im gonna go ahead and say what weve all been thinking, why has Jim, this mastermind of music, suddenly seemed bored on stage? Someone that used to rock the f**k out has turned stiff.
i mean i get that he has had back issues, but look like youre enjoying it!! i love this band as much as anyone else and it honestly hurts me that when they are gaining more and more fans he doesnt show as much love for his music and the fans at shows as he used to. AT LEAST SMILE!!
that being said, he still rocks out every SINGLE show and the music is flawless. I have also noticed Carl putting more and more energy into each show
Sorry but I dont see it that way....
I wont disagree that movement might be a little more restricted, but I cannot agree with the statements "suddenly seemed bored on stage" and "but look like youre enjoying it!".
This is a guy that can pretty much write his own ticket in playing with others, he's in MMJ cause he loves it, and I honestly think the day he dosent he'd walk.
I didn't see him not giving 100% and I was at OBH I and II Chi and MPLS. Is it the same as 5 years ago with flying around the stage? nope, is he giving everything hes got? in my opinion, no question.
Quote from: Bulldog on Sep 17, 2015, 10:08 PM
Sorry but I dont see it that way....
I wont disagree that movement might be a little more restricted, but I cannot agree with the statements "suddenly seemed bored on stage" and "but look like youre enjoying it!".
This is a guy that can pretty much write his own ticket in playing with others, he's in MMJ cause he loves it, and I honestly think the day he dosent he'd walk.
I didn't see him not giving 100% and I was at OBH I and II Chi and MPLS. Is it the same as 5 years ago with flying around the stage? nope, is he giving everything hes got? in my opinion, no question.
i hear ya! my post might have sounded harsh but just my opinion. doesnt mean i dont absolutely love everything about this band
id like to hear others thoughts on this!
While i would agree that he has a diffrrent demeanor these days, i dont think it is due to him not being into it. Like the previous poster said, i also fully believe that if he grows tired of the jacket he will walk away from it before he allows himself to go through the motions for too long.
You could say that he looks a little disengaged emotionally at times, but you could also call that dialed in and focused on his musicianship. When i first heard about his back issues i thought "this will restrict his movements but it wont restrict his energy (which seems to be massive).". And i felt that his energy would manifest itself in other ways, like singing or soloing. For the most part, i feel that i did see this on this past tour especially on songs like Spring and Compound where he isnt really moving much yet there is an explosion happening where he is standing.
I dont think it's anything to be worried about, just Jim getting older and all of the things that come with that (good and bad, mostly good).
so far this tour I have only been to Forecastle and listened to a recording of Red Rocks.
He seemed damn happy to be at both!!
Just because he doesn't have a big grin on stage doesn't mean he's not loving it... He has much more subtlety to his emotions than most rock stars. Listen to him getting the whole crowd to meditate and chant Ommmmm with him at Red Rocks and tell me he's bored!
Jim could be playing from a wheelchair for all I care, as long as his axework is as precise and thrilling as it has been this tour! What he lacks in frantic stage movement, he makes up for by playing the best guitar of his life, in my opinion.
Jim has led me to believe from things he's said in the past that he wants to do what he does for a LONG time. I think his back issues scared him and he's trying to "rest" as much a possible this tour. I think it's probably killing him that he can't continue to "rock out". He's even made changes to the way he sings and the setlist (No Twilight!) to help save his voice for the long haul.
jcc, I'm gong to guess you are young and don't have old folks issues like me and Jim. ;)
Quote from: BH on Sep 18, 2015, 02:43 PM
Jim has led me to believe from things he's said in the past that he wants to do what he does for a LONG time. I think his back issues scared him and he's trying to "rest" as much a possible this tour. I think it's probably killing him that he can't continue to "rock out". He's even made changes to the way he sings and the setlist (No Twilight!) to help save his voice for the long haul.
