The Sweet Science Thread

[capt. scotty]

I still ruled the 1st round 10-8 for Provodnikov despite the ref calling that a slip. Im not sure if the official scorecards still had that, but I think you could still give him a 10-8 round because of how much he dominated it regardless of that not being ruled a knockdown. I thought Bradley won every round from 3-11 except one (6th or 7th I think, dont recall exactly). Good point of both having a different approach if they were to fight again, Id bet it would still be quite entertaining though.

Rios-Alvarado II this weekend. Missed the first one but supposedly it was a back and forth brawl as well.

[Ruckus]

I watched it again and I had it 113-113 with both the first and second going to Provodnikov 10-8 plus I gave him the 6th.  I think you can make an argument for him in the 10 and 11 as well.

The judges did not give him 10-8 in the 1st.

[Mahgeetah34]

I came in expecting science and I see a lot of boxing talk. How did the thread switch? Also, how is there so much and so in-depth talk about boxing, but nothing on MMA??

Boxing is just punches: jabs, crosses, uppercuts, and hooks . MMA is all of those plus head kicks, side kicks, knees from the clinch, flying knees, knees on the ground, grappling, intricate submissions, throws and takedowns

[capt. scotty]

I came in expecting science and I see a lot of boxing talk. How did the thread switch? Also, how is there so much and so in-depth talk about boxing, but nothing on MMA??

Boxing is just punches: jabs, crosses, uppercuts, and hooks . MMA is all of those plus head kicks, side kicks, knees from the clinch, flying knees, knees on the ground, grappling, intricate submissions, throws and takedowns

Boxing is the Sweet Science

MMA can blow me. If you wanna talk MMA, theres "Other Sports Thread" I created it for a reason

[Fully]

I came in expecting science and I see a lot of boxing talk. How did the thread switch? Also, how is there so much and so in-depth talk about boxing, but nothing on MMA??

Boxing is just punches: jabs, crosses, uppercuts, and hooks . MMA is all of those plus head kicks, side kicks, knees from the clinch, flying knees, knees on the ground, grappling, intricate submissions, throws and takedowns

Boxing is the Sweet Science

MMA can blow me. If you wanna talk MMA, theres "Other Sports Thread" I created it for a reason

I never read this thread for obvious reasons, but I'm glad I did today *shakes head and laughs*

[capt. scotty]

Donaire-Rigondeaux tonight on HBO. Never seen Rigondeaux fight, he's only 11-0 but apparently has been called the greatest amateur off all time, was 388-12, 2 time Olympic gold medalist. The fact that Vegas has Donaire as only a -160 favorite tells me Rigondeaux must have a very real chance to be the first guy to beat Donaire.

[capt. scotty]

Donaire-Rigondeaux tonight on HBO. Never seen Rigondeaux fight, he's only 11-0 but apparently has been called the greatest amateur off all time, was 388-12, 2 time Olympic gold medalist. The fact that Vegas has Donaire as only a -160 favorite tells me Rigondeaux must have a very real chance to be the first guy to beat Donaire.

Rigondeaux looked pretty impressive last weekend. His defense was superb. Although Donaire looked totally unprepared and arguably looked worse than Rgio looked good, which isnt surprising considering his trainer was preparing for the Rios-Alvarado fight and was only with him for the last 2 weeks before the fight, and after the fight Donaire admitted to not watching any tape on Rigondeaux. Makes sense why the line was so surprisingly close.


Canelo Alvarez-Austin Trout tonight on Showtime, in which based on the fighters, the matchup, and whats at stake Id say it is easily 1 of the 5 best matchups of 2013.

[capt. scotty]

Funny how my last post involved Canelo.

Floyd Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez is definitely the biggest fight in 6 years for Floyd since when he fought Oscar. Not to mention the undercard of Matthysse vs Garcia is superb as well.

Cant wait for Saturday.

[Murph]

Funny how my last post involved Canelo.

Floyd Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez is definitely the biggest fight in 6 years for Floyd since when he fought Oscar. Not to mention the undercard of Matthysse vs Garcia is superb as well.

Cant wait for Saturday.

I havent been this excited for a fight since Mayweather De La Hoya.  I know he hasnt fought any prize fighters, but he has beat everyone they put in front of him and thats all that can be asked of him.  I really think this is Mayweathers' toughest fight to date.  I may be a bit bias though as I'm a huge Canelo fan.  They guy is just FIERCE.  Smart money is on Mayweather obviously, but man am I interested to see how this shakes out.  Cant fucking wait

[capt. scotty]

Funny how my last post involved Canelo.

Floyd Mayweather vs Canelo Alvarez is definitely the biggest fight in 6 years for Floyd since when he fought Oscar. Not to mention the undercard of Matthysse vs Garcia is superb as well.

Cant wait for Saturday.

I havent been this excited for a fight since Mayweather De La Hoya.  I know he hasnt fought any prize fighters, but he has beat everyone they put in front of him and thats all that can be asked of him. I really think this is Mayweathers' toughest fight to date.  I may be a bit bias though as I'm a huge Canelo fan.  They guy is just FIERCE.  Smart money is on Mayweather obviously, but man am I interested to see how this shakes out.  Cant fucking wait

I think it probably is, especially considering he's never been older than this, and he's fighting a hungry 22 year old experienced beyond his years. That said, I really wanted Canelo to have 1-2 fights after the Trout fight (which I though was tied when they revealed the open scoring in the 8th that had Canelo up big), before he took on PBF, but its not like he doesnt have a good chance to prove me wrong.

