http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20110620-us_obit_ryan_dunn (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20110620-us_obit_ryan_dunn) wow...too bad he seemed like a pretty good guy...slow your cars down people !
He was definitely a super nice guy. I had the pleasure of meeting him at a Philly radio station function a year or two back. Just an overall friendly dude. RIP Ryan :'(
Not sure if it's true or not, but supposedly he'd been boozing it up pretty good before getting into his car. If this was true, then f*ck him.
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 09:51 AM
Not sure if it's true or not, but supposedly he'd been boozing it up pretty good before getting into his car. If this was true, then f*ck him.
little tough dnt ya think....then again I'm sure you've never regretted anything...not saying you got drunk and killed someone but f$#k him ?.....check yourself B......
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 09:51 AM
Not sure if it's true or not, but supposedly he'd been boozing it up pretty good before getting into his car. If this was true, then f*ck him.
Whether he drank too much or not does not impact how nice of a guy he was. People make mistakes. Sometimes catastrophic ones. At this point, it is unclear whether achlohol was a factor. The initial police reports cite speed as a factor. Time will tell if drinking was the determining factor. Let's not pass judgement too quickly please
I was wondering when one of these guys was going to pass on; wondering if their death (and taste) defying acts on-screen carried in to their personal lives. Steve-O came close to dying a couple of times and I am sure there are other stories.
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 09:51 AM
Not sure if it's true or not, but supposedly he'd been boozing it up pretty good before getting into his car. If this was true, then f*ck him.
Very sad when someone dies like this. Even if they were drinking, they didn't "deserve it". God knows I drove 100's of times drunk, but I didn't deserve to die b/c of it.
v. sad indeed. he was way hot .. what a waste of a good beard :-\
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 09:51 AM
Not sure if it's true or not, but supposedly he'd been boozing it up pretty good before getting into his car. If this was true, then f*ck him.
oh yeah?
3 beers and 3 shots in 4 hours is the news report. i don't think he's that much of a lightweight.
It's a little harsh? I'm sorry guys. I'm a pretty forgiving guy. However I have no respect for people that get drunk and then decide to get behind the wheel of a car. I wonder if you all would be so willing to forgive had the guy taken out an innocent family... a child... I'd be very curious to hear your responses then.
If you're stupid enough to get loaded and then get behind the wheel of your porsche and doing insane speeds where it ends up you burst into flames... well thank God they did not hit anyone else other than that railing is all I'm saying.
Let me further clarify...
@TheBigChicken - sure I've had regrets. There's one thing to have regrets, there's another thing entirely where you go out drinking then get behind the wheel of a porsche and drive to its max speed. That shows no care or regard for any other human being and we've seen this story too many times where innocent people and young children have been the casualties because of someone else's selfishness and stupidity. So I won't check myself here.
@Tracy2112 - I'm not saying he "deserved" to die. No one deserves to die (well, that's not entirely true either). I'm just saying that any guy that gets behind the wheel of a porsche and goes above and beyond the speed limit after being in a bar for hours? Well if he winds up dead I really don't have all that much sympathy for the guy. It's just plain stupid and selfish.
@br00ke - forgive me for not realizing the true importance of this discussion. It really was a waste of a good beard.
@e_wind - yeah.
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 04:41 PM
However I have no respect for people that get drunk and then decide to get behind the wheel of a car.
Maybe he was on his cell phone. Perhaps he was not too imapired to drive but was speeding and talking on his cellphone. So, according to your "logic", everyone who talks on a cell phone while driving or speeds or does both, should be taken out to a field (maybe driven out into a field) and shot in the back of the head. Do you understand how many people die each year in car crashes b/c someone in the accident was using a PDA?
whatever
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jun 21, 2011, 05:17 PM
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 04:41 PM
However I have no respect for people that get drunk and then decide to get behind the wheel of a car.
Maybe he was on his cell phone. Perhaps he was not too imapired to drive but was speeding and talking on his cellphone. So, according to your "logic", everyone who talks on a cell phone while driving or speeds or does both, should be taken out to a field (maybe driven out into a field) and shot in the back of the head. Do you understand how many people die each year in car crashes b/c someone in the accident was using a PDA?
whatever
Here's what we do know. We know he was in a bar hours before getting in his car where he was seen drinking quite a bit. And then he got behind the wheel of a porsche and drove WELL beyond the speed limit. You're right though... excessive speeding while talking or texting on your cell phone is OK, my bad there. That makes sense!
