better.

Yeah, the Klitschko and Cotto fights were slam dunks, as I pretty much expected. Cotto is still just a cut below the best P4P it seems. I think he needs more seasoning and a step up in competition before he fights a Klits, but Deontay Wilder looks like the real deal, and finally that next great American heavyweight.

Bradley/Provodnikov was def better than Alvarado/Rios II. I actually think the best fight I saw this year beside Bradley/Provodnikov was Omar Figueroa/Arakawa. Figueroa is another fighter I have my eye on as a rising star in the making.

Quote from: Jaimoe on Oct 28, 2013, 09:21 AM
Anyone catch Ruslan Provodnikov vs Mike Alvarado title fight from October 19th? It was almost as great as Provodnikov vs Bradley. WOW!!

I'm looking forward to Hatian-Canadian Adonis Stevenson destroy Tony Bellow in the upcoming WBC light-heavyweight title bout. Quebec is a hotbed of boxing and Stevenson is one of the best from that province.

Heard Alvarado/Provodnikov was a good one, but I had to work that night. Is there any sort of website where you can watch fights after the fact? (ie not live streaming sites)

Last month was the first time Ive seen Stevenson, he definitely impressed me. Honestly I dont see why he wouldnt move up to HW in the near future.

Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 06, 2013, 08:27 PM

Quote from: Jaimoe on Oct 28, 2013, 09:21 AM
Anyone catch Ruslan Provodnikov vs Mike Alvarado title fight from October 19th? It was almost as great as Provodnikov vs Bradley. WOW!!

I'm looking forward to Hatian-Canadian Adonis Stevenson destroy Tony Bellow in the upcoming WBC light-heavyweight title bout. Quebec is a hotbed of boxing and Stevenson is one of the best from that province.

Heard Alvarado/Provodnikov was a good one, but I had to work that night. Is there any sort of website where you can watch fights after the fact? (ie not live streaming sites)

Last month was the first time Ive seen Stevenson, he definitely impressed me. Honestly I dont see why he wouldnt move up to HW in the near future.

Hey Jaimoe,

I thought Alvarado/Provodnikov was a great fight because I was rooting for Ruslan.  I love that dude.  Not sure it compares favorably to Bradley/Provodnikov though.  That was an up and down battle with true grit and I still think the wrong person won.  Bradley is 2 for 2 :grin:  With Alvarado, except for a couple of rounds, Provodnikov's power hooks to the head and body were obviously breaking Alvarado down and we already knew how good Ruslan's chin was.  It was entertaining for sure but not the back and forth of the Bradley fight.  Loving Gennady Golovkin as well.

I've only seen Stevenson once and that was that 1st round KO from last year.  I know he has thunderous power and he is already in this mid 30's, but haven't heard how he has fared against an experienced, talented boxer in the later rounds.

Hey Headdy.  If you have HBO, all the fights from this year are free on demand.

Quote from: Ruckus on Nov 06, 2013, 11:07 PM

Quote from: capt. scotty on Nov 06, 2013, 08:27 PM

Quote from: Jaimoe on Oct 28, 2013, 09:21 AM
Anyone catch Ruslan Provodnikov vs Mike Alvarado title fight from October 19th? It was almost as great as Provodnikov vs Bradley. WOW!!

I'm looking forward to Hatian-Canadian Adonis Stevenson destroy Tony Bellow in the upcoming WBC light-heavyweight title bout. Quebec is a hotbed of boxing and Stevenson is one of the best from that province.

Heard Alvarado/Provodnikov was a good one, but I had to work that night. Is there any sort of website where you can watch fights after the fact? (ie not live streaming sites)

Last month was the first time Ive seen Stevenson, he definitely impressed me. Honestly I dont see why he wouldnt move up to HW in the near future.

Hey Jaimoe,

I thought Alvarado/Provodnikov was a great fight because I was rooting for Ruslan.  I love that dude.  Not sure it compares favorably to Bradley/Provodnikov though.  That was an up and down battle with true grit and I still think the wrong person won.  Bradley is 2 for 2 :grin:  With Alvarado, except for a couple of rounds, Provodnikov's power hooks to the head and body were obviously breaking Alvarado down and we already knew how good Ruslan's chin was.  It was entertaining for sure but not the back and forth of the Bradley fight.  Loving Gennady Golovkin as well.

I've only seen Stevenson once and that was that 1st round KO from last year.  I know he has thunderous power and he is already in this mid 30's, but haven't heard how he has fared against an experienced, talented boxer in the later rounds.

Hey Headdy.  If you have HBO, all the fights from this year are free on demand.

Yes, the HBO fights should be On-Demand. Sometimes they repeat during the week, at least they do on HBO Canada.

I thought Bradley won the fight against Ruslan, but lost in the damage department; kinda like when George Chavalo battled Ali for 15-rounds (in their first bout), broke Ali's ribs, lost the fight, but looked no worse for the wear and went out dancing with his wife later that night whereas Ali checked in to a Toronto hospital.

I won't be concerned about Stephenson's age. He's a late bloomer, not unlike Sergio Garcia. Adonis seems to be good in the later rounds, according to his record:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis_Stevenson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis_Stevenson)

Damn, I didn't realize Stevenson was that old. He didn't even fight as a pro until he was nearly 30, so the late bloomer title may be apt, or just that he started boxing later than your standard guy. Its not like he struggled early on or anything.

I don't have HBO/on demand, I don't even have any cable/satellite, I stream everything online, legal and otherwise  :bath: