That Wilco has been going on longer than MMJ this tour? WTF??? MMJ should never be the opener. Really brings down my excited for this tour. Wilco kind of sucks bro.
Wilco are a more famous band with hit albums and a larger following. Plus, they have a 20-year legacy. MMJ's sets are marginally shorter, which isn't too bad given they aren't well known in the mainstream.
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It's been a while since we got hacksaw'd!
wilco will never open for MMJ.. I love MMJ but wilco have a bigger legacy, more classic albums and a larger fan base. Wilco can fill larger venues than MMJ.
the lack of perspective on this forum is incredible.
Quote from: JerseyDan on Jul 17, 2013, 04:57 PM
the lack of perspective on this forum is incredible.
You've been Hacksaw'd.
unless Hacksaw also wrote all the shit of leaving early before Dylan which is all over the forum
Quote from: JerseyDan on Jul 17, 2013, 05:09 PM
unless Hacksaw also wrote all the shit of leaving early before Dylan which is all over the forum
Well I was only referring to this trolling thread of his.
I mean, I guess you can consider this trolling but I really feel this way. Seriously though, what are these "classic albums" ??? Does that mean they were Grammy nominated or highly reviewed by Rolling Stones? I would put up At Dawn or It Still Moves against anything in Wilco's discography. Like who cares though. MMJ is way better at live music. The only Wilco song I really like is California Stars.
As for Bobby D... I saw him once and it was terrible. I'll give him another go since he is a living legend, but i'm sure we'll leave midway through his set. It's unbearable.
The last four Wilco albums cracked Billboard's Top 5. Yankee Foxtrot went Gold in the US. Combined, Wilco has sold millions of CDs. Their concerts are huge draws. I'm a much bigger MMJ fan, but Wilco deserves props.
I'm with you that the first three or even four MMJ albums are as good as any Wilco album, but none have even come close to Gold.
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is considered generally as one of if not the best albums of the last 15 years. That alone plus very good albums ghost is born and summerteeth for starters... I love both bands I also agree that MMJ are better live but it's a different experience with both bands live.
I'd imagine payday/contracts play a role in set length too...
I know I shouldn't even post in this thread, but don't all acts play for ~75 minutes? Or at least MMJ and wilco. Bob may play longer. The opener definitely is shorter.
Quote from: e_wind on Jul 17, 2013, 09:35 PM
I know I shouldn't even post in this thread, but don't all acts play for ~75 minutes? Or at least MMJ and wilco. Bob may play longer. The opener definitely is shorter.
Sounds like a size problem to me....
Quote from: Fully on Jul 17, 2013, 09:59 PM
Sounds like a size problem to me....
:grin:
I'll have what she's having. :beer:
I thought I heard something early on about mixing up the order of the bands. Clearly that's not happening!
Quote from: zanjam on Jul 17, 2013, 10:31 PM
I thought I heard something early on about mixing up the order of the bands. Clearly that's not happening!
Clearly.
As much as I love (read: am obsessed with, worship at the altar of, etc) MMJ, Wilco are kind of in a slightly different category. Fuck, Tweedy, with Farrar et al, created a modern genre! Dude is a deeply important songwriter in the entire scheme of modern music. And yes, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was a massively important album, propelling Wilco even farther into the stars. It transcends the genre Tweedy helped create.
That being said, I thought their Toronto show was a tiny bit flat after MMJ's rollercoaster ride of awesome. The slow songs were a bit wishy washy, the challenging songs were a bit too challenging and possibly just not enough classics. MMJs set didn't seem to lose momentum even when it slowed down for such tunes at Slow Slow Tune and when it revved, it revved on all cylinders.
I know we had heard scuttlebutt that there would be rotating headliners but did anyone really think anyone but Dylan would be headlining?!
Last summer both bands headlined amphitheaters in the D.C. area. Wilco played two nights at Wolf Trap and maybe sold out both. MMJ didn't sell out MPP in their one night there. But for my money, MMJ is the best band on the planet, and I would definitely prefer a longer set on this tour. That being said, I'm still very much looking forward to seeing Wilco for the first time.
Look at it this way, if Jimi Hendrix were alive today, he'd still be Dylan's opening act.
Quote from: LeanneP on Jul 17, 2013, 10:54 PM
Fuck, Tweedy, with Farrar et al, created a modern genre!
They rode the alt-country second-wave more than created the genre. The pioneers of the genre are from the '80s: The Jayhawks, Cowboy Junkies and others. It gets kinda blurry with reference to history and timeframe I think because the music made back then remains so fresh.
I very much admire My Morning Jacket for opening up the shows. For the following reasons:
first - eveidently they are confident enough to play first, second, third or where ever they can fit in. In addition, I like to think that it was nice of Wilco and Dylan to "Close for the Jacket" That's the way I look at it.
second - they've been touring their asses off the past couple of years and if you include Jim's solo shows, then they are certainly due for a long vacation, and not just one big holiday in Mexico, but a huge somewhere out of the way vacation. So playing earlier unfortunately, makes their time on stage shorter. I told my friend who was seeing them for the first time at Toyota park that the set list was more like one of thier encore sets. All this being said, maybe they like chilling out a bit after their set and checking out the venue, people, fans etc.
third - set list duration...yep Wilco's was longer, but I was in the pit for MMJ and to me even if they play one song, it's worth seeing them. I don't feel like I got gypped, because in the past - especially Forecastle last year - I got to see them play for the better part of 3 hours. They would never intentionally gyp any fans. They are truly a giving band. They give so much of themselves to their fans that I hope that we all know that if it's one song or a hunred songs by them (my miracle wish) they're the band to see, they are the band to hear and they are the band that gives energy to their fans who in return sends it right back at them right Jim, Carl, Pat, Bo and Tommy? You get what you give. I get so much happiness from them such a righteous musical feeling that it is hard to put into words. Their music moves my soul.
fourth - What can I say? I love them and I'll go see any and all shows that I can. So I can't be pissed at them but bummed a little that they couldn't play a killer 3 hour show.
I love this topic, because I felt the same way at first and had a real attitude because MMJ was opening for Wilco. In the ATL the MMJ set was great but then Wilco came on and I was like daaaaaayaaaam. Never been a big Wilco fan, but I get it now. I get it.
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Breaking news, but MMJ are not the opening act; Richard Thompson or Bob Weir are.
Quote from: Jaimoe on Jul 21, 2013, 12:40 PM
Breaking news, but MMJ are not the opening act; Richard Thompson or Bob Weir are.
Let's not forget the easy on the eyes and talented Ryan Bingham.
do we know what time mmj has been hitting the stage at these shows?
Yes.
Quote from: bartel on Jul 17, 2013, 04:31 PM
wilco will never open for MMJ.. I love MMJ but wilco have a bigger legacy, more classic albums and a larger fan base. Wilco can fill larger venues than MMJ.
This is an interesting topic. I actually really like both bands, but admit to being a MMJ homer. I have seen both bands at similar venues, drawing similar crowds. That said, I saw MMJ at Madison Square Garden a few years ago, Wilco could never play a venue that large. I know that may have just been a one time thing, but is worth noting......
Quote from: mynameiscurt on Jul 22, 2013, 11:17 AM
Quote from: bartel on Jul 17, 2013, 04:31 PM
wilco will never open for MMJ.. I love MMJ but wilco have a bigger legacy, more classic albums and a larger fan base. Wilco can fill larger venues than MMJ.
Wilco could never play a venue that large.
They could. Whether they choose to or not, that's another thing. Wilco are a lot bigger, not sure how this is even a question. Agree with bartel above..
Quote from: Jaimoe on Jul 21, 2013, 12:40 PM
Breaking news, but MMJ are not the opening act; Richard Thompson or Bob Weir are.
Duh...........just saying..........in fact I watched Richard Thompson and he was great. But most people did not even enter the venue that I went to until MMJ was playing.
THANKS for the breaking news :shocked:
Quote from: pattilovesmmj on Jul 22, 2013, 12:45 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Jul 21, 2013, 12:40 PM
Breaking news, but MMJ are not the opening act; Richard Thompson or Bob Weir are.
Duh...........just saying..........in fact I watched Richard Thompson and he was great. But most people did not even enter the venue that I went to until MMJ was playing.
THANKS for the breaking news :shocked:
Sarcastic breaking news. He's a legend and continually gets overlooked on this tour (as does his legacy overall), partly because of his impossibly early start time.
Quote from: mynameiscurt on Jul 22, 2013, 11:17 AM
Quote from: bartel on Jul 17, 2013, 04:31 PM
wilco will never open for MMJ.. I love MMJ but wilco have a bigger legacy, more classic albums and a larger fan base. Wilco can fill larger venues than MMJ.