jcc, I'm gong to guess you are young and don't have old folks issues like me and Jim. ;)
youre correct [emoji16]
Quote from: BH on Sep 18, 2015, 02:43 PM
jcc, I'm gong to guess you are young and don't have old folks issues like me and Jim. ;)
LOL BH! I was going to say, he is 37. Your body just doesn't recover quite as quickly as it did when you were still a spritely 20 something. Hell, I look back fondly on the days I could party like a rock star! And now that I'm in my 40's when I try to do that, I'm paying for it for at least 2 days... :cheesy: :beer:
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Quote from: BH on Sep 18, 2015, 02:43 PM
jcc, I'm gong to guess you are young and don't have old folks issues like me and Jim. ;)
LOL BH! I was going to say, he is 37. Your body just doesn't recover quite as quickly as it did when you were still a spritely 20 something. Hell, I look back fondly on the days I could party like a rock star! And now that I'm in my 40's when I try to do that, I'm paying for it for at least 2 days... :cheesy: :beer:
Yup - it's those damn two day hangovers / recovery period that really impacts how much you [arty like a rock star!!
The older I get, the better I was.
Quote from: jcc0065 on Sep 17, 2015, 10:44 PM
id like to hear others thoughts on this!
I had the same feeling at the show in Cologne, they played an awesome and great set but I also had the feeling that Jim was not as enthusiastic as he used to be. Also I found it odd that he did not address the audience even once. It was my third MMJ concert and it is something me and my friends at the concerts have noticed....
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Quote from: jcc0065 on Sep 17, 2015, 10:44 PM
id like to hear others thoughts on this!
I had the same feeling at the show in Cologne, they played an awesome and great set but I also had the feeling that Jim was not as enthusiastic as he used to be. Also I found it odd that he did not address the audience even once. It was my third MMJ concert and it is something me and my friends at the concerts have noticed....
yeah it just honestly seems like to me hes taken waaaaay too much acid. not just cause hes getting old. he was tripping way too hard during that red rocks performance, it was obvious, and at times uncomfortable (encore)
Quote from: Mr. White on Sep 19, 2015, 01:02 PM
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Quote from: jcc0065 on Sep 17, 2015, 10:44 PM
id like to hear others thoughts on this!
I had the same feeling at the show in Cologne, they played an awesome and great set but I also had the feeling that Jim was not as enthusiastic as he used to be. Also I found it odd that he did not address the audience even once. It was my third MMJ concert and it is something me and my friends at the concerts have noticed....
yeah it just honestly seems like to me hes taken waaaaay too much acid. not just cause hes getting old. he was tripping way too hard during that red rocks performance, it was obvious, and at times uncomfortable (encore)
I do not agree with your last assumption at all!
haha to each his own opinion! my friends and i all thought he was tripping pretty hard. hes still playing killer guitar and everything but these are just my thoughts
Quote from: Mr. White on Sep 19, 2015, 01:26 PM
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Quote from: Mr. White on Sep 19, 2015, 01:02 PM
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Quote from: jcc0065 on Sep 17, 2015, 10:44 PM
id like to hear others thoughts on this!
I had the same feeling at the show in Cologne, they played an awesome and great set but I also had the feeling that Jim was not as enthusiastic as he used to be. Also I found it odd that he did not address the audience even once. It was my third MMJ concert and it is something me and my friends at the concerts have noticed....
yeah it just honestly seems like to me hes taken waaaaay too much acid. not just cause hes getting old. he was tripping way too hard during that red rocks performance, it was obvious, and at times uncomfortable (encore)
I do not agree with your last assumption at all!
haha to each his own opinion! my friends and i all thought he was tripping pretty hard. hes still playing killer guitar and everything but these are just my thoughts
Not really...You're assumption is painting Jim as some sort of "Acid Head", which he is not. He has admitted that he has experimented with mind altering substances (including LSD and more perhaps) and has even stated that everybody should have at least one mind opening experience with these substances (Rolling Stone interview from a year or two ago), but saying he has "taken waaaaay too much acid" is inflammatory and assuming way too much...in my acid taking informed opinion. Maybe you have taken waaaaay too much acid and can't connect subliminally to what Jim is putting out with the overall vibe of his stage presence and his band's awesome show(s)...maybe...