I'd be VERY curious to hear all of your responses if this guy was a) not a "celebrity" and b) he killed other innocent bystanders in the process.
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 05:32 PM
I'd be VERY curious to hear all of your responses if this guy was a) not a "celebrity" and b) he killed other innocent bystanders in the process.
I didn't even like Ryan Dunn or the jackass guys. Even so, my initial reaction wasn't fuck that guy.
We couldnt argue about drunk driving in the Whatever the F you wanna talk about thread after I posted Dunn died in a crash. Dont think this needed its own thread :-\
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 05:32 PM
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jun 21, 2011, 05:17 PM
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 04:41 PM
However I have no respect for people that get drunk and then decide to get behind the wheel of a car.
Maybe he was on his cell phone. Perhaps he was not too imapired to drive but was speeding and talking on his cellphone. So, according to your "logic", everyone who talks on a cell phone while driving or speeds or does both, should be taken out to a field (maybe driven out into a field) and shot in the back of the head. Do you understand how many people die each year in car crashes b/c someone in the accident was using a PDA?
whatever
Here's what we do know. We know he was in a bar hours before getting in his car where he was seen drinking quite a bit. And then he got behind the wheel of a porsche and drove WELL beyond the speed limit. You're right though... excessive speeding while talking or texting on your cell phone is OK, my bad there. That makes sense!
I'd be VERY curious to hear all of your responses if this guy was a) not a "celebrity" and b) he killed other innocent bystanders in the process.
you know that can go both ways... if this was one of your friends i doubt you'd write him off as deserving to die like it was nothing
I've lost a friend due to drunk driving. He was drunk. I'm just thankful he didn't kill an innocent bystander. The combo of speeding and being drunk behind the wheel = arrogant, ignorant and careless a-hole.
I'm confused. How did you get advanced veiwing of the toxicology report before it's been completed? Pretty impressive connections you have there.
I'm not saying he wasn't driving like an idiot. 130 mph is reckless as fuck. But chill on the driving drunk thing until we know the facts. I've heard varying accounts of how much he consumed. From very few drinks to a good amount. This story is al over the airwaves in Philly as Ryan lived in a suburb just outside the city. Many people have stated that he was not even remotely drunk. So far as he was turning down free shots at the bar all night. From what I understand, he wasn't much of a drinker to begin with.
Let's also remember that he was someone's son, boyfriend, close friend. I'm sure if something tragic happened to someone close to you, regardless of the circumstances, you'd be a bit more compassionate.
Taking an off-ramp at well over 100mph is moronic. If he had the six drinks that were reported, he would be legally drunk. If he wasn't drunk, he's still an a-hole for carelessly speeding and potentially putting innocent lives at risk.
I think if people weren't a fan of his, they'd look at this incident less sympathetically.
Quote from: Jaimoe on Jun 22, 2011, 11:01 AM
Taking an off-ramp at well over 100mph is moronic. If he had the six drinks that were reported, he would be legally drunk. If he wasn't drunk, he's still an a-hole for carelessly speeding and potentially putting innocent lives at risk.
I think if people weren't a fan of his, they'd look at this incident less sympathetically.
I had one co-worker who was a great kid kill himself drunk driving, one friend be killed by a drunk driver when my friend was stone cold sober, and I have a friend who was driving home from a bar (so drunk, I guess) with his girlfriend and wreck the car, killing his girlfriend. I wouldn't say that any of these people deserve death. The family of the girlfriend was even very sweet to him and cried with him and not at him. Like I said before, if your sibling was drunk and hit a tree and died you wouldn't say "welp, he deserves it" and drive off on your merry way. Anyone who's saying this dude deserved what happened needs to maybe take a long look at themselves and try to tell themselves they don't make mistakes or regret anything.
Oh, and I'm not a huge fan of Jackass at all. Its funny, but still not entirely my thing. :thumbsup:
I don't agree with our current wars, but that doesn't mean this is my attitude:
(http://dc-cdn.virtacore.com/2011/01/Westboro-Baptist.jpg)
I never once said he deserved it. Reckless a-hole? Yes.
I'm a big supporter of soldiers.
Good article on Dunn; RIP
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1666223/ryan-dunn-westchester.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1666223/ryan-dunn-westchester.jhtml)
Never said he DESERVED to die either. There are people that do DESERVE to die, however.