This is an interesting topic. I actually really like both bands, but admit to being a MMJ homer. I have seen both bands at similar venues, drawing similar crowds. That said, I saw MMJ at Madison Square Garden a few years ago, Wilco could never play a venue that large. I know that may have just been a one time thing, but is worth noting......
That's not true, Wilco has played Madison Square Garden before. It was a NYE show and I think The Flaming Lips opened for them. I'm not sure if they've played MSG since but to say they could never play a venue that large is false.
For a long time Wilco was my favorite band. Then I finally started going to MMJ shows and I now have a new number one.
Quote from: Angelo on Jul 22, 2013, 03:51 PM
Quote from: mynameiscurt on Jul 22, 2013, 11:17 AM
Quote from: bartel on Jul 17, 2013, 04:31 PM
wilco will never open for MMJ.. I love MMJ but wilco have a bigger legacy, more classic albums and a larger fan base. Wilco can fill larger venues than MMJ.
This is an interesting topic. I actually really like both bands, but admit to being a MMJ homer. I have seen both bands at similar venues, drawing similar crowds. That said, I saw MMJ at Madison Square Garden a few years ago, Wilco could never play a venue that large. I know that may have just been a one time thing, but is worth noting......
That's not true, Wilco has played Madison Square Garden before. It was a NYE show and I think The Flaming Lips opened for them. I'm not sure if they've played MSG since but to say they could never play a venue that large is false.
For a long time Wilco was my favorite band. Then I finally started going to MMJ shows and I now have a new number one.
yeah wilco have played bigger venues and have a larger fanbase. but that doesn't mean that they are a better band. I love both bands it's no big deal.
Quote from: Angelo on Jul 22, 2013, 03:51 PM
Quote from: mynameiscurt on Jul 22, 2013, 11:17 AM
Quote from: bartel on Jul 17, 2013, 04:31 PM
wilco will never open for MMJ.. I love MMJ but wilco have a bigger legacy, more classic albums and a larger fan base. Wilco can fill larger venues than MMJ.
This is an interesting topic. I actually really like both bands, but admit to being a MMJ homer. I have seen both bands at similar venues, drawing similar crowds. That said, I saw MMJ at Madison Square Garden a few years ago, Wilco could never play a venue that large. I know that may have just been a one time thing, but is worth noting......
That's not true, Wilco has played Madison Square Garden before. It was a NYE show and I think The Flaming Lips opened for them. I'm not sure if they've played MSG since but to say they could never play a venue that large is false.
You're right. It was 12/31/04. I went to the show. It was Wilco/Flaming Lips/Sleater-Kinney and was a great show.
Quote from: Tired Eyes on Jul 22, 2013, 07:43 PM
You're right. It was 12/31/04. I went to the show. It was Wilco/Flaming Lips/Sleater-Kinney and was a great show.
I was there too, Bill. Great shows by all 3 bands.
I thought people would find this interesting in light of the conversation: How Wilco's Jeff Tweedy learned to grow up and start firing his friends (http://www.chicagogrid.com/features/wilcos-jeff-tweedy-learned-grow-start-firing-friends/).
Quote from: Jaimoe on Jul 18, 2013, 08:05 AM
Look at it this way, if Jimi Hendrix were alive today, he'd still be Dylan's opening act.
Let's not get hysterical here.
Quote from: Colfax on Jul 30, 2013, 06:04 PM
Quote from: Jaimoe on Jul 18, 2013, 08:05 AM
Look at it this way, if Jimi Hendrix were alive today, he'd still be Dylan's opening act.
Let's not get hysterical here.
With Dylan's tremendous ego and legion of admirers, including Jimi, he'd never be anyone's support act, and you know it (Hendrix is one of my heroes and Dylan is not).
Dylan supported the Grateful Dead in 1995. Sorry, not tryin to piss in your cheerios. I just like to talk music.
Quote from: Colfax on Aug 03, 2013, 01:00 PM
Dylan supported the Grateful Dead in 1995. Sorry, not tryin to piss in your cheerios. I just like to talk music.
that's probably why Bob Weir opened for part of the tour!
Quote from: MrWhippy on Jul 22, 2013, 08:20 PM
Quote from: Tired Eyes on Jul 22, 2013, 07:43 PM
You're right. It was 12/31/04. I went to the show. It was Wilco/Flaming Lips/Sleater-Kinney and was a great show.
I was there too, Bill. Great shows by all 3 bands.
I have the print from that show with the champagne glass.
I saw wilco open for Neil in 2008 at MSG. Does that count??