for an old man you sure have "waaaay" too much hostility. chill out. just a topic on a forum
Quote from: Mr. White on Sep 19, 2015, 09:22 PM
Let me get this straight. You think I'm being "waaaaay" too hostile, need to "chill out", and need to go easy in my replies to your post(s) because I am calling you out on your attacks on Jim where you are implying that he is an "Acid Head" or "A Burn-Out" or exactly as you stated it, "Yeah it just honestly seems like to me he's taken waaaaay too much acid. Not just cause he's getting old. He was tripping way too hard during that red rocks performance, it was obvious, and at times uncomfortable". You're saying this because you feel this to be true and because your friends agree...I'm I right about that, this is correct, and you're sticking with your story, am I right? Just 4 days ago in another thread that had almost 40 minutes of actual audio of Jim being interviewed by Hiss Golden Messenger's lead singer about the song writing process, you stated the following, "Sounds like ole Jimmy has been indulged (ing) in a little bit too much DOSE this tour". Where do you get off jumping to THAT conclusion!? In the 39 minute interview, drugs were NEVER mentioned. The only thing I can find that you may have latched onto is the quote of Jim saying something to the effect of him feeling that at times he receives messages or inspiration (bits of songs or melodies) from "The Universe" or "God" or "Whatever you want to call it", and he tries to remember to record them into his phone, so he won't forget them. What was that assumption all about, if it wasn't you saying Jim is a "Burn-Out/Acid-Head"? Them there's fightin' words, in my book!
Lastly, what was that "dig/jab" at me personally all about when you said, "For an old man you sure have "waaaay" too much hostility. chill out. just a topic on a forum"?
I feel that was a bit...odd on your part. Maybe if you had seen a photo of me or knew what I looked like, you might have added, "For an old fat man...". For someone who has only been a member of this here almighty Forum for a mere 27 days, you seem to be the one who is a bit too "hostile" and might need to "chill out"...or at least show some respect to your elders...Jim included.
im simply stating things that ive noticed....this is THAT serious to you isnt it? the fact of the matter is that jim has changed, especially this tour. if you dont see that youre just ignorant. that doesnt mean its a worse show or sounds worse. i listen to this band 24/7 and have nothing but amazing things to say, theres nothing wrong with me stating my opinions (that many people also agree with) is there? geez man, lay off the internet harrasment and enjoy the music. sending good vibes your way
JCC0065, I assume you're a troll. I assume you're the type of troll that doesn't go around the internet finding random topics and goading people into discussions and I think you're a real MMJ fan but I think you wrote in a certain way in order to elicit a response.
If I'm wrong and you actually thought that something good would come about from writing in a juvenile fashion that could be because (and I really don't mean this as an insult) a lack of education or, perhaps (playing armchair psychologist for a moment) too many hallucinogens and/or opiates that had a numbing effect on what was once a vibrant and active brain that resulted in major projections on Jim.
I think its important to point out that I actually agree with your lack-of-energy assessment and feel that those who do not sense it are being overly optimistic. The problem here lies in
A) Your adolescence/immaturity in not even attempting to discuss this with Mr White civilly (I would call it an ad hominem attack but I feel that it was so unsophisticated that it shouldn't be described in terms that give it any sort of legitimacy).
B) Equally as important your pinpointing Jim's lack of energy on taking too much of a specific drug. One, I might add, that has very different effects on different people. A robust discussion could have ensued had you asked "I know Jim had that whole back pain thing but does anyone see tell-tale signs of drug use that might be contributing towards lesser energy? I have seen buddies that after years of heavy acid use that have a certain lethargy that I see in him. Maybe I'm crazy and its just the fact that he's approaching 40..."