By doing what he did he clearly didn't have any regard for himself, his passenger, or anyone else that he could have but thankfully did not strike while driving over 100 mph. I said if all the reports were true, well then really I don't have sympathy for him. That's all. I feel for the families and friends and loved ones he left behind because of his stupidity. That's all.
Sure people, make excuses for this loser.
Report: Ryan Dunn had 23 driving citations, including DUI
June 22, 2011, 9:53 AM EST
By Tim Molloy
TheWrap
"Jackass" star Ryan Dunn had 23 driving citations, including one for DUI, in the 13 years before he and his passenger were in killed in a fiery car crash, The Boston Herald reported.
Charges were dropped in Dunn's 2005 DUI arrest after he completed a probationary program and received a suspended license, the paper said, citing court records.
Bing: More on Ryan Dunn's career
The 34-year-old Dunn and his passenger, Zachary Hartwell, 30, were killed in West Goshen, Pa., when Dunn's Porsche 911 flew over a guard rail, hit a tree and burst into flames. Dunn had posted a picture of both of them drinking at a bar just hours before the crash.
More: Hollywood reacts to Ryan Dunn's death
A preliminary coroner's report found that both were killed by blunt-force trauma and the flames.
Toxicology reports released on Wednesday said his blood-alcohol content that was more than twice the legal limit for drivers.
The report said Dunn's blood-alcohol level was 0.196 at the time of the crash early Monday morning. The legal limit for drivers in the state is .08.
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 22, 2011, 04:22 PM
Never said he DESERVED to die either. There are people that do DESERVE to die, however.
By doing what he did he clearly didn't have any regard for himself, his passenger, or anyone else that he could have but thankfully did not strike while driving over 100 mph. I said if all the reports were true, well then really I don't have sympathy for him. That's all. I feel for the families and friends and loved ones he left behind because of his stupidity. That's all.
100% agree.
On an aside, speeding stunt driving jerks die all the time in the Toronto area, but I could care less about the individual. I do care however, when they kill innocent people. When this happens, and it happens more than it should, then I hope the perp rots in hell.
Police: 'Jackass' star Ryan Dunn was drunk and driving over 132 mph (http://www.cnn.com/2011/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/06/22/ryan.dunn.drunk/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn)
I'm sorry for his friends and family, as well as those of his passenger. Seems going 132-140 mph is just plain stupid, even sober. This doesn't make him an evil person, just foolish and selfish.
So, there's a camp of "F that dumb ass, I have no sympathy" and there's another camp who feels sympathy for the guy.
Considering the name of this thread is REST IN PEACE Ryan Dunn, I'd say the most important thing here is that some of you are off topic.
Quote from: Tracy 2112 on Jun 22, 2011, 05:23 PM
So, there's a camp of "F that dumb ass, I have no sympathy" and there's another camp who feels sympathy for the guy.
Considering the name of this thread is REST IN PEACE Ryan Dunn, I'd say the most important thing here is that some of you are off topic.
Thank you. Could not have put it any better. I certainly did not condone his actions. He F'd up big time & as a result 2 people are dead. All I was trying to get across is that I felt symapthy for him, the passenger & their loved ones. In the face of tragedy, regardless of whether or not it is self imposed, is it wrong to feel bad for people? I guess I'm just a big softie
As someone who lost a close family member under very similar circumstances, I don't think anger is a completely unusual emotion out the gate. Especially for something as 100% preventable as a drunk driving accident.
Check yr Kubler-Ross stages of grief, yo.
Quote from: ALady on Jun 22, 2011, 05:53 PM
As someone who lost a close family member under very similar circumstances, I don't think anger is a completely unusual emotion out the gate. Especially for something as 100% preventable as a drunk driving accident.
Check yr Kubler-Ross stages of grief, yo.
anger being an unusual emotion? definitely not. appropriate in a R.I.P thread? questionable
Perhaps not appropriate, but understandable given the circumstances surrounding his death.
Quote from: peafunk31 on Jun 22, 2011, 05:58 PM
Quote from: ALady on Jun 22, 2011, 05:53 PM
As someone who lost a close family member under very similar circumstances, I don't think anger is a completely unusual emotion out the gate. Especially for something as 100% preventable as a drunk driving accident.