Also, if its a great fight, I wouldnt be surprised by a rematch in if not both guys' next fight the fight after. Im not sure about the contract clauses with this fight though. If its a tough fight for Floyd, I would almost assume based on his track record he avoids a rematch. I doubt Canelo has the ability to demand a rematch. On the other hand if its a great fight, PBF knows where the money is at and nothing would touch a rematch remotely, even Pacman probably.

[Ruckus]

The once thing I think back to is the woulda coulda of the Ortiz fight.  He probably would have lost but it was just getting exciting.

I have no read on this but if Canelo can get into Floyd early and maybe find a way to take just a tiny bit of snap off of his punches, he can go into full  bully mode late.  Mayweather's fights are all so terrible but he knows he makes money only because people continue to buy to see him lose.  That's good motivation.  As Murph said, smart money is on Floyd but I'll take a small flyer on Alvarez.

[Murph]

My book has Canelo at +220.  While its a good bet as your getting more than double your money, it's the lowest I've seen a Mayweather opponent by a longshot. 

[parkervb]

I agree with Scotty that I would like to have seen Canelo get a little more seasoning.  He seems to be confident in this fight b/c he beat Trout and he's some flawed logic..I beat Trout, Trout beat Cotto, Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight. 

Mayweather is too good, too experienced...he rolls to a pretty easy UD. 

[Murph]

I agree with Scotty that I would like to have seen Canelo get a little more seasoning.  He seems to be confident in this fight b/c he beat Trout and he's some flawed logic..I beat Trout, Trout beat Cotto, Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight. 

Mayweather is too good, too experienced...he rolls to a pretty easy UD.

I dont know how much more seasoned he could get.  I realize he's only 23, but he's had 50+ professional fights.  I dont think hes only confident because he beat Trout, hes confident in his ability and should be at this point.  Right now he is the total package, so what better time to go after Mayweather.  He's young, fierce and hungry.  If he touches up Floyd in the first few rounds, which a lot of guys do as Floyd tends to take a few rounds to feel them out, be careful.  Canelos power is nothing to be messed with, he did give Trout his first knockdown ever. 

[parkervb]

I agree with Scotty that I would like to have seen Canelo get a little more seasoning.  He seems to be confident in this fight b/c he beat Trout and he's some flawed logic..I beat Trout, Trout beat Cotto, Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight. 

Mayweather is too good, too experienced...he rolls to a pretty easy UD.

I dont know how much more seasoned he could get.  I realize he's only 23, but he's had 50+ professional fights.  I dont think hes only confident because he beat Trout, hes confident in his ability and should be at this point.  Right now he is the total package, so what better time to go after Mayweather.  He's young, fierce and hungry.  If he touches up Floyd in the first few rounds, which a lot of guys do as Floyd tends to take a few rounds to feel them out, be careful.  Canelos power is nothing to be messed with, he did give Trout his first knockdown ever.

i know he's got a ton of pro fights (not 50+ but still a lot) already but i just don't think he's fought anyone sniffing the upper echelon in boxing except Trout.  So, past Trout, he beat Ricky Hatton's little brother, an over-the-hill Mosley, a guy who got third on The Contender, and who else?  I'm just not riding the Canelo hype train.

[Murph]

I agree with Scotty that I would like to have seen Canelo get a little more seasoning.  He seems to be confident in this fight b/c he beat Trout and he's some flawed logic..I beat Trout, Trout beat Cotto, Cotto gave Floyd a tough fight. 

Mayweather is too good, too experienced...he rolls to a pretty easy UD.

I dont know how much more seasoned he could get.  I realize he's only 23, but he's had 50+ professional fights.  I dont think hes only confident because he beat Trout, hes confident in his ability and should be at this point.  Right now he is the total package, so what better time to go after Mayweather.  He's young, fierce and hungry.  If he touches up Floyd in the first few rounds, which a lot of guys do as Floyd tends to take a few rounds to feel them out, be careful.  Canelos power is nothing to be messed with, he did give Trout his first knockdown ever.

i know he's got a ton of pro fights (not 50+ but still a lot) already but i just don't think he's fought anyone sniffing the upper echelon in boxing except Trout.  So, past Trout, he beat Ricky Hatton's little brother, an over-the-hill Mosley, a guy who got third on The Contender, and who else?  I'm just not riding the Canelo hype train.

Apparently during those first few years fighting professionally in Mexico he had many more fights, but the record keeping down there is so shoddy that his camp isnt even going to bother petitioning the boxing committee.  But who really knows?  No matter how many fights, I just think now's the time.  Sure he could fight him in 2 years from now, but that wouldnt be nearly the draw as Mayweather will have to start declining at some point, right?

[capt. scotty]

As I said in my last post, Canelo is experienced beyond his years, but saying that I thought he could use a little more seasoning is the same as what Parker said - more fights against top competition and/or tough and challenging fights. I think Trout is legit, but thats it IMO that Canelo has fought. And despite the cards giving Canelo the win by a wide margin, I thought that fight was tied thru 8 rounds (and thats with Canelo having a knockdown earlier in the fight). It was also the first time in his career he had a tough, close fight where he didnt clearly win, which is another reason for my stance. If Canelo wins Saturday, it wont be in a landslide.

I think he has a decent shot to win Saturday, but I think his chances wouldve been that much better had he had another challenging opponent or 2 before stepping in the ring with the best in boxing.

[Murph]

That was tough to watch hahah.  Talk about being outclassed.  Mayweather looked unreal

[capt. scotty]

Floyd is that good, and as I was trying to say, Canelo has a very small shot

[parkervb]

I said Mayweather rolls to an easy UD. Ended up being a MD since one judge was apparently drunk on Canelo.