I LOVE stories of rockers' drug use and though I don't think this forum is at all a good forum to attach a google footprint to a lurid tale I would love to hear stories of someone who has first-hand knowledge of any of the guys' current or past drug use. But I think its obvious that, to be blunt, you know absolutely nothing (in terms of first-hand knowledge) would be approaching would in defamation law would be deemed a "reckless disregard for the truth." (I'm aware that you're just conjecturing but with barely any evidence/proof/articulated rationale behind your assessment you come off as a fool. Not sayin' you ARE a fool but one loses legitimacy among this crowd when one acts like a child).
i just dont understand why there is argument over this topic!!! i didnt mean to offend anybody nor did i expect it to happen whatsoever. sorry, guys
I actually have had the Hiss Golden Messenger interview open in my browser since JCC mentioned it because I thought that there would be some big REVEAL in which Jim, ya know, collapses or something mid-interview or speaks gibberish for 2 straight minutes. I'm glad to know that you invested the time and found nothing (the sound bytes you mentioned sound like very typical Jim-isms so much so that they move prove the point that his behavior/tone/style is pretty consistent).
Also even if someone could prove that his acid intake was up they would still have no idea how that links in to his (perceived) lack of energy. He's one of the busiest men in music and to burn out at some point is almost inevitable. Maybe he did already, maybe not, maybe he will need a psychological relaxation period for 2 years after the Beacon shows conclude. The most important thing is that very few people have insight into this and those that do are surely not discussing it in this venue. I'm just pretty amazed how reckless and shortsighted it was to make this 1:1 no-alternatives-are-possible causation.
Quote from: Mr. White on Sep 20, 2015, 12:16 AM
Quote from: dontgetupset on Sep 19, 2015, 11:56 PM
JCC0065, I assume you're a troll. I assume you're the type of troll that doesn't go around the internet finding random topics and goading people into discussions and I think you're a real MMJ fan but I think you wrote in a certain way in order to elicit a response.
If I'm wrong and you actually thought that something good would come about from writing in a juvenile fashion that could be because (and I really don't mean this as an insult) a lack of education or, perhaps (playing armchair psychologist for a moment) too many hallucinogens and/or opiates that had a numbing effect on what was once a vibrant and active brain that resulted in major projections on Jim.
I think its important to point out that I actually agree with your lack-of-energy assessment and feel that those who do not sense it are being overly optimistic. The problem here lies in
A) Your adolescence/immaturity in not even attempting to discuss this with Mr White civilly (I would call it an ad hominem attack but I feel that it was so unsophisticated that it shouldn't be described in terms that give it any sort of legitimacy).
B) Equally as important your pinpointing Jim's lack of energy on taking too much of a specific drug. One, I might add, that has very different effects on different people. A robust discussion could have ensued had you asked "I know Jim had that whole back pain thing but does anyone see tell-tale signs of drug use that might be contributing towards lesser energy? I have seen buddies that after years of heavy acid use that have a certain lethargy that I see in him. Maybe I'm crazy and its just the fact that he's approaching 40..."
I LOVE stories of rockers' drug use and though I don't think this forum is at all a good forum to attach a google footprint to a lurid tale I would love to hear stories of someone who has first-hand knowledge of any of the guys' current or past drug use. But I think its obvious that, to be blunt, you know absolutely nothing (in terms of first-hand knowledge) would be approaching would in defamation law would be deemed a "reckless disregard for the truth." (I'm aware that you're just conjecturing but with barely any evidence/proof/articulated rationale behind your assessment you come off as a fool. Not sayin' you ARE a fool but one loses legitimacy among this crowd when one acts like a child).
Thanks, dontgetupset. I thought I was all alone and was going crazy there for a moment. Good to see otherwise!
i think i just misunderstood your response when i said "to each his own opinion!" trying to be nice and you just said "not really....."....it just sounded like you were attacking me. i apologize
Anyway, Jim doesn't even drink before a show and he certainly isn't tripping.
Quote from: Rex on Sep 20, 2015, 08:31 AM
Anyway, Jim doesn't even drink before a show and he certainly isn't tripping.