Check yr Kubler-Ross stages of grief, yo.
anger being an unusual emotion? definitely not. appropriate in a R.I.P thread? questionable
I this this is the main point. Of course he was irresponsible... But that doesn't mean people need to go out and tell people they don't care about his death. You can feel however you want, obviously, but bringing people down who are mourning is not, in my opinion, an okay thing to do. In this thread several people, including myself, are objectifying a man who has died and does have loved ones in mourning, which I don't think is very cool.
Let us recognize, however, that this is not a Jackass forum.
If I wasn't clear, my sympathy extends to Dunn himself, and I mean no disrespect to those of you touched by Mr. Dunn's art. He and his passenger, Zachary Hartwell, were human beings, deserving of dignity in death.
That said, I don't expect to hear the same here as what was said for Clarence Clemmons. Due to the nature of Dunn's fame and infamy, and the way in which he and Hartwell died, some criticism seems fitting understandable.
Maybe not as harsh as Roger Ebert (http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/roger-ebert-ryan-dunn-dies-death-drunk-driving-car-crash-accident-twitter-tweet/), however.
This selfish act of gettting totally s**tfaced and taking out an ex-SEAL and yourself--not to mention endangering everyone else on the road kind of overshadows however polite this guy may have been. No excuse for this.
Quote from: johnnYYac on Jun 22, 2011, 06:47 PM
Let us recognize, however, that this is not a Jackass forum.
If I wasn't clear, my sympathy extends to Dunn himself, and I mean no disrespect to those of you touched by Mr. Dunn's art. He and his passenger, Zachary Hartwell, were human beings, deserving of dignity in death.
That said, I don't expect to hear the same here as what was said for Clarence Clemmons. Due to the nature of Dunn's fame and infamy, and the way in which he and Hartwell died, some criticism seems fitting understandable.
Maybe not as harsh as Roger Ebert (http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/roger-ebert-ryan-dunn-dies-death-drunk-driving-car-crash-accident-twitter-tweet/), however.
Understood. I can see how this situation can be controversial. I've said my piece & my opinion of this commumity remains unchanged. Everyone here has their opinions & yet remains respectful. I was not angered by this discussion. It just hit a little close to home location wise & the fact that I have met him.
Oh, Mr. YYac. I'll see your Ebert & raise you a batch of complete f'n morons
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/westboro-pickets-dunn_n_882299.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/westboro-pickets-dunn_n_882299.html)
Quote from: peafunk31 on Jun 22, 2011, 07:54 PM
Quote from: johnnYYac on Jun 22, 2011, 06:47 PM
Let us recognize, however, that this is not a Jackass forum.
If I wasn't clear, my sympathy extends to Dunn himself, and I mean no disrespect to those of you touched by Mr. Dunn's art. He and his passenger, Zachary Hartwell, were human beings, deserving of dignity in death.
That said, I don't expect to hear the same here as what was said for Clarence Clemmons. Due to the nature of Dunn's fame and infamy, and the way in which he and Hartwell died, some criticism seems fitting understandable.
Maybe not as harsh as Roger Ebert (http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/roger-ebert-ryan-dunn-dies-death-drunk-driving-car-crash-accident-twitter-tweet/), however.
Understood. I can see how this situation can be controversial. I've said my piece & my opinion of this commumity remains unchanged. Everyone here has their opinions & yet remains respectful. I was not angered by this discussion. It just hit a little close to home location wise & the fact that I have met him.
Oh, Mr. YYac. I see your Ebert & raise you a batch of complete f'n morons
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/westboro-pickets-dunn_n_882299.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/westboro-pickets-dunn_n_882299.html)
Now, NO ONE deserves THAT!
Quote from: johnnYYac on Jun 22, 2011, 08:03 PM
Quote from: peafunk31 on Jun 22, 2011, 07:54 PM
Quote from: johnnYYac on Jun 22, 2011, 06:47 PM
Let us recognize, however, that this is not a Jackass forum.
If I wasn't clear, my sympathy extends to Dunn himself, and I mean no disrespect to those of you touched by Mr. Dunn's art. He and his passenger, Zachary Hartwell, were human beings, deserving of dignity in death.
That said, I don't expect to hear the same here as what was said for Clarence Clemmons. Due to the nature of Dunn's fame and infamy, and the way in which he and Hartwell died, some criticism seems fitting understandable.