I agree, these guys are professionals... Now I will say OBH 2, Jim was drunk as hell, though that may have been due to Connor Oberst being there and them and Band of Horses partying together like old friends celebrating a reunion. But other than that, these guys take their stage craft and performances very seriously.
I remember reading or hearing in an interview they were saying while recording the waterfall they'd smoke a J and take walks along the beach, but that seems like a pretty normal thing to do.
My input on the matter is this, I think you are right in that Jim has changed a bit. He went through a seriously debilitating back injury (that will change anyone) and dealt with heart ache. In interviews recently, he does seem to be in a darker place and maybe even a bit jaded/burnt out. However, as far as him not moving around, I think he is being cautious as they have a very long tour.
I mean this is a guy who eats vegan for breakfast (I forget where the article is that shows his morning routine) and takes care of his body as much as he can. He is still recovering from an injury we don't know how serious it is. I don't think he'll ever go back to how he was in his 20's and that's ok. What I have noticed is that during shows he tends to loosen up a lot.
Most importantly, he is playing and singing better than he has in years and that goes for the rest of the band. They are on fire right now. So if that means they have to "sacrifice" bouncing around on stage, I am ok with that.
I got to 6 shows (Red Rocks included) over the summer, and while the lack of mobility was noticeable (even in comparison to the last tour and solo tour), I'm going to assume it has to do with the back issues that were mentioned.
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Quote from: Rex on Sep 20, 2015, 08:31 AM
Anyway, Jim doesn't even drink before a show and he certainly isn't tripping.
I agree, these guys are professionals... Now I will say OBH 2, Jim was drunk as hell, though that may have been due to Connor Oberst being there and them and Band of Horses partying together like old friends celebrating a reunion. But other than that, these guys take their stage craft and performances very seriously.
I remember reading or hearing in an interview they were saying while recording the waterfall they'd smoke a J and take walks along the beach, but that seems like a pretty normal thing to do.
My input on the matter is this, I think you are right in that Jim has changed a bit. He went through a seriously debilitating back injury (that will change anyone) and dealt with heart ache. In interviews recently, he does seem to be in a darker place and maybe even a bit jaded/burnt out. However, as far as him not moving around, I think he is being cautious as they have a very long tour.
I mean this is a guy who eats vegan for breakfast (I forget where the article is that shows his morning routine) and takes care of his body as much as he can. He is still recovering from an injury we don't know how serious it is. I don't think he'll ever go back to how he was in his 20's and that's ok. What I have noticed is that during shows he tends to loosen up a lot.
Most importantly, he is playing and singing better than he has in years and that goes for the rest of the band. They are on fire right now. So if that means they have to "sacrifice" bouncing around on stage, I am ok with that.
very well said!
safe to say that everything is back to OK in the sandbox, people?
Based on everything said above and my own observations, I agree that Jim is sticking closer to his padded square on the stage - and for very good reason. He had back surgery a year ago and it still hurts! I'm speaking from experience with back pain and also from first-hand experience watching him this year (OBH2, Waterfall in L'ville, Boston, Forecastle, Artpark and Red Rocks).
I have my own theories about the new jacket (flowing to hide the brace under his vest) and the glasses (he's laser focused on new lyrics and arrangements). He's a fucking professional, people.
And not for nothing, I was front row under Jim at OBH, Headliners and Red Rocks and he not only smiled a ton at his band mates, he also threw a few my way while he was playing. (this may be partly because I was rocking out with Erica Moore, but that's another story for another day).
and the biggest point I'd like to make - and hopefully without insulting our new friend - is that Red Rocks was a Coda moment for the band and they knew it. They had the most preeminent concert photographer in the world in Danny Clinch capturing every sound and move - with the backdrop of the show becoming the next Okonokos (and timestamp for Jacket 3.0). This being said, Jim was obviously not tripping balls - just a tight back and biggest show of the year.