Maybe not as harsh as Roger Ebert (http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/roger-ebert-ryan-dunn-dies-death-drunk-driving-car-crash-accident-twitter-tweet/), however.
Understood. I can see how this situation can be controversial. I've said my piece & my opinion of this commumity remains unchanged. Everyone here has their opinions & yet remains respectful. I was not angered by this discussion. It just hit a little close to home location wise & the fact that I have met him.
Oh, Mr. YYac. I see your Ebert & raise you a batch of complete f'n morons
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/westboro-pickets-dunn_n_882299.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/22/westboro-pickets-dunn_n_882299.html)
Now, NO ONE deserves THAT!
100% agreed. Keep your eyes peeled for this one. I guarantee you these fools will get rolled on should they work up the balls & show up
Anger towards those who have harmed you directly? Understandable.
Self-righteous rampage because of a perceived moral high ground? Not at all.
I'd bet money that anyone in this thread who drank something at some point of their life got behind the wheel of a car when they likely should not have, most likely without even realizing it. 99% of hte time there's no harm.
Does it justify drinking and driving? Hardly. But it does mean that we can skip the holier-than-thou approach to the situation and realize that choosing to drink before driving is just as dangerous as choosing to drive while tired, on the phone, with unruly children, or any other of the numerous distractions that pose a threat to our daily commute, and that we're all guilty of dangerous behaviors.
Except me of course. I'm an excellent driver. Everyone else on the road sucks, especially Ruckus (pre-empting any possible retaliation for my inflammatory facebook rants).
Quote from: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 22, 2011, 07:51 PM
This selfish act of gettting totally s**tfaced and taking out an ex-SEAL and yourself--not to mention endangering everyone else on the road kind of overshadows however polite this guy may have been. No excuse for this.
Amen.
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 22, 2011, 08:53 PM
Quote from: MMJ_fanatic on Jun 22, 2011, 07:51 PM
This selfish act of gettting totally s**tfaced and taking out an ex-SEAL and yourself--not to mention endangering everyone else on the road kind of overshadows however polite this guy may have been. No excuse for this.
Amen.
(http://www.clanram.com/forums/attachments/f11/1228-rams-chargers-game-aired-la-beat_dead_horse.jpg)
of all the jackass dudes I'm kinda surprised he was the first to go. he always seemed to be one of the more intelligent of the dudes, definitely a funny guy. seemed very undouchebag like. when I first heard a dude from jackass died, I instantly asked "overdose?" thinking it was Steve-o. Dunn was one of the shining lights of that show for sure. can't say news like this is unexpected tho. they try to kill themselves all the time.
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 05:01 PM
@br00ke - forgive me for not realizing the true importance of this discussion. It really was a waste of a good beard.
the issues people .. we've got to focus on the issues!!! if this were twitter, this is where i'd write #ComedicRelief? but for real though .. dude was hot and now he's not.
el chode .. your lawyerliness (awful made up word right there) is showing!! i believe you could sell anyone on anything, your talk is so convincing and rational.
Quote from: br00ke on Jun 22, 2011, 10:06 PM
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 05:01 PM
@br00ke - forgive me for not realizing the true importance of this discussion. It really was a waste of a good beard.
the issues people .. we've got to focus on the issues!!! if this were twitter, this is where i'd write #ComedicRelief? but for real though .. dude was hot and now he's not.
el chode .. your lawyerliness (awful made up word right there) is showing!! i believe you could sell anyone on anything, your talk is so convincing and rational.
Thanks, I tried to temper myself if only because I almost got in a debate with a vehicular homicide prosecutor over this topic the other day. But then I realized that if I want to get hired, I might want to just bite my tongue and stick to my research project and save the pontification for the MMJ forums if the need ever arose.
But back to the topic at hand - I'm sort of surprised that the beard didn't absorb any of the impact.
Quote from: br00ke on Jun 22, 2011, 10:06 PM
Quote from: buaawwww on Jun 21, 2011, 05:01 PM
@br00ke - forgive me for not realizing the true importance of this discussion. It really was a waste of a good beard.
the issues people .. we've got to focus on the issues!!! if this were twitter, this is where i'd write #ComedicRelief? but for real though .. dude was hot and now he's not.
el chode .. your lawyerliness (awful made up word right there) is showing!! i believe you could sell anyone on anything, your talk is so convincing and rational.