Move on people! I GET 11 MORE SHOWS IN THE NEXT 9 WEEKS!!!!
Quote from: millerjustin on Sep 21, 2015, 03:25 PM
safe to say that everything is back to OK in the sandbox, people?
Based on everything said above and my own observations, I agree that Jim is sticking closer to his padded square on the stage - and for very good reason. He had back surgery a year ago and it still hurts! I'm speaking from experience with back pain and also from first-hand experience watching him this year (OBH2, Waterfall in L'ville, Boston, Forecastle, Artpark and Red Rocks).
I have my own theories about the new jacket (flowing to hide the brace under his vest) and the glasses (he's laser focused on new lyrics and arrangements). He's a fucking professional, people.
And not for nothing, I was front row under Jim at OBH, Headliners and Red Rocks and he not only smiled a ton at his band mates, he also threw a few my way while he was playing. (this may be partly because I was rocking out with Erica Moore, but that's another story for another day).
and the biggest point I'd like to make - and hopefully without insulting our new friend - is that Red Rocks was a Coda moment for the band and they knew it. They had the most preeminent concert photographer in the world in Danny Clinch capturing every sound and move - with the backdrop of the show becoming the next Okonokos (and timestamp for Jacket 3.0). This being said, Jim was obviously not tripping balls - just a tight back and biggest show of the year.
Move on people! I GET 11 MORE SHOWS IN THE NEXT 9 WEEKS!!!!
I met Erica through twitter and in person in Atlanta! really awesome and genuine person
Quote from: millerjustin on Sep 21, 2015, 03:25 PM
safe to say that everything is back to OK in the sandbox, people?
You'll never get all the cat poop out of the sandbox :)
I've been up close a few times over the summer and never noticed a back brace. I did notice Jim's eyes were open more than in past tours. So I thought the sunglasses were more to hide his open eyes so that he can freely look around the venue or the fans without people knowing he is looking at them.
I feel also that besides nixing his jumping on and off of the drum riser, Jim has been moving quite a bit especially when without a guitar in hand.
Even hinting that he's tripping too hard on acid is the stupidest thing I've ever read.
holy shit what a thread hahahah Mr. White you're an AWESOME old man :thumbsup: :smiley: :beer: and dontgetupset, that was a fucking perfect rebuttal.
I wonder how, JCC, you'd feel if we were all speculating about your drug use. That the whole topic was written while you were engaging in your nightly heroin rituals where you listen to only 20 songs, not 30 anymore, because YOU'VE changed man, you're NOT the same! You're absolutely on smack because of the sun glasses, bro :cool:
Jim and Bo ARE TOOOOOTALLY SHOOTING UP JUNKIES! I've seen Jim's ass cheek before and I saw the track marks...Seriously Braaaaa :rolleyes: :wink:
And insulting people who happen to be some of my favorite people (Mr. White) on this forum or anywhere in humanity, and trying to do it with internet-idiot-savant-"subtlety" by saying "old man"? Like what?
JCC welcome aboard but Jesus man, this band probably does or did drugs but fuck...they're not in their 20s. Jim has a right to be more than angry about how the industry has changed and how self sufficient they have to be financially and how much their bodies have to be on that line to tour, to feed their families first of all, let alone feed their tour crew's families and them...like MMJ are getting bigger by the day and I've been absolutely god-fucked to have watched their evolution from since I first got into them in April 2004 to now and see what heights they've been to....I mean even the major ones off of my head are astounding: Red Rocks 2012, Red Rocks 2015, KFC 2010, Terminal 5 2010, the costume intro to Voodoo 2010, Bonnaroo 2008, Bonnaroo 2006, 2006 NYE @ Fillmore (THANK YOU JOHNNYYAC!!!), NYE 2008, UNSTAGED 2011, OKONOKOS @ Fillmore 2005, Lebowski Fest 2004....maybe they were on drugs, probably, maybe they werent all the time, maybe they were just high some of the time. Maybe Patrick and Bo snort coke onstage in their towels like Aerosmith? Maybe Jim James smoked a bong on a camel once? Maybe he took SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much acid he told the audience to "feel the love" and how he would "say a prayer to the universe"?