Seriously. He could sell a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves.
Quote from: el_chode on Jun 22, 2011, 10:53 PM
But back to the topic at hand - I'm sort of surprised that the beard didn't absorb any of the impact.
I don't know - looks like it did a hell of a job to me. Could've been much worse without a beard.
(http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2011/06/ryan-dunn-car-crash.jpg)
Quote from: el_chode on Jun 22, 2011, 08:32 PM
Anger towards those who have harmed you directly? Understandable.
Self-righteous rampage because of a perceived moral high ground? Not at all.
I'd bet money that anyone in this thread who drank something at some point of their life got behind the wheel of a car when they likely should not have, most likely without even realizing it. 99% of hte time there's no harm.
Does it justify drinking and driving? Hardly. But it does mean that we can skip the holier-than-thou approach to the situation and realize that choosing to drink before driving is just as dangerous as choosing to drive while tired, on the phone, with unruly children, or any other of the numerous distractions that pose a threat to our daily commute, and that we're all guilty of dangerous behaviors.
Except me of course. I'm an excellent driver. Everyone else on the road sucks, especially Ruckus (pre-empting any possible retaliation for my inflammatory facebook rants).
What a load of crap. This was a man with 23 driving citations, 10 of those for speeding and reckless driving, 3 for driving with suspended license and 9 out of 10 of those with a guilty plea. Not to mention the previous DUI. To compare that and this particular case of driving intoxicated at a speed of 130+ mph with driving while tired or having unruly kids in the car is beyond silly. I watched my sister at 19 years old killed due to a drunk driver so spare me the self serving bs.
Quote from: mike on Jun 23, 2011, 02:42 PM
Quote from: el_chode on Jun 22, 2011, 08:32 PM
Anger towards those who have harmed you directly? Understandable.
Self-righteous rampage because of a perceived moral high ground? Not at all.
I'd bet money that anyone in this thread who drank something at some point of their life got behind the wheel of a car when they likely should not have, most likely without even realizing it. 99% of hte time there's no harm.
Does it justify drinking and driving? Hardly. But it does mean that we can skip the holier-than-thou approach to the situation and realize that choosing to drink before driving is just as dangerous as choosing to drive while tired, on the phone, with unruly children, or any other of the numerous distractions that pose a threat to our daily commute, and that we're all guilty of dangerous behaviors.
Except me of course. I'm an excellent driver. Everyone else on the road sucks, especially Ruckus (pre-empting any possible retaliation for my inflammatory facebook rants).
What a load of crap. This was a man with 23 driving citations, 10 of those for speeding and reckless driving, 3 for driving with suspended license and 9 out of 10 of those with a guilty plea. Not to mention the previous DUI. To compare that and this particular case of driving intoxicated at a speed of 130+ mph with driving while tired or having unruly kids in the car is beyond silly. I watched my sister at 19 years old killed due to a drunk driver so spare me the self serving bs.
That is awful. So sorry for your loss. My friends parents were both killed by a dump truck, when the driver reached down in the footwell to grab a bag of fucking skittles. I think that's all that was being pointed out. Drive like you have other peoples lives in your hands. Because you do.
Bam and April on Ryan Dunn's driving (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbhh_fcfl_k#ws)
Quote from: el_chode on Jun 22, 2011, 08:32 PM
Anger towards those who have harmed you directly? Understandable.
Self-righteous rampage because of a perceived moral high ground? Not at all.
I'd bet money that anyone in this thread who drank something at some point of their life got behind the wheel of a car when they likely should not have, most likely without even realizing it. 99% of hte time there's no harm.
Does it justify drinking and driving? Hardly. But it does mean that we can skip the holier-than-thou approach to the situation and realize that choosing to drink before driving is just as dangerous as choosing to drive while tired, on the phone, with unruly children, or any other of the numerous distractions that pose a threat to our daily commute, and that we're all guilty of dangerous behaviors.
Except me of course. I'm an excellent driver. Everyone else on the road sucks, especially Ruckus (pre-empting any possible retaliation for my inflammatory facebook rants).
Please give me a moment to climb up on my moral high ground...
If you have the money to buy a Porsche, you have the money to call a cab.
It's a senseless death and that's what saddens and, yes, angers me. I'm heartbroken for his family and for his passenger's new bride (well, widow).
I don't think it's moralizing to say "damn, that's a real shame."