What a crazy bunch of drug fiends!!! These MMJ bastards! I'm calling Narcotics Anonymous! :rolleyes: :wink:
hopefully my satire isnt lost on anyone :beer:
WELCOME TO THE MOTHERFUCKIN SANDBOX JCC! :evil:
I thought sticky was banned?
Should have popped some popcorn before reading this thread!
Quote from: millerjustin on Sep 21, 2015, 03:25 PM
safe to say that everything is back to OK in the sandbox, people?
Based on everything said above and my own observations, I agree that Jim is sticking closer to his padded square on the stage - and for very good reason. He had back surgery a year ago and it still hurts! I'm speaking from experience with back pain and also from first-hand experience watching him this year (OBH2, Waterfall in L'ville, Boston, Forecastle, Artpark and Red Rocks).
I have my own theories about the new jacket (flowing to hide the brace under his vest) and the glasses (he's laser focused on new lyrics and arrangements). He's a fucking professional, people.
And not for nothing, I was front row under Jim at OBH, Headliners and Red Rocks and he not only smiled a ton at his band mates, he also threw a few my way while he was playing. (this may be partly because I was rocking out with Erica Moore, but that's another story for another day).
and the biggest point I'd like to make - and hopefully without insulting our new friend - is that Red Rocks was a Coda moment for the band and they knew it. They had the most preeminent concert photographer in the world in Danny Clinch capturing every sound and move - with the backdrop of the show becoming the next Okonokos (and timestamp for Jacket 3.0). This being said, Jim was obviously not tripping balls - just a tight back and biggest show of the year.
Move on people! I GET 11 MORE SHOWS IN THE NEXT 9 WEEKS!!!!
stop being reasonable! it's obvious jim has fried his mind with lsd!
in the 10 years i've been posting here this is easily the worst thread i've come across.
Has nobody considered the fact that maybe Jim just wants to up his "mystique" factor for this tour? The sunglasses, the cooler demeanor on stage, the lessening of audience chatting... I think he just wants to let the music do the talking on this tour.
But also, I have no idea, neither do any of you, so who gives a shit. The shows have all been amazing.
Quote from: buster douglas on Sep 25, 2015, 01:19 PM
Has nobody considered the fact that maybe Jim just wants to up his "mystique" factor for this tour? The sunglasses, the cooler demeanor on stage, the lessening of audience chatting... I think he just wants to let the music do the talking on this tour.
But also, I have no idea, neither do any of you, so who gives a shit. The shows have all been amazing.
exactly. who gives a shit
Quote from: jcc0065 on Sep 26, 2015, 12:21 AM
Quote from: buster douglas on Sep 25, 2015, 01:19 PM
Has nobody considered the fact that maybe Jim just wants to up his "mystique" factor for this tour? The sunglasses, the cooler demeanor on stage, the lessening of audience chatting... I think he just wants to let the music do the talking on this tour.
But also, I have no idea, neither do any of you, so who gives a shit. The shows have all been amazing.
exactly. who gives a shit
what a perfect and Circuital ending. (yes I went there)
Quote from: parkervb on Sep 28, 2015, 03:43 PM
Quote from: jcc0065 on Sep 26, 2015, 12:21 AM
Quote from: buster douglas on Sep 25, 2015, 01:19 PM
Has nobody considered the fact that maybe Jim just wants to up his "mystique" factor for this tour? The sunglasses, the cooler demeanor on stage, the lessening of audience chatting... I think he just wants to let the music do the talking on this tour.
But also, I have no idea, neither do any of you, so who gives a shit. The shows have all been amazing.
exactly. who gives a shit
what a perfect and Circuital ending. (yes I went there)
HAHAHAHAH
To anyone complaining about Jim changing, please reference 13:28 - 14:00 in this video:
everything changes....... everything changes........ everything changes.......Jim's gonna do what Jim wants to do... we are all lucky enough to sit back and enjoy the ride!
I imagine if Jim ended up having to get surgery for his back then he's probably doing everything he can to make sure he doesn't make it worse - he seems a bit health conscious anyway. I have two herniated discs and even with it not being bad enough to require surgery it gives me hell a LOT. Just standing up near the front in Austin for a couple of hours had my back hurting like hell for the rest of the night. A guy I worked with had to have surgery for his and it still didn't fix it completely, so I can't imagine what Jim has to put up with. And it won't get better as he gets older. I doubt a doctor would recommend an extensive tour after back surgery, even if he had some time to recover beforehand.
I think it's a combination of his back and the mystique thing as previously mentioned. I'd hazard a guess he was told to take it easy, no going crazy on stage like before, so you might as well make the most of it and work it to your benefit somehow.
As far as Jim changing over the years, I think we can all agree that he has become less mobile. Looking at videos as far back as 2003 Jim can be seen rocking and jamming his face off, which IN MY OPINION made Jacket's stage presence a little better than it is today. This behavior was even apparent up until he did his solo album. I know he has had back problems and he is also getting older, but his stage presence has changed over the years. Not to say I don't like the new mystical Jim, pretty cool idea if you ask me, but I hope some day we can see Jim like he used to be.
Now getting to the biggest opinion based part of this thread, Jim's drug use. In interviews Jim has mentioned smoking joints several time, so we know that is around. Now as far as acid and hallucinogens no one will ever really know what he has done unless he comes out and says so. Having previously watched all of Jacket's performances at Red Rocks I could find it is apparent that place has some sort of effect on the band as a whole, those shows seem to always be incredible. Now whether it is just the forces that converge at that one special place, or some substance, we will never know, but the shows at Red Rocks always make to seem the band have a different type of aura about them.
I look for what's new since the last time. There was a lot of ET one finger touches with the crowd, that was interesting.
Quote from: wcazcooper95 on Nov 06, 2015, 03:42 PM
As far as Jim changing over the years, I think we can all agree that he has become less mobile. Looking at videos as far back as 2003 Jim can be seen rocking and jamming his face off, which IN MY OPINION made Jacket's stage presence a little better than it is today. This behavior was even apparent up until he did his solo album. I know he has had back problems and he is also getting older, but his stage presence has changed over the years. Not to say I don't like the new mystical Jim, pretty cool idea if you ask me, but I hope some day we can see Jim like he used to be.
Now getting to the biggest opinion based part of this thread, Jim's drug use. In interviews Jim has mentioned smoking joints several time, so we know that is around. Now as far as acid and hallucinogens no one will ever really know what he has done unless he comes out and says so. Having previously watched all of Jacket's performances at Red Rocks I could find it is apparent that place has some sort of effect on the band as a whole, those shows seem to always be incredible. Now whether it is just the forces that converge at that one special place, or some substance, we will never know, but the shows at Red Rocks always make to seem the band have a different type of aura about them.
He has said before that drugs have been a part of their process (but not that they necessarily still are), and has told several stories about acid trips in his younger days... I wouldn't be surprised if some songs like "I Think I'm Going To Hell" were directly inspired by a trip.
Perhaps we will never know what substances, if any, their pre-show routine might include, but in my opinion they take their jobs very seriously and wouldn't risk getting too fucked up just to get on some other level... They can do that sober.
When I saw them at Bonnaroo this year I was 100% not sober, and was amazed- best feeling ever! But I was so convinced that they're magic without drugs that I went to see them again at Forecastle, this time 100% sober. Comparing the 2 shows, there was no doubt in my mind that MMJ sober was still a better high than any drug I've tried.
I'd like to think Jim and the boys feel the same way about playing together.
As for Jim liking weed... I was lucky enough to share a joint with him once upon a time so I can vouch for that :)
He also prefers tequila over bourbon... go figure
Why is this thread still open?